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OfficeLinebacker
So the big story is Denny vs. Crashalotski in the Nationwide race. That will be the race to watch. As far as the championship, simply check back Monday to verify that JJ indeed finished 25th or better and we'll all join hands and sing Kumbaya.

JPM has the flu.

Weekend on-track schedule:

http://www.nascar.com/races/tune_in/

Repeat: the event to focus on is the PENULTIMATE one, with the blue square. That's where the fireworks will go down. If you only watch one race this weekend, it's the one Crashalotski is in with a competitive car.

That is all.
Lazy Prodigy
JJ 4x 10 race champion clap.gif
alphabravo
QUOTE (OfficeLinebacker @ Nov 19 2009, 15:02) *
So the big story is Denny vs. Crashalotski in the Nationwide race. That will be the race to watch. As far as the championship, simply check back Monday to verify that JJ indeed finished 25th or better and we'll all join hands and sing Kumbaya.

JPM has the flu.

Weekend on-track schedule:

http://www.nascar.com/races/tune_in/

Repeat: the event to focus on is the PENULTIMATE one, with the blue square. That's where the fireworks will go down. If you only watch one race this weekend, it's the one Crashalotski is in with a competitive car.

That is all.

I still think there's a chance that Martin wins, I mean if there is a numerical chance you can't rule it out. Since it's the last race of the year though, if you haven't already, give TrackPass a try. Since Martin's going to be trying to win and Johnson desperately trying to get high on the board so he doesn't lose - it'll be the perfect race for having in-car audio and all the other info that you can get. Give it a shot, you'll be locked in for next year.
ensign14
What a fantastic finish to the season. Three drivers within seventy points of each other. Any one of them has a realistic chance at the title, the culmination of hard work over a whole year's worth of gruelling races.

Oh, wait. Sorry, I was thinking we were under the old points system. No, The Chase had made it FAR more exciting. The tension is unbearable. Can Johnson beat the likes of Tony "the Tiger" Raines, David "the Ronald" Ragan and Michael "the Failed Contraception" Waltrip and secure the all-important twenty-seventh place?
Phucaigh
The nationwide races probably have been more exciting than the cup races.

Saturday will be fun.
Sunday for a bit of history making in the series.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (ensign14 @ Nov 19 2009, 15:13) *
Can Johnson beat the likes of Tony "the Tiger" Raines, David "the Ronald" Ragan and Michael "the Failed Contraception" Waltrip and secure the all-important twenty-seventh place?


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Pikachu Racing
You mean this race is worth watching?
Risil
I like the sound of this David 'the Ronald' Ragan.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (Pikachu Racing @ Nov 19 2009, 15:46) *
You mean this race is worth watching?

You won't know until you watch. I'd love to watch something dramatic happen like with Busch's championship, where he literally lost a wheel and was way back in the order, looked like all was lost, but it was early enough in the race that he came back to win, by a fairly slim margin IIRC.
whitewaterMkII
QUOTE (Pikachu Racing @ Nov 20 2009, 04:46) *
You mean this race is worth watching?

For me?
I'll watch cause I have a feeling JPM will snatch his first oval win on his home track.
I understand half of Columbia will be there, that stand will be wild...
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pingu666
come this far, worth watching the end smile.gif
Pikachu Racing
Any thoughts?

http://www.frontstretch.com/mmclaughlin/28283/
WildmouseX
every race is worth watching.

in any series.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (Pikachu Racing @ Nov 20 2009, 02:36) *

tl:dr
OfficeLinebacker
Hendrick just signed JJ to a contract extension: They jinxed it!

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/n...tory?id=4673909
Atreiu
Why is that a jinx?
jonpollak
Currently...
Our boy is P1 in practice after spinning wildly through turns 3 and 4
Yee frickin HAA...
Jp
ch103
QUOTE (jonpollak @ Nov 20 2009, 12:18) *
Currently...
Our boy is P1 in practice after spinning wildly through turns 3 and 4
Yee frickin HAA...
Jp



you never know.... Mark Martin could pay someone to wreck JJ in one of them "racin deals"

OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Nov 20 2009, 11:43) *
Why is that a jinx?

Gave him the big signing bonus and contract before he sealed the deal with the actual 4th championship.

Wow I didn't know Juan spun. He ended up 2nd fastest, and he tweeted "had an ok practice, car pretty hard to drive but its fast"

So if he's fastest in practice what adjective does he use? decent? adequate? lol

Let's see how he qualifies. Should be fun to see him do well. I'd like to see him make a pass for the lead. The stands should go wild.

OfficeLinebacker
JJ on pole
MM 3nd
JPM 23rd

Scott Speed 2nd?!?!?! He'll be dropping like a rock once the race starts.
pingu666
JPM is qualifing like jenson button now isnt he :/
BMW_F1
speed embarrassed himself this year , I can't recall a race where he finish in the lead lap not counting restrictor plate races. He wasn't that bad in F1, he should go back and sign with the USF1 team.
Spunout
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 21 2009, 00:42) *
speed embarrassed himself this year , I can't recall a race where he finish in the lead lap not counting restrictor plate races. He wasn't that bad in F1, he should go back and sign with the USF1 team.


Uh, of course he wasn´t that bad in F1. There is some difference between 10+ years of training for F1-style racing and zero experience of ovals + "stock cars". You think somebody with zero experience of road courses + open-wheelers (take your pick) would look good in F1 from the word go? It takes time.

Also, Speed has been about as embarrassing as AJ, who experienced magical change immediately after leaving the Red Bull 2nd team. I also find it suspicious how last year Speed and Vickers swapped cars for season finale, and much to my surprise Scotty outperformed his teammate. After the race, he said the handling was completely different from his usual ride. Add good showings in ARCA, Trucks & Nationwide (in latter two series, even vs top Cup guys like Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick and Carl Edwards), and one must wonder how much of this is about the driver. It is not like all cars, teams and people are equal in the world of NASCAR.

Let´s wait for 2010, shall we?



BTW, why do I have the feeling this "he looked better in F1" comparison is another attempt to suggest NASCAR > F1? Ever since JPM made the switch, you have been awfully keen to prove that point...
BMW_F1
AJ and even Hornish have run much much better than speed. I know that they have never been consistently good but on some weekends they have run pretty good at least showing some hope finishing in the lead lap top 15. Speed has been hopeless all season long, he could swap rides with Waltrip and you would never know the difference.
Sausage
Yes but too bad Hornish is like the clown of the field often. Many crashes and incidents for him
Spunout
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 21 2009, 01:45) *
AJ and even Hornish have run much much better than speed. I know that they have never been consistently good but on some weekends they have run pretty good at least showing some hope finishing in the lead lap top 15. Speed has been hopeless all season long, he could swap rides with Waltrip and you would never know the difference.


Are we talking about their first year or second year?


BMW_F1
QUOTE (Spunout @ Nov 21 2009, 05:54) *
Are we talking about their first year or second year?

first year.. AJ even won one of the dual races for the All start race last year..
Spunout
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 21 2009, 02:00) *
first year.. AJ even won one of the dual races for the All start race last year..


It is true Speed only has one top 15 this year. Could have few more, without bad luck in few races he ran well. But I´d sure like to see him and Vickers swapping cars for say, 10 races. Last year Speed ran 5 races; in 4 first races finishing between P30 and P40. Then he got Red Bull #1 car, immediately qualified 2nd and finished 16th. According to Speed himself, his inexperience cost top 10 finish that day. Meanwhile, Vickers struggled with poor handling and barely managed to clinch 32nd place. Sounds familiar?

Given the factors mentioned in my previous post, I don´t believe this was all coincidence.


John B
QUOTE (ensign14 @ Nov 19 2009, 12:13) *
What a fantastic finish to the season. Three drivers within seventy points of each other. Any one of them has a realistic chance at the title, the culmination of hard work over a whole year's worth of gruelling races.

Oh, wait. Sorry, I was thinking we were under the old points system. No, The Chase had made it FAR more exciting. The tension is unbearable. Can Johnson beat the likes of Tony "the Tiger" Raines, David "the Ronald" Ragan and Michael "the Failed Contraception" Waltrip and secure the all-important twenty-seventh place?



How about 56 points between the top 3? And I believe this happened last year as well - the standings going into the last race would have been closer the old way (Edwards actually ended the year with the most overall points, but of course Johnson would have raced harder at Homestead).

Start and parks add more points for Johnson, unless he outdoes Texas and parks after lap 1 himself.



UNOFFICIAL Sprint Cup CLASSIC - the OLD way - Driver Points Standings
[after Phoenix, race 35 of 36]:
pos, car#, driver, points, behind
1) #48-Jimmie Johnson(X), 4996
2) #14-Tony Stewart(X), 4983, -13
3) #24-Jeff Gordon(X), 4940, -56
4) #5-Mark Martin(X), 4635, -361
5) #11-Denny Hamlin(X), 4611, -385
6) #2-Kurt Busch(X), 4593, -403
7) #42-Juan Pablo Montoya(X), 4454 -542
8) #16-Greg Biffle(X), 4420, -576
9) #39-Ryan Newman(X), 4353, -643
10) #18-Kyle Busch, 4310, -686
11) #9-Kasey Kahne(X), 4276, -720
12) #17-Matt Kenseth, 4265, -731
13) #99-Carl Edwards(X), 4252, -744
14) #33-Clint Bowyer, 4224, -772
15) #00-David Reutimann, 4103, -893
16) #83-Brian Vickers(X), 4019, -977
nosaj100
There's a chance the point race could be exciting. They are in Florida. Lightning has been known to strike out of the clear blue sky down there. For all we know, God could strike down the 48 car before it even rolls out of the pits.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (nosaj100 @ Nov 20 2009, 22:18) *
There's a chance the point race could be exciting. They are in Florida. Lightning has been known to strike out of the clear blue sky down there. For all we know, God could strike down the 48 car before it even rolls out of the pits.


Nah, that'd give Knaus too much time to repair it and get back in the race! smile.gif
krapmeister
Just caught the very last few minutes of the qualy - OMG Speed and Ambrose 2nd and 3rd! eek.gif

I assume Marcos benefitted like Speed from having a late draw?
DLaw
Vettel visited JPM at Homestead.

Lazy Prodigy
QUOTE (John B @ Nov 20 2009, 20:14) *
How about 56 points between the top 3? And I believe this happened last year as well - the standings going into the last race would have been closer the old way (Edwards actually ended the year with the most overall points, but of course Johnson would have raced harder at Homestead).

Start and parks add more points for Johnson, unless he outdoes Texas and parks after lap 1 himself.



UNOFFICIAL Sprint Cup CLASSIC - the OLD way - Driver Points Standings
[after Phoenix, race 35 of 36]:
pos, car#, driver, points, behind
1) #48-Jimmie Johnson(X), 4996
2) #14-Tony Stewart(X), 4983, -13
3) #24-Jeff Gordon(X), 4940, -56
4) #5-Mark Martin(X), 4635, -361
5) #11-Denny Hamlin(X), 4611, -385
6) #2-Kurt Busch(X), 4593, -403
7) #42-Juan Pablo Montoya(X), 4454 -542
8) #16-Greg Biffle(X), 4420, -576
9) #39-Ryan Newman(X), 4353, -643
10) #18-Kyle Busch, 4310, -686
11) #9-Kasey Kahne(X), 4276, -720
12) #17-Matt Kenseth, 4265, -731
13) #99-Carl Edwards(X), 4252, -744
14) #33-Clint Bowyer, 4224, -772
15) #00-David Reutimann, 4103, -893
16) #83-Brian Vickers(X), 4019, -977


We would be talking about Tony and one of the biggest potential chokes in nascar ever
Phucaigh
QUOTE (DLaw @ Nov 21 2009, 06:21) *
Vettel visited JPM at Homestead.


Montoya on twitter: i forgot!! spent some time sebastian vettel, he is a cool guy, i met him years ago when he was in formula bmw, really nice to see him!!!
BMW_F1
Miami's most popular driver not who you think-Spanish market growing thanks to Montoya's success

QUOTE
At Montoya's charity gala, the atmosphere was something else entirely. Up on the pool deck, drivers like Gordon, Johnson, Kahne, Max Papis, Jarno Trulli and Reed Sorenson mingled with celebrities who would stop traffic anywhere in Latin America. The guy in the open-collared shirt and sunglasses? A famous singer, a Spanish-speaking motorsports journalist informs you. The tall, wispy woman in the skin-tight black dress? "A runner-up in the Miss Universe pageant," he says. Shakira, the Colombian pop-music starlet, provides a videotaped message. The masters of ceremonies are hosts of television programs on Telemundo and its Spanish-language brethren, Univision.

Like all the other celebrities, Gordon and his wife, Ingrid, make their way down the red carpet, and are stopped often for interviews. The four-time champion has seen Montoya's impact first-hand this week -- he's staying with a friend who has a Colombian co-worker, and there's only one NASCAR driver she knows. It's been something of a gradual transition; just as Montoya has sometimes struggled with the stock car, his fans have struggled to understand the nuances of a sport in which a top-10 finish is considered a good thing. His arrival in 2007 cracked the door, but his success this year flung it wide open.

"I think there are a lot of race fans in South America," Gordon said. "I don't know how much they've been following NASCAR. They've been following Formula One. Now, I think you get a little bit more South American influence with Nelson Piquet and Juan and a few more, and that will only increase the awareness in the Hispanic market."

More than 700 guests attended the gala, which raised money for not only Montoya's nonprofit but a host of other Colombian charities. Even so, it's been a trying week -- Montoya calls Miami races "a nightmare" because of the demands placed upon him, and he's been trying to shake a fever that two days ago was at 101 degrees. "At home feeling like crap," he wrote Thursday on his Twitter page.

But by Friday morning his condition had improved, and he recovered from an early spin in Cup practice to post the second-fastest time of the session. With every lap, he tries to win races and hearts and minds, all at the same time. Now if only he could make the same inroads in his own home.

"My son is actually a huge Kyle Busch fan," he said, referring to 4-year-old Sebastian. "I'm not lying. If you go look by my motor home, I just got an M&Ms hood that I'm going to put in his room. I have to put a Target one up as well."


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red stick
Hamlin penalized for rough driving after he spins Brad Keselowski in the corner. Evidently having God on your side carries no weight with NASCAR. wink.gif







Hamlin's driving the Godspeaks.com sponsored Toyota today.
BMW_F1
was he at least able to wreck him completely?
red stick
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 21 2009, 16:31) *
was he at least able to wreck him completely?


Not at all. Keselowski didn't hit anything--currently runs 13th.
DLaw
QUOTE (red stick @ Nov 21 2009, 14:34) *
Not at all. Keselowski didn't hit anything--currently runs 13th.


Damn! smile.gif
PNSD
10th now, with Hamlin 14th, they gonna come together again?
Dmitriy_Guller
Damn, Brad is living a charmed life. Danny had shot his wad without actually accomplishing much of anything. More hair pulling drama after the race, with Brad implying that Hamlin's personal life is a wreck.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (Dmitriy_Guller @ Nov 21 2009, 21:05) *
Damn, Brad is living a charmed life. Danny had shot his wad without actually accomplishing much of anything. More hair pulling drama after the race, with Brad implying that Hamlin's personal life is a wreck.


Um.

Homestead is not a track where you dump someone into the wall on purpose. They're going way too fast and it's like dumping someone at Texas or Michigan or Charlotte. If anything Denny demonstrated his smarts by wrecking Crashalotski (Spinalotski?) in a straight line down the straightaway basically.

If Denny wanted Crashy in the wall, Crashy would have been in the wall. No doubt about it.
BMW_F1
@jmontoya: "saw some guys from my mclaren days here and saw kovalainen here, its kind of funny to see them all out here!!!! "
Dmitriy_Guller
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 21 2009, 22:52) *
@jmontoya: "saw some guys from my mclaren days here and saw kovalainen here, its kind of funny to see them all out here!!!! "

Did they all come out to see Montoya, or do they have something else to do in Florida right now? McLaren employees had disdain for Montoya near the end of his tenure, so it would be surprising to them come out just to see him.
DLaw
QUOTE (Dmitriy_Guller @ Nov 21 2009, 21:32) *
Did they all come out to see Montoya, or do they have something else to do in Florida right now? McLaren employees had disdain for Montoya near the end of his tenure, so it would be surprising to them come out just to see him.


I think you meant Ron - McLaren employee? smile.gif
BMW_F1
QUOTE (Dmitriy_Guller @ Nov 22 2009, 10:32) *
Did they all come out to see Montoya, or do they have something else to do in Florida right now? McLaren employees had disdain for Montoya near the end of his tenure, so it would be surprising to them come out just to see him.


Kova went as a guest of Penske racing maybe he went with some other folks from Mclaren..
Vettel is a guest of RedBull.. He was interviewed by Autosport yesterday. I put his full interview where he speaks about Juan on a new thread..

Maybe what we need is a thread which talks about JPM's crossover and the influence it's had on the racing world.. For the first time ever I think we have so many F1 drivers interested and following NASCAR..
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (Dmitriy_Guller @ Nov 22 2009, 00:32) *
Did they all come out to see Montoya, or do they have something else to do in Florida right now? McLaren employees had disdain for Montoya near the end of his tenure, so it would be surprising to them come out just to see him.

Yeah but isn't he the one who snuck some donuts in the McLaren garage for the boys? I thought he got into all kinds of trouble with Ron but was kind of a folk hero to the mechanics?

Or did he anger them later with on-track shenanigans?

In either case, I'm loving the whole F1-NASCAR cross-pollination.
BMW_F1
I think it was the ambient that Ron had created which made it all so tense for the workers.. Remember when Juan said that one time Sebastian was in the garage and he felt or something and then started to cry - he got all these dirty looks from some people, like WTF is that kid doing in the garage..?


back to NASCAR news .. Stewart's radio was aired on NASCAR now the other day where he calls Dale Jr. a no talent after he caused the crash..
Stewart said that it was in the heat of the moment..
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