I thought MS´s performance was more than encouraging. I wasn´t expecting him to be this competitive in the first few races, afterall, he´s been away for 3 years. We know Nico is blindingly fast (that´s why Merc wanted him in their car), so for Michael to be this close to him after the first day, is nothing short of brilliant.
If the Merc isn´t unduly hard on it´s tyres, they must have a very real shot at both being on the podium.
I would say Ferrari look the biggest threat on todays form.
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QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Mar 12 2010, 12:20) 
I wouldn't rate either that highly, but you'd have to say Kubica's win (gifted, nevertheless) might just give him the edge.
A driver of MS' caliber HAS to be quicker than Rosberg..
A driver of MS' caliber HAS to be quicker than Rosberg..
I have no problem with your concept, but perhaps it would be foolish to run conclusions based on FP. It is possible that both drivers were running cars in different configurations, which skewed results. Possibility also exist that Nico R. will be initially faster of two, but I would wait a while, before I am convinced that Michael has fallen back for good.
QUOTE (MiPe @ Mar 12 2010, 17:29)
I have no problem with your concept, but perhaps it would be foolish to run conclusions based on FP. It is possible that both drivers were running cars in different configurations, which skewed results. Possibility also exist that Nico R. will be initially faster of two, but I would wait a while, before I am convinced that Michael has fallen back for good.
The times could obviously be misleading. My opinion was based on Ted Kravitz's reports this morning about MS being somewhat annoyed in the garage, waving hands about and requesting many changes. That's quite telling IMO. He won't be happy to be slower than anyone, let alone Rosberg.
But I'm sure MS will end up quicker when it matters...
Bare in mind Nico was fast at this track on his debut as well, I think this track is likely one of his favorites, it's a good early wake up call for MS, but with no refueling, race set up preparation means alot at this time, it's good to see MS admit one lap runs need improving, remember he's had far less testing then he would usually would have done up until now. For practice, it was ideal, but saturday is a different world, everyone is still learning.
QUOTE (SeanValen @ Mar 12 2010, 17:39)
Bare in mind Nico
Your perversions have no limits.
QUOTE (primer @ Mar 12 2010, 18:47)
Your perversions have no limits.
???
QUOTE (SeanValen @ Mar 12 2010, 18:39)
Bare in mind Nico was fast at this track on his debut as well, I think this track is likely one of his favorites, it's a good early wake up call for MS, but with no refueling, race set up preparation means alot at this time, it's good to see MS admit one lap runs need improving, remember he's had far less testing then he would usually would have done up until now. For practice, it was ideal, but saturday is a different world, everyone is still learning.
And Schumacher was pretty slow there compared to the rest of the 06 season
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/ergeb/2006/01/51.shtml
QUOTE (ex Rhodie racer 2 @ Mar 12 2010, 18:27)
I thought MS´s performance was more than encouraging. I wasn´t expecting him to be this competitive in the first few races, afterall, he´s been away for 3 years. We know Nico is blindingly fast (that´s why Merc wanted him in their car), so for Michael to be this close to him after the first day, is nothing short of brilliant.
If the Merc isn´t unduly hard on it´s tyres, they must have a very real shot at both being on the podium.
I would say Ferrari look the biggest threat on todays form.
If the Merc isn´t unduly hard on it´s tyres, they must have a very real shot at both being on the podium.
I would say Ferrari look the biggest threat on todays form.
I agree. Michael was not bad today. But neither good. If the gap 0.5s will stay between him and Rossi it would be a total disaster. Hope he could make Q3.
Found this on PlanetF1:
Noticed this interesting snippet on Joe Saward's blog.
Quote:
There are also rumours that there is a certain amount of friction inside Mercedes GP as the data of the two cars is not being shared as it is in other teams. I did not see Ross Brawn today so I have not had the chance to ask.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/...ock-in-bahrain/
Noticed this interesting snippet on Joe Saward's blog.
Quote:
There are also rumours that there is a certain amount of friction inside Mercedes GP as the data of the two cars is not being shared as it is in other teams. I did not see Ross Brawn today so I have not had the chance to ask.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/...ock-in-bahrain/
QUOTE (FlashMaster @ Mar 12 2010, 19:00)
And Schumacher was pretty slow there compared to the rest of the 06 season
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/ergeb/2006/01/51.shtml
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/ergeb/2006/01/51.shtml
im gonna say my word after the race and i hope some of here will eat their words. just watched an interview with Schumi on RTL and he was so relaxed and happy and smiling like he had got the fastest time today and Nico wasnt happy looking at all. i wont be surprised if Nico will be faster than Schumi in first 3 races but then after that i expect Schumi will go his own way.
QUOTE (gaston_foix @ Mar 12 2010, 19:10)
Found this on PlanetF1:
Noticed this interesting snippet on Joe Saward's blog.
Quote:
There are also rumours that there is a certain amount of friction inside Mercedes GP as the data of the two cars is not being shared as it is in other teams. I did not see Ross Brawn today so I have not had the chance to ask.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/...ock-in-bahrain/
Noticed this interesting snippet on Joe Saward's blog.
Quote:
There are also rumours that there is a certain amount of friction inside Mercedes GP as the data of the two cars is not being shared as it is in other teams. I did not see Ross Brawn today so I have not had the chance to ask.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/...ock-in-bahrain/
well it's joe saward...who claimed williams is the second best team next to mcl...
QUOTE (soca @ Mar 12 2010, 19:13)
im gonna say my word after the race and i hope some of here will eat their words. just watched an interview with Schumi on RTL and he was so relaxed and happy and smiling like he had got the fastest time today and Nico wasnt happy looking at all. i wont be surprised if Nico will be faster than Schumi in first 3 races but then after that i expect Schumi will go his own way.
I think we all need to take this approach really. I mean after being away for three years and then already doing this well is pretty much good. And i think people here need to realise that quali is a whole other thing then the actual race.
And it's still the race where you take the points.
QUOTE (gaston_foix @ Mar 12 2010, 18:10)
Found this on PlanetF1:
Noticed this interesting snippet on Joe Saward's blog.
Quote:
There are also rumours that there is a certain amount of friction inside Mercedes GP as the data of the two cars is not being shared as it is in other teams. I did not see Ross Brawn today so I have not had the chance to ask.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/...ock-in-bahrain/
Noticed this interesting snippet on Joe Saward's blog.
Quote:
There are also rumours that there is a certain amount of friction inside Mercedes GP as the data of the two cars is not being shared as it is in other teams. I did not see Ross Brawn today so I have not had the chance to ask.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/...ock-in-bahrain/
if that's true it doesn't surprise me, he's taken nico's number, taken his side of the garage and now it looks like he's taking his data as well. If i was nico i'd blow him away for the first 3 races then walk before he has a chance to engineer any more of an advantage.
QUOTE (Boing 2 @ Mar 12 2010, 13:37)
if that's true it doesn't surprise me, he's taken nico's number, taken his side of the garage and now it looks like he's taking his data as well. If i was nico i'd blow him away for the first 3 races then walk before he has a chance to engineer any more of an advantage.
Are you day-dreaming, or you know something rest of us don't?
Johnny Herbert said when he was Schumacher's teammate at Benetton Schumacher got to see Johnny's telemetry but MS asked the team not to let Johnny see Schumacher's. JH was disappointed the team agreed to MS's demands.
Ah come on, people are just dieing for a fall-out in this team. Not saying it won't happen, but to want it to it happen on the first day of practice seems like wishfull thinking! 
And don't forget that Rosberg put usually Williams in front in practices last year just to be nowhere near front in qualifications and races. Hope he will not repeat that trend.
What I am missing is the context of that story, and circumstances. Was this one time deal, did this happened as reciprocal action, and what is credibility of the source?
I will give you example: MS might have asked to see data, and encountered perhaps resistance from Herbert's team. At the end he might have ended up with some token, partial and irrelevant data from JH's test. Later on when JH has learned about it, he might came to Schumacher and demanded to see his telemetry and set up, which (p****d) Schumacher might have refused, based on shoddy treatment he has received earlier. Now, there is many ways how to spin it. Fact is, that I do not know what had transpired between those two, nor circumstances of it, but I have attempted to demonstrate, that accurate context is important to understand Schumacher's reaction. We all know that Herbert's racing wasn't exceptional, and he was known somewhat of a chronic complainer, so who knows where truth lies? Looking back at MS's career, I am somewhat doubtful that it has evolved on excessive dependency of his team-mate's set-up.
In 2010 I do not understand what's going on, and I have lost trust to believe without reservations all what I read from some people who were sent to Bahrain, as mud was lifted again off the ground.
It stands to a reason, I thought, that sharing data at all races is and continue to be important, because of limitations in testing. If Nico R. was testing car running on fumes, and Schumacher on a full tank, then it makes sense to me to evaluate both data sets, and draw conclusion on how to set up a car baseline. Minor tweaks that follow are unique, and each driver can have his secrets later on, if so desired.
I will give you example: MS might have asked to see data, and encountered perhaps resistance from Herbert's team. At the end he might have ended up with some token, partial and irrelevant data from JH's test. Later on when JH has learned about it, he might came to Schumacher and demanded to see his telemetry and set up, which (p****d) Schumacher might have refused, based on shoddy treatment he has received earlier. Now, there is many ways how to spin it. Fact is, that I do not know what had transpired between those two, nor circumstances of it, but I have attempted to demonstrate, that accurate context is important to understand Schumacher's reaction. We all know that Herbert's racing wasn't exceptional, and he was known somewhat of a chronic complainer, so who knows where truth lies? Looking back at MS's career, I am somewhat doubtful that it has evolved on excessive dependency of his team-mate's set-up.
In 2010 I do not understand what's going on, and I have lost trust to believe without reservations all what I read from some people who were sent to Bahrain, as mud was lifted again off the ground.
It stands to a reason, I thought, that sharing data at all races is and continue to be important, because of limitations in testing. If Nico R. was testing car running on fumes, and Schumacher on a full tank, then it makes sense to me to evaluate both data sets, and draw conclusion on how to set up a car baseline. Minor tweaks that follow are unique, and each driver can have his secrets later on, if so desired.
QUOTE (Sausage @ Mar 12 2010, 18:59)
Ah come on, people are just dieing for a fall-out in this team. Not saying it won't happen, but to want it to it happen on the first day of practice seems like wishfull thinking!
It takes the heat away from Alonso > Massa and Button > Lewis
QUOTE (MiPe @ Mar 12 2010, 19:10)
What I am missing is the context of that story, and circumstances. Was this one time deal, did this happened as reciprocal action, and what is credibility of the source?
I will give you example: MS might have asked to see data, and encountered perhaps resistance from Herbert's team. At the end he might have ended up with some token, partial and irrelevant data from JH's test. Later on when JH has learned about it, he might came to Schumacher and demanded to see his telemetry and set up, which (p****d) Schumacher might have refused, based on shoddy treatment he has received earlier. Now, there is many ways how to spin it. Fact is, that I do not know what had transpired between those two, nor circumstances of it, but I have attempted to demonstrate, that accurate context is important to understand Schumacher's reaction. We all know that Herbert's racing wasn't exceptional, and he was known somewhat of a chronic complainer, so who knows where truth lies? Looking back at MS's career, I am somewhat doubtful that it has evolved on excessive dependency of his team-mate's set-up.
I will give you example: MS might have asked to see data, and encountered perhaps resistance from Herbert's team. At the end he might have ended up with some token, partial and irrelevant data from JH's test. Later on when JH has learned about it, he might came to Schumacher and demanded to see his telemetry and set up, which (p****d) Schumacher might have refused, based on shoddy treatment he has received earlier. Now, there is many ways how to spin it. Fact is, that I do not know what had transpired between those two, nor circumstances of it, but I have attempted to demonstrate, that accurate context is important to understand Schumacher's reaction. We all know that Herbert's racing wasn't exceptional, and he was known somewhat of a chronic complainer, so who knows where truth lies? Looking back at MS's career, I am somewhat doubtful that it has evolved on excessive dependency of his team-mate's set-up.
so... rather then believe a story told by Herbert himself and not challanged by MS or Flav you decided to completely make one up to excuse MS? Herbert a complainer and not a good racer? Okay, I think that invalidates all your other point even without you making it up.
MS has a history, deal with it.
Oh my god the sky is falling!!! Schumacher was only 3rd fastest! arrrrgggghhhhhhhhhh
Get a grip.
During the race you will hear the commentator say these words: 'The fastest man on the track is Michael Schumacher'. I'd put a million quid on him being the fastest driver on the track at some stage this weekend, and it won't be long before he's up front again.
Get a grip.
During the race you will hear the commentator say these words: 'The fastest man on the track is Michael Schumacher'. I'd put a million quid on him being the fastest driver on the track at some stage this weekend, and it won't be long before he's up front again.
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Mar 12 2010, 14:15)
so... rather then believe a story told by Herbert himself and not challanged by MS or Flav you decided to completely make one up to excuse MS? Herbert a complainer and not a good racer? Okay, I think that invalidates all your other point even without you making it up.
MS has a history, deal with it.
Not in your life; not on terms you describe.
MS has a history, deal with it.
QUOTE (MiPe @ Mar 12 2010, 20:10)
What I am missing is the context of that story, and circumstances. Was this one time deal, did this happened as reciprocal action, and what is credibility of the source?
I will give you example: MS might have asked to see data, and encountered perhaps resistance from Herbert's team. At the end he might have ended up with some token, partial and irrelevant data from JH's test. Later on when JH has learned about it, he might came to Schumacher and demanded to see his telemetry and set up, which (p****d) Schumacher might have refused, based on shoddy treatment he has received earlier. Now, there is many ways how to spin it. Fact is, that I do not know what had transpired between those two, nor circumstances of it, but I have attempted to demonstrate, that accurate context is important to understand Schumacher's reaction. We all know that Herbert's racing wasn't exceptional, and he was known somewhat of a chronic complainer, so who knows where truth lies? Looking back at MS's career, I am somewhat doubtful that it has evolved on excessive dependency of his team-mate's set-up.
In 2010 I do not understand what's going on, and I have lost trust to believe without reservations all what I read from some people who were sent to Bahrain, as mud was lifted again off the ground.
It stands to a reason, I thought, that sharing data at all races is and continue to be important, because of limitations in testing. If Nico R. was testing car running on fumes, and Schumacher on a full tank, then it makes sense to me to evaluate both data sets, and draw conclusion on how to set up a car baseline. Minor tweaks that follow are unique, and each driver can have his secrets later on, if so desired.
I will give you example: MS might have asked to see data, and encountered perhaps resistance from Herbert's team. At the end he might have ended up with some token, partial and irrelevant data from JH's test. Later on when JH has learned about it, he might came to Schumacher and demanded to see his telemetry and set up, which (p****d) Schumacher might have refused, based on shoddy treatment he has received earlier. Now, there is many ways how to spin it. Fact is, that I do not know what had transpired between those two, nor circumstances of it, but I have attempted to demonstrate, that accurate context is important to understand Schumacher's reaction. We all know that Herbert's racing wasn't exceptional, and he was known somewhat of a chronic complainer, so who knows where truth lies? Looking back at MS's career, I am somewhat doubtful that it has evolved on excessive dependency of his team-mate's set-up.
In 2010 I do not understand what's going on, and I have lost trust to believe without reservations all what I read from some people who were sent to Bahrain, as mud was lifted again off the ground.
It stands to a reason, I thought, that sharing data at all races is and continue to be important, because of limitations in testing. If Nico R. was testing car running on fumes, and Schumacher on a full tank, then it makes sense to me to evaluate both data sets, and draw conclusion on how to set up a car baseline. Minor tweaks that follow are unique, and each driver can have his secrets later on, if so desired.
Four paragraphs, and all of it drivel. Congratulations!
Schumacher admits to 'rustiness' on return
Michael Schumacher said he must "raise his game" after Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg beat him in Friday practice at the season's opening grand prix.
The German legend, returning to F1 after three years in retirement, was nearly 0.5 seconds slower than Rosberg in both practice sessions in Bahrain.
"That is a bit too much for my standards. I've got to raise my game a bit and I'm sure I'm able to," he said.
Rosberg was fastest of all, 0.445secs quicker than McLaren's Lewis Hamilton.
Schumacher, who was 0.494secs behind Rosberg, had been 0.463secs slower than his team-mate in the first session in the morning.
Nico Rosberg
Afterwards, the 41-year-old seven-time world champion said: "I certainly feel a little bit rusty, certainly on the one-lap issue I can do better.
"On long runs and consistent runs things are pretty good, I'm quite happy. I will just use the rest of the weekend in order to tweak out the little bits.
"It's not a problem. It's just that for one lap I saw that Nico was four-tenths up and that is a bit too much for my standards. I've got to raise my game a bit and I'm sure I'm able to."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8563764.stm
Michael Schumacher said he must "raise his game" after Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg beat him in Friday practice at the season's opening grand prix.
The German legend, returning to F1 after three years in retirement, was nearly 0.5 seconds slower than Rosberg in both practice sessions in Bahrain.
"That is a bit too much for my standards. I've got to raise my game a bit and I'm sure I'm able to," he said.
Rosberg was fastest of all, 0.445secs quicker than McLaren's Lewis Hamilton.
Schumacher, who was 0.494secs behind Rosberg, had been 0.463secs slower than his team-mate in the first session in the morning.
Nico Rosberg
Afterwards, the 41-year-old seven-time world champion said: "I certainly feel a little bit rusty, certainly on the one-lap issue I can do better.
"On long runs and consistent runs things are pretty good, I'm quite happy. I will just use the rest of the weekend in order to tweak out the little bits.
"It's not a problem. It's just that for one lap I saw that Nico was four-tenths up and that is a bit too much for my standards. I've got to raise my game a bit and I'm sure I'm able to."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8563764.stm
QUOTE (qvn @ Mar 12 2010, 20:02)
And don't forget that Rosberg put usually Williams in front in practices last year just to be nowhere near front in qualifications and races. Hope he will not repeat that trend.
I think it depends on the program of the team. So I really believe that Nico has spare tenths..
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Mar 12 2010, 19:12)
It takes the heat away from Alonso > Massa and Button > Lewis
Lets be honest Nico beating Schumi at the end of the year would be the biggest upset in f1 this decade. I'm just glad I am going to witness it, considering it would be done in spectacular style!
cant say schumacher looked to worried in the interview it will certainly be intresting tommorow to see if he can still pull a lap from nowhere when the pressure is on
QUOTE (Owen @ Mar 12 2010, 13:56)
@FlashMaster and Sisplatin: Agreed. If it happens in qualy or the race then we can say for sure Rosberg was quicker here. For what it's worth I still genuinely expect MS to be quicker and if that isn't the case, it will be an upset to the form book.
Really would it...when Mika Hakkinen raced a F1 car after 4 years he was 5 - 6 secs off the pace....MS is slower today(both in short and long stints) but only by tenths. I think this is a great performance from him after what 7 days to get familiar with the car?
QUOTE (Rob @ Mar 12 2010, 15:27)
Johnny Herbert beat Schumacher in their first test session together. Schumacher pulled some strings, and from that point onward, Herbert wasn't allowed to see any of Schumacher's data, but Schumacher could see all of his!
It was not their first test session..it was one of their sessions.And the story goes that MS told Herbert that both will not see each others data.Now that is cleared up...Herbert himself admits he was no match for MS.
QUOTE
(Owen @ Mar 12 2010, 13:56)
@FlashMaster and Sisplatin: Agreed. If it happens in qualy or the race then we can say for sure Rosberg was quicker here. For what it's worth I still genuinely expect MS to be quicker and if that isn't the case, it will be an upset to the form book.
@FlashMaster and Sisplatin: Agreed. If it happens in qualy or the race then we can say for sure Rosberg was quicker here. For what it's worth I still genuinely expect MS to be quicker and if that isn't the case, it will be an upset to the form book.
Massa is > 0.7s faster than Alonso in the practice and nobody gives sh!t about it.
QUOTE (Owen @ Mar 12 2010, 07:48)
x7 times world champion beaten by younger team mate IS worthy of being noted surely? 
Or do we just let it pass without comment.
Or do we just let it pass without comment.
Unfortunately I don't think it matters what Nico does - there's no question in my mind that Schumacher controls ("owns") the team so it's only a matter of time before we see Nico have slight problems here and there, missed opportunities and strategies, etc.
He should resign himself to the fact that Shumacher, with Brawn's help and therefore the entire team, will not allow anyone to beat him.
IMO
QUOTE (eff1fan @ Mar 12 2010, 17:00)
Unfortunately I don't think it matters what Nico does - there's no question in my mind that Schumacher controls ("owns") the team so it's only a matter of time before we see Nico have slight problems here and there, missed opportunities and strategies, etc.
He should resign himself to the fact that Shumacher, with Brawn's help and therefore the entire team, will not allow anyone to beat him.
IMO
He should resign himself to the fact that Shumacher, with Brawn's help and therefore the entire team, will not allow anyone to beat him.
IMO
So you think the team would do so even though it would sacrifice team's benefit?
You, Sir, are not logical at all.
QUOTE (eff1fan @ Mar 12 2010, 23:00)
Unfortunately I don't think it matters what Nico does - there's no question in my mind that Schumacher controls ("owns") the team so it's only a matter of time before we see Nico have slight problems here and there, missed opportunities and strategies, etc.
He should resign himself to the fact that Shumacher, with Brawn's help and therefore the entire team, will not allow anyone to beat him.
IMO
He should resign himself to the fact that Shumacher, with Brawn's help and therefore the entire team, will not allow anyone to beat him.
IMO
So thats how MS won 7 championships....thanks for letting the world now.Now maybe the other drivers none of whom could do the same in 60 years can also win 7 titles.
QUOTE (qvn @ Mar 12 2010, 17:07)
So you think the team would do so even though it would sacrifice team's benefit?
You, Sir, are not logical at all.
You, Sir, are not logical at all.
My post was not meant to impress you on my logic, just pointing out the way it will most likely play out.
We saw it last year from Brawn with Jenson vs Rubens.
And don't you believe that a 7x world champion coming back and winning with his "national" team makes for a much more attractive story, and therefore more exposure, than just winning with someone?
QUOTE (h_nair47 @ Mar 12 2010, 17:11)
So thats how MS won 7 championships....thanks for letting the world now.Now maybe the other drivers none of whom could do the same in 60 years can also win 7 titles.
MS won 7 titles because he was by far the best of the class, and definitely always better than his teammate, he proved it time and time again.
And because of that, he was the #1 in the team, and there was never any question about it.
But now things might be different if he's lost anything at all in terms of speed, however I think he will still demand/expect the #1 status.
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Mar 12 2010, 09:35)
My opinion was based on Ted Kravitz's reports this morning about MS being somewhat annoyed in the garage, waving hands about and requesting many changes. That's quite telling IMO. He won't be happy to be slower than anyone, let alone Rosberg.
IMO, that's a positive thing for the team. MS wants the maximum out of his crew and car and has made it very obvious that he will keep his crew's feet to the fire in order to get the required results.
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Mar 12 2010, 22:22)
Lets be honest Nico beating Schumi at the end of the year would be the biggest upset in f1 this decade. I'm just glad I am going to witness it, considering it would be done in spectacular style!
I think you are in for a spectacular disappointment...MS might take some time to get to speed but by the end of the season he would have destroyed Rosberg and with it Rosberg's career...sit back and watch,
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Mar 12 2010, 16:22)
Lets be honest Nico beating Schumi at the end of the year would be the biggest upset in f1 this decade. I'm just glad I am going to witness it, considering it would be done in spectacular style!
I'm with you that it would make for a very interesting story, and it would be great to see, but I just don't think it's going to happen for the reasons I posted earlier.
QUOTE (Madras @ Mar 12 2010, 22:45)
Johnny Herbert said when he was Schumacher's teammate at Benetton Schumacher got to see Johnny's telemetry but MS asked the team not to let Johnny see Schumacher's. JH was disappointed the team agreed to MS's demands.
He also said he looked at MS data anyway with his engineer after the other engineers left. While he had every reason to be pissed with the team he wasn't really handicapped and you have to wonder if the team was just appeasing MS while turning a blind eye (rightfully so) to Herbet getting the data.
QUOTE (h_nair47 @ Mar 12 2010, 22:45)
I think you are in for a spectacular disappointment...MS might take some time to get to speed but by the end of the season he would have destroyed Rosberg and with it Rosberg's career...sit back and watch,
I don't think Schumacher will destroy Rosberg and nor would Rosberg's career be destroyed if he does get beaten.
QUOTE (schuey100 @ Mar 12 2010, 23:52)
I don't think Schumacher will destroy Rosberg and nor would Rosberg's career be destroyed if he does get beaten.
Oh yes it will...41 year old driver comes back after 3 years in cars which have significantly changed and beats the 24 year old. Rest assured the chances of the 24 year old from then on to get a good drive is kind of dim.
QUOTE (Madras @ Mar 12 2010, 18:45)
Johnny Herbert said when he was Schumacher's teammate at Benetton Schumacher got to see Johnny's telemetry but MS asked the team not to let Johnny see Schumacher's. JH was disappointed the team agreed to MS's demands.
I hope that wont be the case at Mercedes
Has there been any other source about the swapping sides of the garage story, apart from Maurice Hamilton?
QUOTE (Speed_Racer @ Mar 12 2010, 20:05)
Schumacher admits to 'rustiness' on return
Michael Schumacher said he must "raise his game" after Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg beat him in Friday practice at the season's opening grand prix.
The German legend, returning to F1 after three years in retirement, was nearly 0.5 seconds slower than Rosberg in both practice sessions in Bahrain.
"That is a bit too much for my standards. I've got to raise my game a bit and I'm sure I'm able to," he said.
Rosberg was fastest of all, 0.445secs quicker than McLaren's Lewis Hamilton.
Schumacher, who was 0.494secs behind Rosberg, had been 0.463secs slower than his team-mate in the first session in the morning.
Nico Rosberg
Afterwards, the 41-year-old seven-time world champion said: "I certainly feel a little bit rusty, certainly on the one-lap issue I can do better.
"On long runs and consistent runs things are pretty good, I'm quite happy. I will just use the rest of the weekend in order to tweak out the little bits.
"It's not a problem. It's just that for one lap I saw that Nico was four-tenths up and that is a bit too much for my standards. I've got to raise my game a bit and I'm sure I'm able to."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8563764.stm
Michael Schumacher said he must "raise his game" after Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg beat him in Friday practice at the season's opening grand prix.
The German legend, returning to F1 after three years in retirement, was nearly 0.5 seconds slower than Rosberg in both practice sessions in Bahrain.
"That is a bit too much for my standards. I've got to raise my game a bit and I'm sure I'm able to," he said.
Rosberg was fastest of all, 0.445secs quicker than McLaren's Lewis Hamilton.
Schumacher, who was 0.494secs behind Rosberg, had been 0.463secs slower than his team-mate in the first session in the morning.
Nico Rosberg
Afterwards, the 41-year-old seven-time world champion said: "I certainly feel a little bit rusty, certainly on the one-lap issue I can do better.
"On long runs and consistent runs things are pretty good, I'm quite happy. I will just use the rest of the weekend in order to tweak out the little bits.
"It's not a problem. It's just that for one lap I saw that Nico was four-tenths up and that is a bit too much for my standards. I've got to raise my game a bit and I'm sure I'm able to."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8563764.stm
..and Mark Webber said that driving F1 cars is easier nowadays thats why so many young drivers can do well?
QUOTE (h_nair47 @ Mar 12 2010, 22:45)
Really would it...when Mika Hakkinen raced a F1 car after 4 years he was 5 - 6 secs off the pace....MS is slower today(both in short and long stints) but only by tenths. I think this is a great performance from him after what 7 days to get familiar with the car?
I think he was 3 seconds off the pace but that's still a lot
QUOTE (h_nair47 @ Mar 12 2010, 23:00)
Oh yes it will...41 year old driver comes back after 3 years in cars which have significantly changed and beats the 24 year old. Rest assured the chances of the 24 year old from then on to get a good drive is kind of dim.
The guy has 7 world championships and is considered by many to be the greatest driver of all time and by most to be one of the greatest. There's no downside for Nico. If he beats him then he's beaten one of the greats and if he loses, well, he's young, has a lot to learn and will mature. (Just look at Massa)
I expect it to be tight between both drivers but only those with an axe to grind would suggest that Nico is rubbish if Schumacher beats him or that Schumacher is a bad driver if Nico beats him. Anyone that looks at F1 objectively and without having some personal angle should look at this year with excitement and not how results make one driver a god and another a has been. Whether it's Alonso and Massa, Button and Hamilton or Rosberg and Schumacher, all are great drivers and losing to the other this season doesn't suddenly make them crap. Team bosses know this. It's kinda why Massa could get just about any drive on the grid even though he was soundly beaten by Schumacher. How old was Massa then? Older than Rosberg I reckon. Yes Schumacher is coming back after a lay off but he's still a phenomenal talent and Rosberg's stock only diminishes if he handles being beaten badly.
If he beats Schumacher then well done to him. But again, it doesn't suddenly mean Schumacher is the worst driver to ever step onto the grid.
QUOTE (schuey100 @ Mar 13 2010, 01:22)
The guy has 7 world championships and is considered by many to be the greatest driver of all time and by most to be one of the greatest. There's no downside for Nico. If he beats him then he's beaten one of the greats and if he loses, well, he's young, has a lot to learn and will mature. (Just look at Massa)
I expect it to be tight between both drivers but only those with an axe to grind would suggest that Nico is rubbish if Schumacher beats him or that Schumacher is a bad driver if Nico beats him. Anyone that looks at F1 objectively and without having some personal angle should look at this year with excitement and not how results make one driver a god and another a has been. Whether it's Alonso and Massa, Button and Hamilton or Rosberg and Schumacher, all are great drivers and losing to the other this season doesn't suddenly make them crap. Team bosses know this. It's kinda why Massa could get just about any drive on the grid even though he was soundly beaten by Schumacher. How old was Massa then? Older than Rosberg I reckon. Yes Schumacher is coming back after a lay off but he's still a phenomenal talent and Rosberg's stock only diminishes if he handles being beaten badly.
If he beats Schumacher then well done to him. But again, it doesn't suddenly mean Schumacher is the worst driver to ever step onto the grid.
I expect it to be tight between both drivers but only those with an axe to grind would suggest that Nico is rubbish if Schumacher beats him or that Schumacher is a bad driver if Nico beats him. Anyone that looks at F1 objectively and without having some personal angle should look at this year with excitement and not how results make one driver a god and another a has been. Whether it's Alonso and Massa, Button and Hamilton or Rosberg and Schumacher, all are great drivers and losing to the other this season doesn't suddenly make them crap. Team bosses know this. It's kinda why Massa could get just about any drive on the grid even though he was soundly beaten by Schumacher. How old was Massa then? Older than Rosberg I reckon. Yes Schumacher is coming back after a lay off but he's still a phenomenal talent and Rosberg's stock only diminishes if he handles being beaten badly.
If he beats Schumacher then well done to him. But again, it doesn't suddenly mean Schumacher is the worst driver to ever step onto the grid.
You keep downplaying the fact that MS is returning after 3 years...as I mentioned before Mika Hakkinen came back to a test after 4 years and he was around 5 secs off the pace. so if MS comes back after 3 years and beats Nico it will look very very bad for him.
You cannot seriously be comparing MS beating Massa in Ferrari to MS potentially beating Nico at Merc...
QUOTE (Ural @ Mar 12 2010, 17:25)
Schumi will always be number 1 in my books with Senna, Clark and Prost - but me thinks Nico has the upper hand at the moment.
I think thats quite clear. NR definitely has the legs on MS, for now. Half a second is half a second. Impressive stuff from Rosberg, but MS is doing quite fine. In 1996 Irvine was faster in the 1st race. I have no doubts that within 3 races the 'oldman' will have the upperhand. Of course NR will have his days, but over the season-MS is the man!
Australian GP 1996 - MS and EI first race for Ferrari
Qualifying:
3rd Eddie Irvine
4th Michael Schumacher
Race:
3rd Eddie Irvine
RT Michael Schumacher
Therefore, I am not sure we should read into the results too much after FP2, Q, or even the first race...
Qualifying:
3rd Eddie Irvine
4th Michael Schumacher
Race:
3rd Eddie Irvine
RT Michael Schumacher
Therefore, I am not sure we should read into the results too much after FP2, Q, or even the first race...
QUOTE (AndreasF1 @ Mar 12 2010, 18:42)
Australian GP 1996 - MS and EI first race for Ferrari
Qualifying:
3rd Eddie Irvine
4th Michael Schumacher
Race:
3rd Eddie Irvine
RT Michael Schumacher
Therefore, I am not sure we should read into the results too much after FP2, Q, or even the first race...
Qualifying:
3rd Eddie Irvine
4th Michael Schumacher
Race:
3rd Eddie Irvine
RT Michael Schumacher
Therefore, I am not sure we should read into the results too much after FP2, Q, or even the first race...
Agreed.
It's early days, Rosberg and Mercedes are looking good, but I think we need to let the season to unfold and see what the situation is after the first few races.
Looking good for Mercedes and Mclaren so far. Will be interesting to see how things will really unfold in the qualifying.
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