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Alx09
QUOTE (Johnrambo @ Mar 28 2010, 10:26) *
Pathetic from the spoiled brat to whine on the radio after his team has supported him through thick and thin. down.gif


Don't you think he have the right to be extremely frustrated after driving a simply amazing race, only to be screwed by the team of what could've easily been a 1-2 victory for McLaren. I've never been so angry after a race as I was today, so I can imagine how frustrated Lewis must've been.
mclarensmps
QUOTE (mkay @ Mar 28 2010, 04:16) *
Because at the end of 2010, Lewis can easily break the contract and leave the team, especially with the 2 other top teams having free seats. Ah, and I forgot. His father is not his manager anymore.

So, there's a quite a big difference in 2010 compared to previous years.


With Kubica going to Ferrari and Raikkonnen going to Red Bull, and Mercedes unwilling to pay high wages, where is he going to go?

Exactly.


QUOTE (Johnrambo @ Mar 28 2010, 04:26) *
Pathetic from the spoiled brat to whine on the radio after his team has supported him through thick and thin. down.gif


Blah blah blah, I hate Lewis Hamilton blah blah.
Claudius


The team made a mistake in calling him a second time, but that happens. At the time it seemed a good call.

And should the team be mad and angry in public every time Lewis makes a mistake? Bashing him in the radio broadcast for the world to hear?
Poor showing from Lewis today.
Maybe seeing Jenson driving so good is getting to Lewis, I dunno...
PassWind
Very nice drive by Lewis and has the right to be upset with the team a little, I don't think the team looked at Kubica and the Ferrari's in relation to Button enough to judge, Rosberg stopping caused a bit of a team brain fade I think and its hindsight I suppose the team wanted to cover but from what in the end?
mclarensmps
What's annoying me about this Lewis bashing regarding the radio transmission is that Drivers complain ALL THE TIME, where we usually don't get to hear it. Just because this was broadcast on the telly, the vultures are swooping down and gnawing away at Lewis.

It's really quite pathetic, really. At least find something credible to bash him with, he did drive a phenomenal race, there is no two ways about that.
hunnylander
QUOTE (Claudius @ Mar 28 2010, 10:33) *
Poor showing from Lewis today.

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"All I know is the guys do, always, a fantastic job, but the strategy was not right,"

He may say it, if he felt that so. And his showing was ace! The camera showed him the most, and for a reason. Great entertainer, great driver! He deserves appreciation for today's drive.
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (PassWind @ Mar 28 2010, 04:34) *
Very nice drive by Lewis and has the right to be upset with the team a little, I don't think the team looked at Kubica and the Ferrari's in relation to Button enough to judge, Rosberg stopping caused a bit of a team brain fade I think and its hindsight I suppose the team wanted to cover but from what in the end?


Kubica himself was expecting to pit again.... it was risky but not so bad of a call considering the how much time Lewis was losing behind the Renault... in fact he pretty much catched him again after the pitstop..

Obviously, overtaking is something else..
Bonaventura
QUOTE (Alx09 @ Mar 28 2010, 08:30) *
Don't you think he have the right to be extremely frustrated after driving a simply amazing race, only to be screwed by the team of what could've easily been a 1-2 victory for McLaren. I've never been so angry after a race as I was today, so I can imagine how frustrated Lewis must've been.

Its hard to see Jenson dad and the crew celebrating in the rocket red shirt
While Lewis is giving interviews and is looking so sad

Lewis was clearly the faster of both he overtook Jenson on the trak after the safety car
had the much better star, would have been in front of Jenson, if he had not to toe on the gras, becaus Jenson made a mistake and spun Alonso

Today McLaren clearly favoured Button
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (Claudius @ Mar 28 2010, 04:33) *
Poor showing from Lewis today.


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Seek help.
mclarensmps
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Mar 28 2010, 04:38) *
Today McLaren clearly favoured Button


Don't think it is favouritism...

Jenson took the risk to get the lead. He built up a comfortable margin so there was no longer a need to take a risk with him. The team decided to take a risk with Hamilton and it backfired. Everyone will get over it, and it will be a new gameface in Malaysia.

werks prototype
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Mar 28 2010, 08:36) *
What's annoying me about this Lewis bashing regarding the radio transmission is that Drivers complain ALL THE TIME, where we usually don't get to hear it. Just because this was broadcast on the telly, the vultures are swooping down and gnawing away at Lewis.

It's really quite pathetic, really. At least find something credible to bash him with, he did drive a phenomenal race, there is no two ways about that.


Yeah exactly, we heard Jensen last year panicking screaming on the radio "the car is completely different" etc. The point is Hamilton did drive a great race today, the team call/strategy did compromise him, he had a busted front wing endplate and Webber has apologised (admitted guilt smile.gif ) Plus for McLaren, Button just pulled of an amazing win.
Claudius
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Mar 28 2010, 10:37) *
drunk.gif

"All I know is the guys do, always, a fantastic job, but the strategy was not right,"

He may say it, if he felt that so. And his showing was ace! The camera showed him the most, and for a reason. Great entertainer, great driver! He deserves appreciation for today's drive.


Ok, fine but I'm pretty certain that half the fans here would react differently if the team had blasted it's driver in public for making a mistake. That's all I'm saying.
If that makes me a "hater" than so be it...

BTW he had a great race and he seemed like the only one making good overtakings stick. Too bad Webber drove into him, cause Alonso was about to be overtaken...

RodrigoL
Is there a way one can express criticism of Hamilton's mini-outburst on the radio, or continued criticism of the team without being called a hater/etc. ?

QUOTE
Q: Did you choose to do that? Who told you to come in?

LH: I don't know, we'll find out.

This question in particular made me feel sad, I hope Macca don't sacrifice another team member like Davie Ryan or like Ferrari did with Luca B. It wouldn't be fair to the strategists as drivers have involvement too - sometimes it works out (JB) sometimes it don't (LH)...
Claudius
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Mar 28 2010, 10:38) *
lol.gif

Seek help.


I meant his radio bashing, not his driving.
raiseyourfistfor
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Mar 28 2010, 04:30) *
With Kubica going to Ferrari and Raikkonnen going to Red Bull, and Mercedes unwilling to pay high wages, where is he going to go?

Exactly.


If raikonen and Lewis want the same salary who would you take? The guy who is going flat out all the time or the "cool" driver who has a tendancy to crash / not finish races.
Raelene
werks

e also complained to the press - you don't do that

I thought he drove a brilliant race, but towards the end he was letting something else take over his concentration...
Coral
Lewis was totally shafted by McLaren today and quite rightly he is very pissed off. frown.gif If they don't watch out they will lose him and then they will regret it.
Bonaventura
Norbert Haug RTL:

Jenson won, because he took the Joker
At the moment Hamilton overtook Button, the (McLaren)Box must have thought, we have to do/risk something
I don't know why they don't have pitted Lewis, right after Jenson...

Norbert seems to be a Lewis fan wink.gif
undersquare
QUOTE (Claudius @ Mar 28 2010, 08:43) *
I meant his radio bashing, not his driving.


The team will totally accept Lewis challenging them on that obviously crap call. He's supposed to do that, it's not as if he's going to sulk about it.
RodrigoL
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Mar 28 2010, 08:45) *
If raikonen and Lewis want the same salary who would you take? The guy who is going flat out all the time or the "cool" driver who has a tendancy to crash / not finish races.


Wait now I'm all confused....the 2nd one is Lewis right? wink.gif
ashnathan
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Mar 28 2010, 18:38) *
Its hard to see Jenson dad and the crew celebrating in the rocket red shirt
While Lewis is giving interviews and is looking so sad

Lewis was clearly the faster of both he overtook Jenson on the trak after the safety car
had the much better star, would have been in front of Jenson, if he had not to toe on the gras, becaus Jenson made a mistake and spun Alonso

Today McLaren clearly favoured Button


As christian horner said before the race, it doesn't matter who it is, but the leading driver in the race will always get preferential treatment over the one behind unless championship points state otherwise. And jenson was ahead of lewis and a win first and foremost is the main priorety for mclaren, so theyh were right in 'favouring' jenson but at the same time, the team told him to come in in 3 laps for drys, and he said no im coming in now and he did

Now i still believe mclaren screwed up royally, but at the same time, maybe lewis should start questioning them, or instead of telling lewis to pit, ask his opinion, can you keep these tyres going and can you pass kubica, if not you can pit when ready or something. I think that may be the case in later races, cos if mclaren told button to pit aswell for fresh rubber i think he would have told them to stick it up their ass and said he can make them last. i still lay the blame on mclaren though. But i think lewis should maybe speak up and say no if he doesnt want to lose track position next time.
Raelene
i totally agree he should call them on it

you just don't do it in public....

when you want to tell your boss off - do you do it in front of the whole office?
grunge
kudos to lewis on the race today...he was phenomenal to be honest..with 6 laps to go,i honestly thought we were in for a borefest with both lewis and webber following alonso to the end.it tooks guts to try what lewis did... up.gif hamilton
nawz
I agree Lewis needs to take man up and take decisions for himself showing his leads the pack not follows.
moredeep
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Mar 28 2010, 17:46) *
Norbert Haug RTL:

Jenson won, because he took the Joker
At the moment Hamilton overtook Button, the (McLaren)Box must have thought, we have to do/risk something
I don't know why they don't have pitted Lewis, right after Jenson...


Because it was an extreme gamble, and that it was Button's idea to change to slicks first, not the team's. Once Button was setting fastest laps with his new tires is when everyone became convinced
werks prototype
QUOTE (Raelene @ Mar 28 2010, 09:45) *
werks

e also complained to the press - you don't do that

I thought he drove a brilliant race, but towards the end he was letting something else take over his concentration...


Yeah you do. You be yourself. The same guy that drove that great race today. + There are numerous precedents. It's all good stuff. Whitmarsh has accepted responsibiltiy, as has Webber for his little altercation, if Hamilton wasn't pissed today he would be a drone. And then people would be highlighting that. Bloody good day for McLaren regardless.
mkay
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Mar 28 2010, 04:30) *
With Kubica going to Ferrari and Raikkonnen going to Red Bull, and Mercedes unwilling to pay high wages, where is he going to go?

Exactly.


You have a crystal ball, now? Can you tell me the winning ticket for next week's lottery?

Raikkonen to RBR is far from done and Kubica to Ferrari is still wishful thinking. Actually, both moves are wishful thinking.

If Lewis is available, I reckon a team like RBR might want to go and attract him. Imagine the marketing campaign centered around him; crazy.
Monad
Resold of the next FOTA meeting on how to improve the show.

Make Lewis always start behind the first 10. wave.gif
Anomnader
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Mar 28 2010, 08:46) *
Norbert Haug RTL:

Jenson won, because he took the Joker
At the moment Hamilton overtook Button, the (McLaren)Box must have thought, we have to do/risk something
I don't know why they don't have pitted Lewis, right after Jenson...

Norbert seems to be a Lewis fan ;)


Lewis and Rosberg at Merc next year tongue.gif
undersquare
QUOTE (Raelene @ Mar 28 2010, 08:48) *
i totally agree he should call them on it

you just don't do it in public....

when you want to tell your boss off - do you do it in front of the whole office?


This is F1, not The Office tongue.gif
Mc_Silver
Lewis you re the best overtaker i have ever seen great job. He would have finished at least 2nd he was the fastest man on track in clean air.
mkay
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Mar 28 2010, 04:42) *
Is there a way one can express criticism of Hamilton's mini-outburst on the radio, or continued criticism of the team without being called a hater/etc. ?


This question in particular made me feel sad, I hope Macca don't sacrifice another team member like Davie Ryan or like Ferrari did with Luca B. It wouldn't be fair to the strategists as drivers have involvement too - sometimes it works out (JB) sometimes it don't (LH)...


I don't think Martin Whitmarsh (who made the call) can fire himself... or wants to fire himself.
werks prototype
QUOTE (nawz @ Mar 28 2010, 09:49) *
I agree Lewis needs to take man up and take decisions for himself showing his leads the pack not follows.


That's true from now on regarding stopping. And that is what Jensen demonstrated today.
Raincoat
QUOTE (Coral @ Mar 28 2010, 08:45) *
Lewis was totally shafted by McLaren today and quite rightly he is very pissed off. frown.gif If they don't watch out they will lose him and then they will regret it.



Were exactly would he be going to? ohwell.gif
jesee
QUOTE (Monad @ Mar 28 2010, 09:52) *
Resold of the next FOTA meeting on how to improve the show.

Make Lewis always start behind the first 10. wave.gif


lol.gif To be honest Lewis is a very entertaining driver. Take him out of that race and you take half the fun. Pity they got it wrong including him the whole of this weekend, but the danger is when this guy is down he comes out fighting. Watch out Malaysia!
Bonaventura
QUOTE (kids like ash @ Mar 28 2010, 08:47) *
As christian horner said before the race, it doesn't matter who it is, but the leading driver in the race will always get preferential treatment over the one behind unless championship points state otherwise. And jenson was ahead of lewis and a win first and foremost is the main priorety for mclaren, so theyh were right in 'favouring' jenson but at the same time, the team told him to come in in 3 laps for drys, and he said no im coming in now and he did

Now i still believe mclaren screwed up royally, but at the same time, maybe lewis should start questioning them, or instead of telling lewis to pit, ask his opinion, can you keep these tyres going and can you pass kubica, if not you can pit when ready or something. I think that may be the case in later races, cos if mclaren told button to pit aswell for fresh rubber i think he would have told them to stick it up their ass and said he can make them last. i still lay the blame on mclaren though. But i think lewis should maybe speak up and say no if he doesnt want to lose track position next time.

Was Jenson ahead at the moment he decided to change tyres? (i don't remember)
Lewis overtook him after the safetycar came in
mkay
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Mar 28 2010, 04:54) *
Were exactly would he be going to? ohwell.gif


Read my post next time.

Ferrari: Massa (no contract for 2011 onward)
RBR: Webber (no contract for 2011 onward)
Mercedes: 2 drivers contracted for 2011-2012, but with Schumacher not having a great start, he could decide to call it quits. What better way for Mercedes to get back at McLaren than stealing LH away from them?
werks prototype
Haug just gave Hamilton the drive of the day. up.gif Round the outside turn 12 eek.gif eek.gif
fed up
QUOTE (kids like ash @ Mar 28 2010, 08:47) *
Now i still believe mclaren screwed up royally, but at the same time, maybe lewis should start questioning them, or instead of telling lewis to pit, ask his opinion, can you keep these tyres going and can you pass kubica, if not you can pit when ready or something. I think that may be the case in later races, cos if mclaren told button to pit aswell for fresh rubber i think he would have told them to stick it up their ass and said he can make them last. i still lay the blame on mclaren though. But i think lewis should maybe speak up and say no if he doesnt want to lose track position next time.


The impression I got from one of Lewis' radio exchanges is that the team told him that the others would be pitting and therefore by pitting earlier and doing some banzai laps he would jump them. When it dawned on him that the rest weren't pitting he got angry - understandably so IMO because a driver can only make descions based on the information given to him.

Jenson made the call to switch when Hamilton had passed him on the track. It was the old "we were racing Alonson" scenario - Button gambled to get ahead. Had Lewis not passed him he would likely have pitted as scheduled.

Mclaren have a habit of c0cking up strategy. On pure pace alone Jenson wasn't a race winner today - Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso were quicker. That said, he benefited from good luck, the right strategy call, Vettel's retirement and the unpredictability of rain. Well done to him up.gif
Bruce
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Mar 28 2010, 04:38) *
Its hard to see Jenson dad and the crew celebrating in the rocket red shirt
While Lewis is giving interviews and is looking so sad

Lewis was clearly the faster of both he overtook Jenson on the trak after the safety car
had the much better star, would have been in front of Jenson, if he had not to toe on the gras, becaus Jenson made a mistake and spun Alonso

Today McLaren clearly favoured Button


Yeah - that's right - McLaren hung their golden boy out to dry.... Really?

Button was BEHIND Lew, when he made his stop. Even IF Lewis had made a stop after, Button STILL would have won (if he couldn't pass Alonso on rubbish tyres, why would he be able to pass Button)?

McLaren made the right move - Lew was stuck behind Kubica, and he hadn't made any suggestion that a pass was likely - pitting was the obvious choice - too bad for Lew, the Ferrari's didn't. We'll see how much McLaren likes lew blaming them for his misfortune - but I'd remind all that Lewis started 11th (his own fault) and had actually passed Button on the track. Button still beat him - and it wasn't the team that did THAT - it was button. Sorry lewis fans - once again he's being a whinger - remember Monaco 2008? (waah! but I really wanted to win!!!!! Bad Mclaren! Bad Alonso!) Seems familiar dunnit?

Look - Lewis got himself in a good position in this race - well done - and 6th is higher than I thought he'd finish. But ultimately, the race was won on Button's clever (at the time, though - disastrous looking) call. Lew can whine and blame all he wants - he was beaten fair and square. Button made his own luck this race. Lewis didn't. He can complain all he wants. He can tell us all how he "drove his heart out" (and I guess Jense didn't???) - it's meaningless. Lewis didn't make the call - Jenson did - game over - grow up, Lew.
Raincoat
QUOTE (jesee @ Mar 28 2010, 08:55) *
lol.gif To be honest Lewis is a very entertaining driver. Take him out of that race and you take half the fun. Pity they got it wrong including him the whole of this weekend, but the danger is when this guy is down he comes out fighting. Watch out Malaysia!



When you look at the race, if you take Lewis out of the equation the race would not have been that much different to Bahrain. Even Nurbert said Lewis was the driver of the day and made it race what it was.
Coral
Norbert Haug just said Lewis was "the man of the race" and said "poor boy". Awww...he is fond of Lewis isn't he? kiss.gif
meddo
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Mar 28 2010, 09:52) *
Lewis and Rosberg at Merc next year tongue.gif

And that¨s not an impossible mission wink.gif
MegaManson
With his aggressive style there is not a hope in hell that Hamilton would have got to the end having done 50 laps on those tyres, Button is easy on his tyres Hamilton is very hard on his tyres, they would not have lasted the race IMHO

I don't understand his moaning tbh, he had to come in for 2nd set because he is rough on his tyres
mkay
QUOTE (Bruce @ Mar 28 2010, 05:00) *
Yeah - that's right - McLaren hung their golden boy out to dry.... Really?

Button was BEHIND Lew, when he made his stop. Even IF Lewis had made a stop after, Button STILL would have won (if he couldn't pass Alonso on rubbish tyres, why would he be able to pass Button)?

McLaren made the right move - Lew was stuck behind Kubica, and he hadn't made any suggestion that a pass was likely - pitting was the obvious choice - too bad for Lew, the Ferrari's didn't. We'll see how much McLaren likes lew blaming them for his misfortune - but I'd remind all that Lewis started 11th (his own fault) and had actually passed Button on the track. Button still beat him - and it wasn't the team that did THAT - it was button. Sorry lewis fans - once again he's being a whinger - remember Monaco 2008? (waah! but I really wanted to win!!!!! Bad Mclaren! Bad Alonso!) Seems familiar dunnit?

Look - Lewis got himself in a good position in this race - well done - and 6th is higher than I thought he'd finish. But ultimately, the race was won on Button's clever (at the time, though - disastrous looking) call. Lew can whine and blame all he wants - he was beaten fair and square. Button made his own luck this race. Lewis didn't. He can complain all he wants. He can tell us all how he "drove his heart out" (and I guess Jense didn't???) - it's meaningless. Lewis didn't make the call - Jenson did - game over - grow up, Lew.


The usual Bruce. You'll have a field day, man.

Jensen did not have to "drive his heart out" because he did not need to. With Vettel pulling away and later DNF'ing and Kubica too slow in that Renault, Button was on "cruise" for 50+ laps.

mkay
QUOTE (MegaManson @ Mar 28 2010, 05:02) *
With his aggressive style there is not a hope in hell that Hamilton would have got to the end having done 50 laps on those tyres, Button is easy on his tyres Hamilton is very hard on his tyres, they would not have lasted the race IMHO

I don't understand his moaning tbh, he had to come in for 2nd set because he is rough on his tyres


Bridgestone rep say Lewis looked more after his tyres than Button.... in 2010!
rhukkas
QUOTE (Bruce @ Mar 28 2010, 10:00) *
McLaren made the right move - Lew was stuck behind Kubica, and he hadn't made any suggestion that a pass was likely - pitting was the obvious choice - too bad for Lew, the Ferrari's didn't. We'll see how much McLaren likes lew blaming them for his misfortune - but I'd remind all that Lewis started 11th (his own fault) and had actually passed Button on the track. Button still beat him - and it wasn't the team that did THAT - it was button. Sorry lewis fans - once again he's being a whinger - remember Monaco 2008? (waah! but I really wanted to win!!!!! Bad Mclaren! Bad Alonso!) Seems familiar dunnit?


Button got owned by hamilton and rather than fall behind and look slow he gambled. Someimes you win sometimes you lose. He drove well of course...

Regarding 'that' call by McLaren. It was utter stupidity! It was so obvious when he pitted that Kubica was just going to stay out

McLaren knew Button could last the distance but assumed that Kubica, Alonso and Massa couldn't? As soon as Hamilton pitted the obvious choice for Renault was to keep Kubica out. This strategy was just pure fail.

Let's not forget Rubens whinge last year which was then followed by him pretty much outclassing Button for the rest of the year.
Anomnader
QUOTE (Bruce @ Mar 28 2010, 09:00) *
We'll see how much McLaren likes lew blaming them for his misfortune - but I'd remind all that Lewis started 11th (his own fault)



Sorry incorret, Q2 he was sent out on old tyres and too much fuel.
Pampalini
I think Lewis got a bit tired in the last 15 laps... at least in mind. No suprise- he had a hell of a race with awesome pace and tricky overtakings. That's the cause of the degrading performance- and the silly outbursts in the end of the race.
Raelene
QUOTE
Bruce

Look - Lewis got himself in a good position in this race - well done - and 6th is higher than I thought he'd finish. But ultimately, the race was won on Button's clever (at the time, though - disastrous looking) call. Lew can whine and blame all he wants - he was beaten fair and square. Button made his own luck this race. Lewis didn't. He can complain all he wants. He can tell us all how he "drove his heart out" (and I guess Jense didn't???) - it's meaningless. Lewis didn't make the call - Jenson did - game over - grow up, Lew


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