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Wade
Sorry if this has been posted before, but Byron Young saying it's a done deal.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/2...15875-21895870/

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Michael Schumacher's return to Formula 1 with Mercedes is a done deal, according to sources in Germany and UK


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And Michael Schumacher has terminated his (verbal) agreement to be an ambassador for Ferrari's road car division
salamin
QUOTE (Johny Bravo @ Dec 14 2009, 01:20) *
He could use a bit more time apparently.

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kyriakos75
QUOTE (Spa95 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:04) *
What James Allen said, maybe it's done to spark some kind of reaction (or fait accompli as he put it) by Ferrari or his existing sponsors.


I think James Allen doesn't seem to particularly like the idea of MS returning to action, and this affects his views on the matter.

In the meantime from the Bild article:

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Und verlor gegen eine Frau!

Im ersten Rennen des Tages fuhr Schumi von Startplatz 5 auf Rang 3. Aber gegen die Zweitplatzierte Holländerin Yvonne Buise (25) hatte er keine Chance.


So MS was defeated by 'Yvonne Buise' ? wink.gif
Buttoneer
QUOTE (kyriakos75 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:39) *
I think James Allen is simply in denial, because for unknown reasons he doesn't seem to like the idea of MS returning to action.

James Allen is a Ferrari nut who also wrote a biography of Schumacher. I find it hard to believe his dislike is born of anything other than his support for Schumacher or his legacy to the sport. At the very least a comeback gives him the opportunity to write a revised biography and make cash...

Maybe Schumacher can come back and be dynamite again - maybe not. Perhaps recent failed comebacks have caused Allen to be more concerned for the career of someone he greatly admires?
salamin
QUOTE (tkulla @ Dec 14 2009, 01:55) *
I think this is a hugely risky move by Schumacher if he does it. The one problem I've always had with him is that he's had #1 status in his teams, so we never really got to see just how good he was.

he always earned/deserved his #1 status, just look at what he has done with the mediocre ferrari team of the 90s

QUOTE (tkulla @ Dec 14 2009, 01:55) *
If he comes back and is beaten easily by Rosberg, that little tiny doubt that I have will grow, and it just might make me think that Schumacher's greatest skills were in the team politics arena and not the out on the racetrack.


come on, so you are telling us that the 7 times WC with 91 gp wins, is just an avarage driver with top-notch pollitic skills ?
as65p
The more I think about it, the more I like it.

Of course it will be fun in itself watching him drive, but the main benefit must be that "the owl" will be gone from the Ferrari pit wall fo good. clap.gif


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Galko877
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Dec 14 2009, 13:43) *
James Allen is a Ferrari nut who also wrote a biography of Schumacher. I find it hard to believe his dislike is born of anything other than his support for Schumacher or his legacy to the sport. At the very least a comeback gives him the opportunity to write a revised biography and make cash...

Maybe Schumacher can come back and be dynamite again - maybe not. Perhaps recent failed comebacks have caused Allen to be more concerned for the career of someone he greatly admires?



That's what I think too and I cannot say I don't share his concerns, but then again we live just once - what is past glory and reputation good for, if Michael is not happy sitting at home? He's had all the glory and hype, maybe he is not so concerned about his reputation any more? He just wants to race. I have my concerns too, but I also love this. And while I love Ferrari and I'm a bit sad that Michael will be out of "the family" now and probably he will never be back again, but I have to say I wasn't this excited in the summer when he was about to return with the Scuderia. He's been there, done that. But Mercedes and Michael - now, this is something new, something exciting. And also back to his roots at the same time.
salamin
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 14 2009, 11:57) *
That's what I think too and I cannot say I don't share his concerns, but then again we live just once - what is past glory and reputation good for, if Michael is not happy sitting at home? He's had all the glory and hype, maybe he is not so concerned about his reputation any more? He just wants to race. I have my concerns too, but I also love this. And while I love Ferrari and I'm a bit sad that Michael will be out of "the family" now and probably he will never be back again, but I have to say I wasn't this excited in the summer when he was about to return with the Scuderia. He's been there, done that. But Merceses and Michael - now, this is something new, something exciting. And also back to his roots at the same time.


exactly, and all that "he only can lose with his comeback" is simply bs, no one will take away his titles/gp wins.
the man should do what he was born to do, racing !
Group B
QUOTE (tkulla @ Dec 14 2009, 00:55) *
I think this is a hugely risky move by Schumacher if he does it. The one problem I've always had with him is that he's had #1 status in his teams, so we never really got to see just how good he was. I suspect he was very, very good, but that makes it even worse that he was so insecure that he couldn't risk having his teammates start on even footing. That said, the strategy worked and his statistics and records will likely never be surpassed.

If he comes back and is beaten easily by Rosberg, that little tiny doubt that I have will grow, and it just might make me think that Schumacher's greatest skills were in the team politics arena and not the out on the racetrack.

You don't get several different teams, over 15 years, bowing to your every demand unless you're bring something pretty special in return.
Group B
QUOTE (primer @ Dec 14 2009, 02:40) *
No there isn't.
But it is an old fact: James Allen is a cock.

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Anonymous


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Hairpin
QUOTE (dsfgdshg @ Dec 14 2009, 12:48) *


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He is taking a leak against a Mercedes? eek.gif
cheapracer
QUOTE (tkulla @ Dec 14 2009, 10:52) *
1/ Personally I place him in the league of Prost and Senna, which is high praise indeed. But because of his team building (the best ever at this) and control he never had to face a teammate on equal terms. This leaves a doubt to me about his dominance - mainly because it shows a certain level of insecurity from the man. Unnecessary insecurity, most likely.



2/ And I stand by my statement - this is risky for Schumacher if he does it. He and I are about the same age, and age dulls reactions around 40 just a bit.



1/ Cant agree Tony, there have been some incredibly fast drivers to grace F1 tracks, Mansell on his day possibly the fastest of all time but where did that get him without the very assets you list for MS? Not only was MS one of the group you call 'fastest' but his other assets including or even especially the ability to gain team favour is why he stands on his record today.

2/ I'm peeved about your 'age' statement, I'm going to have to give you a thrashing now, I'll just grab my glasses, finish my milk, put my hip brace on and then your in for it!
cheapracer
QUOTE (dsfgdshg @ Dec 14 2009, 19:48) *


Car need a wash? Let Karcher do the dirty work for you cool.gif up.gif
Rinehart
To the people saying it is risky of MS to comeback - as it will risk his reputation - what do you mean by that?

His reputation is what it is after 91 wins in F1. I can't see how anything is going to change that.

If he comes back now as an older guy and doesn't perform as he used to - are you going to be concluding 'oh, forget those 91 wins, he must have been shit after all'... or are you going to go with the altogether more plausible explanation that he's 'not as quick as he used to be' since stepping away and getting older?

How is the phenomenon of old age damaging to MS? I'm just not following the thinking here.
Frans
If he goes to Mercedes, Ferrari pays then a lot for that .... a lot!
KiloWatt
Aaaaaahhh!! Would they just announce it already?!!!!! I'm going slightly mad! I find mysel hanging on every damn word of evey damn rumour. And I HATE doing that! This is simply getting too much!

I apologise. I know it's a worthless post. But I can't bear this any longer... frown.gif
Arion
QUOTE (Rinehart @ Dec 14 2009, 13:06) *
His reputation is what it is after 91 wins in F1. I can't see how anything is going to change that.


A comeback can change that, he can win a few more races! lol.gif
robracer
QUOTE (tkulla @ Dec 14 2009, 00:55) *
If he comes back and is beaten easily by Rosberg, that little tiny doubt that I have will grow, and it just might make me think that Schumacher's greatest skills were in the team politics arena and not the out on the racetrack.


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Galko877
Bild: Schumacher meets Montezemolo this week to discuss his switch to Mercedes. According to "Auto, Motor und Sport" the meeting is just a formality. Domenicali and Ferrari have already OKed Schuey's switch and they won't try to prevent him from leaving.

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/telegramm/sp...t=10818568.html
Massa_f1
I bet Luca tries his best to put doubts in his mind though.
Anssi
It would be good for Alonso if Schumi goes away. He should have gone away already in 2006. Maybe it's me but I fail to see how Michael Schumacher has helped the Ferrari F1 team in 2007-2009 - in fact I think he has hurt them more than helped.

So yeah I think it's perfect for Alonso if Schumacher finally leaves the team for good.
Nuvol
@meeting with luca

And this is the way it should be done. I know it isnt smart business-wise but after all these great things he has done for ferrari. There wasnt other way but let him go to Mercedes.
Never liked Luca but Im glad he can be for once a human not a corporate dick.
Dodi_napalm
Luca: Alonso out, Schu in... - but "fat" chanse for that stoned.gif

Hope they will announce it this week.... the Rainmaster is back
as65p
QUOTE (Dodi_napalm @ Dec 14 2009, 14:42) *
Luca: Alonso out, Schu in... - but "fat" chanse for that stoned.gif

Hope they will announce it this week.... the Rainmaster is back


If they make a switch and Alonso get's the Mercedes seat I wouldn't mind smile.gif

Otherwise I agree with Anssi.
salamin
according to motorsport-total schumacher said himself that he's not intrested in money, and he's talking to Ross on a daily basis
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (Frans @ Dec 14 2009, 05:09) *
If he goes to Mercedes, Ferrari pays then a lot for that .... a lot!

I'm sorry what?????

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BUT you have guaranteed us that he will never drive in F1 ever again....???

Rumour has it that it could be as much as $20m USD from Merc to get Schumacher with MS meeting this week with LDM to get the green light from him, out of respect to Ferrari.

Done deal I reckon.....Schumacher back in F1 for 2010.... up.gif Great news for the sport!
le chat noir
James Allen Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

I’m beginning to realise that this is true. Schumacher is coming back. Incredible
klover
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 14 2009, 13:41) *
It would be good for Alonso if Schumi goes away. He should have gone away already in 2006. Maybe it's me but I fail to see how Michael Schumacher has helped the Ferrari F1 team in 2007-2009 - in fact I think he has hurt them more than helped.

So yeah I think it's perfect for Alonso if Schumacher finally leaves the team for good.

He helped Massa, alright.
beancounter
If he really does come back i might actually have a reason to watch f1 next season love.gif
Now here's hoping the Kimi/Redbull connection pans out as rumoured so we might have two actual racers in f1 2011. Woohoo. Hamilton is a balls to the wall driver too but he's far too much of a mediawhore to actually support... biggrin.gif
craftverk
QUOTE (beancounter @ Dec 14 2009, 14:29) *
If he really does come back i might actually have a reason to watch f1 next season love.gif
Now here's hoping the Kimi/Redbull connection pans out as rumoured so we might have two actual racers in f1 2011. Woohoo. Hamilton is a balls to the wall driver too but he's far too much of a mediawhore to actually support... biggrin.gif

Are you serious? Most anticipated season in a long time ohwell.gif

Media whore? Get real.
Orin
QUOTE (le chat noir @ Dec 14 2009, 14:21) *
James Allen Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

I’m beginning to realise that this is true. Schumacher is coming back. Incredible


Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, Massa - not to mention Button and Webber - it will be interesting to see if he can even make the podium next season.
schumaster
read on PF1 forum that speedtv mentioned that a deal will be announced as early as today! love.gif

the silence from both MS and Ferrari camps is deafening....i think it's bound to happen! clap.gif
sleenster
Does Ross Brawn have any indication about how Schumi is going perform if he does come back? He's either going to be awesome, just the same as he was at his peak or he's going to be mediocre due to age and time taking its toll. Seems like an awfully big gamble for Brawn to take but I guess he has to take it if his only choices are Schumacher or Heidfield.
athlon
QUOTE (schumaster @ Dec 14 2009, 15:47) *
read on PF1 forum that speedtv mentioned that a deal will be announced as early as today! love.gif

the silence from both MS and Ferrari camps is deafening....i think it's bound to happen! clap.gif


Cold you post us the link? smile.gif
I'm very excited. I'm hoping it will be announced this week. smile.gif
carbonfibre
I can't imagine schumacher being mediocre, at least not if you compare him to the other drivers. Maybe if you would compare his performances to his peak days. Those days are behind him but even not as his peak he is still one of the best drivers out there with a hell of a lot experience and he is known to have the ability to build a team and develop cars.
Massa_f1
It would be very amusing if MS beats Ferrari if he comes back,
George Costanza
QUOTE (Orin @ Dec 14 2009, 09:34) *
Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, Massa - not to mention Button and Webber - it will be interesting to see if he can even make the podium next season.



He's Michael Schumacher. Of course he will. Brawn will keep Mercedes at a very high level, he's Ross Brawn.
cheapracer
QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 14 2009, 21:42) *
I know it isnt smart business-wise


I think thats all bullshit and each one helps the other to glorify F1 and 2 legends of it, it's a win win for both of them.

Who isn't interested to see MS back, visions of the great Silver Arrows Vs the legend that is Ferrari.
cheapracer
QUOTE (George Costanza @ Dec 14 2009, 23:00) *
He's Michael Schumacher. Of course he will. Brawn will keep Mercedes at a very high level, he's Ross Brawn.


I have to take my hat off to him at the ROC China, his speed and smoothness was beyond what you would expect from a retired 40 year old!
George Costanza
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Dec 14 2009, 10:05) *
I think thats all bullshit and each one helps the other to glorify F1 and 2 legends of it, it's a win win for both of them.

Who isn't interested to see MS back, visions of the great Silver Arrows Vs the legend that is Ferrari.



Alonso vs Schumacher Part II.

George Costanza
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Dec 14 2009, 10:08) *
I have to take my hat off to him at the ROC China, his speed and smoothness was beyond what you would expect from a retired 40 year old!


Indeed. I would love to see some wet races in 2010, so we can see some vintage 1996 Schumacher magic at times in the race.... (oh, the moments.......)
cheapracer
QUOTE (Dodi_napalm @ Dec 14 2009, 21:42) *
Hope they will announce it this week.... the Rainmaster is back


Regardless of how the year panned out I wouldn't be too unhappy to see a masterful wet drive just one last time from him.
kyriakos75
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Dec 14 2009, 11:43) *
James Allen is a Ferrari nut who also wrote a biography of Schumacher. I find it hard to believe his dislike is born of anything other than his support for Schumacher or his legacy to the sport. At the very least a comeback gives him the opportunity to write a revised biography and make cash...


Then perhaps he doesn't like the fact that MS is about to return with another team?
Orin
QUOTE (George Costanza @ Dec 14 2009, 15:00) *
He's Michael Schumacher. Of course he will. Brawn will keep Mercedes at a very high level, he's Ross Brawn.


I have to admit I'll be impressed if he does. If McLaren and Ferrari return to form and Red Bull maintain theirs, that doesn't leave much for the other teams - Brawn got the jump on everyone last season, I don't see that happening in 2010.
Mauseri
Schumacher back? Not a chance. Ok, I reckon he is young enough to do two or three competitive years, but why would he do that? Who delivered mushrooms to them all? drunk.gif
potmotr
QUOTE (Rinehart @ Dec 14 2009, 12:06) *
To the people saying it is risky of MS to comeback - as it will risk his reputation - what do you mean by that?

His reputation is what it is after 91 wins in F1. I can't see how anything is going to change that.


Agreed.

If he's not quite as awesome as he was, he's still Michael Schumacher.

And he'll hardly disgrace himself.

I say bring it on, I'd love to see him race again.



pacwest
As a frequent poster in this thread I'll just say again that the greatest contribution that MS will bring will be to break the young driver fascination. At 38+ your are not slow. Many times you are just tired of going fast.

When someone 38+ is hungry for a win they have far more guile and experience to make it happen. Rarely do we see a top driver in a top car at that age for it to be caplitalised on or realised. Sadly, much of this impact will be anulled by the statement "He's Michael Schumacher, he's special."

He didn't look good in red golf shirts anyway.
schumaster
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 15:54) *
Cold you post us the link? smile.gif
I'm very excited. I'm hoping it will be announced this week. smile.gif


here it is:

Re: Possible Hinter of MS at Mercedes [message #2345842] Mon, 14 December 2009 09:48
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On the Speed Report TV show, Speed TV announced that Schumacher could be announced as a Mercedes/Brawn driver as early as tomorrow!

and the link of the thread http://forum.planet-f1.com/index.php?t=msg...p;start=40&

I too, am very excited about this!! clap.gif
Jordana
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 15:54) *
Cold you post us the link? smile.gif
I'm very excited. I'm hoping it will be announced this week. smile.gif


Here is the link:

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...meback-reports/

And another one from today:

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...humis-decision/
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