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RoutariEnjinu
I love good satire up.gif
Guizotia
Quick OT (well not entirely OT considering the posts on this thread): how do I find the ignore list function now?
raiseyourfistfor
QUOTE (MWM @ May 23 2009, 13:51) *
You can say that if that is your believe, of course. I respectfully disagree. I would put him amongst the top 5 current drivers, certainly. But this attempt to elevate him above several of his peers is simply not backed up by the evidence, however much he appeals to folk who don't find him the least bit sanctimonious.

I am pleased to see him see the crash will "make him stronger" though. It seems everything that he claims makes him stronger causes him more issues, so more strength to him I say.



LOL top5?? name 3 drivers that are better

QUOTE (Josta @ May 23 2009, 16:19) *
Lewis, nearly won the WDC first year, won second year then nothing.

Jacques Villeneuve nearly won the WDC first year, won second year, then nothing.


Kimi, first year nothing, second year nothing, third year nearly won WDC albeit with illegal tires, fourth year nothing, fifth year, best car yet still managed to lose WDC, sixth year...nothing, seventh year barely squeaked by to win the WDC in a car thats .5 faster then the competition, eight year......nothing, ninth year - nothing yet again
Buttoneer
QUOTE (Guizotia @ May 23 2009, 21:25) *
Quick OT (well not entirely OT considering the posts on this thread): how do I find the ignore list function now?

Good question. There's been so much 'you're on my ignore list now' talk recently and yet with the new board I doubt anyone has been able to find the relevant controls and everyone is in fact diligently reading the board with one eye closed against their particular bad guys haha.
RoutariEnjinu
Click their profile, click the options menu from under their name on the left.

Oh and make sure you confirm the person at the bottom of your ignore list after you click the Ignore option, as that caught me out at first.
Guizotia
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ May 23 2009, 20:27) *
Good question. There's been so much 'you're on my ignore list now' talk recently and yet with the new board I doubt anyone has been able to find the relevant controls and everyone is in fact diligently reading the board with one eye closed against their particular bad guys haha.


Found it (in the Options menu (left hand side) in the My Controls page. Doesn't seem to be a short-cut to do it direct from the username any more.)

Thread has more sanity now.

One (only?) advantage of starting from the back is a lack of pressure and more fun. I'm looking forward to seeing what Lewis can do. If he drives this improved car like he drove the less improved ones in races gone by, it will be exciting... except of course that the chances of not finishing are higher, with those barriers.
Guizotia
Can Lewis change his fuel load now he has a grid penalty? Or does he still start with the declared weight?
werks prototype
Lewis had a bad day at the office today, first time this season and as Coulthard mentioned it is no coincidence that both the KERS carrying Ferrari and McLaren got out of shape, Massa was just luckier.

However I have to say as much as I'm looking forward to Buttons start I will equally have an eye on Lewis to see what he can do against such odds at the back.

So as a motor racng spectacle it is definitely on.

I should have known when I looked at the autosport forums that a Hamilton topic would be top after today, something about crawling out the woodwork and all that. Mind you if the anti-ferrari brigade (Kubica for example wave.gif ) did they same I can only say they would have been very, very busy this season.

What is it about the anti-Lewis crew lacking 'so' much class.

He's your world champion too. cat.gif
as65p
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ May 23 2009, 22:27) *
Good question. There's been so much 'you're on my ignore list now' talk recently and yet with the new board I doubt anyone has been able to find the relevant controls and everyone is in fact diligently reading the board with one eye closed against their particular bad guys haha.


But we know it's not so much about really using the ignore list. Instead the main point is to talk about doing it.

So wherever the button is hidden, who cares.

;)
Josta
QUOTE (BMW_FAU @ May 23 2009, 22:47) *
Lewis didn't get Davey sacked. Davey got Davey sacked. Oh did I mention I hate Alonso? I hope he never wins another race again. roflmao.gif


So Lewis didn't lie???

Lewis made a press conference in which he said he was not to blame and Davey was entirely to blame.

So, is Lewis a sap and a liar, or just a liar?

This press conference was the most disgusting display of blaming someone else that I have seen.

Lewis chose his reputation above Dave's career. Scum, end of.

BMW_FAU
QUOTE (Josta @ May 23 2009, 22:57) *
So Lewis didn't lie???

Lewis made a press conference in which he said he was not to blame and Davey was entirely to blame.

So, is Lewis a sap and a liar, or just a liar?

This press conference was the most disgusting display of blaming someone else that I have seen.

Lewis chose his reputation above Dave's career. Scum, end of.

Whatever lewis had said, Davey would have been sacked either way. Don't pretend to be sorry for Davey. You are just angry that Hamilton didn't get sacked.
Slartibartfast
QUOTE (Josta @ May 23 2009, 22:57) *
So Lewis didn't lie???

Lewis made a press conference in which he said he was not to blame and Davey was entirely to blame.

So, is Lewis a sap and a liar, or just a liar?

So Dave Ryan didn't lie?
QUOTE
This press conference was the most disgusting display of blaming someone else that I have seen.

Lewis chose his reputation above Dave's career. Scum, end of.


So you've never seen a politician in a press conference? What a sheltered life you lead!



OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (Guizotia @ May 23 2009, 16:25) *
Quick OT (well not entirely OT considering the posts on this thread): how do I find the ignore list function now?


You can also do it from your own control panel. Click on My Controls in the upper right (first in the list), then down on the right you'll see "Manage My Ignore List." From there I think it's self-explanatory.

I'll admit to having taken a couple people off my list, seems they don't piss me off as much any more.

As far as fuel load for Lewis, I wonder. Good question. Maybe he should go ahead and fill 'er up and take some kind of gamble on an SC or something.

Also would like to put my fanboy hat on, simply to take it off to Lewis for giving a great, humble, post-prang interview. No excuses, just didn't know what he was thinking, lost it, sorry to the team.

drunk.gif
pingu666
shame he binned it, but if you watchef fp2 atleast, looked like he would crash at some point, shame it was in q1 :/
ashnathan
QUOTE (pingu666 @ May 24 2009, 10:07) *
shame he binned it, but if you watchef fp2 atleast, looked like he would crash at some point, shame it was in q1 :/


Just shows he was deadset on it, and knew this was his best opportunity and wanted to be on the absolute limit to make the maximum of his chance, but just pushed that tiny bit too far. Big shame.
dabrasco
QUOTE (OfficeLinebacker @ May 23 2009, 23:24) *
Also would like to put my fanboy hat on, simply to take it off to Lewis for giving a great, humble, post-prang interview. No excuses, just didn't know what he was thinking, lost it, sorry to the team.

drunk.gif


lol he told the team, sorry for wasting your time roflmao.gif

it must be crazy the pressure every driver has, its unlike most other sports....

cos u got like 500 pple working on a car, after all their sleepless nites, doing their part, they count on you to deliver and make all their hustle count.

tmrws race should be fun though, its a shame bout Lewis, I always felt that of all the drivers, he would be the one to be the most consistent in the race

but like someone said, he did look on the edge all weekend....so im not too surprised sht fked up, shame it happened in qualifying.


i think some other drivers are going to bin it tmrw too.... SC at some point 'for sure' tongue.gif
potmotr
Strange for Lewis to invoke the spirit of Stallone in Rocky just then on the BBC.

"Adriaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnneeee!"
kar
Good attitude to have though. Next year, as both Lewis and Button have found out, can be very different. Lewis has a dog of a car this year...it's doubtful that will be the case next year.
Anomnader
QUOTE (Pegaso @ May 24 2009, 11:06) *
He's usually worse than that.


Can't see any problem with it? What do you think is wrong, he wasn't bashing Kimi, so I'd calm down on that, the comment is in response to some saying that Lewis is like JV and will never win anything again, he made a comparison to another driver showing that using such comparisons is drivel as its just used to bash a driver as it fails to take a look a drivers in similar positions, so why bash lewis on it and not other drivers? simple its just a reason to bash.
Buttoneer
Does anyone think this won't make him stronger?
mkay
Hamilton needs a brain implant.
potmotr
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ May 24 2009, 15:02) *
Does anyone think this won't make him stronger?


Did we get a 'drive my heart' out today?

Coral
Lewis said after the race that he made mistakes at the start, he made no excuses for his performance and he was very gracious and offered congratulations to Jenson. Yet still he get bashed...bashing for bashing's sake. ambivalent.gif
Bruce
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ May 24 2009, 10:02) *
Does anyone think this won't make him stronger?


oh yeah - Couldn't you see the strength oozing from him at the end of that race? And think of all the good lessons he's taken away from it - the practice of driving in your rearview mirrors so you move over for the leaders, scrapping with the BMWs over last place - I tell ya - this guy is gonna be a contender in Turkey with all his newfound strength....
tongue.gif

Not to be unkind... but that whole "this will make me stronger" comment is laughable...

Bruce
QUOTE (Coral @ May 24 2009, 10:09) *
Lewis said after the race that he made mistakes at the start, he made no excuses for his performance and he was very gracious and offered congratulations to Jenson. Yet still he get bashed...bashing for bashing's sake. ambivalent.gif


No. Pointing out the obvious about his moronic - "I'll emerge stronger" comment.
undersquare
What a star is Lewis - not even in contention, lapped, but still his thread is at the top of the list lol.gif
Anomnader
my, the amount of perfect people in this forum who never missay anything, do you have to members of mensa to be able register on here?

I think if most on here had a microphone thrust in front of their faces after a race they'd just warble nonsense, what lewis said wasn't the most interesting, but its scraping the barrel to have it spread over several pages to prolong a bash.
potmotr
QUOTE (Coral @ May 24 2009, 15:09) *
Yet still he get bashed...bashing for bashing's sake. ambivalent.gif


I'm not bashing him.

But there's no reason why we can't poke a little fun at his various idiosyncracies is there?
Coral
QUOTE (undersquare @ May 24 2009, 15:13) *
What a star is Lewis - not even in contention, lapped, but still his thread is at the top of the list lol.gif


Absolutely...it's strange that people seem to want to talk about Lewis rather than Button...
undersquare
QUOTE (Bruce @ May 24 2009, 15:11) *
No. Pointing out the obvious about his moronic - "I'll emerge stronger" comment.


The one from Thursday, 3 days ago? That you already moaned about? That is moronic lol.gif
Thunder Chat
QUOTE (Bruce @ May 24 2009, 15:10) *
oh yeah - Couldn't you see the strength oozing from him at the end of that race? And think of all the good lessons he's taken away from it - the practice of driving in your rearview mirrors so you move over for the leaders, scrapping with the BMWs over last place - I tell ya - this guy is gonna be a contender in Turkey with all his newfound strength....
tongue.gif

Not to be unkind... but that whole "this will make me stronger" comment is laughable...



why is it laughable, what do you think he should say? what would you say in his position?
Bruce
QUOTE (undersquare @ May 24 2009, 10:16) *
The one from Thursday, 3 days ago? That you already moaned about? That is moronic lol.gif


Three days??? That's NOTHING - I'm sure I'll still be talking about it 2 weeks from now when Lewis "emerges stronger" at Turkey... tongue.gif

Thunder Chat
come on, what would you say? and why is what he said laughable?
Anomnader
QUOTE (Bruce @ May 24 2009, 15:19) *
Three days??? That's NOTHING - I'm sure I'll still be talking about it 2 weeks from now when Lewis "emerges stronger" at Turkey... tongue.gif



I think if you do, the person looking bad won't be Lewis, its stretching things that you need to stretch this little comment out so long, I thought you wasn't a basher?
klyster
QUOTE (Bruce @ May 24 2009, 15:11) *
No. Pointing out the obvious about his moronic - "I'll emerge stronger" comment.


QUOTE (Bruce @ May 24 2009, 15:19) *
Three days??? That's NOTHING - I'm sure I'll still be talking about it 2 weeks from now when Lewis "emerges stronger" at Turkey... tongue.gif



Well, maybe not so moronic because he probably will emerge stronger than he did today, or do you think otherwise?

13th or worse in the next race? Possibly at Turkey.

We'll see, and I'll remember.
potmotr
Every great champion has his dud seasons when there's no much he can do.

Schumacher 1996 and 2005, Alonso 2008, Senna 1992, Piquet 1989, Prost 1991, Hakkinen 2001, Hill 1997 and 1999, Raikkonen 2008...

I think Lewis just needs to get through the year now. I think, if anything, we'll be seeing less of him as the press get bored of the Lewis-in-the-mid-field story.

Anomnader
If anything Lewis should just starting relaxing and enjoy his racing, target just getting on the podium as realistically its going to take a lot to stop Button.
undersquare
QUOTE (Thunder Chat @ May 24 2009, 15:18) *
why is it laughable, what do you think he should say? what would you say in his position?


Well in theory if Bruce were Hamilton presumably he'd say "I'm horrid, everything is wrong with me, everything I do and everything I say, plus various things I didn't. But I beat Fernando Alonso so what can I expect?" roflmao.gif

Yes Bruce see you in Turkey (though Lewis might have said something else by then) tongue.gif
Bruce
QUOTE (Anomnader @ May 24 2009, 10:20) *
I think if you do, the person looking bad won't be Lewis, its stretching things that you need to stretch this little comment out so long, I thought you wasn't a basher?



Sorry - I forgot - we're not supposed to have memories in this forum...
Bruce
Wow - you guys are brilliant! Hamilton finishing better at Turkey is gonna be a big victory, eh? roflmao.gif

For those being obtuse, "emerging stronger" doesn't mean "finishing higher at the next race" it's a comment made to the effect that this is a character building experience - good on Hamilton for being a good sport at the end of the race - but if you really think finishing fourth from last is going to help him build his confidence, well, I disagree.

I do think Klyster is right htough - it'd be hard for LH to do worse in Turkey than he did here. But I don't necessarily think that this would mean that he's emerged stronger".

Nuff said.
pUs
QUOTE (potmotr @ May 24 2009, 16:25) *
Every great champion has his dud seasons when there's no much he can do.

Schumacher 1996 and 2005, Alonso 2008, Senna 1992, Piquet 1989, Prost 1991, Hakkinen 2001, Hill 1997 and 1999, Raikkonen 2008...

I think Lewis just needs to get through the year now. I think, if anything, we'll be seeing less of him as the press get bored of the Lewis-in-the-mid-field story.


Sure. However, Schumacher took three great wins in 96, Alonso two great victories in 2008, Senna in 1992, Hakkinen likewise in 2001. Hill 1999 though, that's another story which probably won't ever be explained fully tongue.gif

Anyway, even a "bad" year for really great drivers has often resulted in at least one or two against-the odds victories. I guess that's what sets them apart. However, 2009 is by no means finished. I think Hamilton still has a good chance of winning a race, and it will be on merit.
Seanspeed
QUOTE (pUs @ May 24 2009, 11:32) *
Sure. However, Schumacher took three great wins in 96, Alonso two great victories in 2008, Senna in 1992, Hakkinen likewise in 2001. Hill 1999 though, that's another story which probably won't ever be explained fully tongue.gif

Anyway, even a "bad" year for really great drivers has often resulted in at least one or two against-the odds victories. I guess that's what sets them apart. However, 2009 is by no means finished. I think Hamilton still has a good chance of winning a race, and it will be on merit.

Its a bit different nowadays, though. A standard tire and similar engines means that a car's performance remains a bit more static from race-to-race(relative to the competition) and there's less mechanical retirements than before.

Only Alonso's win at Fuji last year could be considered merited, but it still relied upon the front runners being taken out of the equation.

Basically, what Lewis is looking at is a huge uphill battle, and he's going to need to rely on his team more than ever to give him a car thats capable of running at the front. But other than that, if things keep going the way they are, then he's going to need a minor miracle to actually win a race.
Kooper
QUOTE (kar @ May 24 2009, 08:59) *
Good attitude to have though. Next year, as both Lewis and Button have found out, can be very different. Lewis has a dog of a car this year...it's doubtful that will be the case next year.


I think LH stepping straight into WCC cars + the over-the-top British media is why lots of folks hate/bash Lewis. Plus he doesn't help things with many of his comments being slightly arrogant in nature. As he is finding out, drivers that are open w/ their feelings is a For Sure formula for BB bashing. Lying and not taking any blame doesn't help either.
Bruce
QUOTE (TheHumanPromise @ May 24 2009, 11:41) *
Basically, what Lewis is looking at is a huge uphill battle, and he's going to need to rely on his team more than ever to give him a car thats capable of running at the front. But other than that, if things keep going the way they are, then he's going to need a minor miracle to actually win a race.


I'd agree with you - and it's not really Lew's fault to be fair: the Mclaren obviously isn't working all that well, and, where Ferrari seemed to be out of the equation in the first 3 or 4 races, they seem to be coming back a little now. I think it's going to be a long and "character building" season for both Lew and McLaren.... I'll be interested to see the state of play in Turkey.
Bruce
QUOTE (Kooper @ May 24 2009, 11:51) *
+ the over-the-top British media is why lots of folks hate/bash Lewis.


Ta-DA! Got it in one. Mind you - I have to say that this season, without James Allen wetting himself every time he mentions Lewis, things have improved....
Seanspeed
QUOTE (Bruce @ May 24 2009, 11:52) *
I'd agree with you - and it's not really Lew's fault to be fair: the Mclaren obviously isn't working all that well, and, where Ferrari seemed to be out of the equation in the first 3 or 4 races, they seem to be coming back a little now. I think it's going to be a long and "character building" season for both Lew and McLaren.... I'll be interested to see the state of play in Turkey.

No, of course it isn't Lewis' fault. There's only so much a driver can do, no matter how good they are. All things considered, he's done a respectable job so far.
Anomnader
QUOTE (TheHumanPromise @ May 24 2009, 16:56) *
No, of course it isn't Lewis' fault. There's only so much a driver can do, no matter how good they are. All things considered, he's done a respectable job so far.


For once I agree with both posts wink.gif

Monaco qualifying excluded (which was a pity cause he and mclaren looked on fire)

He has being driving very good, fast brave but above all, very considered.


He's out of the running this year, but if he gets a better car next year, it'll be interesting to see if this years experiences will improve him.
potmotr
I don't believe it, here is the Lewis post-Monaco team press release quote.

Lewis seems to be saying this every time he speaks!

McLaren-Mercedes

Lewis Hamilton (12th): "It was an extremely tough race. I raced my heart out and feel satisfied with my performance today.
undersquare
QUOTE (potmotr @ May 24 2009, 20:52) *
I don't believe it, here is the Lewis post-Monaco team press release quote.

Lewis seems to be saying this every time he speaks!

McLaren-Mercedes

Lewis Hamilton (12th): "It was an extremely tough race. I raced my heart out and feel satisfied with my performance today.


Written by a different PR luvvie I expect, just back from hols and a bit out of touch tongue.gif
potmotr
QUOTE (undersquare @ May 24 2009, 20:55) *
Written by a different PR luvvie I expect, just back from hols and a bit out of touch tongue.gif


His heart must be like the bird on a cuckoo clock...!
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