MS got hit that is why he spun

Why do you insist on the same neck excuse? The doctor said he's healed, he said that his neck is perfectly fine

Schumacher had a perfect start and passed some drivers, only to have his race ruined with an extra stop due to a FW damage through no fault of his own...Rosberg himself didn't make any impression, who did he pass on track? He benefited by the mistakes/retirements of the drivers in front

How is Rosberg the far better driver today?

Please avoid personal attacks.

Schumacher on BBC: "Race was good fun at the end, a bit tricky at the beginning."

EDIT: Ross Brawn said to Martin Brundle that more parts on car were broken.

EDIT 2: Norbert Haug on BBC calls Schumacher's first 2 races "very good".

Yes,I did see bits and pieces flying up from behind the car (presumably from the underbody,and this was apart from his FW endplate). This wasn't picked up by the commentators for the channel I follow,but then one of them is an old fart so I put it down to that.

Unfortunately I didn't get to see a lot of him on TV,but I'm pretty sure he was driving around with less downforce than the others.

It slipped my mind that Rosberg got out driven by Hamilton around the outside, that was a little questionable from Nico... Hamilton had a better car there, but there didn't seem much of a fight put up against it, which adds to my statement I made somewhere on the board that the race happened around Rosberg and he finished in a safe average position considering his car and retirements.

Rosberg had a good race, too, if Ross and the team praise Schumacher, they should do this with Rosberg, too. Nico extracted everything from the car, the W01 is so comptetitve...

Oh yes, so Michael is so great because Nico lost a position

I didn't mention Schumacher's name one time in that post... I just added a comment about Rosberg, and a fair one at that I didn't leave out the fact Hamilton's car was far better at that stage.

i suspect most of the trolls have nico rosberg pictures covering there walls and they are between the ages of 8 and 13 , probably females that like twilight and robert patinson

We'll have to see at least half-a-season until saying which way this battle is going.

I'll usually have a more serious look after Silverstone... that has been a good point usually to see if someone is in the fight for the WDC or not and it's a good milestone to compare team-mates, too.

You don't want to proverbially shoot people dead like some were shooting Massa dead after just 2 races in 2008 which was in my opinion totally ridiculous. So let's wait a bit, OK?

Just a for Nico, he got a real slating on the forums pre-season and I couldn't see why - in the first two races he's proved a very capable driver, setting consistently fast laps, looking after his tyres and generally coping with a car that isn't all that great right now.

I hope Ross spends some time developing the car with Nico.

Michael ? hard to say, I think Bahrain was a bit of a shock to him and he obviously had a damaged car this race. I'm sure there is more to come from him but I do wonder if his confidence isn't what it was back in the golden years.

Schumacher is embarrassing himself, it is quite sad to watch really, the fact he made such a dogs dinner out of getting past Jamie Alguesari or whatever his name is shows that he is shot and is just embarrassing himself, I hope he retires with dignity after a couple more races and blames his neck and let's Heidfeld see out the season as this season is going to be like Damon/Nige's last season maybe worse

2 qualifying sessions he has been owned by bunny Rosberg and in 2 races he has been too

As a hardcore Ferrari fan who took great joy in Michael's achievements please pack it in man and save yourself from further humilliation

What would probably have happened if Schumacher wasn't hit and had his car damaged was that he was (which was the case after a really poor start by Nico and a great one by Michael) and would have stayed in front of Nico. Nico would then have been the second MGP to come in at the chaotic pitstop, which would have resulted in him having the ruined stop. Schumacher would have totally outclassed Rosberg, but I guess guys like you would still find ways to say Nico outclassed Michael.

Race pace is where its at! How long like did it take Schumi to pass Alguesuari? And after that Nico was lapping 7tenths a lap faster. Complete beat down. Dont get me wrong, I wish good things on Schumi but he is a nobody this year. The press and fans are talking about Alonso. Lewis and Vettel. He should not have made a return to F1.

did Lewham embarass himself not being able to pass a car when he was 2 seconds faster???

It would always take time for Schumacher to get back to grips of things, he is miles closer than he was in round 1. Both drivers had issues in qualifying so we don't know what the real qualifying situation would have been this weekend and as for the race... if I had gone down and kicked Rosberg's front wing off so he had to make a stop and change it only then could we have seen a 'fairer' comparison and come to the conclusion he beat Schumacher in the way you are suggesting (which is Schumacher is trash now).

your embarrassing yourself posting with such blatant ignorance and trolling.

mclaren team boss says you need atleast 3 seconds to be sure you can overtake.
ross brawn said some other parts of the car were broken.
as soon as schumacher had clear air he set the at the time fastest lap of the race.

if he wasnt hit at the first corner the odds are he would have beat rosberg.

i supose hamilton not being able to pass a car thats over 2 seconds slower and on old worn tyres proves he should just retire aswell. maybe hamilton has "neck problems"

Bitter much?

he had a good start, only to have his front wings knocked off by Alonso, had to make an extra stop

After that, his car is damaged (which Ross mentioned to BBC, yet you completely ignored) thus failing to make an impression and it was basically a damaged limitation race

Rosberg himself failed to impress, who did he pass on track? I dont seem remember any

In his first ever race, he finished less than 4 secs behind Rosberg on a car that didnt suit his style, a new layout

Second race, he was only 4 hundreds of a second slower than Rosberg in qualifying and had a better start before having to take an extra stop through no fault of his own.

Youcomplained about MS unable passing Alg, please watch the race again...Massa was faster than Kubica yet couldn't get past....same with Ham who was in avg 1.5 sec perlap faster than Alonso yet couldn't get past....

Alguersuari was having great race. He was faster that Massa group in some moments. Still MGP is not McLaren or Ferrari. And MGP car was not so fast than Torro Roso in the race.

Trolling? that word seems to be fired at people pretty quickly. And it seems half the time all you need to do is dare to say that a certain driver is struggling and you are a troll just looking for a rise. Everyone has a different view. Dont get like Cooper or Bob or whoever he is.

Is it really counting? Man, Lewis overtook Jenson and who won? I don't think drivers get points for their overtaking. Rosberg was simply good with his car and collected some points. Hamilton was even faster than Button, overtaking was not question.

On other hand: Rosberg doesn't like understeering, either, so he will improve as the car improves.

The only 'fault' was the bad start from him and yesterday the two mistakes at the qualify. He could have finished P4.

I was responding to MegaManson who took a dig on MS taking ages to pass JA

Bashing MS and ignoring the rest when he was nursing a broken car was just cheap

Bahrain:
FP1: +0.463
FP2: +0.494
FP3: +0.165
Q1: +0.130
Q2: +0.423
Q3: +0.283
R: -0.032

Melbourne:
FP11: +1.424
FP2: -0.345
FP3: -0.403
Q1: +0.563
Q2: +0.083
Q3: +0.043
R: +0.696

Ok, melbourne race is not a good one to compare both drivers due to incidents that affected schuey, but still we can notice the improvement.
Can't wait KL to check if we will have the same trend.

Michael has had shockers even in his prime. Watch Suzuka 03, or Silverstone 03, where Rubens spanked him. Michael was never really fast at Melbourne and Bahrain even in his prime. Irvine outqualified him at Melbourne in 96. At Rubens first race for Ferrari he got within half a tenth of Michael in qualifying despite having no qualifying engine, and he out qualified him here in 03. In bahrain 06, Massa in his first race for Ferrari matched Michael in qualifying, and was faster in Q2.

When we get to more normal higher speed tracks I think Michael will beat Rosberg. His strength was always high speed tracks not mickey mouse ones like the first 2 this season.

MS's prime IMO was 1996 - 2000.

He got held up on his fast lap in qualifying as well.

The Schumacher fans have nothing but excuses and wait till next races. Rosberg just soldiers on and gets results.

ill let out the inner troll seeing as facts and figures + commonsense fails on these forums.

with rosberg this much faster than schumacher now can you imagine how fast he would be at 41? even badoer would be giving him a run for his money

There are no excuses needed for today. Rosberg was lucky he stayed out of trouble in turn 1 and therefore being in a very good position. Michael had a great start and would have taken both Alonso and Button if it wasn't for those two clashing and damaging Michael's front wing during it. And Michael's 2nd stop was totally butchered.

And after that yes i hoped he could climb back up easy but it seems it wasn't that easy and the speed difference was to little to make it work. He did make two great overtakes in the last couple of laps.

Rosberg won this round but it's pretty clear why he won.

The list gets longer by the day

Enjoy it while it lasts...it should have ended today if not for Alonso.

Bahrain was like a extended test session for MS, these fly away races are not really productive enough following a testing ban winter for the first time in MS's career, for someone making a comeback after 3 years, I think other then having things not working out for him at albert park, he did look pleased with his potential, the qualifying blocking and 1st lap front wing drama just wasn't gonna let him do much.

MS is very much about test, analyse, grand prix, test, analyse, grand prix, it seems the world is waiting for MS to get into the podium and press conference, as it's been 3 years, were more impatient then him, he's the one with the plan, knows Mercedes potential, his potential, he knows how to win title and GPs, and one thing Eddie Irvine usually says is Schuey is patient with the team, he's not a panic man, and if he's angry with something with the car or his performance, it's usually done behind doors, the MS we don't get to see in interviews.

Outclassed and dominated him? Rosberg got 5th place only because Webber crashed into Hamilton otherwise he would have been 7th, only 3 places ahead of Schumacher while Schumi came from 20th to 10th but Rosberg was racing in front all the time.

I don't think Schumi is doing as badly as people are saying. To me the results just prove that Rosberg is (or was) one of the most underrated drivers in F1. After some rookie mistakes in his early career, he has beaten his team mates convinsingly. I also consider him one of the best qualifiers of the field. Ok, in Melbourne he made some mistakes but usually he gets the most out of the car on Saturdays.

In his rookie year, he lost 3 pionts comparing to his team-mate who had been Willams longer than him. In 2006, Willams was using Michelin tires which he did not feel very comfortable considering what his previous tires were Brighestone in GP2, F3. It was a big challenge for him in 2006, specially with the unreliable Cosworth engine and terrible car.

Had Schumi not been punted by Alonso at the start he would have beaten Rosberg today. He set 4th fastest lap and may have been able to get on the podium. His subsequent toiling lower down the field making heavy work of passing inferior cars wasn't that impressive.

First see the race data(lap times,sectors,speed traps), and after this say which car is inferior? First check and then talk. I am saying this for the tenth time today. His passing on other cars would be even less impressive if Buemi, Hulk, Koba and Sutil didn't retire. But, hey Michael also need some luck even on unlucky day. But if this drivers didn't retire Alonso also would have big problems with them.

The facts by numbers.

Qualify
Rosberg 2 - Schumacher 0
Races
Rosberg 2 - Schumacher 0
The others things doesn’t matter.

indeed, they "doesn't" matter

Nico drove very well, a solid clean fast drive. Shaping up well.
Michael. Slings and Arrows (The crash, an extra stop and then a slow pitstop of all things as he waited for tyres to appear for his car), at least he stayed with it and got another point. Shame though, would have been something to see what happened

They both go to the next race under no illusions about each others speed which seems extremely close right now. Watching the whole weekend Michael has clearly closed any gap there was, it will be very interesting to see how it shapes up from now.

I am wondering about the MGP. Some drivers seemed to be able to follow the car in front with as little as a .2 second gap. Bit neither of the MGP ran behind the car in front with as small a gap. So is the MGP particularly bad at following another car, or have MaClaren and Red Bull found something that reduces the running in turbulence problem.

I have noticed that too and marvelling how close Alonso was to Hamilton. It was an old style racing when a driver has to be glued to the exhaust pipe of the car he follows, if he is to have any chance to sling out. Hamilton must have felt that heat was on. It was good racing.

And Rosberg set the 2nd fastest lap, 7 tenths faster than Schumis...

And laptime
Rosberg 2 - Schumacher 0

And the most important...
5 N.Rosberg 20
8 M.Schumacher 9

But you have to consider Schumi's car might be affected by the incident between Alonso and him, because if you noted the whole lap time of them, Schumi was slower than Nico in most of lap time. Generally, although Schumi's condition is not in his top, the real gap is not like that huge.

Hello All. im realy tired caused of this nonsence topic. Roberts Vs Schumi!!!!
okay is this a bout whos better, Whos better? and are you still questioning whos bettter, ?
whats have rosbert achieved so far since hi debut at f1, what has schumacher achieved?
thats the fact, its just a bunch of the new marvell fans.
do you call a success the positions rosbert is acquiring until now?
come on just do you homeworks. MGP maybe have a lot of things to worry about, a 41 years old fox, the allrecords owner and seven tittles achieved but out of form , and a new talent that hasnt show nothing yet. this two drivers. need to raised the game. both of them, and them you fools keep day by day.. asking whos better.
let me teel you something... when rosbert gets all the records schumacher have them we can compared. for now.. its just a crap compare rosbert to schumacher. for its like this:
level A: ( the champions )
Schumacher
Alonso
Hamilton
botom

level B ( the pretenders )
Vetel
Weber
Kubica
Rosbert

level C ( the rest of the pac )
Barrichello
Trulli
Glock
and all the others


So... just by finishing ahead of schumacher at each race.. doesnt count... its just nothing
Victories, records and Championships is that matters


regards


Alex C.

facts by numbers 7 world championships to 0.
races won 91 to 0

young man at his peak barely able to go 0.1 sec a lap faster than someone whos career ended along time ago.


lets see rosberg at 41

At the moment we cannot but judge by their current respective performances in qualifying and the races. As much as we could compare what they acheieved in the past before being teamed up, it is of no use - because it is completely speculative how they would have fared in 2005 if in the same team. It is as speculative as if Schumacher was 32 or if Rosberg was 41, they're not - we can only judge their performance based on this season. As it is of little use to say what could have transpired in the last race; e.g. if Schumacher would not have been touched in the first corner is as irrelevant as the 'if' in 'if Rosberg would have got a better start. What matters is that they are ifs, if one thing A would have been different then so probably would another point at another time (B) in the race - we cannot assume that all other parameters (all the things that happened in the race since corner 1) would have stayed the same if we change one parameter (first corner incident).

this is the bane of Schumacher's return, he will be judged by today's performance, no matter his age, previous accolades or whouldhaves/shouldhaves.