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I'm reading enough:) He's leading EuroF3 and before that crashed everyone in FRenault. I think that Whitmarsh is more involved with his career and someone at McLaren said that they dont like GP2, so may be testing somewhere? He definetely needs to know the tracks before ending up in F1.
I think they should put him in GP2 since it's the next logical step.
If the kid is all they say he is (well he's proven it hasn't he?), then he shouldn't have a problem in GP2
If the kid is all they say he is (well he's proven it hasn't he?), then he shouldn't have a problem in GP2
Give him time, he's doing the job. McLaren have an option on him and he is responding to every challenge. Go Lewis! 
Originally posted by Ivan
If they have I missed it.
If they have I missed it.
Or you weren't reading early enough. I remember an F1 Racing article on him when he was about 12.
Originally posted by 100cc
I remember an F1 Racing article on him when he was about 12.
I remember an F1 Racing article on him when he was about 12.
And that's my point.
Btw I think I remember that early one, it's when I first heard of him.
Nice to see my old thread being revived- still haven't changed my sig in almost 2 years and not intending on changing it yet ;)
Originally posted by Slyder
I think they should put him in GP2 since it's the next logical step.
Reportedly, Lewis wanted to do GP2 this year. But his Uncle Ron told him to do F3 again and made it clear he could kiss goodbye to McLaren-Mercedes support if he didn't do what he was told.
I think they should put him in GP2 since it's the next logical step.
I guess the plan is GP2 in 2006 with maybe some F1 testing, then he takes Kimi's seat in 2007 if (when?) he bales out to go to Ferrari.
Originally posted by BRG
Reportedly, Lewis wanted to do GP2 this year. But his Uncle Ron told him to do F3 again and made it clear he could kiss goodbye to McLaren-Mercedes support if he didn't do what he was told.
I guess the plan is GP2 in 2006 with maybe some F1 testing, then he takes Kimi's seat in 2007 if (when?) he bales out to go to Ferrari.
Reportedly, Lewis wanted to do GP2 this year. But his Uncle Ron told him to do F3 again and made it clear he could kiss goodbye to McLaren-Mercedes support if he didn't do what he was told.
I guess the plan is GP2 in 2006 with maybe some F1 testing, then he takes Kimi's seat in 2007 if (when?) he bales out to go to Ferrari.
That would really suck for Ron!
I dont know anything about this guy but from talks it seems that Ron is trying to slow down his coming to F1, or just calculating that it would happen on exact year.
Originally posted by Will
Nice to see my old thread being revived- still haven't changed my sig in almost 2 years and not intending on changing it yet ;)
Nice to see my old thread being revived- still haven't changed my sig in almost 2 years and not intending on changing it yet ;)
Hey Will,
Haven't seen you post in awhile.
Yeah I was getting a little annoyed that nothing is being said about him in the press.
Originally posted by F1Johnny
Ron Dennis has repeatedly boasted that Lewis Hamilton will be the first black in F1.
wRong again.
Ron Dennis has repeatedly boasted that Lewis Hamilton will be the first black in F1.
Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
wRong again.
wRong again.
Originally posted by jokuvaan
I dont know anything about this guy but from talks it seems that Ron is trying to slow down his coming to F1, or just calculating that it would happen on exact year.
I dont know anything about this guy but from talks it seems that Ron is trying to slow down his coming to F1, or just calculating that it would happen on exact year.
Couldn't they just bring him in on loan to Minardi or Midland if he wants to go to F1 as soon as possible? Much like Renault did with Alonso.
Originally posted by AlesiUK
i hate to be the first to mention it,since it shouldnt be a factor at all,but does anyone else think Hamilton will face difficulties with the racial thing?it will be a big step to have a [B]coloured driver in f1.
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i hate to be the first to mention it,since it shouldnt be a factor at all,but does anyone else think Hamilton will face difficulties with the racial thing?it will be a big step to have a [B]coloured driver in f1.
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So what colour is he? Yellow? Purple? Red or Blue
Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
wRong again.
wRong again.
He wont be 1st to test, but I think 1st to race:)
The guy is JUST 20! Give him a few more years.
If I was his manager I would put him in another series (GP2?) next year.
In 2007 I would let him start testing and learning F1, combined with racing (GP2).
By 2008 he should be ready to conquer F1.....
I think this is exactly what Ron Dennis has planned
If I was his manager I would put him in another series (GP2?) next year.
In 2007 I would let him start testing and learning F1, combined with racing (GP2).
By 2008 he should be ready to conquer F1.....
I think this is exactly what Ron Dennis has planned
Originally posted by Dudley
http://cars.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_cars...arthikeyan1.jpg
Man looks pretty damn coloured to me.
http://cars.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_cars...arthikeyan1.jpg
Man looks pretty damn coloured to me.
Yes, but he is not black, he is Indian.
For what it is worth, Lewis has AFAIK one white and one black parent. Like Halle Berry.
Far more to the point is that he has now wrapped up the 2005 F3 Euroseries by a country mile and is clearly an extremely capable young driver. As and when he enters F1, it ought to be on his merits as a driver, not due to his ethnicity, nationality or the size of his sponsorship wad. But I don't suppose the media will let that happen... :\
Far more to the point is that he has now wrapped up the 2005 F3 Euroseries by a country mile and is clearly an extremely capable young driver. As and when he enters F1, it ought to be on his merits as a driver, not due to his ethnicity, nationality or the size of his sponsorship wad. But I don't suppose the media will let that happen... :\
Originally posted by Dudley
http://cars.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_cars...arthikeyan1.jpg
Man looks pretty damn coloured to me.
http://cars.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_cars...arthikeyan1.jpg
Man looks pretty damn coloured to me.
coloured?
Colour is irrelevant, talent is everything
Last weekend Lewis Hamilton secured the F3 Euro Series championship at Zandvoort
Last weekend Lewis Hamilton secured the F3 Euro Series championship at Zandvoort
Originally posted by BRG
Far more to the point is that he has now wrapped up the 2005 F3 Euroseries by a country mile and is clearly an extremely capable young driver. As and when he enters F1, it ought to be on his merits as a driver, not due to his ethnicity, nationality or the size of his sponsorship wad. But I don't suppose the media will let that happen... :\
Far more to the point is that he has now wrapped up the 2005 F3 Euroseries by a country mile and is clearly an extremely capable young driver. As and when he enters F1, it ought to be on his merits as a driver, not due to his ethnicity, nationality or the size of his sponsorship wad. But I don't suppose the media will let that happen... :\
Well said. The media is going to be all over this, just like the did to Tiger Woods.
I think its a bigger deal in America, if anywhere; and even then it will be a minor event. I just dont see the racial issue in Europe like I did stateside.
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I think its a bigger deal in America, if anywhere; and even then it will be a minor event. I just dont see the racial issue in Europe like I did stateside.
I think its a bigger deal in America, if anywhere; and even then it will be a minor event. I just dont see the racial issue in Europe like I did stateside.
I think you're right on that. I don't think it will attract a lot of attention. It doesn't seem to in Euro F3, but then I have only been able to follow it on the net.
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I think its a bigger deal in America, if anywhere; and even then it will be a minor event. I just dont see the racial issue in Europe like I did stateside.
I think its a bigger deal in America, if anywhere; and even then it will be a minor event. I just dont see the racial issue in Europe like I did stateside.
Very sad but, true.
Looks like he will be in GP2 next year taking over from Nico.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/48116
He will need to do well immediately if he wants to be in F1 IMO.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/48116
He will need to do well immediately if he wants to be in F1 IMO.
I like the way Lewis has moved steadily through the ranks and gone upwards on pure merit. GP2 is exactly the right place to be it is the next step and I wouldn't be surprised if he settled in straight away. Of course if he had a name like Lauda he would be already there but still he's doing just fine he has great McLaren support.
Lewis does seem to want to do this thing properly. He seems quite patient. I doubt he would be able to test with any other team but McLaren so any chance of him making the jump without their approval is unlikely.
I just hope he is not going to be stuck at McLaren so much so that it prevents him from taking up another opportunity.
I just hope he is not going to be stuck at McLaren so much so that it prevents him from taking up another opportunity.
Actually he wanted to go into GP2 last year but wasnt allowed to.
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Actually he wanted to go into GP2 last year but wasnt allowed to.
Actually he wanted to go into GP2 last year but wasnt allowed to.
And thus he wiped the floor with Euro F3
Wouldn't surprise me if he'd do the same in GP2.
Corners : I think he's quite happy he's got the talent and not the name rather than the other way around. Lauda may be in GP2/A1 now, but ultimately he doesn't stand a chance of achieving anything above that. Hamilton is a dead cert to get into F1 and as far as I'm concerned a pretty good shot at a future WC.
I dont understand why people dump on Lauda so much. Though it is an amusing end-around to my argument that a last name gets you a lot more attention...
So it looks like GP2 with ART then ...
What do you guys make of his F3 season this year? On paper it looks damn impressive to say the least. But F3 is a funny business - I wonder how much of that was the driver and how much was the car.
Still remember how Sato and Magnussen respectively also dominated in a strong F3 series and
... well ....
What do you guys make of his F3 season this year? On paper it looks damn impressive to say the least. But F3 is a funny business - I wonder how much of that was the driver and how much was the car.
Still remember how Sato and Magnussen respectively also dominated in a strong F3 series and
... well ....
So lets take the guys that dont win F3 races then...
Originally posted by LuckyStrike1
So it looks like GP2 with ART then ...
What do you guys make of his F3 season this year? On paper it looks damn impressive to say the least. But F3 is a funny business - I wonder how much of that was the driver and how much was the car.
Still remember how Sato and Magnussen respectively also dominated in a strong F3 series and
... well ....
So it looks like GP2 with ART then ...
What do you guys make of his F3 season this year? On paper it looks damn impressive to say the least. But F3 is a funny business - I wonder how much of that was the driver and how much was the car.
Still remember how Sato and Magnussen respectively also dominated in a strong F3 series and
... well ....
Maybe its because:
1) They were brought WAY too early into F1 (you don't make the jump from F3 to F1 unless you're fully prepared, that's what F3000/GP2 is there for)
2) F1 cars they drove were pretty bad pieces of shit, obscuring their talent thanks to the car's crappiness.
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
So lets take the guys that dont win F3 races then...
So lets take the guys that dont win F3 races then...
Well, it wasn't meant as bashing Ross.
Just a curious question what the opinion is of him here.
I think he's been avesome this year, and looks like the real deal. I look forward to see him in GP2 next year.
He was way better than his teammate this year - so that really shows something. But how much of a car advantage did they have? That is my question - how much was the driver and how much was the team.
Originally posted by F1Johnny
I just hope he is not going to be stuck at McLaren so much so that it prevents him from taking up another opportunity.
I just hope he is not going to be stuck at McLaren so much so that it prevents him from taking up another opportunity.
Without Mac's help he may well have not had the oppurtunity to reach the level he is at, I'd say he owes them a lot.
I'm just glad he's being given the opportunity to at least test GP2, and if we're to believe the Autosport story, to race there next season. Thank god Merc aren't insisting on shipping him off to DTM a la Jamie Green / Gary Paffett... that really would have been a shame.
I hope he gets a real teammate
Parente might run him close....
Maybe.
Jp
Maybe.
Jp
I was thinking more like a Perera.
I still can't see him winning GP2 in 2006 - he'll be up against a lot of good drivers who have a year's head start in the series over him, and experience is vital at that level. I think he'll win races, but the championship might be beyond straight out of the box.
Originally posted by Clatter
Without Mac's help he may well have not had the oppurtunity to reach the level he is at, I'd say he owes them a lot.
Without Mac's help he may well have not had the oppurtunity to reach the level he is at, I'd say he owes them a lot.
Oh, I absolutely agree. They have really paved the way for him, but I also don't want them to constrain him getting into F1 just because they don't have a ride for him. He is a talent and if JPM and Kimi are there for another 3-4 years, I would not want to see Lewis stuck as a 3rd driver till 2008/9.
Well look at Nico Rosberg. He did rather good - and he was up against drivers like Kovalainen (WSR-experience), Pantano & Bruni (F1-experience) and guys with F3000-experience.
Still he went from F3 and won both teh championship and several races. Yes- this was the first year of GP2. But there were a lot of drivers with experience of more powerful cars compared to what Nico had driven before GP2.
If Nico could do it, I'm sure Lewis Hamilton has the potential of doing the same.
Still he went from F3 and won both teh championship and several races. Yes- this was the first year of GP2. But there were a lot of drivers with experience of more powerful cars compared to what Nico had driven before GP2.
If Nico could do it, I'm sure Lewis Hamilton has the potential of doing the same.
Originally posted by Jackman
I still can't see him winning GP2 in 2006 - he'll be up against a lot of good drivers who have a year's head start in the series over him, and experience is vital at that level. I think he'll win races, but the championship might be beyond straight out of the box.
I still can't see him winning GP2 in 2006 - he'll be up against a lot of good drivers who have a year's head start in the series over him, and experience is vital at that level. I think he'll win races, but the championship might be beyond straight out of the box.
He doesn't need to win the whole thing to get into F1 IMO. A few race wins and some podiums against the more experienced drivers would be good enough.
I don't think there's much question about him getting to F1 - I was just stating that I can't see him winning the series next year.
Thought it was interesting that his people pulled him out of Macao this year, by the way.
Thought it was interesting that his people pulled him out of Macao this year, by the way.
Originally posted by Jackman
I still can't see him winning GP2 in 2006 - he'll be up against a lot of good drivers who have a year's head start in the series over him, and experience is vital at that level. I think he'll win races, but the championship might be beyond straight out of the box.
I still can't see him winning GP2 in 2006 - he'll be up against a lot of good drivers who have a year's head start in the series over him, and experience is vital at that level. I think he'll win races, but the championship might be beyond straight out of the box.
Hamilton scored 1 win, 5 podiums and a pole in his first season Euro F3.
Anyway, it's difficult to tell what a driver will do based on his previous seasons in other classes. Rosberg wasn't exactly super impressive in his 2 years in Euro F3, yet he became champion in GP2. Kubica was completely unimpressive in Euro F3, yet won WS Renault this year.
In Euro F3 with a Merc engine; GP2 is big boys racing. He may do well, but dont assume he will.
Although he's fastest in this morning's session, which means he'll be F1 champion in 2007.
Based on the full lap times GP2 testing is meaningless. They troll around at 30s and 31s, come out from the pits for a short run and click off 28s or 29s for 2 laps then straight back into the pits and back to 30s.
In terms of GP2 testing not being representative of actual pace, one need only look at BCN.
Blistering all winter, but finished the championship 9th out of 12 teams (and that was only after Viso got a brace of podiums in the final few races.)
Lewis is a talent, no doubt about it, but as Jackman says, he doesn't need to win GP2 to get into F1. His path is pretty much assured, just as Scott Speed's was this season - and he didn't even need to win a race, let alone the title!
Blistering all winter, but finished the championship 9th out of 12 teams (and that was only after Viso got a brace of podiums in the final few races.)
Lewis is a talent, no doubt about it, but as Jackman says, he doesn't need to win GP2 to get into F1. His path is pretty much assured, just as Scott Speed's was this season - and he didn't even need to win a race, let alone the title!
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