It wasn't temperature alone, It was cooler by 4 degrees according to f1.com in Practice 3 and Alonso was 6 tenths faster(1:54.099) in that session than his Q3 time.

First grats to Massa, good job.

best times today:

Alonso 1:54.172
Massa 1:54.242

So, it was an Alonso´s mistake in the 2nd sector.

Anyway,i repeat, very well, massa!

Shows how bad Piquet was and that Massa is pretty good.

It's meaningless to compare practice with q3. From q2 to q3 the temperature dropped 8 degrees and Alonso lost 0.436.

Good point about tomorrow - and good to remember that it isn't only between Massa and Alonso.

Mistake no mistake...who cares.Massa was nearly .5 secs faster.Alonso on the way to become another Kimi at Ferrari??

The difference also is

Q2 - Qualifying setup
Q3 - Race setup

Yes, but when it mattered....

Massa 1:54.242
Alonso 1:54.608

This is exactly what i hope !!! With a large tank of fuel,the first corner is very dangerous.And Vettel is a famous poor starter. As a McLaren fan, I hope Ferrari drivers can force Vettel to destroy his tyres.Then Lewis may have some chances to be on the podium. Anyway,good luck,Ferrari. I just don't want to see Redbull wins

LOL

Maybe we should start the "Replace Alonso with Vettel so he can bring the promise to Ferrari" thread?

Why because Vettel is kicking Webber's ass?...what was the gap 1 sec

Well, tomorrow the winner will be either Vettel or Alonso.

My guess is that Alonso will jumpstart Massa, being Felipe in dirty side.
Fernando racecraft will be the typical fiercely one.
RBR will degrade rear tyres earlier than Ferrari and Fernando will be P1 after first tyre change pitstop.
My only doubt with this scenario is that Renault engine consumption will help Sebastian to have a significative lighter car (10-15 kgs) during whole GP,so he will be lighter, his tyres will get less wear and resist the whole GP in P1.

Ferrari and Fernando anyway were saying after Barcelona that RBR was the best car by 2 tenths anyway.

I think his fans will be happy to be "another Kimi" at Ferrari, WDC championship in 1st year and 3rd in the second ....

p.s. take this with a little bit of humour

And fired in the third?

Maybe Massa made a mistake in Q2?

Vettel was also about 0.5 second slower in Q3 btw.

So Kimi fans are now trying to equate being out qualified once to being beaten for 2 years?. You guys really are desperate. Its Alonso's first race for the team and he made a mistake and did a really slow S2. Come and talk at the end of the season if Massa whips Alonso like he did Kimi.

Hey, he might even manage to beat Kimi and get fired the 2nd

I mean, he does hold the record for being fired from McLaren after the 1st

I was reffering only to the things that Alonso fans will be happy in being called "another Kimi at Ferrari".

Actually, I'm not really a fan of any of these drivers. To be completely honest, I'm just being an A**, really. I mean, it was pretty funny to read all the anti Raikkonen coments based on the fact that Massa did well against Raikkonen, so obviously Raikkonen = crap. It seems like you guys had it all figured out with the math and all

[(MS = faster than Massa)= (Massa = faster than Raikkonen)] (Alonso = faster than MS) = (Alonso = .6 tenths) = (faster than Massa) = (Raikkonen = Crap) = (Alonso WDC) or some equation along those lines LOL.

It was really stupid, really, people who don't understand much about the sport.

I don't read much from this result so far, but you have to admit, it's actually pretty funny. Massa is a formidable opponent, people need to understand that, and losing to him does not belittle Fernando at all. I just thought I'd give some people a taste of their own medicine

Impressive lap from Massa. Great to see him back strong from his accident.

Still, as Schumacher said tomorrow's race is long and the season even longer. I'm sure this thread has plenty of life in it

You'd expect a little more from 'the complete package', surely. Santander payed a lot of money to have him in the car, and yet he's proving to be less effective than the 'fired' guy who dominated his first Ferrari race from pole.

sour grapes ehh rodrigo lol

Puh-lease! It's 1 qualifying session. 1!

Good point.

when did they make the switch?

It seems this thread is more about Alonso haters than Massa supporters.

It is going to be a long season and I guess this thread will be revised accordingly.

Massa hasn't driven in qualy/race since Hungary, he's been in a coma, recovered well and got back on top.


I think he has to win 2/3 WDC before some haters would give him some credit or appreciate him

of course it is, nobody wrote here during the weekend until the q3 when massa's outpaced fernando

Definitely no room for such mistakes but apparently Alonso said he didn't make a mistake and was more focused on the race, so that could explain why Massa was so much faster suddenly when he was behind all the time. We will see tomorrow anyway, but I worried faster cars will get stuck and not be able to overtake.

It is too early to jump the gun.

Alonso was the fastest Ferrari in all qualy sessions. However, Massa was the better racer.

Massa is a fantastic driver, but it is too early to say he is "crushing" Alonso.

Again, it will be a long season...

I hope this thread will be as civil as the Kimi x Massa was but I'm afraid you guys are going to be very busy with the delete key.

Sure Massa is doing a great job, but at the same time why trash Alonso?

Wow. This thread will be absolutely crazy

One qualifying session and people already go berserk.

I won't understand it either
but you have it in all these "versus" threads.

if the race will be the other way some people will throw "revange trash" and so on

Exactly. Alonso fans and Massa fans should be happy that Ferrari is where they are at. Otherwise, both drivers will be fighting at the back for a point or two like last season. The "mine is 1 mm longer than yours" fight is so stupid at this point of the season.

Great job Massa

Decent job Alonso


H2H

Tomorrow the start will be very important. If Hammy will past Fred then the things will become difficult for Fred. Trough, he can past Massa also.

Dude i'm here eating popcorn (dry-roast nuts actually) reading as both sides have such passionate fans; will be one to watch this thread for sure...

also massa can pass vettel

Great job for Massa!! Alonso did great too, but I heard on Speedtv that Massa is still struggling with form (physical) so I fear for his race pace - OTOH, he can only improve from now on! To beat Alonso by .4, that's a lot! Very happy for him - that's how you show you've recovered.

So yes, I bet on him to beat Alonso this year (not based on this qualy, but for what I rate Massa as a driver) . Although I'm a big fan of Alonso as a racer, I'll be supporting Massa until the guy gets a WDC. Then he won't be the underdog anymore, so then will see.



Cheers,

4l3x.

This thread is the perfect example of why its best to cheer for the car rather than the bloke in the seat.

It's funny watching you lot spew figures and piss on each other over nuances and minutiae. It's nothing but noise. The only important thing is Ferrari has a competitive car with two capable and motivated drivers.

Agree.

If either of them wins tomorrow I'll be more then happy for him.

I'm not trashing Alonso, where did you get that maybe I didn't write it very clear. All I meant was that Massa is the type of driver that it's not fully appreciated at his true value. That 's why I said that maybe only after winning several WDCs he might be appreciated as a top driver by some haters.




P.S.Look at Button, he's WDC but some people don't rate him very well at all

How skewed memory, when Kimi and Massa matched each other, they both sucked terribly and held ferrari back, Now Felipe beating Alonso means they are both great.

Just saying

Alonso is in 3rd place

Massa
Alonso

It's not that complicated, I prefer Alonso for the WDC but if Massa is faster and beats Fernando good for him. Today we know nothing more than yesterday, it's going to be a tight battle, we'll see who makes less mistakes during the season.

Very sure Pole or Second place was possible for Alonso, but something happened on his last run. Still I take nothing away from Vettel.

I have to say that Fred did seem somewhat peeved to be third.



His scowling and drawn expression, and lack of social interaction with the other drivers while weighing in, really made him seem shocked and even angry.
He certainly didn't look pleased or relaxed about qualifying third, and behind his team-mate.
The Hamilton thing all over again - this wasn't supposed to happen!
In contrast, Felipe-baby seemed genuinely happy with second (and ahead of his team-mate).

Fred looked far and away the least happy of the top ten at the weigh-in.
Much less happy even than MS - who was prepared to play to the cameras after being spotted taking a close look at the left hand side of the inside of the McLaren cockpit!

I'm afraid that Fred looks to me as though he is going to consolidate his reputation as Mr Grumpy.

Its going to be VERY interesting to see if Stefano can keep everyone playing for the team ...

jeeezzzz...unbelievable!!! furthermore when fernando wore the helmet all the time have a look at all the gloom and doom http://www.lasextadeportes.com/formula1/no...al_podio/218591