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JamesHunt
Is Nico confirmed or not ?
Nova
QUOTE (JamesHunt @ Nov 20 2009, 18:20) *
Thats an old news for God's sake.


Do not take the lords name in vain
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (GIBF1 @ Nov 20 2009, 18:21) *
I think you'll find that Kimi is well thought of by the fans and media in this country

(me, i'm neither here nor there when it comes to him but i recognise his talent)


Fans maybe, media not. That one is not to be fought for..
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 20 2009, 18:22) *
This guy could spoil all show. Now I believe when real negotiations started we won't hear too much. Remember how Robertsons said till end Kimi has contract and stay in Ferrari.

And I might add Haug wouldn't think it's good idea driving vs Lois, Kimi, Fred, Massa and Seb. He knows how good really Kimi.


Haug-part I´m with You but Robertsons...?

For a while I thought they´re insane but then another part of me reminded:

- siper-license for Kimi to join Sauber
- quick move to macca
- big money move to Reds
- big money retirement fron Reds

I just can´t believe the got brain-dead in just few days..

Am I totally wrong with my thinking? Opinions?
GIBF1
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Nov 20 2009, 17:34) *
Fans maybe, media not. That one is not to be fought for..


I've always thought he was one of the more popular non-brits amongst the hacks
Odvan
Well EJ said Jenson was kicked out in favor of MS but really it could be done for Kimi, didn't it?

Sabina Kem said MS comeback is unlikely (but never say never). What for?
petri
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Nov 20 2009, 19:39) *
I just can´t believe the got brain-dead in just few days..

Am I totally wrong with my thinking? Opinions?


Too much success can make one blind. But what do I know? I'm not surprised about anything anymore..
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (petri @ Nov 20 2009, 18:58) *
Too much success can make you blind. But what do I know? I'm not surprised about anything anymore..


Replying me You must have said "can make ONE blind"
petri
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Nov 20 2009, 20:02) *
Replying me You must have said "can make ONE blind"

Fixed, thanks for a lesson.
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (petri @ Nov 20 2009, 19:10) *
Fixed, thanks for a lesson.


Naah, was a joke, I ment I´m still waiting for my success..
Mungo Fangio of the Year
LOL, must edit since I wanted to reply to Mia, not other.


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petri
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Nov 20 2009, 20:11) *
Naah, was a joke, I ment I´m still waiting for my success..


Too delicate for me on Friday eve.. biggrin.gif
Anomnader
QUOTE (GIBF1 @ Nov 20 2009, 17:42) *
I've always thought he was one of the more popular non-brits amongst the hacks



Never seen British media saying anything bad about him. Its a poor excuse, don't like a story, blame biased British media.
Mungo Fangio of the Year
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Nov 20 2009, 19:39) *
Haug-part I´m with You but Robertsons...?

For a while I thought they´re insane but then another part of me reminded:

- siper-license for Kimi to join Sauber
- quick move to macca
- big money move to Reds
- big money retirement fron Reds

I just can´t believe the got brain-dead in just few days..

Am I totally wrong with my thinking? Opinions?



you are smart
grunge
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Nov 20 2009, 22:39) *
Haug-part I´m with You but Robertsons...?

For a while I thought they´re insane but then another part of me reminded:

- siper-license for Kimi to join Sauber
- quick move to macca
- big money move to Reds
- big money retirement fron Reds

I just can´t believe the got brain-dead in just few days..

Am I totally wrong with my thinking? Opinions?

well i wouldnt call the ferrari leaving deal a success to be honest now that lots of things have cleared up.the clause where he would get half of the amount if he raced for anpther team hurt kimi.secondly the reds leaked the contract to the press meaning everyone knew the details.this was a significant handicap in any further negotiations that kimi did..
grunge
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 20 2009, 22:22) *
This guy could spoil all show.


true. lol.gif ..but hes said it on live tv ,so nothing can be done now.

as i said earlier yer crazy story might actually turn out to be true smile.gif
wewantourdarbyback
QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 20 2009, 17:32) *
Do not take the lords name in vain


Voldemort?
WebBerK
QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 20 2009, 15:32) *
Do not take the lords name in vain

Please use capital letter when referring to the Him.
GIBF1
QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 20 2009, 17:32) *


Where the hell did that emoticon come from ?

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Mandzipop
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Nov 20 2009, 18:54) *
Voldemort?


You mean he who should not be named? (Tom Marvolo Riddle or Michael Schumacher)
F1Johnny
QUOTE (grunge @ Nov 20 2009, 12:37) *
well i wouldnt call the ferrari leaving deal a success to be honest now that lots of things have cleared up.the clause where he would get half of the amount if he raced for anpther team hurt kimi.secondly the reds leaked the contract to the press meaning everyone knew the details.this was a significant handicap in any further negotiations that kimi did..


Seems to be an easy way around it. Sign for 2 years and load year 2, unless of course he plans to go to Red Bull in 2011. I'm sure Red Bull and Mercedes could work something out with Kimi's salary in year 2 and engines.
Mia 01
QUOTE (petri @ Nov 20 2009, 18:20) *
There are two seats available at Mercedes. If Schumi will take the another one it will be much easier to lure Kimi as well.. It would be a challenge for both of them.
I have lost my words..this silly season is getting weirder every day..


If this could be thrue!!
Mia 01
Kimi, Isn´t afraid to go up aginst anybody. Ring a bell MS.
ashnathan
fanboy or girl? Either way its still hideous.
Colombo
QUOTE (Mia 01 @ Nov 20 2009, 22:23) *
Kimi, Isn´t afraid to go up aginst anybody. Ring a bell MS.

Kimi. Ran away from Hamilton. Coward.

GC
Mia 01
QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Nov 20 2009, 18:12) *
No, and yet this very thing keeps coming up. I think this is a ploy to hide the real reason why the deal with McLaren fell through; a performance clause. I think Kimi want a clause that will make him walk away if the car doesn't perform, and the team will not agree to it because it leaves them hanging in the middle of the season with only one contracted driver, similar to Ferrari's situation when Massa got injured. Kimi has said this one time too many, and I think this is the reason for his 'sabbatical'.


Please, post moore in the Nascar thread.
meat
QUOTE (Colombo @ Nov 20 2009, 21:43) *
Kimi. Ran away from Hamilton. Coward.

GC



Näääh Hamilton used VETO drunk.gif
Colombo
QUOTE (meat @ Nov 20 2009, 22:45) *
Näääh Hamilton used VETO drunk.gif

Yeah right!

GC
Mia 01
QUOTE (Colombo @ Nov 20 2009, 22:43) *
Kimi. Ran away from Hamilton. Coward.

GC


I think you are a fan of FA. And then, ofcourse I understand you.
meat
QUOTE (petri @ Nov 20 2009, 17:20) *
There are two seats available at Mercedes. If Schumi will take the another one it will be much easier to lure Kimi as well.. It would be a challenge for both of them.
I have lost my words..this silly season is getting weirder every day..


Only one, Rosberg is a done deal already.
Colombo
QUOTE (Mia 01 @ Nov 20 2009, 22:47) *
I think you are a fan of FA. And then, ofcourse I understand you.

Understand me or not, there could be only 3 reasons Räikkönen did not sign for McLaren:

1. Räikkönen was not satisified with money McLaren offered him. In that case he is greedy (along with the Robertsons).
2. Räikkönen was afraid of Hamilton so he scared away. In that case he is a coward.
3. Räikkönen was not happy with the PR and other obligations normal for such a big salary. In that case he is not a professional.

You choose.

GC
Odvan
QUOTE (meat @ Nov 21 2009, 00:45) *
Näääh Hamilton used VETO drunk.gif

Although Colombo in my ignore list but he is hilarious. Kimi fans has it's own joker. clap.gif
meat
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 20 2009, 21:52) *
Although Colombo in my ignore list but this is hilarious. Kimi fans has it's own joker. clap.gif


oh please, go and buy some sense of humor please down.gif
ReAlien
QUOTE (GIBF1 @ Nov 20 2009, 22:50) *
Where the hell did that emoticon come from ?

lol.gif

Press right button of your mouse with cursor on image, then choose Properties menu.
Odvan
QUOTE (meat @ Nov 21 2009, 00:58) *
oh please, go and buy some sense of humor please down.gif

Calm down - I just forget when you quoting post quote inside posts disappear.
meat
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 20 2009, 23:05) *
Calm down - I just forget when you quoting post quote inside posts disappear.


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Wade
So any new links?
SpaMaster
QUOTE (Colombo @ Nov 20 2009, 13:43) *
Kimi. Ran away from Hamilton. Coward.

GC

How do you suddenly run away from someone when the other person is already there and you were the one who went to meet him specifically? roflmao.gif

Schumacher was already in Ferrari. Kimi was coming. He ran away. Now, that sound more like running away. Next time give it a thought before you retort word for word.wink.gif
Colombo
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ Nov 21 2009, 06:58) *
How do you suddenly run away from someone when the other person is already there and you were the one who went to meet him specifically? roflmao.gif

Schumacher was already in Ferrari. Kimi was coming. He ran away. Now, that sound more like running away. Next time give it a thought before you retort word for word.;)

Ok, if you want to play with semantics, I may re-phrase it: Kimi was afraid to join McLaren because of Hamilton who was already there. Coward.

That is one of the three options, the other two being money (greed) and PR and other non-driving work.

GC
SpaMaster
QUOTE (Colombo @ Nov 21 2009, 02:39) *
Ok, if you want to play with semantics, I may re-phrase it: Kimi was afraid to join McLaren because of Hamilton who was already there. Coward.

That is one of the three options, the other two being money (greed) and PR and other non-driving work.

GC

Did he not know that Hamilton was there until this Tuesday, given that he has been negotiating with McLaren for four months? Or, are you trying to say part of the negotiation was to trade away Hamilton?

Kimi was not afraid to take on your favourite driver in your favourite team where he has been for 12 years. Hamilton is not even close in that sense. Do you see even an iota of logic in this claim of yours? My boy knows no fear. smoking.gif
Colombo
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ Nov 21 2009, 11:47) *
Did he not know that Hamilton was there until this Tuesday, given that he has been negotiating with McLaren for four months? Or, are you trying to say part of the negotiation was to trade away Hamilton?

Kimi was not afraid to take on your favourite driver in your favourite team where he has been for 12 years. Hamilton is not even close in that sense. Do you see even an iota of logic in this claim of yours? My boy knows no fear. smoking.gif

As I posted in another relevant thread:

Räikkönen is 10 years younger than Schumacher. It is a big and significant difference that might have played the part in his decision (obviously the most important factor was that Ferrari built the best cars and that Räikkönen, like Senna 19 years earlier simply had to accept any challenge there was, in order to get the best car).
Also, Räikkönen himself experienced how it looks like to be beaten by a teammate previously not rated as the top tier. Now, he should have joined the team where his teammate would be someone younger, very quick, very hungry and accustomed to the team. Considering all that, I think it's perfectly possible that Räikkönen scared away and decided to avoid the possible repeat of 2008 or something even much worse. Deep in his heart, he knows that he is not the best out there.

GC
Nova
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Nov 20 2009, 21:46) *
Please use capital letter when referring to the Him.


Thank you ! I'm not so much around them here parts of the BB and don't know many of you, but those who know me in other parts of the BB know how sensitive I am to blasphemy. Now back to Kimi.
Tomerell
QUOTE (Colombo @ Nov 21 2009, 13:39) *
Ok, if you want to play with semantics, I may re-phrase it: Kimi was afraid to join McLaren because of Hamilton who was already there. Coward.

That is one of the three options, the other two being money (greed) and PR and other non-driving work.

GC


If Kimi was affraid of Hammy, why he even considered McLaren in the first place then??? you can play with semantics all you want but logic is missing together with any base for fact wave.gif wave.gif
Colombo
QUOTE (Tomerell @ Nov 21 2009, 11:59) *
If Kimi was affraid of Hammy, why he even considered McLaren in the first place then??? you can play with semantics all you want but logic is missing together with any base for fact wave.gif wave.gif

Maybe he was deliberating, wasn't sure what to do, analyzing the possibilities, then there was big money in the equation....many reasons could have made the process of deciding long and uncertain and it the end fear won. He might have changed his mind several times, why not?

GC
SpaMaster
QUOTE (Colombo @ Nov 21 2009, 02:53) *
As I posted in another relevant thread:

Räikkönen is 10 years younger than Schumacher. It is a big and significant difference that might have played the part in his decision (obviously the most important factor was that Ferrari built the best cars and that Räikkönen, like Senna 19 years earlier simply had to accept any challenge there was, in order to get the best car).
Also, Räikkönen himself experienced how it looks like to be beaten by a teammate previously not rated as the top tier. Now, he should have joined the team where his teammate would be someone younger, very quick, very hungry and accustomed to the team. Considering all that, I think it's perfectly possible that Räikkönen scared away and decided to avoid the possible repeat of 2008 or something even much worse. Deep in his heart, he knows that he is not the best out there.

GC

Deep in Raikkonen's heart.. And you know what's there??

Raikkonen being 10 years younger or 7 years older than Schumacher makes no difference. Schumacher was still strong, and cannot be taken for granted by any stretch of imagination. You seem to be inventing reasons to suit your own opinion. Sorry, the present day Hamilton's den in McLaren is not even close to that of Schumacher in Ferrari. Still does not explain why he was interested in McLaren in first place. As I saw in your reply to Tomerell, thought of joining first and then fear took over, etc. is the sort of vague inventive reasons I am talking about.

Bottom line is: You just cannot blame a driver daring to take on Schumacher as being afraid of someone else. Most people would agree with this.
Arion
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ Nov 21 2009, 12:35) *
Bottom line is: You just cannot blame a driver daring to take on Schumacher as being afraid of someone else. Most people would agree with this.


Then and Now. It's been 4 years. He hasn't looked that invincible for the last 3 years.
SpaMaster
QUOTE (Arion @ Nov 21 2009, 03:38) *
Then and Now. It's been 4 years. He hasn't looked that invincible for the last 3 years.

Do you mean he was invincible 3 years back?

It has not been 4 years. It is 3 years. In those 3 years you mention, he has won a WDC and the way he drove that Ferrari this season does not seem to indicate he has lost any of his speed. One year plagued by a wrong suspension problem does not take away from someone the driver he is.

Think about it. Those who reason that Raikkonen was afraid of Hamilton, don't you think you are really inventing reasons rather than an educated reasoning?
Arion
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ Nov 21 2009, 12:49) *
Do you mean he was invincible 3 years back?

It has not been 4 years. It is 3 years. In those 3 years you mention, he has won a WDC and the way he drove that Ferrari this season does not seem to indicate he has lost any of his speed. One year plagued by a wrong suspension problem does not take away from someone the driver he is.

Think about it. Those who reason that Raikkonen was afraid of Hamilton, don't you think you are really inventing reasons rather than an educated reasoning?


He's signed before 2007 right, so it's been 4 years since he made that decision.
He certainly looked the better driver a few years back, he was dominating his teammate, so he might have believed he could beat anyone back then. Since then, he's struggled to beat Massa at Ferrari, his confidence might have taken a knock.

Mungo Fangio of the Year
Kimi has looked invincible in some races, other than that he is merely awesome.
FenderJaguar
I'd say McLaren knew all along that Lewis might prefer someone else - even if he doesn't have "veto" rights. It was quite clear that Hamilton would be happy to keep Kovalainen and McLaren knew that. That is not veto rights but if you run McLaren and negotiate - those things work against signing Kimi. And if his agents tried to get too much - well...and then came the opportunity to sign Button instead. For McLaren with Mercedes getting out - that is a PR dream.

Whatever Kimi is - he is not a coward and personally I think he would have been more than happy driving alongside Hamilton - just because he would have had a challenge and no one would be upset if he got beaten more than he beat Hamilton. It was a win win situation for Kimi to drive alongside Hamilton in McLaren - a team he knew well and with a car that so often has been to his liking.
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