The Kanisteri
Dec 23 2009, 10:04
Rosberg > M Schumacher
Victor_RO
Dec 23 2009, 10:08
QUOTE (Schuperman @ Dec 23 2009, 07:23)

When both completed the race, Brundle had never finished ahead of MS.
The 1992 British and Italian GP result sheets would like to have a word with you. Brundle finished 3rd in Britain after a race-long battle with Senna, while Schumacher snatched 4th at the last corner when Berger's engine broke. And in Italy Martin took 2nd and Schuey 3rd.
Now, on-topic, I really can't predict what is going to happen between these two in terms of pace. It's going to be EXTREMELY interesting to see this unfold.
Jose Mourinho is Special
Dec 23 2009, 10:11
Can't want until Schumacher spits the dummy when he isn't getting his No.1 status
Schumi is the greatest ever so how could anyone expect Rosberg to be any match for him? Der Regenkönig will make Nico weep his young career going down the drain.
athlon
Dec 23 2009, 10:14
Rosberg will beat Schumacher. They will be on equal status because both drivers are German and Mercedes wanted Rosberg at the team, too. He is the man of the future, and I think Vettel will arive when his contact expires at Red Bull. And don't forget: Jock Clear is one of the greatest engineer in the field, he wouldn't let a no:1-no:2 status, do you remember of the Villeneuve-Frentzen duel at Williams?
potmotr
Dec 23 2009, 10:18
QUOTE (Jose Mourinho is Special @ Dec 23 2009, 10:11)

Can't want until Schumacher spits the dummy when he isn't getting his No.1 status
And when has Schumacher ever spat the dummy over a team mate?
He's much much smarter than that.
He'll be sure to make all the right moves behind the scenes with his old mate Ross so the team considers him number one, even if that isn't publicised.
Don't forget, Schumacher's mechanics and team at Ferrari pretty much worshipped him.
I'd expect the same at Mercedes.
QUOTE (Schuperman @ Dec 23 2009, 06:23)

When both completed the race, Brundle had never finished ahead of MS.

I didn't realize it's
that bad.
Can we buy this book "F1 statistics, special MS edition" anywhere?
derstatic
Dec 23 2009, 10:19
Have to give the nod to the old man. Rosberg seems quick and all but the only true reference we have of him is Nakajima whom he beat quite convincingly. He also outscored a twilight Wurz and was narrowly beaten by Webber in 2006. Let's say Rosberg is about as good as Webber because 2006 was Rosberg's debut season. Webber I would classify as race winning but not championship winning material and I think the same goes for Nico, Rubens, DC etc. He could win a few races during his career with the right car under him but I doubt he's going to be a world champion. Here he's up to an albeit retired but super professional, ultra competitve 7 times world champion known to have only occationally been beaten by any teammate over a 15 year career. Above all in a Ross Brawn designed car. Nah this is going in Schumacher direction as long as that neck stays in one piece.
The Kanisteri
Dec 23 2009, 10:20
QUOTE (Amrl @ Dec 23 2009, 14:12)

Schumi is the greatest ever so how could anyone expect Rosberg to be any match for him? Der Regenkönig will make Nico weep his young career going down the drain.
Because Schumacher is old dog, has badly hurt his neck with motorbikes and he has been out of F1 for few years and testing is limited.
It is like Michael Johnson would decide to make comeback and battle among with Usain Bolt and pals.
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 23 2009, 12:14)

And don't forget: Jock Clear is one of the greatest engineer in the field, he wouldn't let a no:1-no:2 status, do you remember of the Villeneuve-Frentzen duel at Williams?

You're comparing Schumacher to Villeneuve? Schumi is greater than any engineer and he will have status he wants.
Rosberg fans must feel devasted by the news but the best thing for them to do is to admit defeat now and avoid much shame in the future.
Schumacher is utterly going to annihilate Rosberg. I'm not that happy Schumi is coming back to be honest, but watching him utterly obliterate Rosberg is going to be singularly joyous to watch. ESPECIALLY given Keke's dribbling in 2006 after Monaco. Michael isn't going to be charitable AT ALL.
Brilliant

QUOTE (krapmeister @ Dec 23 2009, 02:42)

Where is Kar?
I have an idea that he may tip Schumi over Rosberg - nothing certain, just a feeling...

Das stimmt! :-)
Good to have at least one German driver in the Silver Arrows car too (Michael).
RodrigoL
Dec 23 2009, 10:30
Nico must be in a state right now! His prospects as a top F1 driver will more than likely plummet after losing out to a pensioner..
athlon
Dec 23 2009, 10:33
QUOTE (Amrl @ Dec 23 2009, 11:26)

You're comparing Schumacher to Villeneuve? Schumi is greater than any engineer and he will have status he wants.
Rosberg fans must feel devasted by the news but the best thing for them to do is to admit defeat now and avoid much shame in the future.
You're very funny lol
Britney will lose many points in the, let´s say 3-4, wet races 2010 in comparison to MS.
No chance to regain those lost points in the dry races on MS.
Schuperman
Dec 23 2009, 11:24
QUOTE (Victor_RO @ Dec 23 2009, 18:08)

The 1992 British and Italian GP result sheets would like to have a word with you. Brundle finished 3rd in Britain after a race-long battle with Senna, while Schumacher snatched 4th at the last corner when Berger's engine broke. And in Italy Martin took 2nd and Schuey 3rd.
QUOTE (as65p @ Dec 23 2009, 18:19)


I didn't realize it's
that bad.

My mistake. I was thinking it was 1993 instead of 1992. MS was 3rd overall. Brundle 6th. IF you wish to think it was closely contested, go ahead.
Michael will beat rosberg easily and probably dominate him. Rosberg was never that much faster than his pay driver team mate nakajima.
Victor_RO
Dec 23 2009, 11:34
QUOTE (Schuperman @ Dec 23 2009, 13:24)

My mistake. I was thinking it was 1993 instead of 1992. MS was 3rd overall. Brundle 6th. IF you wish to think it was closely contested, go ahead.
I'm not saying it was closely contested, but I'm not saying either that it was a complete thrashing. There's a lot of "if"s from '92 from the Benetton camp; for example, a failed differential robbed MB of what could have been a win in Canada (he was catching Berger at a rate that was enough to pass him before the race was over).
Anyway, back to Schuey vs. Nico, please.
Rinehart
Dec 23 2009, 11:47
Well 2 new guys in a new team with new non-refuling regulations and new front tyres. Not much recent experience advantage for Nico.
I reckon MS.
Schuperman
Dec 23 2009, 11:47
QUOTE (Victor_RO @ Dec 23 2009, 19:34)

Anyway, back to Schuey vs. Nico, please.
Agreed.
Schuey vs Nico. I would like to see how people rate Nico here. At times in 2009, he was hailed for putting the car where it shouldn't belong to. That means he is highly rated young driver.
IF Nico is as good as he is rated, MS at 41, 3-year absence, Nico should be in a position to out-qualify and out-race MS.
Poor Rosi. But still he could occasionally beat him. Also I doubt MS form will be even close to 2006.
V8 Fireworks
Dec 23 2009, 11:55
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Dec 23 2009, 05:29)

If
Barbie wasn't capable of dealling with Webber, how could he possibly outpace Schumy
The big question mark is... can we start calling him Nicochello

Funny but true!

Nico has to get some stick for the flowing blonde locks!
Simon Says
Dec 23 2009, 11:56
QUOTE (Schuperman @ Dec 23 2009, 12:47)

Agreed.
Schuey vs Nico. I would like to see how people rate Nico here. At times in 2009, he was hailed for putting the car where it shouldn't belong to. That means he is highly rated young driver.
IF Nico is as good as he is rated, MS at 41, 3-year absence, Nico should be in a position to out-qualify and out-race MS.
I don't know Mercedes, Brawn and MS are very tight. If MS was joining Williams and Nico staying there, then potentially Nico could give MS a run for his money.
MARDRU
Dec 23 2009, 12:07
Equal cars and Schummi beats Rosberg.
MS beeing the number one driver and Rosberg beeing the one/b, MS will destroy Rosberg.
Rosberg is not a top driver, never was and never will be.
What will be interesting is how much Keke waggles his mouth behind the scenes to anyone with a microphone once Nico gets similar treatment Massa got in 2006.
Talking Point
Dec 23 2009, 12:13
It's difficult to say. Rosberg is a good-but-not-great driver, about at the same level as Button or Kubica. It all depends on how good Michael is after three years away. If he's anything like where he was at in 2006, he'll beat Nico.
MARDRU
Dec 23 2009, 12:28
QUOTE (Talking Point @ Dec 23 2009, 10:13)

It's difficult to say. Rosberg is a good-but-not-great driver, about at the same level as Button or Kubica. It all depends on how good Michael is after three years away. If he's anything like where he was at in 2006, he'll beat Nico.
WHAT???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Same level as Kubica and Button??? Are you serious??
I've never really been convinced by Rosberg. Can't see him beating Schumacher.
athlon
Dec 23 2009, 12:32
Just give Rosberg a chance, because he didn't have one to show his performance and do not compare him to Nakajima...

He was a regular point scorer when every team had the duple diffuser, and he made only one mistake as Lewis did once.
So I think you shouldn't write off Nico too early! ;)
vipul_singh
Dec 23 2009, 12:33
IMHO MS has been given the #1 treatment because he *is* the faster driver in the team. I don't think that would happen if Nico is able to prove he is as fast or better than Michael.
Is Nico faster than MS, though? I don't think so. Although this is just speculation.
QUOTE (MARDRU @ Dec 23 2009, 07:28)

WHAT???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Same level as Kubica and Button??? Are you serious??
No, he wasn't serious; they aren't at the same level. Nico is of course much better than Kubica, and with his potential he will probably exceed Jenson as well.
Hacklerf
Dec 23 2009, 12:53
To my mind there is no doubt that Schumacher will beat Rosberg, in fact he will beat the whole field
Talking Point
Dec 23 2009, 13:00
QUOTE (MARDRU @ Dec 23 2009, 12:28)

WHAT???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Same level as Kubica and Button??? Are you serious??
Yes I am serious.

Button, Rosberg and Kubica are all decent, but none of them are in the 'top' league of drivers IMO.
potmotr
Dec 23 2009, 13:06
QUOTE (Talking Point @ Dec 23 2009, 13:00)

Yes I am serious.

Button, Rosberg and Kubica are all decent, but none of them are in the 'top' league of drivers IMO.
I think in order of talent the list goes
Kubica
Button
Rosberg
robracer
Dec 23 2009, 13:09
Schumacher should beat Rosberg in 2010 because he still has the desire and he is the most successful driver ever.
Turbo4
Dec 23 2009, 13:09
One thing Schumacher's return will do is free Nico from the pressure of needing to lead development of the car, as he had to do at Williams. In my opinion, Nico showed the most speed relative to the car's ultimate performance when he was up against Webber in 2006. Webber was the lead driver, and thus the man Williams turned to for testing (along with Wurz).
Personally, I dont think Nico's much of a development driver. He's a young buck, and the best thing he can do now is just drive the car as fast as he can, and LEARN from the master. He will be a far better driver at the end of it.
potmotr
Dec 23 2009, 13:11
QUOTE (Turbo4 @ Dec 23 2009, 13:09)

Personally, I dont think Nico's much of a development driver. He's a young buck..
I don't think Rosberg's a young buck at all.
He's had four full seasons of F1 under him and countless thousands of testing miles before the ban.
Given the average length of career of most F1 drivers, Nico is getting on for middle aged.
Now, as you suggest, he
might be able to learn from Schumacher.
But after three years away Schumacher will be desperate to prove he's still got it.
And proving that involves destroying Nico ASAP.
Rosberg will be cut no favours at all by Schumacher.
Snap Matt
Dec 23 2009, 13:22
I just can't see Rosberg being a problem for Schumacher, but than I couldn't really imagine Rosberg being a problem for most drivers that are in F1 on merit. I would really love to know what discussions have been had about Michael's status in the team... would he want some sort of guarantee in his contract, or would he just let circumstances dictate that sort of thing...
If I had to write a strategic marketing plan to propell Nico Rosberg to the position of Racing-god, I could think of no better way to do this than to beat Michael Schumacher. If not year one, then year two or three. This is the perfect set-up.
QUOTE (metz @ Dec 23 2009, 13:22)

If I had to write a strategic marketing plan to propell Nico Rosberg to the position of Racing-god, I could think of no better way to do this than to beat Michael Schumacher. If not year one, then year two or three. This is the perfect set-up.
Do you honestly think Schumi would be dumb enough to get himself involved in such a "set-up"? Or was there a tone of sarcasm there? Hard to tell
QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 23 2009, 00:42)

From what I've read in Autosport's season review, Williams lost faith in Rosberg this year.
So if Williams felt that way after Rosberg was paired with Nakajima, I worry for his career if he goes up against Schumacher.
Schumacher has owned every team mate he's had.
Yes he owned everyone where he had number one status.
And he'll sure own Rosberg because he'll be number one. Believe in Brawn.
I was looking at it from Keke's point of view.
Nico has nothing to loose and everything to gain.
Mauseri
Dec 23 2009, 14:41
Nico has nothing to loose? Without Schumacher I think he would stand better chance of winning the championship. So he will lose a lot if Schumacher is in front of him. On the other hand if he beats Schumi, people will say Schumi isn't his old self, which is propably true. Not much to win but something to lose if he turns out another Rubens.
Alfisti
Dec 23 2009, 14:45
Gee you blokes are underestimating Rosberg which means you have a HELL of a lot of faith in Williams, you're basically saying the Williams was right up there as one of the best cars last year. I don't have that faith in them and watch them drop like a stone this year.
EthanM
Dec 23 2009, 14:58
Rosberg has a huge downside, he can't setup the car to save his life. Going against the master that's a problem cause if they are close in terms of speed then MS's side of the garage will simply turn off the information flow to NR's side of the garage
athlon
Dec 23 2009, 15:09
QUOTE (EthanM @ Dec 23 2009, 15:58)

Rosberg has a huge downside, he can't setup the car to save his life. Going against the master that's a problem cause if they are close in terms of speed then MS's side of the garage will simply turn off the information flow to NR's side of the garage
He can't setup his car? Why, who set up his car at Williams? Nakajima? Rosberg is interested in aerodinamics... I don't it would be a problem. Otherwise hhis race engineer will be Jock Clear. Does anybody remember to 1997 what happened at Williams? Patrick Head wanted Frentzen to be No:1 at the team. Clear didn't let it.
Or do you remember to this season? There were some rumours that the Rubens-side of BrawnGP kept their secrets. The competiton between Clear and Shovlin (Schumacher's race engineer) will be even better and bigger.
So just write off Nico so early.;)
Sammyosammy
Dec 23 2009, 15:25
QUOTE (EthanM @ Dec 23 2009, 15:58)

Rosberg has a huge downside, he can't setup the car to save his life. Going against the master that's a problem cause if they are close in terms of speed then MS's side of the garage will simply turn off the information flow to NR's side of the garage
Followed Keke Rosberg since 80´s and have to say that MS will really must work hard to get #1 status and bringing the good old Mickey&Ross back.
In my opinion Keke makes Anthony Hamilton look like an angel at the pit stop. Believe me, he will work for his boy in every possible way..
kosmos
Dec 23 2009, 15:34
QUOTE (Hacklerf @ Dec 23 2009, 13:53)

To my mind there is no doubt that Schumacher will beat Rosberg, in fact he will beat the whole field
Cool, Schumacher is officially 2010 world champion. Let's skip the season and look forward to the 2011 season, or is he gonna win that too?.
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Dec 23 2009, 00:31)

Well, I would amend that, if you look at Brundle vs MS, Brundle very closely matched MS, Brundle beat MS on occasion as much as MS beat him, the problem was that he was too close and Flav got rid of him, much like Trulli and Alonso.
Brundle's time at Benneton was over during the finishing stages of the Belgian GP91. MS leading the race and pulling away from 2 gradually sickening Williams at 4 secs a lap and MB following Patrese home in 4th. Now Flav insn't a man to listen to racing driver excuses or have a lot of sympathy in what he sees as performance not to his liking. And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm a much bigger Brundle fan than Flav fan. In fact I am no fan of Flav, but it is amazing how a man who know's almost nothing about motor racing can be so successful at it. He must have excellent judgement on whom he employs at times to do the work.
Just wish MB would go to Suzi Perry and learn how to do a grid walk about.
Mauseri
Dec 23 2009, 15:46
QUOTE (Alfisti @ Dec 23 2009, 18:45)

Gee you blokes are underestimating Rosberg which means you have a HELL of a lot of faith in Williams, you're basically saying the Williams was right up there as one of the best cars last year. I don't have that faith in them and watch them drop like a stone this year.
I certainly wouldn't judge the car based on Nakajima's performance. Williams wasn't one of the best car and Rosberg didn't make it look like one. Drop like stone? Maybe without the jump start of DD they enjoyed last year.
athlon
Dec 23 2009, 15:50
QUOTE (Bianchimont @ Dec 23 2009, 16:46)

I certainly wouldn't judge the car based on Nakajima's performance. Williams wasn't one of the best car and Rosberg didn't make it look like one. Drop like stone? Maybe without the jump start of DD they enjoyed last year.
...what they enjoyed the first half of last season.
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