He would be perfect for Brawn only because he's ok with one year deal. Button was dumped for some German golden boy who might be available next year.

i dont myself subscribe to that view of the world.but you are very much entiltled to your opinion

Another Times article:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/for...icle6922278.ece

please Kimi....sign for Mercedes, it will make 2010 the greatest championship in years

4 teams, all having 1 if not 2 drivers capable of challenging for the WDC

still makes it more than the pay driver teflonso who got others to pay for his seat.
And if its true brawn got the better 1/2 of the deal than MaClaren

This is great news and I believe it, I even predicted it.
As much as I would have loved to see KIMI at Mclaren, I was feeling a bit sad for him when the sabbatical was announced yesterday.

I really pleased for him and I think Mercedes gave him all he wanted out of desperation. This in my opinion is a move by Mercedes (Haug) not Brawn or Fry and as far as I am concerned not totally unexpected.

Poor Heidfeld...

Yeah, but you said he would take a sabbatical

If they got Kimi? Yea, that would be the understatement of the year

But can someone tell me why Kimi should not sign with Merc? The Autosport article says that Kimi would only join if the team could convince him the car will be good enough to fight for race wins and the world championship. But how does one convince Kimi or anyone for that matter about something like that? How can you prove that their car will be at the top? You can always be shown windtunnel figures and simulation - but you could never know if a couple of other teams hasnt got that little edge over you. And that would go for McLaren and Ferrari too.

Here is what I think: Kimi would be foolish not to sign with Mercedes. Even if it isnt the one he will win another championship with, it will be so much easier getting into a top seat for 2011 than if he took one year off. He said he wants a car that can win races. Umm, that team won 8 races or something last year didnt they? There is Mercedes money there. They have the best engine and there is no Ron and no danger of Lewis favorism. What else does he want is what I am asking.. Button signing for McLaren could be a blessing in disguise for Raikkonen. And if he doesnt take it I will be... lets just say that I will be cranky.

I don't see any downside to a Mercedes-Räikkönen deal, either.

ok nobby haug, its time to quit thoose saving plans, hire kimi and throw all the money into this years championship. Im just not convinced about Mercedes having a winning car this year

People generally underestimate Rosberg. To me he has always looked like a future world champion and has beaten his team mates with ease since his rookie season (not just Nakajima, Wurz didn't have any chance against him either despite his one lucky podium). So they don't desperately need Kimi and are not going to offer him more money than McLaren. The only way this is gonna happen is that Kimi understands he made a mistake and needs to make compromises to stay in F1. I hope it happens, but Kimi is being so childish and stupid that I fear it won't happen.

Wow already 7 pages about this stupid rumour?

How many does the Button to Macca does have? Will it get beaten?

It's no rumour!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80215

Kimi is prepared to drive for Mercedes next year. Brawn could have offered 12 million pounds for Button apparently before he visited Mclaren and upset Brawn, so money should be no problem. So Mercedes just needs to convince that Mercedes has a good car next year and they have Kimi

Well did they even make an offer? Reading Roberstsons words I think that there isn´t a big chance that Kimi might "return"

There might be some reasons why Puttonen did prefer Macca over Mercedes! Kimi just considered Macca! He also must have had some reason.

There is a very good chance that Mercedes may give Kimi one year deal and let him do everything he wants. Mercedes, even if they can't have a championship car, may have race-winning car. Kimi may think let's give it a year and see what happens. Mercedes has a lot better chance to make Kimi happy with his terms of contract.


Yes, you have got all the bases covered. Kimi takes sabbatical for 2010. Kimi makes a one-year deal for 2010. Kimi really does not like McLaren. When Kimi says McLaren or nothing, he does not like McLaren, but likes for one year even though McLaren is not stupid to offer one year contract. Kimi signs with Red Bull for 2010. Or, Kimi signs with Red Bull for 2011. How can you be wrong? No chance.

Raikkenon considering Mercedes/Brawn is not a rumour (he's been considering them for a while, hasn't he?)
Mercedes considering Raikkenon is a rumour

this has transformed from a brazilian report out of nowhere to definite reality in no time.

kimi has to sign this....

Well Branw did get the WDC and WCC with drivers like Button and Barichello. A driver line up with Rosi and Heidi/Sutil wouldn´t be worse. So Brawn might think that they don´t need Kimi.

Though i'm on the thread, i'm doing my utter best to try and avoid reading it! Just to make sure i don't get the same disappointment over again when this will be denied....

Same here I did arrange myself with the fact that Kimi will drive Rally next year and begin to get excited about that. Besides I can oberserve the querrels at F1 without any emotion.

im not much of a rally fan at all.after bidding farewell to him yesterday,this news is nothing but a blessing to nme

Try being a Michael Schumacher fan in 2009.

I like Rally, but lets face it - it blows compared to F1. Especially for the public as we only get to see summaries at the end of the day. And if you go to a rally. You only see the cars going by and then you wait for some minutes until the next one goes by. So I dont really get too excited about that.

And that is why Im hoping Kimi will come to his senses and sign this deal. It might actually be even better for him than McLaren.

Couldn't agree more Desdi !

BUT :
Now, as far as proof of race winner goes, i think what Robertson means with proof is definitely not guarantee. It's just a matter of giving Kimi insights into the development plans of the team for next year's car, what's the status now, and what are we up to, who are the key team members at which key positions, both in terms of car development as race engineers, etc... etc... Usually all of that is done under strict NDA, and one should understand of course that NO team, and definitely not Brawn himself, is ever going to be that stupid to provide any outsider with any of the REAL secrets they have up their sleeve. Not to Kimi either ! Contradiction? Paradox?

SO :
Let me tell you what's happening :
This is just Robertson hinting at Brawn : hey, Kimi's willing to drive for you. (not to say he's actually desperate now!) And he'd do it for close to no money at all, since he's got the money already.
But, since some weeks ago you publicly turned you back on me by claiming you can't afford me because according to you i wrongly negotiate as if i never got the Ferrari money, (and that pi...ed me off a bit!!) I am not the one who's going to kneel and beg for a drive in your team ! So i just HINT at you and i want YOU to consider that hint and YOU to take the initiative this time...

They're even adding to that : We want YOU to show US proof of your competitiveness !!

Ok, i agree,maybe my scenario here sounds a bit too Melrose Place like... But bottomline for me is clear, this is a message in a bottle, thrown in the sea, by a desperate and lost team Raikkonen who's suddenly realized what situation they've put themselves in !

I mean, personaly, as i don't believe this is going to happen AT ALL, as a fan of his, i would really have preferred Robertson never to make this statement, because this now only confirms what most of Kimi bashers were saying ! And i hate admitting those right...

Sorry, wrong, he needs to be offered a deal first, and we haven't had any sign Mercedes (Ross) is even considering Kimi at the moment.
Again, i think this is the first ever sign i see from a desperate Kimi & Co. Sorry to say... back to WRC talks guys....

whatever kimi raikkonen is,isnt it good that theres still a chance he might be here next year

You have my sympathy man, after yesterday I understand the emotion you guys have had to go through 2006

Sure Grungy, but i'm you friend man, and i don't want you to believe and dream too much now and get all hurt again in less than a day or so... capisce?
Well to be honest that's how i'm trying to protect myself from that happening now, but yes sure, go ahead if you think it can't hurt you anymore than yesterday...

My heart is already in the blender. So they can hit frappé now for all I care. I guess Im a glutton for punishment. It seems to go along with being a Kimi fan. I love Kimi for his persona. But this is one time I wish he was a bit more "normal" so to speak. Just close a deal with Mercedes somehow and then go back to your enigmatic self

And thanks for your explanation above by the way. Some parts of it I didnt like though. Especially the part where you say its just desperation and it wont happen

Fully agreed.

Well, according to Eddie Jordan, his sources say that MERCEDES WANTED TO GET RID OF BUTTON,so mac was Button only chance...

Gerry, I was as sceptical and more scathing in my views, of this story emanating from the Brazilian press. After yesterdays statements put out by the Robertsons, of Mclaren or nothing. We are now hearing this........."Raikkonen would consider Mercedes" It was this section that really got me...."This is Formula 1. If they can offer, or convince us, that they can provide Kimi an opportunity that Kimi is happy with, and that we are happy with, and he feels he can win races and the championship, then never say never," Robertson told AUTOSPORT about the situation with Mercedes GP. "There is always a possibility." This is a 360° about turn if ever thee was one.

I like your posts man Keeping the dream alive.

But you gotta stop with the 360. Its 180
360 would just spin them around to where they were already going

If this happens, it will be even better than the ferrari contract. I´m not consider money here.

I simply don't believe this. I can't. But it would have been nice..

I would say it was more like 180...

Well sorry about that, but i've read the Autosport Robertson interview 5 times now and each time i read it just drools desperation even more... but ok, that's just my sad & sorry view on things.

As I said yesterday.

culd mean Ragged Edge is a woman though, lacking orientation. (no offense ragged, just kidding )

It's the "never say never" off season ...

EDIT: only just seen the Robertson interview on Autosport. Can't believe he included the above line in it too

i think its very possible... Mercedes just have to want him and I think he would sign for about 10mil a year

Kimi is driving a Mercedes next year. He's really stupid not taking this chance. This is the only seat left for a race winning car next year realistically. And who else is Mercedes going sign besides Rosberg?

Mercedes needs a high profile driver and Kimi fits for them perfectly. He already has been Mercedes icon in the past, and would bring more publicity to the team than any other driver available including Nico who I believe is already signed...

Actually they have only one driver under contract so far. So they are generally considering any available driver. But I'm not taking part in the guessing game. I'll believe it when I see it.

I agree - if Merc want to avoid looking like losers out of the driver merry-go-round, Kimi's their best signing.

ok got your point, but then replace considering with talking to in my post.

Earlier i said Kimi needs Mclaren more then Mclaren needs kimi. With mercedes its the opposite. I really hope kimi signs. As i would love to see my, now two favourite teams, Mclaren and Mercedes batling. And for that to happen, im pretty sure, Mercedes will need a driver capable of extracting 100% from the car sometimes 110%. And no ones better at that then hami, alon, and kimi. It would be amazing to have them in three different teams. Please norbert sign kimi, and please kimi sign with norbert. Im just a little worried Mclaren will produce an amazing car and hami will be untouchable.

BTW does anyone know which windtunnel Brawn Mercedes use, do they have a state of the art or ??

Exclusive Kimi Raikkonen Q&A - I want to win another title

Q: What about moving to the newly formed Mercedes GP team? Have you put out any feelers towards Brackley?

KR: No, I have not held talks with Brawn. I feel they will run two German drivers next year now that Mercedes are involved.

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2009/11/10229.html

Don't know whether this interview was contucted yesterday or today...

You just made it off my ignore list with that post Congratulations

I do have that same worry about McLaren though. They have proved themselves to be masters of car development last year. But nevertheless, Kimi has to get that contract and Mercedes has to get Kimi. They both win. F1 wins and everybody is happy.