This is the way to create a bubble company which actually does nothing but goes farting on the corner between the dust. You have Team ferrari? Good on ya, Do you have legacy, excitement and the support which Scuderia Ferrari has? No way, kid. You may have a name but fans know more than that.

Well you could argue the same about Team Lotus couldn't you?

No I do not think so. Far from it, actually.


Some one register New Yoak Times.com, the other register Timez.com and the other Team Lamborghini, with empty hands, with some hope that some day someone will buy the name with what 300 USD? The tought is as cheap as Chinese copy of Lotus cars or Rolex used be sold at the Brandenburgertor.

Yeah but above you were arguing that all a Team Ferrari team would have would be the name, but surely you could say this about 1Malaysia/Air Asia F1 as well. I mean they have the Team Lotus name which they then brand their car with but I don't see how it has the 'legacy, excitement or support' of Lotus, yes TF might be a big Lotus fan, but it's still just stickers on a car at the end of the day, it's not like the car was lovingly designed by Lotus technicians at Lotus HQ. If anything Group Lotus have more of a stake given they make the production cars. At the end of the day though I think neither are really Lotus, it's all just branding.

you are making one big mistake, captain Jack. The car is designed wth the guys who ever worked with Team Lotus. From Wiki



Not only that, Gascoyne is pretty much, at least to me, a fellow who can be as original as Champman was.

There already is a seperation between the race team and the manufacturer that go by the name of Ferrari: Scuderia Ferrari S.p.A. and Ferrari S.p.A.

And between McLaren Racing and McLaren Automotive...

Terrible thing of Current Lotus cars is that the new models are IDENTICAL to the Lamborghini Estoque; in its Front Mask composition, in its front lamp works, in its side profiles. It looks like they are making IP infringement to the authorship of Lamborghini as well. Should Audi/VAG/Lamborghini start court case against Lotus cars?

If they have reason to believe so... didn't Lotus try to copyright the shape of a supercar a few years ago? They were claiming that the Lotus Espirit was used as a template for most supercars since, and were trying to claim back what they 'were owed' for doing that??? The way the company is acting now I wouldn't be surprised. I heard that story on Top Gear I think...

Still under the umbrella of the same holding/group company though.

One ex-employee with some work history at Lotus isn't much to hang one's hat on, I wonder how many people working at Lotus the car company have connections with Team Lotus in ye olden days, I'd bet there would be more.

As for originality, well I don't see how you can be original whilst using someone else's brand, certainly Chapman didn't start out license other people's brands. If we want to go on about the spirit of Lotus, well wouldn't that be to do you own thing.

But we have BMW and BMW Sauber. Anyway, probably the latter changes its name for next year.

You are kind of late at this.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/bmw-saub...2011-21726.html

Well Tony and co are authentic in a sense that they are devoted to what Team Lotus was will be and has been, entrenching their act with sincere intentions and most of all they are willing to attribute their personal work to what Team Lotus could mean, beyond his/her individualistic fame, achievements and collection of monetary rewards.

So do you wish to be original because you want to be rich? Would you wish to identify yourself because you hope to prove your personal superiority?

Still there is nothing wrong to wish to be authentic to your dream.

Please take all discussion on whether Lotus should be called Lotus here.

But Lotus Cars is a much bigger firm. The main connection with Team Lotus of old, of who is now at Lotus Cars, will be John Miles. I would think he will still be doing a bit of test driving. His 12 Grand Prix starts in 1969/70 were on the ball and he gained a tenth place in the 1969 British GP, fifth place finish in the 1970 Argentine GP, 7th in the Dutch GP & 8th in the French GP.

Chapman separated Group Lotus and Team Lotus for a reason. He never wanted his racing team's security to be jeopardized by the car division's fiscal health. I'm certain once the marketing strategy is over (or Group Lotus goes bankrupt), Group Lotus will sell off its minority stake in the Enstone team.

On the other hand, they could embrace Fernandes and Team Lotus. Fernandes has the financial muscle and business savvy to see Team Lotus thrive once again. It's so disappointing.

Let me put it in this way then, Captain...

Genii is not Renault. Everyone knows that. Do you accuse Genii refused to be original. why?
Sam Michael is not Frank Williams, but he is celebrated by Frank, Patrick and all the other who are running the outfit. He is running tech side of Williams Grand Prix.
Ron Dennis has little to do with who Bruce Maclaren was in terms of his blood origin. But he brought the intention of Bruce Maclaren to the level he himself was not capable of the given time.
Luca de Montezemolo is not a real child of Enzo Ferrari, still he heads the outfit.
Bernie Ecclestone initially did not started the formula One racing. But his acts has made what is now Formula One possible.
Carlos Ghosn is not the initiator of the Renault Company, so he is nor original to Renault Brand.
...

Keep on coming. Where is your originality arguments respected by the above mentioned individuals? In my view it is about authenticity and/or business strategy in the case of Genii. Do anyone put the same critical stance to their act in the same way as you are on Lotus Racing? I have not hear the thing about it.

agreed?

Sorry, guys, if I missed the discussion about it. But did anybody here fool around with this yet (I think so, because that announcement is a week old)?

http://www.lotusracing.my/media/299823/whi...%20template.jpg

They say only black and gold. Unfortunately I'm not a photoshop guy, but I'd like to see what other folks can do with it (well, if you're afraid that anybody will steal it, just watermark it).

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7357...id=292309963464

Design Our 2011 Livery - first propositions:

http://www.lotusracing.my/gallery/black-gold.aspx

^There are some quite good ones on there. Its going to be a hard task to top the yellow and green of the T127 though.

Norwich Evening News has two articles where Mike Gascoyne tells about the team's plans for the 2011 season:
Lotus Racing will not leave Hingham site and No Kers for Lotus Racing at start of 2011 F1 season.

A very good line by Gaocoyne.

KERS should mean to let the car save fuel hence a lighter car, correct?

I would imagine that no KERS would mean that the T128 is lighter than it's competitors, but I guess any true advantage they gain is negated when another car has KERS.

the minimum weight is higher now than in 2009, also with the fixed weight distribution for 2011, and the evolution of the system (lighter) the disadvantages we saw in 2009 will be almost eliminated, and not using kers will be a higher disadvantage then it was, I think

but for a car that is so further back, there are more important areas to be improved, so the decision makes sense,

I doubt Virigin, HRT or STR will use KERS so for that reason Lotus shouldnt loose out. However, the moment one of them team does get KERS, Lotus should consider it. The startline addvantage is crucial, and although people say F1 isnt won or lost at the first corner, often it can be.

Lotus wanted to move into the mid field, meaning that Gascoyne thinks that he can beat Williams, FI and the like with no KERS? That is an amazing statement.

He will, for sure.

Williams I hope not, but STR I'm sure Lotus will beat them, and probably FI too.

When you have a small kitchen its best to focus on getting the cake to rise first before worrying about the icing

^What a wonderful analogy!

Wait and see. I do think that they have head to make the car roll on fast

Still.. Like pat S say, the battle between Lotus and Virgin will be heating up the next year. Should we expect Virgin to beat STR as well? I do tend to say yes, with a big nod, therefore the tension between Virgin, Lotus, STR, FI and .. the rest will raise... Should be a good season as we might expect leveled battle at the top as well.

http://www.lotusracing.my/news/interview-w...eith-saunt.aspx

great comfort in reading the news at the autosport news page.