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Diablobb81
QUOTE (rog @ Oct 15 2010, 19:48) *
He refused to answer what exactly was wrong with the F-Duct.



He refused to answer on how the Merc f-duct operates.
He said that the problem with the F-duct in quali was that it was deploying in corners.
grunge
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Oct 15 2010, 02:05) *
In other place I see he said that his work is not appreciated???

its in the same interview with Bild.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b6qN8

Rosberg, who moved to Mercedes in 2010 after four seasons at Williams, said: “I don’t think my performance is well enough recognised.”
Schumacher’s problems this year have been explained as due to Bridgestone’s new narrower front tyres, which do not suit his driving style.

But “It’s the same for me,” 25-year-old Rosberg told the German weekly Sport Bild.

“Actually I think Michael has been able to adapt his driving style better than I have,” said the German, whose Finnish father is the 1982 world champion Keke Rosberg.

Rosberg also played down the effect of Schumacher’s three-year break since initially retiring in 2006.

“Michael has 15 years of experience in formula one,” he said.

Rosberg said his own recent experience “hasn’t advantaged me because it’s mainly been with grooved tyres, and the current front tyre is different from anything else before it”.

Mercedes’ competition boss Norbert Haug insists Rosberg’s efforts have not been undervalued within the team.

“I think it’s absolutely obvious that Nico has so far extracted what was possible from the car,” he said. “Only on a very few occasions was this not the case.

“I think he learned a lot with Williams and if you would name one of the top guys that are currently young and experienced in formula one you would certainly mention Nico,” added Haug.

“So Nico is a very good benchmark for probably everybody in the field.”
arknor
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 15 2010, 19:02) *
its in the same interview with Bild.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b6qN8

Rosberg, who moved to Mercedes in 2010 after four seasons at Williams, said: “I don’t think my performance is well enough recognised.”
Schumacher’s problems this year have been explained as due to Bridgestone’s new narrower front tyres, which do not suit his driving style.

But “It’s the same for me,” 25-year-old Rosberg told the German weekly Sport Bild.

“Actually I think Michael has been able to adapt his driving style better than I have,” said the German, whose Finnish father is the 1982 world champion Keke Rosberg.

Rosberg also played down the effect of Schumacher’s three-year break since initially retiring in 2006.

“Michael has 15 years of experience in formula one,” he said.

Rosberg said his own recent experience “hasn’t advantaged me because it’s mainly been with grooved tyres, and the current front tyre is different from anything else before it”.

Mercedes’ competition boss Norbert Haug insists Rosberg’s efforts have not been undervalued within the team.

“I think it’s absolutely obvious that Nico has so far extracted what was possible from the car,” he said. “Only on a very few occasions was this not the case.

“I think he learned a lot with Williams and if you would name one of the top guys that are currently young and experienced in formula one you would certainly mention Nico,” added Haug.

“So Nico is a very good benchmark for probably everybody in the field.”
more nico mind games like the start of the season , if he was really not apreciated schumacher woudnt be getting the dodgy pit stratergies and everything that comes with beeing a #2.

ncio is only complaining now because hes scared schumacher will be #1 next year
Ferrari_F1_fan_2001
QUOTE (arknor @ Oct 15 2010, 17:22) *
more nico mind games like the start of the season , if he was really not apreciated schumacher woudnt be getting the dodgy pit stratergies and everything that comes with beeing a #2.

ncio is only complaining now because hes scared schumacher will be #1 next year


Nico is driving at 100%, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten the results he has; ahead of Kubica, knocking on Massa's door, mixing it up with the Mclarens in qualifying. You don't achieve those sorts of results if the car isn't suited (or more suited)

Quite transparent, Nico.

I think he was enjoying his status as #1 driver at Mercedes while there was a long season to go but now that Schumacher is getting more comfortable and the season is drawing closer to the finish, Nico knows that comfort zone is about to go out of the window and that Schumacher will be top dog next year. An ego like Schumacher's doesn't accept second best.
ktsayshi
QUOTE (Ferrari_F1_fan_2001 @ Oct 15 2010, 15:33) *
I think he was enjoying his status as #1 driver at Mercedes while there was a long season to go but now that Schumacher is getting more comfortable and the season is drawing closer to the finish, Nico knows that comfort zone is about to go out of the window and that Schumacher will be top dog next year.


I wouldn't bet the farm on it, though. Rosberg - who has, after all, earned No. 1 status this year - signed before Schumacher and therefore doesn't have the walk-behind clause. Without knowing the details of their agreements, Michael's "business as usual" could be Nico's "breach of contract." Just a thought.
rog
QUOTE (Diablobb81 @ Oct 15 2010, 19:14) *
He refused to answer on how the Merc f-duct operates.
He said that the problem with the F-duct in quali was that it was deploying in corners.


Yes but he refused to say what was exactly wrong. It seems a bit odd that the F-Duct was deployed in a corner, isn't it driver operated? Also they told directly after the Quali the car was fine, best possibly result etc. It's strange.
arknor
QUOTE (rog @ Oct 15 2010, 22:09) *
Yes but he refused to say what was exactly wrong. It seems a bit odd that the F-Duct was deployed in a corner, isn't it driver operated? Also they told directly after the Quali the car was fine, best possibly result etc. It's strange.

who did ? because before the race michael told the BBC he was disapointed he should have qualified higher but the f-duct wasnt working right in Q

i think his race pace showed he should have started further up the field
rog
QUOTE (arknor @ Oct 15 2010, 23:15) *
who did ? because before the race michael told the BBC he was disapointed he should have qualified higher but the f-duct wasnt working right in Q

i think his race pace showed he should have started further up the field


http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...n_10101003.html

Auch der Rekordweltmeister konnte mit seiner Leistung gut leben. "Von meiner Sicht aus war nicht mehr drin. Das Auto hat gut funktioniert", erklärte er.

Seanspeed
I think y'all are being ridiculous thinking that there's any clear no.1/no.2 driver status at Mercedes. They aren't fighting for any titles so there's little to gain by helping one driver at the expense of another. They aren't some tiny F1 team that doesn't have the resources to give both drivers full backing, after all.

ivand911
QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Oct 16 2010, 03:53) *
I think y'all are being ridiculous thinking that there's any clear no.1/no.2 driver status at Mercedes. They aren't fighting for any titles so there's little to gain by helping one driver at the expense of another. They aren't some tiny F1 team that doesn't have the resources to give both drivers full backing, after all.

It sounds stupid, but they want Nico to get 6th in WDC if he can. And you see that often strategy is favouring him. Michael can only take 9th. I didn't see one time in last 5-6 races strategy that would help Michael to finish ahead of Nico. Like in Singapore ,why they didn't pit him like Webber with first SC? In Germany Nico conveniently did 10 more laps to pass Michael? That is for driver equality.
ivand911
QUOTE (rog @ Oct 16 2010, 00:34) *
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...n_10101003.html

Auch der Rekordweltmeister konnte mit seiner Leistung gut leben. "Von meiner Sicht aus war nicht mehr drin. Das Auto hat gut funktioniert", erklärte er.

I confirm what he said to BBC about F-duct(not working right in Qualy and they will drive like this). What changed on the car since Qualy was that they put 160 kilo fuel in the car. This could make difference and F-duct to work again properly. And he have best speed in the race. We hear often from the drivers that car suddenly change from one day to the next. So no surprise here. Noble interview was taken I guess directly after Qualy, when Michael didn't have all info for the car(before team briefing).
Funny thing is when I used Google translation it translated "von Marco Helgert" to "By Jonathan Noble"? This is why I said Noble interview.
http://translate.google.bg/translate?js=n&...n_10101003.html
Spa95
QUOTE (rog @ Oct 15 2010, 23:34) *

Of course everything will always be alright in these meaningless press releases. You must be the only person who pays any interest in this pr babble. cat.gif
aditya-now
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ Oct 15 2010, 17:13) *
I don't think he's necessarily referring to upgrades going to Nico first, that's just what people want to hear from Michael as it feels like comeback for the years his car was the one to be upgraded first. I think he might be referring to different setups, or even perhaps newer parts that have been trialled on Michael's car for feedback, and they haven't worked. We've already seen many times this year Ross Brawn trying different strategies on Michael's car, putting him on certain tyres for very long stints, whilst keeping Nico on a more regular one that has seen him rack the points up... I think this year has been used as a trial, to see for both Michael and the team what he can do, whilst utilising Nico very well and letting him score big points almost as security to try things with Schumacher.


I can understand that they are more experimental with Schumacher than with Rosberg, as the arguing could be "Let us go the safe route with Rosberg to score sure points, and let´s try things with Schumi because he is special and can implement strategies that would never work with other drivers". That makes sense to me.
What doesn´t make sense, however, is that this approach (if that is the one taken) is obviously only very rarely working for Michael. Also, Schumacher starts complaining about it. So they should go and take a mainstream approach with Schumacher as well as with Rosberg, would make much more sense for their WCC as well as for Michael´s WDC.
All these statements with the big IF that is indeed the approach taken.

QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ Oct 15 2010, 17:13) *
I don't think Michael can outdrive the car anymore like he used to be able to, but even at a reduced level he is a superb racing driver, and perhaps we'll see that more towards the end of this year and into next.


That is surely the case, so they will have to go towards more conventional strategies. Even when they go the mainstream way Michael can pull out some class performances, Suzuka was an indicator into the right direction, the more so if indeed his F-duct was only partly working.

QUOTE (glorius&victorius @ Oct 15 2010, 17:15) *
so is a struggling Schumacher


Schumacher is always good press, whether successful or struggling. That´s why it´s good he is in F1. Makes the field much more complete. He still has that vibe and presence about him, even when he is struggling. In this sense I hope that he will see out his three year contract.
aditya-now
QUOTE (rog @ Oct 15 2010, 17:48) *
Schumacher clearly stated after the race on RTL that the F-Duct and the car was working fine in the race whereas in Quali F-Duct wasn't working the way it should be, which is a bit odd if you ask me. I don't believe the broken F-Duct theory. He refused to answer what exactly was wrong with the F-Duct.


So there is again a bit of mystery, and I don´t know if some of the cryptical utterings of Schumacher and Haug are not smokescreen tactics. Will be interesting to find out. 2011 and 2012 will give further insights.
baddog
QUOTE (aditya-now @ Oct 16 2010, 22:17) *
So there is again a bit of mystery, and I don´t know if some of the cryptical utterings of Schumacher and Haug are not smokescreen tactics. Will be interesting to find out. 2011 and 2012 will give further insights.

Well the only mystery (and its not much of one) is that rog calls schumacher a liar. I mean its not much of a mystery is it, a driver performs oddly worse in one session than in the whole rest of the weekend.. he tells you not only that they had a problem but which bit of the car the problem was with (often we dont even get that). The driver says they will have to put up with it in the race too, but in the end it either doesnt prove a problem or the team fixes it. I mean this is not a very mysterious thing..

Now apparently because Michael isnt prepared to draw rog a diagram of the mercedes fduct system and also provide references, he is a liar..
aditya-now
QUOTE (baddog @ Oct 16 2010, 10:35) *
Now apparently because Michael isnt prepared to draw rog a diagram of the mercedes fduct system and also provide references, he is a liar..

lol.gif

What? Because Michael is not prepared to draw a diagram for rog, therefore he is a liar? I didn´t know that you had changed sides, baddog! lol.gif

Massa_f1
QUOTE (arknor @ Oct 15 2010, 19:22) *
more nico mind games like the start of the season , if he was really not apreciated schumacher woudnt be getting the dodgy pit stratergies and everything that comes with beeing a #2.

ncio is only complaining now because hes scared schumacher will be #1 next year


Notice how he complains the weekend micheal is faster than him.
rog
QUOTE (Spa95 @ Oct 16 2010, 09:17) *
Of course everything will always be alright in these meaningless press releases. You must be the only person who pays any interest in this pr babble. cat.gif



This is what MS told after the Quali to the media. Everything what Haug or MS are telling to the press is a press/media comment, there is no difference, you should know that. Explain me why he should say F-Duct was fine when it wasn't. Only explanation is that they didn't know about the problem directly after the Quali session. But as I said for me it's another excuse with Haugs typical Schumacher defence. Looks like it is working for the most people here.
PoliFanAthic
QUOTE (Massa_f1 @ Oct 16 2010, 12:42) *
Notice how he complains the weekend micheal is faster than him.


I think he complained about something every time Schumacher was faster than him. But, then again, the fact that Schumacher's superiority never lasted, gives some value to his claims.

I don't quite understand why everyone is speaking about the tides turning. It was just one race and as much as I'd love to see Schumacher dominate Rosberg, I really can't draw that conclusion after one good showing. I can't even conclude that he's up to par with Rosberg.

Outscoring Rosberg in the last few races could make the rest of the season forgotten, with a renewed emphasis on Schumi for the new season. I think, despite whatever anyone might claim, these last races are very important for both drivers.
baddog
QUOTE (aditya-now @ Oct 16 2010, 23:40) *
lol.gif

What? Because Michael is not prepared to draw a diagram for rog, therefore he is a liar? I didn´t know that you had changed sides, baddog! lol.gif

Heh hardly.. rog however seems to have made that leap.
rog
QUOTE (baddog @ Oct 16 2010, 11:35) *
Well the only mystery (and its not much of one) is that rog calls schumacher a liar.


I never called Schumacher a liar, there could be other reasons. Don't be naive to trust everything what they tell to the media. Not everything is the truth. In fact sometimes they try to suggest things different (half-truth) in a different way due to marketing reasons. Take it with a pinch of salt what Haug/Schumacher stating in order to find the next excuse. It's obvious most fans are happy with the excuse and trust them gladly, that's their intention but not my point.
baddog
QUOTE (rog @ Oct 17 2010, 12:20) *
I never called Schumacher a liar, there could be other reasons.

Yes you did. Stand by your statements man.

rog - ' I don't believe the broken F-Duct theory.'
rog
QUOTE (baddog @ Oct 17 2010, 02:20) *
Yes you did. Stand by your statements man.

rog - ' I don't believe the broken F-Duct theory.'


Are you blinded? You can't read your own posting or what's wrong with you? As you can see in this Quote hopefully I never called MS a liar. I could call you a liar due to your deliberately provoked wrong assumptions of my Quote. So what's your point now beside personal attacks? If you are naive enough to trust everything you are liking it's up to you but surely not my problem.
baddog
QUOTE (rog @ Oct 17 2010, 22:59) *
Are you blinded? You can't read your own posting or what's wrong with you? As you can see in this Quote hopefully I never called MS a liar. I could call you a liar due to your deliberately provoked wrong assumptions of my Quote. So what's your point now beside personal attacks? If you are naive enough to trust everything you are liking it's up to you but surely not my problem.

So do you believe that Michael was telling the truth or do you think he was lying? Im confused by what the problem is here, you cant really say you dont believe someones factual statement and then say you arent saying they are lying can you? Unless you are saying that Michael has been duped by the team or that the team dont know what is happening on their own car??
Frans
Ah, new track for all of them, and Nico is again in front of Michey. up.gif
arknor
QUOTE (Frans @ Oct 22 2010, 15:46) *
Ah, new track for all of them, and Nico is again in front of Michey. up.gif

someone finally woke up i was just commenting in the schumacher thread how im surprised noone posted in here yet. . .

if you didnt know frans schumacher didnt go out towards the end of either session for a glory run unlike rosberg , during the session however when schumacher was on track with webber , hamilton etc he was setting very good times and mixing it with the op 5.

every few minutes the track was getting much faster even towards the end of FP2 we wont know real pace of anyone until qualifying/race
Lamag
It looks like Rosberg is getting ready to beat Michael on Quali once again.
ivand911
QUOTE (Lamag @ Oct 22 2010, 17:56) *
It looks like Rosberg is getting ready to beat Michael on Quali once again.

What is the point Michael to beat him, when Nico have to take the most points in the race? Michael can jump him at the start like Nico is stationary. Not biggie.
Lamag
I dont know, you tell me...
ivand911
But, there is no point to jump him, because team have to make special strategy(How to get Nico in front of Michael again). Like in Germany and Suzuka.
Lamag
One fact.

If the team is making special strategy for Rosberg, in my opinion is because Rosberg had earning that by beating Michael both on Quali and Race at the beginning of the season, as simply as that.

Rosberg had been quicker than Michael all year long and had earning with results to be the leader of Mercedes until the end of the year.
ivand911
QUOTE (Lamag @ Oct 22 2010, 18:20) *
One fact.

If the team is making special strategy for Rosberg, in my opinion is because Rosberg had earning that by beating Michael both on Quali and Race at the beginning of the season, as simply as that.

Rosberg had been quicker than Michael all year long and had earning with results to be the leader of Mercedes until the end of the year.

What is the point to be faster in Qualy ,when your team mate jump you in more than 50% of the times(Starting from Australia ,Michael 4th ,Nico 9th in first corner)? And we see how Nico beat him in the race with strategies favouring him. Michael have bad luck in first 4 races and he lost 40 points. Other 40 he lost because team favouring Nico.
Jazza
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Oct 22 2010, 07:40) *
What is the point to be faster in Qualy ,when your team mate jump you in more than 50% of the times(Starting from Australia ,Michael 4th ,Nico 9th in first corner)? And we see how Nico beat him in the race with strategies favouring him. Michael have bad luck in first 4 races and he lost 40 points. Other 40 he lost because team favouring Nico.


Does this mean MS could beat rosberg in qualifying if he wanted to, but doesn't bother because the team will switch them in the pits anyway? confused.gif
ivand911
QUOTE (Jazza @ Oct 22 2010, 18:45) *
Does this mean MS could beat rosberg in qualifying if he wanted to, but doesn't bother because the team will switch them in the pits anyway? confused.gif

To beat him in Qualy, it is not the only way to beat him in the race? He jump him on the start usually and team switch them in the pit. Will you bother?
Muz Bee
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Oct 23 2010, 04:11) *
But, there is no point to jump him, because team have to make special strategy(How to get Nico in front of Michael again). Like in Germany and Suzuka.

Ivan, can you explain carefully and clearly why Mercedes strategists would be interested in sabotaging one of their driver's races in order to secure a 7th place finish in the WDC for the other driver. This line of reasoning really is tiresome, along with the Rosberg bashing. Take an unblinkered view of who is doing the job for the team's fortunes. Now that Rosberg has experienced some bad luck in recent races the scores there have been levelled. Facts are Nico has scored most of the team's points and all 3 podiums and generally been the quicker driver at most tracks.
ivand911
QUOTE (Muz Bee @ Oct 22 2010, 22:28) *
Ivan, can you explain carefully and clearly why Mercedes strategists would be interested in sabotaging one of their driver's races in order to secure a 7th place finish in the WDC for the other driver. This line of reasoning really is tiresome, along with the Rosberg bashing. Take an unblinkered view of who is doing the job for the team's fortunes. Now that Rosberg has experienced some bad luck in recent races the scores there have been levelled. Facts are Nico has scored most of the team's points and all 3 podiums and generally been the quicker driver at most tracks.

Are you serious, last week team chief strategist say in every internet F1 site that they made mistake when they put Michael behind Nico. Find it and read it. They put Michael behind Nico ,but they admit it was mistake. This is how. In Germany was the same story.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/10/how-...-prix-analysis/
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/13/merc...ont-of-rosberg/
baddog
QUOTE (Muz Bee @ Oct 23 2010, 08:28) *
Facts are Nico has scored most of the team's points and all 3 podiums and generally been the quicker driver at most tracks.

This it very true and credit to the man.

The team definitely swapped them in Suzuka though.. and Michael was still going to nail him before the end.

Here we have no data yet, they swapped sectors all day, at the end Michaels last run on quicks was terminated by (I think Im right) liuzzi having his problem
man
So despite all the rhetoric since Suzuka it's the same predictable story in Korea. Rosberg batters M Schumacher again in qualifying as he has done all weekend by over 4 tenths.

Qualifying

Rosberg 14 - 3 M Schumacher
Johnrambo
And Schumacher takes another hammering at the hands of Rosberg. wave.gif
ivand911
Guys you never learn. You can hope that at the start Nico will not have clutch problem again. roflmao.gif And then team to the rescue.
Fortymark
A new technical track, Rosberg goes P5 and beats one Ferrari,
one McLaren and one Renault. Schumacher beats Barrichello
with 0,05 sec in a Williams lol.gif
Buttoneer
No points available for qualifying.
man
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Oct 23 2010, 07:23) *
No points available for qualifying.


Really? ;-)
Fortymark
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Oct 23 2010, 08:23) *
No points available for qualifying.


rolleyes.gif
We are discussing Schumacher vs Rosberg, whom is better, faster etc.
Is it better to have it in the Schumacher thread?! confused.gif
Buttoneer
I'm not so much seeing 'discussion' as 'gloating' so it doesn't really matter where it's posted rolleyes.gif
Massa_f1
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Oct 23 2010, 07:43) *
I'm not so much seeing 'discussion' as 'gloating' so it doesn't really matter where it's posted rolleyes.gif



Couldent agree more.
man
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Oct 23 2010, 07:43) *
I'm not so much seeing 'discussion' as 'gloating' so it doesn't really matter where it's posted rolleyes.gif


We are not dealing with the meaning of life, poverty in developing countries, murder of innocent people, we are talking about something rather trivial in the grand scheme of things... No need to take the moral high ground over such insignificant issues....just a bit of fun eh? Cheer up for gawds sake and leave the sarcy gestures out. ;-)
FW09
QUOTE (Fortymark @ Oct 23 2010, 09:33) *
rolleyes.gif
We are discussing Schumacher vs Rosberg, whom is better, faster etc.
Is it better to have it in the Schumacher thread?! confused.gif


She's just bitter because Button sucks. wink.gif
Massa_f1
LOL at the schumacher haters given Buttoneer i hard time just cause he posted the truth.
man
QUOTE (Massa_f1 @ Oct 23 2010, 07:55) *
LOL at the schumacher haters given Buttoneer i hard time just cause he posted the truth.


Be kind enough to define hater sir. ;-)
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