Alonso(about Massa situation in Australia):


Alonso-massa

If you were watching Free Practice you'd've seen that Kobayashi went off at turn 12. There was 50 mins 40 secs left of the practice when the incident happened. Red flag came out with 49.17 seconds of the session left. Schumacher continued at full speed for a further 14 seconds after this.

Here are the regulations:

4.1.2 Flag signals to be used at observation posts:

a) Red flag:

This should be shown waved only on instruction from the Clerk of the Course when it becomes necessary to stop a practice session or the race. All drivers are required to slow down immediately and proceed to the pit lane (or the place foreseen by the regulations of the Event), and must be prepared to stop if necessary. Overtaking is not permitted.

I don't hate schumacher, I'm glad to see him back but the fact remains he totally disregarded the red flag and should be punished accordingly.

Apologies. Will halt discussion.

You conviniently left out the second part of the quote; "Mis neumáticos estaban ya bastante tocados y tampoco estaba en condiciones de pasarle". In a loose translation;
"My tires were already gonne and I wouldn't be able to pass him." Straight from the horse's mouth. Will this admission from Alonso himself stop the wacky theories that he could even win the race if it was not for team orders ? I doubt it.

No.

Thank you for your honesty.

Yes, the only dishonest people since Australia GP have been Massa's.

I can't wait for malaysia to hear some more excuses when alonso finishes behind massa

It certainly would be cool to see Alonso charging Kubica but those laps where he was pressed by Hamilton and Webber were fantastic to see.

It's one of those things like Button and Hamilton - regardless of where Alonso/Hamilton finish in relation to their team mates, they're still siginificantly faster.

ill remind u of this post come sunday evening....
we all know what an EXCELLENT driver massa is in the wet......

Why can't Massa just realize he is just Ruben's replacement as the number 2 dog at Ferrari?

I can't wait for Malaysia to hear some more excuses when Massa finishes behind Alonso.

1b!

Just the way I feel mate. Heck Massa could win and I'd have to shut up lol

Why are you making a big deal out of this. Red flag came out at turn 15 so he didn't have time to enter the pits. The reason why he didn't pit was because he didn't have enough time to notice the red flag situation so he then continued until he crossed the line...

You are so sad that you are crying about those 14 seconds not to mention schumacher didn't have those 14 seconds, he didn't notice the red flag a tenth after it had come out did he? All schumacher did was go though the last turn and kept his foot in it until he crossed the line which is half way down the straight. Big deal...

Bigger deal should be made that alonso blocked schumi at his last lap in Q3. That is a far more important than disobeying 14 secs of red flag.

Not to mention it was free practise

1.- Massa drives embarrasingly like he did in Australia
2.- Massa finish ahead of Fernando, Alonso's people wouldn't try to find any excuses
3.- Alonso finish ahead of Massa, you all masseros will quick find loads of shit to justify him


In any case I can't wait for Malaysia to see how you make a fool of yourself.

take your time, until then you're doing a great job at it
I may learn some new tricks

last time around when it was wet he got a great start, gained a lot of positions and did not end up last like his rain measter team mate

lets take a look at "the rainmaster" alonso's record in heavy rain with bridgestone tires :

- japan 2007 : crashed in the wall
- monaco 2008 : crashed two times iirc, once into heidfled
- silverstone 2008 : 6th
- italy 2008 : qualified 8th, finished 4th
- malaysia 2009 : finished 11th, 1'40" down the leader after 31 laps
- china 2009 : finished 9th

Maybe I missed some but anyway, this gives me hope that if there is rain this weekend we will not see a "massacrato", even though "we all know what an EXCELLENT driver massa is in the wet...... "

Passed Massa for the win; Germany 2007.

You are not supposed to bring those up. Alonso is "best wet driver" , "most complete package" and "best driver of the current pack...by far".

Shame on you.

And what if he doesn't? Will we see excuses from you, in that case?

Just saying, people are wrong to write off Massa, but to write off *Alonso*?! C'mon now. Thats just stupid. Alonso has been quite strong at Malaysia in the past. He looks comfortable in the car, and its certainly not unreasonable to think Alonso might get one over on Massa this weekend. I think you need to settle down, relax and accept the possibility that Massa might have a real tough challenge this year. Tougher than Kimi, in all likelihood.

For a second I thought I was in the Jenson and Lewis thread, but something seemed off ...

I'll just move along now....

Actually he spun out.


Again, took a trip off track, which cost him points.

Remember the very same race where Felipe got up to 3rd IIRC in a dog Ferrari. Alonso has shown nothing to deserve a 'regen master' status.

Exactly, only his fanboys seems to think that way

Basically it's the same wherever you turn.

Amazing how fast threads can deteriorate isn't it? And here I was deciding that this was the most "mature" forum to register and start posting after almost half a year of read-only-non-member lurking

Surely an innocent mistake that Ramses missed that race. I mean, for sure!

I did mention "alonso's record in heavy rain" , on purpose

Massa spun 6!!!!! times in one race. I think that must be some sort of record

Hey, guys. Don't forget that regardless personal driver ability to perform on wet tracks, rain always brings a degree of uncertainty that could affect any driver. I agree they usually are exciting races but given current performance of Ferraris in comparison to other cars, I'm of the opinion a dry race would fit Ferrari's interest better.

So we have concluded that both Massa and Alonso are not world class when it comes to driving in rain

The Real Rain Meister is in the sliver car...with red helmet

There is no driver on the current grid who is the best in the rain. Many drivers have shown awesome drives in the rain, but they've all disappointed in wet races aswell.

Alonso got a terrible start in the wet while his much lesser paid team mate shot ahead of him and stayed ahead all race. Last weekend Massa outqualified Alonso and finished one place behind after being jumped by Alonso at the start while defending from Hamilton.

It's not that Alonso is a bad driver. He's a double WDC and considered one of the best drivers of all time. It's just that Massa is not as bad as people make him out to be (especially the people who like to slag off his former team mate, the one who earned pretty much what his current team mate earns).

The results, as they say, speak for themselves.

Pos Driver Points
1 Fernando Alonso 37
2 Felipe Massa 33
3 Jenson Button 31
4 Lewis Hamilton 23
5 Nico Rosberg 20
6 Robert Kubica 18
7 Sebastian Vettel 12
8 Michael Schumacher 9
9 Vitantonio Liuzzi 8
10 Mark Webber 6
11 Rubens Barrichello 5

not even Schumy?? strange

Coz all drivers have bad race in dry track conditions aswell....does that mean they are not best in dry ??

There haven't been that many wet races so it's more difficult to get any valuable data from them.

It's still a lot about equipment. Like, why didn't Schumacher win at Hungary in 2006 then, if he's really the rainmaster?

Answer: For most part of the race, his Bridgestone tyres didn't have the right temperature to perform well, and when they did, they got destroyed too quickly and he retired while defending on them.

The same thing counts for other drivers in other rain races. And any driver, how good he might be, can aquaplane off in wet conditions.

what you are saying is correct....but that doesnt mean these very same drivers can pull something out of their bag

Remember China 2006 quly....only person with Bstones to even come to Q3 and qulify 6th
And beating the micheliens in the race was even more sweet......thats the differnce i am talking about
Other examples are Spain 96, Spa 2000, Indy 200 ...etc etc etc etc i can go on and on

Same with Alonso....he has a bad race in canada 2007 in dry....and will you label him as not the best in dry??

So anyone with right equipment can win....so will my grandma be able to win a race with Schumy's early 2000 cars?

Frankly speaking the car is ONE of the factor....but saying that IT IS THE ONLY factor is stupidity

I don't know why you're implying I said anything like 'the only factor', and that it's stupidity, as the only thing I mentioned was that it's 'a lot about' equipment.

I'm sure you know all the races Schumacher has performed well in the wet, but do you know those of others? Else you'll never be able to make a decision on the best wet weather driver based on valid arguments.

I thought that didn't matter back when Kimi was braking consecutive fastest laps records and finishing behind Massa, it "clearly" meant that Kimi sucked and Massa was just better!! Surely, now it should be judged the same? ooops, sorry, Alonso didn't get the fastest lap...my bad

In a race where conserving the tyres had was so obviously important for results you expect him to be doing qualifying laps while fighting through the grid?

Ya I know my question is unrepliable by you guys so you had to just pick on my joke

Who the f*ck are you to telling me who I support and how? You are no-one, but I'll explain that specially for you. I am Ferrari fan since 1998. It actually was all about Schumi, but I was very happy when Eddie or Rubens were winning. 2007, Schumi is gone, but Ferrari is still there in my hearth. I started to cheer for Felipe in 2008, as for me it's really strange NOT to have favourite driver. When we knew about Fernando coming to Ferrari I thought, and still think, it was wrong decision, but I'm happy with him scoring wins and podiums for Scuderia. 2010, Schumi is back in Mercedes, I don't care. Are you satisfied now?



Facts are, I posted what I heard, with no will to stir things up. If you don't understand this, maybe you should learn English, because I am worried about situation within team, not about my favourite driver.

And BTW. soooo much hate, maybe you should chill out?



All we know is that in both wet races last year Fernando spun, while Felipe retired from superb drive in China after electronic glitch, and in Malaysia he half-spun, but masterfully corected it (as you can see on race edit on f1.com), when Fernando on the same lap, AFAIK in the same corner, was in gravel. Also in Malaysia during 5 laps when they were on same tyres, Felipe was 7.5 seconds faster than Fred. In China, in 12 laps Fernando lost to Felipe 13 seconds.

And yeah, yeah, Britain 2008, but we can say the same thing about Fred in Monaco 2008.

Good post.

If you would have been a Ferrari fan maybe you would have understood that to be in front, Ferrari needs a really good driver. So far Felipe brought nothing to Ferrari in 2007 and 2008, when I'm now starting to believe they had a better car than McLaren. Fernando coming to Ferrari you thought, and you still think that it was wrong decision. If Fernando will not be good then there are others that can be choose (Vettel, Kubica, Hammy), because in any case Felipe is not the solution my friend. Ferrari needs a really talented driver now.

A truly Ferrari fan doesn't have bad feelings about Alonso because he beat Michael in 2006 or bad feelings about Kimi cause he replaced Michael at Ferrari(and because of those things has started to support Felipe). A truly Ferrari fan put the team first and he realize that because Massa is not the solution then something must be changed. As I said if Fernando will not be up there, he must be replaced too. Those Shumi fans(like u were) that have/had bad feelings about Alonso/Kimi and wanted Massa to beat Kimi and they now want Massa to beat Alonso are only frustrated Shumi fans and not tifosis. Because if Massa will beat Alonso, Ferrari will win nothing this year, trust me. Massa is not the solution for a winning team. He has not the talent required to be a successfully world champions in many years like Shumi had and this is what this team needs. A driver that they can trust not one that they tell him how to drive the car in turn 14 or 15 or whatever.

You are just an old Shumi fan converted into an Massa fan. Not the only one here....



No hate, just don't translate what @Italiano tifoso said in lies please, just to prove how poor Felipe is a victim of Santander, Luca Domenecalli, Ferrari team and all the world.

Glad I don't support any team. The necessary requirements seem really tough. Or wait, no, never mind, it's just your opinion of what the requirements should be...

If you knew anything about F1, you would have understood that to be in front, Ferrari needs a really good car.