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FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (Galka @ Jan 18 2010, 08:13) *
Why should they test anything? They'll be driving last year's cars.


With Rally Sweden the first round of the WRC this year and it being on snow, you dont think that the factory team might just try a few new things? wink.gif

Trust me...it might be under the 'junior team' umbrella that Dani is driving...but there will be a few new bits being tested and settings tweaked...... It also just gets even more snow mileage under Dani's belt...good time to do some tyre evaluation work...
Galka
QUOTE (FlatOverCrest @ Jan 18 2010, 19:23) *
With Rally Sweden the first round of the WRC this year and it being on snow, you dont think that the factory team might just try a few new things? wink.gif

OK, I believe you. wave.gif
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (Galka @ Jan 18 2010, 08:27) *
OK, I believe you. wave.gif


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sir jackie walker
Some Arctic Rally participants (apparently the entry time just expired)
Kosti Katajamäki - Lancer Evo X
Jukka Ketomäki - Lancer Evo X
Jarkko Nikara - Lancer Evo IX
Juha Salo - Lancer Evo X
Mattias Therman - Lancer Evo X
Rami Räikkönen - Grande Punto S2000
Mika Salo - Clio R2
Kimi Räikkönen - C4 WRC
Dani Sordo - C3 WRC

No JJ Lehto or Mika Häkkinen this year.
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (sir jackie walker @ Jan 18 2010, 09:07) *
Dani Sordo - C3 WRC


???

Typo? Pretty sure he will be in the C4 isnt he?

Unusual to see just 1 Brit entered, Hugh Evans ...Tony Jardine and a number of others have often entered this...

Entry list...
http://kiti.akk-motorsport.fi/modules/syst...S=2&C=62590
WonderboyF1
I thought Kimi was in his C4 for this rally?
undersquare
QUOTE (WonderboyF1 @ Jan 18 2010, 17:02) *
I thought Kimi was in his C4 for this rally?


Yeah he is, bottom of the list, 18 - WRC class with Dani.
Mauseri
QUOTE (WonderboyF1 @ Jan 18 2010, 21:02) *
I thought Kimi was in his C4 for this rally?

Does Citroen even have a C3 rally car? Anyway, Kimi competes with WRC car there so it can only be C4.
WonderboyF1
Doh, I looked at the entry list posted above, immediately looked for the name, Raikkonen and seen he was driving a Fiat Punto, thats why i asked you guys, but now looking at the list again, it was his brother! Haha Wonder who will come out on top?
RodrigoL
So Kimi and Sordo are the only ones driving WRC class machinery?

Am I correct in thinking that Kimi could get a top 5, maybe podium, place just by keeping it on the road?
Galka
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jan 18 2010, 21:40) *
So Kimi and Sordo are the only ones driving WRC class machinery?

Am I correct in thinking that Kimi could get a top 5, maybe podium, place just by keeping it on the road?

Yes, you are! There are only 2 drivers in his class- he and Sordo.
So, if he finishes, he'll get into Top2 anyway. roflmao.gif
noikeee
I think it's pretty much guaranteed he'll finish the rally in 2nd place if neither of the Citroens crashes out or has problems.
Galka
QUOTE (Bianchimont @ Jan 18 2010, 22:26) *
Does Citroen even have a C3 rally car? Anyway, Kimi competes with WRC car there so it can only be C4.

It is the car of the future, the 2011 WRC car.
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (Galka @ Jan 18 2010, 11:12) *
It is the car of the future, the 2011 WRC car.


Yes citroen are developing a possible C3 based S2000 car, but there is no mention anywhere that I can see that Dani will be using that car for this event.

sir jackie walker
QUOTE
Typo? Pretty sure he will be in the C4 isnt he?

Yes, a typo. But those two keys are pretty close, though. blush.gif

QUOTE
So Kimi and Sordo are the only ones driving WRC class machinery?


Actually there are a couple more, but in a different class. And I have a feeling these guys will hardly challenge even the group N guys...

Erkki Koskelo - Octavia WRC
Georg Gross - Focus WRC
Lucio Petrocco - Impreza S11 WRC
Tapani Hulkkonen - Escort WRC
Mauseri
QUOTE (Galka @ Jan 18 2010, 21:58) *
Yes, you are! There are only 2 drivers in his class- he and Sordo.
So, if he finishes, he'll get into Top2 anyway. roflmao.gif

Even though the performance difference to WRC car is clear, there are several decent drivers in the rally cars. If Kimi cant get near those guys, thye might laugh at his WRC journey a bit drunk.gif
Avastrol
QUOTE (Bianchimont @ Jan 19 2010, 08:30) *
Even though the performance difference to WRC car is clear, there are several decent drivers in the rally cars. If Kimi cant get near those guys, thye might laugh at his WRC journey a bit drunk.gif


I agree. Given his car advantage, his ultimate goal, if he is chasing a result in particular, would be to finish second to Sordo. It is definitely not a foregone conclusion.
Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (Bianchimont @ Jan 19 2010, 01:30) *
Even though the performance difference to WRC car is clear, there are several decent drivers in the rally cars. If Kimi cant get near those guys, thye might laugh at his WRC journey a bit drunk.gif

They might do that yea lol.gif But we do have to remember that the Arctic rally is mostly regarded as practice for Kimi for the Sweden rally. They will probably try different setups and so on.
robracer
Rally Sweden entry list
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (robracer @ Jan 19 2010, 09:35) *


Dark Horse for top 3 finish.....

Marcus Gronholm in the Stobart Focus....

It will be very interesting to see the actual starting order as I am sure Kimi will not want Petter starting behind him...

Nice championship if you like Ford and Citroen's!!

Also interesting that Ken Block has not made an entry yet....
hello86
Courtesy of Tania from Kimi´s OF: smile.gif

From Autopsprint of this week:
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http://cid-23b1abff33cab8a4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Articoli%20Stampa/Autosprint%202010/AS3-19gen2010.jpg#resId/23B1ABFF33CAB8A4!3841


I haven't shut with F1!
After the very first test with the Citroen C4 WRC, Raikkonen… find the speech again. And he reveals what are his ambitions and plans.

Kimi Raikkonen talks! Accustomed as we are to the grumblings and the shrugs of the former Ferrari driver, feeling him happy, even enthusiastic, 'almost' talkative, this greatly surprises us. Maybe it's his new rally environment that made the miracle. Or perhaps it's the result of the first test with the new car, the Citroen C4 WRC, with which he seems to have quickly found a good feeling. Whatever will be, but the fact is that Kimi seems transformed. And he doesn't draw back to our questions, which are not just about rally, but also about many other topics .
- Kimi, what do you think of the C4 after your first test? How did you feel? He was your very first time ever driving a World Rally Car...
- "The car is very good. I've immediately found a great feeling and I was very impressed by how it reacts to adjustments. Sure, it's quite different from any other rally car I had driven before! Even if I didn't know it, I enjoyed, I had fun and learned a lot of things."
- All the experts have pointed out that your main problem, apart from that you don't know the routes, will be learning to listen to the navigator, establishing with him a proper system of writing notes...
- "I'm constantly learning about the notes and I'm working hard with Kaj (Lindstrom, the former navigator of Tommi Makinen who's following Raikkonen in his rally adventure as a shadow). He has a lot of experience and knowledge, and so he is a big help for me. It's important to have the right notes and I am particularly pleased to have Kaj by my side helping me. He gives me confidence."
- What do you expect for the season going to begin with the Rally of Sweden? Do you think you can immediately aim at success or your season will be just to have an experience?
- "I'm preparing to face a great challenge for me. I have no experience of world rallying... Of course I always want to win, but in this case, you must be realistic: I have no other goal than doing my best. Let me see where I will be at the end of season!"
- After the last year races what do you think of Kimi Raikkonen as a rally driver?
- "Better to leave to others the comments on my performances."
- Have you got a model to follow among the big rally drivers of yesterday and today?
- "No, I haven't a model to follow. But I have the same respect and consideration for the top rally drivers like that I have for the best drivers in F1."
- What kind of opportunities are the participation of Kimi Raikkonen and, even more occasionally, of Valentino Rossi, for rally?
- "For this sport they are a good thing. And I'd love to see Valentino racing in the WRC."

- The question that everyone would ask: why did you go from F1 to rally?
- "I've always been interested in competing in the WRC soon or later, and at some point in my career I was offered this excellent opportunity by the Red Bull. So, why not?"
- Is your choice permanent or it may be that one day we'll see you again in F1? Fernando Alonso said at the Ferrari meeting at Madonna di Campiglio you're a natural talent and it is a shame to see you go away...
- "I have not closed the doors to F1. I spent nine years of my life in this sport and I really have some good memories. I will make a decision in the middle of this year. Then I'll decide whether to stay and compete in the rally or return to F1 Grand Prix."
One
Good thing that Kimi got his mind opened up. I assume he will be a greater racer.
hello86
Nothing to do with Rally but I think it´s a great read (if one is a Kimifan)...courtesy of Nikki smile.gif


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It's from 2001 but it's so touching. From Apu-magazine.

Matti and Paula Räikkönen
FROM OUR KIMI TO ICEMAN

Text: Raila Kinnunen and Vesa Eskola

What happens when a normal family's normal boy proves to be special and gets into the 22 best? Kimi Räikkönen got a F1-seat and a licence but mother and father, Paula and Matti Räikkönen hope that life wold stay as it was. Their wish is fulfilled if they have as much love in the family as they have had uptil now.

The feeling is the same as it usually is after a big moment of happiness. The dream becomes true, the joy is enourmous and yet there is sorrowness in the air: what was is left behind, a lot changes, maybe everything.

It's been a few days since Kimi Räikkönen, 21, came out with the historical news: he got the superlicense to F1 although he hadn't drove one meter in F3.

– We have done our part, Kimi and Steve Robertson will take care of the rest. We only give emotional support now, Matti Räikkönen, Kimi's father says.

– It is painful to let go. It will take a few weeks until we get ourselves psyched into thinking that this really is true.

Kimi's mother Paula Räikkönen continues:

– This came with such a bang. Kimi called Masa's cellphone on August 15th when we were in Tuupovaara where Rami was rallying telling that he will go and test F1 within a month. I thought then that I am going to faint. Fortunately Masa caught me when my feet just went under, really.

– I prepared her and told her to sit down, that I have an incredible thing to tell, Matti tells.

– Fortunately we have this older son Rami, who is one year and 10 months older than Kimi and how drives rally. I have enough to do with Rami, Masa says and grins somewhat sadly.

He is a big, stable, bearlike 46-year old man. Paula, 47, is smaller, blond, fast and clear in her talks, more temperamentic.

IT TOOK TIME, MONEY AND STRENGHT

Here we have a fresh Finnish heroic story where sisu, toughness, trial and companionship is combined. This story has four heros, Kimi, Masa, Paula and Rami.

– Everything happened like in secret. I mean we started this only so we could give the boys a good and a healthy hobby. And then the hobby has grown into bigger and bigger circles, father Räikkönen explains.

Matti Räikkönen is a machineman who is a mechanic with skillful fingers. Paula is a secretary, a woman of action.

– All hobbies are good but driving is tricky because the small boys don't get with their machinery from track to track. If a boy plays ice-hockey you can take turns with other parents, in this hobby it doesn't work. We travelled with these two sometimes even 17 races in one summer and when the distances are what they are it doesn't mean from Friday evening to Sunday, it often means from Wednesday to Sunday, Matti tells.

– When the boys started to drive national races - Kimi was eight - we had to get a van and a trailor so that we could get to the races, Paula continues.

– It took all the time, money and strenght, she calmly says.

Matti worked two or three jobs, drove taxi and was a doorman. Sometimes they had to decide whether to continue the boy's driving business or make an indoor toilet. They didn't and the boys got to continue.

–Once we came all the way from Belgium to Finland with only a Shell credit card. Fortunately the family stuck together! Matti tells.

– Sometimes we had moments of doubts but aren't bad times meant to be won, she challenges.

– We never had the feeling that we should quit. Sometimes we just realised that we don't have enough money. We cried in the telephone to one way and another so that we could continue, Paula talks.

– The family has all the time been very closely together, we have shared both the joy and the sorrow. Because of course there has been sorrow and disappointments too. Winning is a rare treat, Matti defines.

The family's inside joke is what Kimi said when they were going home through Italy that 'I will get you a castle from here one day'.

– It came so sincerely from Kimi. And when we came from another race that went bad, Kimi pointed at a castle that was in really bad shape that 'I'll buy you a castle like that mom, I don't have enough money to buy another one', Matti laughs.

There are wild rumours about Kimi's salary at Sauber but it's clear that it's seven- or eight-numbered figures and you could even build a toilet of marble with golden handles with that money.

– We don't have to support Kimi anymore. In that way things got easier about a year ago. Kimi is living on his own earnings and we have definitely noticed that! Räikkönen's say.

– I don't want life to change, I want it to stay as it was before, Matti says.

– This has been Kimi's dream but it was never our dream. We have just lived and helped him the best we could to get forward. In this genre the hunger gets bigger and bigger when you realise that you have talent, you have to take it to the end and see where it takes you, Paula says.

– Many can say that I live through my children. It's not true. We just got a hobby that combined the whole family and it started growing bigger, Matti says.

They both thank their employers who have been flexible and understanding.

– That has been essential to the whole business, it wouldn't have worked out if we couldn't hold our vacations in parts, they say.

BROTHERS ARE LIKE NIGHT AND DAY

So what is this Kimi Raikkonen like - according to his parents?

– He is gutsy and terribly stubborn but also very sensitive, mother says.

– It think that Kimi has grown all the time along with his career. Of course he has taken damn big steps during the last days but I have never been worried about the boy's head, father says.

– Kimi isn't more mature than others his age. When he has time his friends come over and they go to sauna according to the long schedule and go to a disco after that. He has a girlfriend and things like that, he is an ordinary boy, mother says.

The girlfriend is cute and wonderful but she doesn't want to be in the spotlight.

– Kimi has lived in Holland and England, of course that helps to grow up and become independent, father thinks.

– The brothers are like night and day. Rampe was something like seven when we said that he is the smartest person in our family. Rami always thinks first before acting, Kimi is the complete opposite, does first and figures out afterwards what he went and did, father laughs.

Mother calls the firstborn a diplomat.

– Rami started driving a motorbike when he was 3,5 years old. You couldn't give Kimi one until he was 5. Kimi's nature is of the kind that you go always flat out, Matti describes.

– They drove karting together. Rami was softer, you can see his goodness best when you drive against time or against your own best performance. He is much more softer than Kimi as a driver. You have to be more aggressive and rude on the track. It was clear ever since they were small that they both drive in their own style. They didn't want to learn from each other - not even if we tried. They both thought that the other one had no hands - therefore you can't learn anything from him, father tells.

He regrets a little of his scetching and says that you can't compare your two boys, both are equally dear.

But you can read between the lines that Rami is better off in rally where he can drive alone, Kimi again is better on a track where he can squeeze in, ambush, overtake, go flat out, put others in line without endangering anyone.

– The boys were always together ever since they were small. I almost cried when I looked at albums and saw that in every picture there was two boys. The other one was alone in only a few pictures, they were always together and did everything together, Paula says.

– Of course they had fights, you polish one another through them. But the relationship and the foundation is there even though they wouldn't see each other that often, she continues.

MANY TAKES PART IN A LOTTERY, ONLY ONE WINS

They talk about an eye for the game. Should you also talk about an eye for driving, a natural ability to find the best driving line and realise what braking causes in different situations?

– Absolutely. Everybody develop if they repeat enough but I also believe that there is talent. Someone can learn to reach a certain level and some other can already be there when he starts and continue somewhere else where the other one never will reach, Masa describes.

Kimi Räikkönen is a driver talent, everybody has agreed upon that, even those who have been doubtful about his quick progress to F1.

Fysiotherapist Jukka Viitasaari who has tuned the slim Kimi during last months into a young man who is more tougher than an arrow goes totally reckless. Viitasaari has worked a lot with drivers but he compares Kimi to Mozart, a genious in his own profession who can play any instrument: cello, violin, piano - everything goes and everything plays.

Without even coughing Kimi jumped from a 185-horsepowered Formula Renault into an 800-horsepowered F1-car.

– Kimi has always stood out somehow and he has been picked and taken forward because of his driving skills and showings, we really didn't have the money and we haven't bought Kimi one single seat, Paula Räikkönen says realistically.

It was a surprise for those in the Sauber-team how efficiently and analytically Kimi is able to tell what kind of setups he wants to the car and why.

– Ever since Kimi learned to walk he has fumbled with all kinds of gadgets. I don't think that anybody can make a fast car for anyone. Everybody wants a bit different setups and you have to be able to tell what it feels like and what might cause it, Matti explains.

Kimi was in technical school's car-department for 1,5 year until he had to leave school for other engagements. Many of his class mates didn't even know what the guy was doing - which tells a lot about the young man's character.

Concentration and self-confidence are in the right place in Kimi. He often says: you should not bow in front of pictures, "we all eat the same oatmeal".

Eddie Irvine wished Kimi welcome as his colleague, Ralf Schumacher again gave doubtful statements.

Kimi thinks that everybody can think what they want, it isn't his business.

Matti says diplomatically like this:

– Very few gets into F1, someone's success is alway taken away from someone else. Kimi has taken someone's job who has been driving for a long time and dreamt of the same thing.

Tens of thousaunds wishful boys race all over the world in different races and they all have the same dream burning in their veins: The Royal Class. 22 gets in there.

– Many take part in lotteries and somebody always wins it, Matti says.

Are you scared?

– Everything is always possible. Anything can happen in normal traffic. In Europe we are more afraid of the journeys there than we are of the tracks, Räikkönen's answer.

Paula tells that the bigger classes that look so daring when watching from the television always made her think with pleasure that fortunately our boys never get that far but when getting there they have proved to be okay. The boy has learned and matured during the journey. But as a mother she can't watch the races, it's too exciting.

– Sometimes we have said when dreaming that if Kimi ever gets to F1 we will go to the first race! It's just a shame that it's so far away in Melbourne! Paula sighs - so far they have seen only one GP.

YOU CAN ALWAYS COME HOME

Many families have somekind of advice they say to their kids when they walk out the door. Behave, drive carefully, remember to call.

– Our boys haven't had time to circulate in any gangs but I always tell them when they are going somewhere that 'keep your sense in your hand'. If someone jumps into a well then we don't have to jump after. Think before you do something, Paula says.

– And you can always come home. No matter what happens you can always come home, the door is open, Kimi's father continues.

Kimi comes from F1-Racing -magazine's photoshooting, the Swiss filming teams is buzzing around him - they are making a portrait of Kimi to a German channel's sport news.

Kimi is quiet, careful, a man of few words. He grins if the other one really makes an effort to entertain him - his dad says that he has always strived to pull tricks and fool his boys so that they wouldn't become too serious.

The hero gets to come home for Christmas from Barcelona's testing. He has already got his parents christmas-presents - although he already gave the best around the Independence Day.

When the news about Kimi's F1-seat spread, Matti Räikkönen's 4 cellphones got swamped with congratulations. Even Mika Salo's father called to congratulate. Someone brought a beautiful rosebush and two bottles of champagne to their yard, otherwise life has gone on like before.

But it's just calm before the tornado.

Father gives his son a Sisu (Sisu is a pastill and also something like Mojo).
dank
Can't find any info on it, but I've heard that Citroen Norway has signed a deal with Petter Solberg for this this season?
CoolFiltered
Thanks Hello up.gif I hadn't read that one before.

Loosely on topic as it concerns rallying, a clip from a rally in county Clare, Ireland, but be warned, lots of very bad language, probably best not viewed/listened to without headphones if there are children about, quite funny though, especially the co-driver shouting "nudge the ******* ****" roflmao.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6rY1-pbeNM
One
Thanx Hello86, I loved the story.

I gonna watch what Kimi does from now on, the me far from over, on the contrary just started for Kimi. Who kows ik Kimiis a real the he might gets all championships...
intelligentsia
Thanks Hello86!, great article! smile.gif
Hairpin
QUOTE (Bianchimont @ Jan 19 2010, 01:30) *
Even though the performance difference to WRC car is clear, there are several decent drivers in the rally cars. If Kimi cant get near those guys, thye might laugh at his WRC journey a bit drunk.gif

The difference in speed is roughly 10% between a WRC and a S2000. That is a lot under any normal circumstances, but a rally is not often normal. A mistake can mean anything from a second to several minutes. I think that if Kimi can keep it mostly on the road and have some stages close to Sordo, it is a good result.
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Jan 20 2010, 19:35) *
The difference in speed is roughly 10% between a WRC and a S2000. That is a lot under any normal circumstances, but a rally is not often normal. A mistake can mean anything from a second to several minutes. I think that if Kimi can keep it mostly on the road and have some stages close to Sordo, it is a good result.


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IMO Kimi´s rally in Rally Arctic should not even be found as a "normal" rally. Prepairing to whole WRC season I think their goals are a) to collect as many miles as possible and b) trying to find his and his car´s limits. A very hard plan????

(hope he gets miles enough, never mind possible rolling)

dank
Mini's return to the WRC for 2011 is set to be unveiled at the Geneva Motorshow in March. Prodrive has reportedly signed a deal last week.
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (dank @ Jan 22 2010, 04:21) *
Mini's return to the WRC for 2011 is set to be unveiled at the Geneva Motorshow in March. Prodrive has reportedly signed a deal last week.


and thus the 'push' for 1600cc engines and turbo's! wink.gif

Switch the supercharger for a turbo and hey presto...straight out of the box and ready to go to new regs...
Raincoat
QUOTE (Gilraen @ Dec 5 2009, 11:35) *
Well, Kimi will be driving in 2010 WRC. F1's loss; WRC's gain
On the Kimi forum we hava lot of questions about if and where to watch the Rally stages LIVE.
Any help that you Autosport enthousiasts can provide in terms of live feed links is much appreciated smile.gif

Edited: A PM is much appreciated



F1's loss? Rubbish! if Kimi went to Merc we wont have Schumi. Kimis leaving f1 was a good thing for F1.
Sammyosammy
Latest from Finland: Kimi started testing with his WRC yesterday in Finland on friday. Testing will continue through saturday.

Ouesnel yesterday on Rally Radio´s interwiev; "Kimi is very serious with his job. We have to wait from 5 to 6 rallies but in the end of the season he shall be very Quick".
"Everyone will be very surprised with him. We´ll find a new Kimi in rallying, he is enjoying in it", Quesnel promises.

Kimi´s team mate Sebastien Ogier travelles next weekend to Finland where he meets Kimi for the first time. He will take a role as a spectator in Rally Arctic Lapland. After the rally they both are testing for Sweden.

undersquare
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Jan 23 2010, 08:37) *
Latest from Finland: Kimi started testing with his WRC yesterday in Finland on friday. Testing will continue through saturday.

Ouesnel yesterday on Rally Radio´s interwiev; "Kimi is very serious with his job. We have to wait from 5 to 6 rallies but in the end of the season he shall be very Quick".
"Everyone will be very surprised with him. We´ll find a new Kimi in rallying, he is enjoying in it", Quesnel promises.

Kimi´s team mate Sebastien Ogier travelles next weekend to Finland where he meets Kimi for the first time. He will take a role as a spectator in Rally Arctic Lapland. After the rally they both are testing for Sweden.


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Hope we get some coverage of the Arctic rally.

Going to be hard to contain ourselves for 5 or 6 rallies, we're all going to be ooh-ing and ah-ing from Stage1 of the Swedish lol.gif
Mary Popsins
May be Raikkonen in rallies will be a flop. What are the odds?
Verderer
QUOTE (Mary Popsins @ Jan 23 2010, 09:48) *
May be Raikkonen in rallies will be a flop. What are the odds?


Depends what you mean by a flop? He's already showed he's quicker than the retired Finnish F1 drivers, but that not a real measuring stick. Will he be able to compete for top positions in WRC, time will tell. But If he can fight even for points, I wouldn't consider him flopping. It's true the raylling top ten is very narrow, but nevertheless getting there must be his aim. If he doesn't I am sure he's disappointed in himself. As for the rest of us, I am sure he doesn't care.
MARDRU
Thank you Hello86!!!!!!!!
Great!
Odvan
QUOTE (Mary Popsins @ Jan 23 2010, 12:48) *
May be Raikkonen in rallies will be a flop. What are the odds?

I hope for this. But wouldn't happen. Unfortunately. cry.gif
Buttoneer
Please can we keep F1 out of this WRC thread.
Mark A
QUOTE (FlatOverCrest @ Jan 22 2010, 21:08) *
and thus the 'push' for 1600cc engines and turbo's! wink.gif

Switch the supercharger for a turbo and hey presto...straight out of the box and ready to go to new regs...


Latest version is a turbo.
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (Mark A @ Jan 23 2010, 06:01) *
Latest version is a turbo.

Hmmm didnt know that, cheers.

Even less work for them to do then... biggrin.gif
kismet
Oh, it could totally happen. WRC in its current state may be a joke but it's not a ****ing summer camp. Some of those people are seriously good - even if only 1.5 (OK, two) of them can be considered serious championship contenders.

That said, I don't quite know what people mean by Räikkönen possibly being a flop in rallying. Some say he was a flop in F1, too, and in a way that's true. I guess it's relative; what counted as an epic failure in F1 would be considered a huge success in WRC - simply because almost nothing's expected of him in WRC whereas he was supposed to be sort of good at this F1 lark. With that in mind, I wouldn't put any money on him ever winning a rally but, in order not to be considered a flop, I reckon he should eventually reach at least the level the Wilsons and Rautenbachs of the rallying world operate on. If he fails at that, I'm not sure Red Bull's going to bother buying him another season in frontrunning machinery. As well they probably shouldn't, but it could put a bit of a damper on my boy's rallying career. Which would be truly tragic if I actually cared about WRC. tongue.gif
Mary Popsins
Oh I wish Raikkonen well.

There won't be too much pressure on him regarding the competition. He was booked mostly for the publicity, and his main challenge will be to become likable, not just an icon. Hopefully Henning Solberg will still be there to make us laugh.
noikeee
I'm not exactly sure what would be a flop and what wouldn't, as this is a very unusual and unpredictable situation. That being said, I would consider getting no further than Rautenbach-level a flop, although that's to be expected in his first season. If he does the rest of his career in the WRC he's going to want to be better than that eventually.
SpaMaster
QUOTE (Odvan @ Jan 23 2010, 03:16) *
I hope for this. But wouldn't happen. Unfortunately. cry.gif

Ah, come on, be part of the mega challenge. tongue.gif I know rally may be more exciting for drivers than fans compared to F1. Still, the sheer magnitude of a new challenge like this should be interesting enough. So, get on the Kimi rally bandwagon.wink.gif
SpaMaster
1.6 L turbo can produce lot of power if the design is good and the regulations allow for such design. We don't think of such power is possible because we are stuck with 15% efficient IC engines for 80 years whereas even solar panels have reached an efficiency of 20%.
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ Jan 23 2010, 12:56) *
1.6 L turbo can produce lot of power if the design is good


Indeed the Peugeot 205 T16 Broup B engine was a 1785cc engine with Garett Turbo that pumped out 500bhp... so yes the power could easily be tweaked to give a WRC level of performance...

The problem is.....

NOBODY is currently running to this spec currently in the world and yet from 2011, this is what the WRC will become. So the fine minds of genius at the WRC and the FIA think that this is a much better idea to impose a completely new engine standard in under a year, while 10 other manufacturers are currently all showing their support for the 2.0 Litre engine format.

Brilliant.... makes about as much sense as a chocolate teapot!

By all means make the 1600cc Turbo the way forward for the future, i.e. state that in 2015 this will be the engine of choice and then use the next few years to sell the concept to the manufacturers, allow them to bring in road going versions...etc etc etc... building the WRC to a point in 2015 of hopefully being back to the once heady days of Group B. But in order to do so....they need to get rid of the idiot that insists that the WRC only needs four manufacturers....

The fact is... it really is not that hard to bring rallying back to what it used to be, both in popularity, stability and good competition.... it simply requires a change of management, as no one should benefit from their incompetence to date.
alfista
QUOTE (FlatOverCrest @ Jan 23 2010, 17:04) *
Hmmm didnt know that, cheers.

Even less work for them to do then... biggrin.gif


Mini's 1600 cc turbo engine is produced in co-operation between BMW and PSA and thus available also for Peugeot and Citroen. I can bet there's some development work going on at PSA also.
SpaMaster
Crest, did FIA tell WRC to adopt 1.6 L turbo from 2011 itself? I did not know that. I knew that with F1 it is from 2013 and they have about 4 years time to work on it. If they have just one year's time, it would be a half-baked engine. It would do more harm than good as the design would not be good if done in haste. Moreover, my understanding was it would be a "World" engine, meaning F1, WRC and other series would all have the same engine. Obviously, a manufacturer involved in F1 like Renault would develop a better engine than Ford that designed its engine in haste. If it's going to be a world engine, everyone should have the same time and it should come out at the same time.
Mungo Fangio of the Year
You mean sledge, not bandwagon, right?
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