Webber, Trulli, Rubens are good examples. They are vocal about their opinions to the point of being annoying, but they are respectful to their colleagues.

Yes.
Hammi: 1 WDC

Fred: 2 WDC

Kimi: 1 WDC

JB: 1 WDC + Next year a real possibility = 2 WDC

What's the problem?

why? he can't comment on WDC just because he isn't one? He's been paired up with Schumacher, Raikkenon and Alonso, and he's been a championship contender himself.

"CONTENDER" is the operative word.


Not quite there though is he?

well... the trouble is, Button is not the only one with a "real possibility"...
and comparing their wdc quantity is not the only way to compare drivers

he lost by 1 point. my point is he fought for championship with Raikkenon, Alonso and Hamilton, and he's driven along side WDC ever since he joined Ferrari, he's in a good position to judge.

how is he not being respecful? I donlt get it. Why can a journalist, who has much less insight say all these things but a driver can't . Just the other day they asked kimi who he felt had been his strongest opponent and he said Massa - same thing. When they ask a driver these type of questions you want them to be honest intead of giving you bs answers.

Quite a few championships have been won or lost by 1 point.

Point is, Flippi has been on the wrong side of that point.

1. He was asked by journo
2. He said what he thinks
3. 99% of people think the same

Close the topic

1. He was asked by journo
2. He said what he thinks
3. 99% of people think the same

Close the topic

I'm not disputing that, so?

I still don't see what's the problem of his comments and I think he's in a good position to judge.

Notice that he does not say Button is shitty driver, he just says that believes Kimi, Alonso and Lewis are better than Jenson.

Later in that interview he says the Mclaren team with Jenson will be very very strong to beat.

Go Massa! you little shit stirrer..

Funny how the bump seems to have made him a bit more aggressive.

He's right though, even though I'm in the category of fans who thinks a WDC is worth the same regardless of who won it, If i had to rank the current WDC's in the field he would be at the bottom, but we've seen a few seasons from the other guys at the front, perception about Button will change pretty quickly if he puts in another championship challenging season or 2.

No one remembers Mansell for his pre 86 drives...but by 89-90 he was one of the top guns...it can turn around pretty quickly.

I'm predicting a multi car crash at the 1st corner in Bahrain, Massa steaming up the inside to outbrake everyone whilst giving the finger to Button, Lewis and Button watching each other collide into Fred who in turn spins into the Red Bull's....Ironically Kimi, driving for Mercedes starts from the pitlane after a blown engine in Qualifying and wins the race on account of having no competition.

Thats interesting as Massa always seems to use Bahrain as his comeback race after a dismal start to the season. Lets see how he fairs now that its the first race hehe.

I think this statement is normal comming from Massa.

Massa disliked Ayrton Senna bcs he didn't gave him an autograph when he was a kid.
And said that in a Bridgestone event previously to a Brazil GP.

How does Massa fare against Senna, Fabs ?

what's it got to do with his comments? he ranks the WDC on the grid, it has nothing to do with like or dislike.
It's not like he said Senna wasn't any good as a driver because he didn't sign an autograph for me.

There is a video of a Ferrari's presentation where both Kimi and Massa are being interviewed. I guess it is from 2007. Both drivers are asked who were their inspiration while they were starting their careers and rising through the ranks. Kimi's answer is NO ONE.. Massa's answer is Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher.

This episode, Massa told once, is that when he was a kid, he used to prefer Piquet over Senna because Senna denied him an autograph. When I was a kid, I used to prefer my dad over my mom because my dad would buy me lollipops..

What does it have to do with the topic WebJerk?

Dont worry.. this is WebJerk and his famous Ayrton Senna + Fabs obsession.. he will find a way to talk about it in a thread no matter what.. The topic is Massa rating Button and other WDC and he finds a way of talking about autographs and Senna...

Why is he so obsessed?

no matter how you slice it, that sngle point does not disqualfy him from having an honest opinion about who is the stronger WDC. He's is a normal dude just like you and me who happens to drive an F1 car for a living..

Bcs Brazil has o wonderfull palmares in F1, that is not restricted to your idol Senna.

You started this thread to alow the whole world to bash Massa, just like you enjoy slating Piquet and Rubens.

Stop behaving like the Brazilian Judah.

Have you heard/watched the interview in Portuguese ?

Oh... mkay.

Jenson will have #1 on his car but he will be the #2 driver. Don't Button's fan's understand that he was brought in to be Hamilton's Rubens/Kov

Jenson is good value for PR & a good #2, but no second WDC will be happening anytime soon for Jenson

Just be happy he lucked into the one he has.

LOL.. I support Felipe.. he is my favorite current F1 driver.. I never supported Rubens after he joined Ferrari.. but I have always supported Felipe..

Actually the driver that I dont like that much is the overrated Button... and you can see from other posts that I say that Felipe is a better driver than Button.. and I also predicts Lewis (my second favorite driver in F1) to destroy him

I was also firmly debating against Kimi fanboys that Felipe beat Raikkonen during their time together in Ferrari..

How can you say I am trying to bash Massa? You take crazy conclusions from you even crazier obsessed mind..

Look for my posts in the topic that Massa claims he has always beaten Kimi.. there were many hurt Kimi fans saying that Massa became an arrogant prick and I said he just said the truth

And on this case.. Massa once again only said the truth.. Button is a level below all other champions since Jacques Villeneuve and in my opinion is the biggest one season wonder since Keke Rosberg

Oh.. and Massa was no way disrespectful.. he didnt say he doesnt like Button or that Button is overrated.. he just said Hamilton, Raikkonen and Alonso are better.. he didnt even include himself in that conversation

Leave me alone ;)

meh - at least he is honest. I don't see how it makes him arrogant at all. He's telling it like it is. All of the drivers he mentioned are better than Button. Some people are getting butthurt about the truth.

Massa and his comments
Button is no match with Lewis/Alonso/Kimi

If we had a a poll for only the current f1 drivers to rate themselves from 1-10, wouldn't we all find that information extremely valuable..

I see what you are doing here.

If you want to write crap without a external negative reaction, do it the walls of your asylum, not in a public forum.

You mask is falling.

LOL at you accusing me of bashing my favorite driver...

get a life dude

After you...

Massa is out of control. Something is happening in his brain and is not because the accident.

If this is true and translates into his driving, it would lead one to think maybe the team first, and if not them then the FIA step in to help correct the issue. It could be a dangerous situation. I know when all the US Football "meats" get concussions there is much dilemma about immediate ramifications and long term injuries.
It might actually be his brain, or what's left of the thing.
Massa is just blowing smoke, hoping his eyeball, focus , depth perception, color recognition... on and on ... heal.
He's talking about the current World Champion. Something he is most certainly not.
Good luck Felipe, you'll need it next year, and a load of cojones as well.

Felipe baby, stay cool!

+1

For all of you who think that Massa might have changed since the accident, let me tell you that I think it's not true (I've always read his interviews with Italian press and seen his interviews and he has always talked like this, but was not quoted so much).
Since the beginning of 2007 when Schumacher retired he started to be more vocal, the problem was that at first the press wasn't writing so much about him. All culminated with the 2008 season when he was ahead of his team-mate and fighting to WC.
For the next season, even with the a little more control from Ferrari for these press interviews, you will see a lot of quotes from him that will start a little controversy ....

But, what he says it's not something new, during 2009 season he kept on saying how the Brawn car is too superior to the others due to the diffuser and that it's not fair, many times giving the impression that he thinks Button doesn't deserve so much credit and when Barichello was closing on the points he said about how Button was not dealing very well with the presure and so on ...



P.S.About Kimi/Hamilton/Alonso being better than Button ....well this time I agree with him

Hey Felipe, how long were you World Champion for? Fifteen seconds, wasn't it? At least Button has a World Championship to his name.

thanks for the info!
but I think Massa already know all this

but why is this relevant against his opinion that kimi+nando+lewis are better than jenson?

some guys here need to stay cool to!

and I agree, felipe didn't changed, you guys are just giving more attention to what he says..
but I don't care to much, and even if he is wrong, he at least talks something, and normally looks a bit honest about his opinions...

Massa hasn't won a World Championship, so what qualifies him to judge drivers who have?

How about we just put things into context a little, out of 6 or so billion people on the planet he is one of 20-30 people with developed talent good enough for F1, then he is one of an much smaller number to have acutally won a race or two, and finally he is amongst a handful to have won the WDC. All bullshit fanboy, tit for tat criticism aside he drives around ok I would say...

no just telling the truth jenson is an also ran WDC
9 Years say he is not that good but too many people only look at one year
lets look at the whole and at best he is only 10%
Its a shame but next year jenson is going to be shown for what he is an average F1 driver against a great driver.
Most in the paddock will agree with that just as Massa pointed out.
Worthly champion but no way a great one

sorry massa has not yet won one oh you meant the other guy!!!
shame thats what he will be remembered as the other guy who got lucky

that disqualifies him from having an opinion? how?

Luck plays apart in many WDC not to mention driving an F1 car. I wonder if Jenson had kicked ass at the end of the season I wonder how this would be different? You are only as good as you last race.

yes! you need to be a world champion to say such things!
if not, even if you didn't win for 1 point, even if you was schumacher's and raikkonen's teammate, even if you are a race driver for your whole life, you know nothing!

Take your pick brother like I care

Actually we had a discussion about this in another thread. He has been making some rather aggressive comments after the accident. Im also thinking about the hit at Alonso recently. And people who are into this brain injury stuff say that is a pretty common side effect to that. You become more easily agitated and aggressive than you used to. Im sure that will work wonders alongside Alonso next year

I guess that makes Massa the strongest active driver who never won the championship, then??? So he's pretty close to Button, but not quite...

Lemme guess..... Someone misquoted poor Felipe baby again??

It's not like most people wouldn't agree with him. People whine about drivers being too corporate and not telling what they really think. But when they do then people whine about that.

So he's just saying that Lewis, Kimi and Fred are better than Button. No problem with that, all of them would beat Button fair and square. Even Massa would be faster than him

He's got about as much chance as Massa does now that Alonso's at Ferrari....