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Pato
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 23 2009, 17:18) *


If he thinks he's getting another drive in F1 then he's mad.
robracer
QUOTE (Pato @ Nov 23 2009, 18:08) *
If he thinks he's getting another drive in F1 then he's mad.


Who deserve the other seats then?
MegaManson
QUOTE (William Hunt @ Nov 22 2009, 00:49) *
Absolutely; Nakajima is so underrated. He's had so much bad luck this year but he did score a decent amount of points in 2008 and if you check his qualifying performances then you'll see that he's usually around place 11-12, that's pretty good and far better than some other drivers like Piquet or Grosjean for example.

And Rosberg is one of the best qualifiers on the grid with Trulli & Massa so beiing beaten by him is no shame.
Nakajima is not slower as for example Kobayashi yet Kobayashi gets all the hype. In the same car I think they would be very closely matched and I suspect Nakajima might be the faster one.


Anyone can be fast, Takagi was fast, Sato was fast but all 3 were kamikaze drivers
Turbo4
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 21 2009, 22:33) *
You need evidence to back this up. Also, they proberly thought he would leave anyway so they thought there's no point fighting with McLaren or Mercedes.


I seem to recall Frank was a whole lot more regretful when Mark Webber walked out the door. There was even an apology for not providing Mark with a more competitive car if memory serves me. One of the Australians in here will no doubt be able to point directly to the 2006 article in question.

When Nico left, Frank just counted the $$$ he would be saving with Barrichello, who'll likely do a similar job for a third of the money.
Turbo4
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 01:35) *
Rosberg is future WDC. Nakajima is a good driver who will drive for Lotus next year.


If that's your way of praising Rosberg... eek.gif

QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 22 2009, 01:41) *
Rosberg is better than everyone except Alonso, Hamilton, Button, Vettel and maybe Massa. Definetely better than the drivers you mention.


bordering on the fanboy tag mate....;)
I'm beginning to think you're Lamag's second profile. lol.gif
WebBerK
Kazuki should leave F1. redface.gif

His Karma is not in F1, it's in Plastic Surgery.

The way he likes to chop noses... tongue.gif
muramasa

Kazuki won F-Nippon race today! his second race in the series.


TFLB
QUOTE (muramasa @ Jun 5 2011, 08:51) *
Kazuki won F-Nippon race today! his second race in the series.


I love how those cars look. F1, take note.
g1n
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Nov 21 2009, 15:38) *
Rosberg is overated

Good solid driver but I would compare him with DC/Trulli/Webber/Barrichello sort of driver certainly not an Alonso, Schumi, Hamilton, Kimi



exactly. Many people have yet to realise this,but they will in time wave.gif
STRFerrari4Ever
Whoa a Formula Nippon victory drunk.gif drunk.gif Who's he racing against anyway?
DanardiF1
QUOTE (STRFerrari4Ever @ Jun 5 2011, 16:07) *
Whoa a Formula Nippon victory drunk.gif drunk.gif Who's he racing against anyway?


This lot

Most of them are just moonlighting Super GT drivers who fancy an extra weekend of racing now and then... Formula Nippon ain't what it used to be...
Juan Kerr
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 21 2009, 12:06) *
He has the pace to be in F1, just a little bit wild, but he's certainly not dire.

Don't take any notice of Trolls hidden behind their PC's thinking thye don't have to account for their insults, I remember when Williams were raving about Nakajima. Its just there's so many drivers out there and the teams tend to go through a large turnover for reasons of finance and looking for the next senna.
muramasa
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ Jun 6 2011, 00:51) *
This lot

Most of them are just moonlighting Super GT drivers who fancy an extra weekend of racing now and then... Formula Nippon ain't what it used to be...

Exactly. Sad but true.

But I have to make it clear that Nakajma aint a bad driver in the first place, far from it. In terms of track record and performance level in junior series, he's no worse than drivers like Buemi for example. His suckness in F1 is extremely overrated in the minds of most F1 fans.

Today, he won from 13th grid, that's quite something.

montoyasminion
I always thought he was on Nico's pace in practice and qualy, but in the races he just couldn't be consistent. The only way to fix that is seat time.

But I think a lot of people will reevaluate his performances now considering Rosbergs performance against Michael, and the fact that Kaz was the only pay driver at the time, and now we have pay drivers who are likely not as talented.
DanardiF1
He wasn't a 'true' pay driver in that he was just part of Toyota's 'stable'.

Kaz was ok, but never really had a superb race, just ok...

He is doing both SuperGT and Nippon now, and he's doing well in both, which is good for him because there certainly aren't many bad drivers in GT500...
olliek88
Its true that Kaz had alot of bad press after not scoring any points in '09 where as nico scored plenty, Kaz was a bit unlucky in that he was always close to the points but never quite good enough to get in them.
muramasa
QUOTE (montoyasminion @ Jun 6 2011, 01:25) *
I always thought he was on Nico's pace in practice and qualy, but in the races he just couldn't be consistent. The only way to fix that is seat time.

But I think a lot of people will reevaluate his performances now considering Rosbergs performance against Michael, and the fact that Kaz was the only pay driver at the time, and now we have pay drivers who are likely not as talented.

Yeah right, fair evaluation. His main problem was he couldnt hold on with good pace in the race. And during 09, it looked apparent that his learning curve peaked, which was shame.

There's no doubt that his exit from F1 was justice. Just that I find it hard to stand it when I see quite a few people perceive him as an epitome of suckness or sth, and how people of this type have to ridicule him. Being Japanese and with the support of manufacturer/engine, he's a convenient target.

Bunchies
QUOTE (William Hunt @ Nov 21 2009, 17:49) *
Nakajima is not slower as for example Kobayashi yet Kobayashi gets all the hype. In the same car I think they would be very closely matched and I suspect Nakajima might be the faster one.


I think we need to reevaluate this statement. IMO they're not even in the same league.
DanardiF1
QUOTE (Bunchies @ Jun 5 2011, 17:48) *
I think we need to reevaluate this statement. IMO they're not even in the same league.


Too true, the fact that Kamui (although it was a rookie error) put the kibosh on Kazuki in his first race, and then went on to do what he has done in a car not disimilar to the 2009 Williams in terms of performance... well there's night and day between them...

Which is why we're looking at Nakajima in F Nippon and SuperGT, and we're debating whether Kobayashi deserves a Ferrari seat in the near future...
Anssi
Congratulations for the win, Kazuki cat.gif
olliek88
QUOTE (Bunchies @ Jun 5 2011, 17:48) *
I think we need to reevaluate this statement. IMO they're not even in the same league.


rolleyes.gif

One day, everybody will wake up and smell the beans, kamui is a very average driver in terms of out right speed and even his "great" overtaking ability is simply him being reckless, it won't be long before he causes a "coming together" or two.
Ise
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ Jun 5 2011, 17:28) *
He is doing both SuperGT and Nippon now, and he's doing well in both, which is good for him because there certainly aren't many bad drivers in GT500...


Il agree with FNippon, two races hes come from the back and twice hes made the top 5. As for Super GT. Hmmmm.... Hes doing better than his dads ailing team I suppose. Hes good, but not great, yet.
Bunchies
QUOTE (olliek88 @ Jun 5 2011, 13:58) *
rolleyes.gif

One day, everybody will wake up and smell the beans, kamui is a very average driver in terms of out right speed and even his "great" overtaking ability is simply him being reckless, it won't be long before he causes a "coming together" or two.


Why do you think that? Is there a reason to roll your eyes other than to make someone feel like an idiot? smile.gif
olliek88
QUOTE (Bunchies @ Jun 5 2011, 23:25) *
Why do you think that? Is there a reason to roll your eyes other than to make someone feel like an idiot? smile.gif


I never intended to make anyone feel like a idiot, its just alot of people think that Kamui is potentially a future WDC and as far as i can make out it his based on a few overtakes from a couple of races when he had much fresher tyres on, personally i don't think he is anything special simply because he doesn't have the raw speed, if my memory is right he drew 7-7 with De La Rosa in qualy and its hard to judge how up to speed Heidfeld was in the last couple of races, and now that Perez has started to get into the groove he has been the quicker, in the last 3 qualy sessions they have both competed in Sergio as comfortably beaten him, by .250 in China, .350 in Spain and .500 in Monaco, to me, against a rookie (albeit a talented one) thats less than impressive.

Sorry if i came across as though i was trolling, wasn't my intention. blush.gif

TFLB
QUOTE (olliek88 @ Jun 6 2011, 17:45) *
I never intended to make anyone feel like a idiot, its just alot of people think that Kamui is potentially a future WDC and as far as i can make out it his based on a few overtakes from a couple of races when he had much fresher tyres on, personally i don't think he is anything special simply because he doesn't have the raw speed, if my memory is right he drew 7-7 with De La Rosa in qualy and its hard to judge how up to speed Heidfeld was in the last couple of races, and now that Perez has started to get into the groove he has been the quicker, in the last 3 qualy sessions they have both competed in Sergio as comfortably beaten him, by .250 in China, .350 in Spain and .500 in Monaco, to me, against a rookie (albeit a talented one) thats less than impressive.

Sorry if i came across as though i was trolling, wasn't my intention. blush.gif

In China the red flag stopped him improving because of traffic, while Perez I think did have clear track and did improve. In Turkey his car failed. In Spain he had traffic. Ok, in Monaco he was just slow, but everyone has race weekends like that. Barrichello had one also in Monaco, for example. Also some of his qualifying last year and this was excellent.
Crusoe
QUOTE (olliek88 @ Jun 5 2011, 21:58) *
rolleyes.gif

One day, everybody will wake up and smell the beans, kamui is a very average driver in terms of out right speed and even his "great" overtaking ability is simply him being reckless, it won't be long before he causes a "coming together" or two.

That's why he finished in the points every single race this year? BY being reckless?
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