sir jackie walker
Feb 12 2010, 09:28
SS3
Wilson........11:28.4
Räikkönen.......+0.7
al-Qassimi.......+8.6
Oh, poor Matthew...
Sammyosammy
Feb 12 2010, 09:38
QUOTE (e34fanatic @ Feb 12 2010, 10:23)

Few tenhts away from anticipated pace, I think. Having said that, Sordo is running extremely well. So the gap in Arcitc rally seem now much smaller than previously thought. Sordo is right up with the leaders so he is doing well. Maybe Kimi is apprehensive with unknown roads. I guess they will run stages second time, so maybe Kimi has room to improve.
Yes, there is seven stages today. First three will be driven for the second time this afternoon and the last one was driven also at yesterday as a first SS.
undersquare
Feb 12 2010, 11:00
So, 11th at +32.1 in SS4, any details anyone?
CoolFiltered
Feb 12 2010, 11:08
QUOTE (undersquare @ Feb 12 2010, 11:00)

So, 11th at +32.1 in SS4, any details anyone?
He's doing okay so far i think, quite a few drivers have been reporting problems with the conditions, and the tyres are expected to maybe take a bashing later unless i've misunderstood, 2 or 3 have hit a rock, i think Kimi has some slight damage to the rear bumper but nothing serious, the radio on the WRC site is worth having on if you can, although they'll be going into music now for the service. These stages are due to be re-run this afternoon so times might get a little quicker.
Menace @ Spa, you're welcome to the earlier link.
kismet
Feb 12 2010, 12:33
Wilson vs. Räikkönen - a true battle of the titans...
Mind you, I predicted Kimi would crash out on SS4 while being 13th in the overall standings so I guess he's actually exceeded my expectations so far.
RodrigoL
Feb 12 2010, 12:42
SS5 started, great time for Hirvonen
jb_128
Feb 12 2010, 13:02
Sorry for being too lazy to read through the whole thread, but does eurosport still show the daily half hour reviews? I couldn't find it on their website. If not, are there other ways to get moving images? thx
Spunout
Feb 12 2010, 13:03
QUOTE (kismet @ Feb 12 2010, 12:33)

Wilson vs. Räikkönen - a true battle of the titans...
Mind you, I predicted Kimi would crash out on SS4 while being 13th in the overall standings so I guess he's actually exceeded my expectations so far.
I thought you expected Kimi to retire from racing & apply for job at local MacDonalds?
Speaking of Wilson, he is talented guy with several years of rally experience. It would be stunning accomplishment if Kimi could post comparable times in his first rally. I think people live in this delusion that if you have F1 title in the bag, you´re supposed to match the best in any category from Day One. Not so. The fact is, Kimi has less rally experience than Wilson had
4 years ago. And yet, 2006 was strictly learning year for Wilson.
People better return to Planet Earth. There is damn good reason why nobody from F1 has moved to WRC full time. We are looking for an answer to a question whether it can be done at all, after missing out rally training in young age. If people think Kimi should challenge the seasoned WRC pilots, they are in for huge disappointment.
QUOTE (jb_128 @ Feb 12 2010, 08:02)

Sorry for being too lazy to read through the whole thread, but does eurosport still show the daily half hour reviews? I couldn't find it on their website. If not, are there other ways to get moving images? thx
www.wrc.com
The official site has tons of vids.
Yeah, Eurosport also does the 30 minute reviews of each day + a pre-event preview show.
CoolFiltered
Feb 12 2010, 13:13
Kimi in at 9th on ss5, up to 10th overall so far.
Marcus Gronholm gave a quick interview
"I can't get any speed, I don't know what's the problem. I haven't drove in three years, they drive fast as hell. It was damn sh!t, not good at all. The tyres are okay,
nowadays the problem is between the seat and the steering wheel. My time was sh!t."
QUOTE (CoolFiltered @ Feb 12 2010, 08:13)

Kimi in at 9th on ss5, up to 10th overall so far.
Marcus Gronholm gave a quick interview
"I can't get any speed, I don't know what's the problem. I haven't drove in three years, they drive fast as hell. It was damn sh!t, not good at all. The tyres are okay,
nowadays the problem is between the seat and the steering wheel. My time was sh!t."
I love Gronholm's mini-interviews!
This all time classic in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqQhQSbe6fwThe fisting motion he makes at the end just ... it just makes it hahaha...
QUOTE (jb_128 @ Feb 12 2010, 14:02)

Sorry for being too lazy to read through the whole thread, but does eurosport still show the daily half hour reviews? I couldn't find it on their website. If not, are there other ways to get moving images? thx
Motors TV is the official broadcaster this year.
alfista
Feb 12 2010, 13:40
QUOTE (Xaus @ Feb 12 2010, 15:03)

www.wrc.com
The official site has tons of vids.
Yeah, Eurosport also does the 30 minute reviews of each day + a pre-event preview show.
Are you sure? I remember pre-season press-release telling Eurosport was replaced by Motors TV and there is no sign of WRC in Eurosport TV guide:
http://tv.eurosport.com/tvhome.shtmlOn the other hand, Motors TV has day 1 highlights at 22.20 (CET?) :
http://www.motorstv.com/tv-guide?d=2010-02-12&h=4
noikeee
Feb 12 2010, 13:45
That's a poor time by Raikkonen in SS5, beaten by the S2000s of Andersson, Mikkelsen, Tuohino and Prokop! Did something happen to him, because he only gained 3 seconds over the first run when he was blocked by al-Qassimi?
In fact PG Andersson has moved ahead of him up to 10th overall, that dude is absolutely flying today!!
CoolFiltered
Feb 12 2010, 13:47
QUOTE (Xaus @ Feb 12 2010, 13:24)

I love Gronholm's mini-interviews!
This all time classic in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqQhQSbe6fwThe fisting motion he makes at the end just ... it just makes it hahaha...
Hahahaha @ the fist pumping
intelligentsia
Feb 12 2010, 14:16
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Feb 12 2010, 15:45)

That's a poor time by Raikkonen in SS5, beaten by the S2000s of Andersson, Mikkelsen, Tuohino and Prokop! Did something happen to him, because he only gained 3 seconds over the first run when he was blocked by al-Qassimi?
In fact PG Andersson has moved ahead of him up to 10th overall, that dude is absolutely flying today!!
A few of the drivers drove onto the wrong road, and they had to reverse again. Perhaps the same also happened to Kimi, and the tyres are also starting to grain.
intelligentsia
Feb 12 2010, 14:26
Solberg was first to hit trouble, losing four minutes and damaging the rear of his C4 WRC when he went off the road. He got going again, but was quickly caught by Ford Focus RS WRC driver Matthew Wilson. Wilson got past soon after - when Petter went off again - but eight kilometres from the finish Wilson stalled his Ford on a corner and was rear-ended by Petter's Citroen.
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 14:27
Kimi's team is taking out parts, a spoiler among other things.
Grönholm seem to be out on SS6
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 14:36
Kimi had problems, was/is standing
undersquare
Feb 12 2010, 14:36
QUOTE (intelligentsia @ Feb 12 2010, 14:26)

Solberg was first to hit trouble, losing four minutes and damaging the rear of his C4 WRC when he went off the road. He got going again, but was quickly caught by Ford Focus RS WRC driver Matthew Wilson. Wilson got past soon after - when Petter went off again - but eight kilometres from the finish Wilson stalled his Ford on a corner and was rear-ended by Petter's Citroen.

Kimi presumably is a bit hampered by running down the starting order. Hopefully will be higher up tomorrow.
Dragonfly
Feb 12 2010, 14:37
On the lıve radıo I hear Kımı has stopped short before the fınısh of SS6
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 14:41
Marcus had car problems, engine.
Dragonfly
Feb 12 2010, 14:44
Last thing I hear is "Kimi is deep into a snow bank"
undersquare
Feb 12 2010, 14:45
QUOTE (Dragonfly @ Feb 12 2010, 14:37)

On the lıve radıo I hear Kımı has stopped short before the fınısh of SS7
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Feb 12 2010, 14:41)

Marcus had car problems, engine.
Damn!
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 14:47
Kimi is stuck in the snow outside the road, 4km from finish of SS6
FlashMaster
Feb 12 2010, 14:55
@paddocknews
Kimi is in the ditch 4km from the finish and he wont be able to get up without help from a tractor or something like that.
craftverk
Feb 12 2010, 15:00
Raikkonen's time: 26 mins and 20 seconds
Sammyosammy
Feb 12 2010, 15:04
QUOTE (craftverk @ Feb 12 2010, 16:00)

Raikkonen's time: 26 mins and 20 seconds
Time 37:09, 26:20 from Latvala´s top.
But hey, man got out of snow..
P34 after SS6
craftverk
Feb 12 2010, 15:08
so Raikkonen CAN continue?
CoolFiltered
Feb 12 2010, 15:08
Kimi got through okay
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 15:10
QUOTE (CoolFiltered @ Feb 12 2010, 16:08)

Kimi got through okay

37 minutes 9 seconds, I am not sure 'okay' belongs there

But apparently the car is quite ok and that is the most important thing - he can continue.
CoolFiltered
Feb 12 2010, 15:12
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Feb 12 2010, 15:10)

37 minutes 9 seconds, I am not sure 'okay' belongs there

But apparently the car is quite ok and that is the most important thing - he can continue.
Okay in the sense of no injuries, and as you say, the car appears to be fixable.
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 15:14
I suddenly started to laugh for myself when I was thinking about the soon-to-arrive Kimi bashers who thinks that this have made their day

For anyone that knows rally, this is to be expected, no matter how good you are. It happens to experienced drivers and it definitely happens to rookies.
Sammyosammy
Feb 12 2010, 15:15
QUOTE (CoolFiltered @ Feb 12 2010, 16:12)

Okay in the sense of no injuries, and as you say, the car appears to be fixable.
If he got out there with that car he sure is able to drive the last 1,9 km special stage. And after that, good night Kimi & Kaj, long night for mechanics..

EDIT: Aaaaargh, sorry! There is still SS7 (19km) before that short special stage. Hope he can do both with his car..
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Feb 12 2010, 17:14)

I suddenly started to laugh for myself when I was thinking about the soon-to-arrive Kimi bashers who thinks that this have made their day

For anyone that knows rally, this is to be expected, no matter how good you are. It happens to experienced drivers and it definitely happens to rookies.
sscccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Don't wake giancarlo f1, Alonso fan, and other. Let them be way...
Well, kimi crashing was the mosto normal thing in the world, basicaly it would happen no matter what. Now it's goodbye points, but lets see his raw pace.
craftverk
Feb 12 2010, 15:18
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Feb 12 2010, 15:14)

I suddenly started to laugh for myself when I was thinking about the soon-to-arrive Kimi bashers who thinks that this have made their day

For anyone that knows rally, this is to be expected, no matter how good you are. It happens to experienced drivers and it definitely happens to rookies.
of course, but then the Kimi fans treat Raikkonen as an exceptional talent rather than being average right?
he's still in it, so let's see
CoolFiltered
Feb 12 2010, 15:24
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Feb 12 2010, 15:14)

I suddenly started to laugh for myself when I was thinking about the soon-to-arrive Kimi bashers who thinks that this have made their day

For anyone that knows rally, this is to be expected, no matter how good you are. It happens to experienced drivers and it definitely happens to rookies.
I wont comment on the bashers, but i agree with you on the rest, as someone said elsewhere, it seems like only 2 drivers have had serious off's, and the other one is a certain Mr Gronholm, I think some people may be expecting to much, Kimi's on a very steep learning curve, he'll get there but it wont be instantaneous.
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 15:24
QUOTE (craftverk @ Feb 12 2010, 16:18)

of course, but then the Kimi fans treat Raikkonen as an exceptional talent rather than being average right?
he's still in it, so let's see
'Average', that is you. You can call Kimi whatever you want, but not 'average'. Not when it comes to driving. Fact is, an 'average' driver hardly get further than club level. An average basher can reach much further though, unfortunately.
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 15:26
QUOTE (CoolFiltered @ Feb 12 2010, 16:24)

I wont comment on the bashers, but i agree with you on the rest, as someone said elsewhere, it seems like only 2 drivers have had serious off's, and the other one is a certain Mr Gronholm, I think some people may be expecting to much, Kimi's on a very steep learning curve, he'll get there but it wont be instantaneous.

Grönholm actually had engine problems, it died on him. But Petter Solberg had a big off at SS1 and during the event many have been off.
Desdirodeabike
Feb 12 2010, 15:27
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Feb 12 2010, 16:24)

'Average', that is you. You can call Kimi whatever you want, but not 'average'. Not when it comes to driving. Fact is, an 'average' driver hardly get further than club level. An average basher can reach much further though, unfortunately.
+10
grunge
Feb 12 2010, 15:34
SS6: Big problems for Gronholm and Raikkonen
Finnish superstars Marcus Gronholm and Kimi Raikkonen both suffered serious setbacks on the sixth stage of Rally Sweden, with Gronholm losing 12 minutes because of a technical problem and Raikkonen getting stuck in a snow bank for 25 minutes.
Gronholm was first to hit trouble, 2.3km from the start line, when his Stobart Team Ford Focus was brought to a halt by a suspected electrical fault. The Finn managed to get going again and complete the stage, but a stage time 12 minutes slower than SS6 winner Jari-Matti Latvala's dropped him from sixth to 30th place.
Raikkonen's problems occurred later in the stage, just a couple of kilometres before the finish, when he drove his Citroen Junior Team C4 WRC into a snow bank and got stuck. Like Gronholm he eventually managed to get going again, but the incident meant he completed the stage more than 26 minutes slower than Latvala. The Finn, who was 10th overall on SS5, dropped out of the top 30.
Jari-Matti Latvala's stage winning performance was his first of the rally, and came after the Finn made set-up adjustments to his Ford Focus RS WRC. "We raised the ride height and the difference was incredible - it was a different car to drive!" he said.
Sebastien Loeb set the second fastest time, and moved up to second overall, but said the drive had not been a smooth one: "The surface is extremely hard and rough. There were lot of impacts under the car," he explained.
Dani Sordo slipped to third after setting the fourth fastest time. The Spaniard was 6.5sec slower than Latvala and arrived at the stop control concerned that his car had seemed down on power for the final two kilometres.
Mikko Hirvonen held his rally leading position, albeit by a slimmer margin of 5.1sec, and seemed relaxed about the state of his tyres. "They don't seem too bad for the moment," he said.
JamesHunt
Feb 12 2010, 15:45
Hirvonen the fastest in ss7 too...
Sisplatin
Feb 12 2010, 15:46
Sammyosammy
Feb 12 2010, 15:49
QUOTE (JamesHunt @ Feb 12 2010, 15:45)

Hirvonen the fastest in ss7 too...
Yeah, now we just have to wait will there be some kind of tactical moves (which I do SO hate) in the last short SS.
That, of course, depends on the roads, wheather and things like that tomorrow..
craftverk
Feb 12 2010, 15:49
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Feb 12 2010, 15:24)

'Average', that is you. You can call Kimi whatever you want, but not 'average'. Not when it comes to driving. Fact is, an 'average' driver hardly get further than club level. An average basher can reach much further though, unfortunately.
chill out

I wasn't calling him average if you even read what I said - keep your overemotional outbursts to yourself
Desdirodeabike
Feb 12 2010, 15:54
QUOTE (craftverk @ Feb 12 2010, 16:49)

chill out

I wasn't calling him average if you even read what I said

Sure sounded like you did. But no harm, no foul

And for the record - he is an exceptional talent.
Sammyosammy
Feb 12 2010, 15:56
QUOTE (craftverk @ Feb 12 2010, 15:49)

chill out

I wasn't calling him average if you even read what I said - keep your overemotional outbursts to yourself

Hmm, actually I didn´t take it that way..
Hairpin
Feb 12 2010, 15:58
QUOTE (craftverk @ Feb 12 2010, 16:49)

chill out

I wasn't calling him average if you even read what I said - keep your overemotional outbursts to yourself

I'm cool. I am not even a Kimi fan, although I like him. I think he is an exceptional talent. I also think you will find very few Kimi "fans" that think he is average, it would be kind of contradictory. So, what was your point?
Spunout
Feb 12 2010, 16:00
QUOTE (craftverk @ Feb 12 2010, 16:18)

I wasn't calling him average if you even read what I said
QUOTE (craftverk @ Feb 12 2010, 16:18)

of course, but then the Kimi fans treat Raikkonen as an exceptional talent rather than being average right?
Compare this to:
of course, but then again *** fans treat craftverk as serious poster rather than pathetic basher, right?
JamesHunt
Feb 12 2010, 16:01
Is just me or is Ogier underpeforming ? anyone ?
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