okay i am not that good!

Alonso didnt know that - there was a yellow flag it's specifically says no overtaking

he didnt saw it, because in the tunnel there is bad light and it is not a straight!
when he was said that there were yellows, he let chandhok reovertake him!

1. This is a Lewis Hamilton thread
2. Your occupation is clearly not race driving (no professional would waste their time on a web forum like you are). I've retired from being a racing dad I've got an excuse
3. Why are you so bothered about Hamilton?

There are massive yellow flashing lights...

See your looking for excuses for Alonso's cheating - the fact he missed it means noting - "officer i didnt see the car i crashed into" isnt a valid excuse...
Same as People are doing for Hamilton missing a line by less than 1.5m

who are you to judge on that?
look at hedifeld he has enough time!




i am not!
actually i like some things about him

@all don't have a go at YellowHelmet were finally getting a decent convosation going...

what cheating
tell me what advantage did alonso had with that?

It's not about advantage - he overtook under a yellow that is against the rules...

You cant overttake under yellow and then give it back...

It's a safety condition...

Alonso has crashed for cheating and ignoring yellows before so should have kown..

should an alonso fan ever try to use that excuse after Singapore 2008.

Can you not see the false logic in that statement?
You justify calling his actions "illegal" by claiming they are against the spirit of the sport, yet also justify calling his actions against the spirit of the sport by claiming they are "illegal".

I think I missed out the legal system you are using - Religious Law, cf Taliban, Inquisition and Witch-hunt.

Please support your claim that Hamilton's actions were against the spirit of the sport with some form of reference.
Until or unless you do, the defence case is that the prosecution has not produced a case to answer and is wasting the court's time.

And running into the back of Kimi in Canada. Bottom line is if Hamilton does something by mistake everyone loses their sense of rationality. I guess its a compliment to him that they don't believe he is capable of making mistakes and he does it all on purpose!

To be fair he's not joking. I found a picture of him in action:

Not the fans fault - but Alonso should give the Singapore 2008 trophy back thats discusting that he has it - did he know about it - probably - why would he pit on lap 12 and be last??? we've all heard him on team radio and the fuss he makes since...

I hate to be so cynical but im 90% Alosno know about that plan - which was the worst cheating we have ever seen int he sport

Still wrong thread

This is about Hamilton not alonso (directly)

if it is not clear, and afterwards you are said that you overtook under yellow and than you give it back, everything is fine!
dont you think?

how do you know, it was me

as you said, wrong thread, and it is not about you being suspicious!

Hamilton got a penalty for that and rightly so as it was a avoidable accident.

Incidently I was annoyed as it' destryoed Kimi's race

But this is a good example of safety car luck - Hamilton was going to win it if the safety car had not of come out and screwed him - so it shows how the safety car can work both for or agains you

illegal advantage is against the spirit of sport!

no - you sould get a penalty...

in some racing if you jump a chicane (even by accident) you get a penalty... it's much more fair

the safety car screwed him or did he screwed himself and kimi?

Both!!!

The SC came out - when it didn't really need to for Sutil - Hamilton screwed Kimi

if the yellow flags were out for 10 or more seconds sure, but the yellow flag was just waved (the lights went on) when alonso was overtaking chandhok, who said before the race he would let alonso pass and was moving to the left to let the race line free for alonso!
it was a very unclear situation, but as alonso was proven wrong he let chandhok reovertake him!

Doesn't matter breaking the rules is breaking the rules - It was only 1 meter he missed the SC line - and he had already passed the SC once if you watch the full replay so 6 of once 1/2 dozen of the other...

sure and different situations are different situations! so dont mix it up!

Well he's the performer of June =
http://www.castroldriverrankings.com/edge-...-lewis-hamilton

But number one...
euhm let's see.. next GP is the british GP, last year in the same weekend it was the german GP...
remember this year's british GP results will replace last year's german GP results.

Vettel scored a 2nd place then (podium, a 4th place on the grid & 4th fastest lap of the race) ... so an equal result or a little bit better result (win, pole, fastest lap) could even give Vettel extra points and he will still remain on his number 1 spot.

But Hamilton had a bad results in that weekend last year= 18th in the race, 5th on the grid & 15th fastest lap, this will probably be much better this year .. in normal conditions.. so yes a win, podium, pole position, etc.... could bring on that number 1 spot.... as long as he stays behind the safety car ;-).

Why not? The rules are quite clear- I have shown examples of where Hamilton and Alonso have both benifitted and lost out due to them.

i moved that discussion to the alonso thread, before somebody feels annoyed discussing about alonso here!

And finally,
- by, well, take a guess...

so you rather sum up some post which are not all connected together, then instead arguing why an illegal adavantage is or is not against the spirit of sport
interesting? maybe not

of what are you afraid?
why dont you try to answer the question?

I would appreciate it if you showed me the courtesy of reading my posts and then summoning up some form of argument ( as in reasoned debating point, not shouting match) rather than quoting me, ignoring the content of my post and repeating logical fallacies.

we are here for debating f1, so do it or not!
if you want to argue with me, answer why was that illegal advantage not against the spirit of the sport?
i already argued why i think it was!

if you dont like, okay, if yes i would be glad!

pple ask why is it "illegal", you say it is against the spirit of the sport

they ask why, you say because it is an illegal advantage...circles


and you still do not see how you have no rational basis at all

are you joking, i already explained it several times!
before incident kimi p1 after incident kimi p11
before incident massa p4 afer incident massa p 9
before incident hamilton p2 after incident hamilton p4
so he gained over his main rivals althought he made an error --> illegal advantage and that illegal advantage is against the spirit of sport!

but i explained it, i think already 5-6 times if not more!
so why are you acting as this is new?

So by that rational Alonso should give his trophy for Singapore back should he not?

if the race will be annuled! Yes!

isnt that, that the race fixing after an court decision is not clearified yet?

Certain members of the teams culpability may not be clarified yet, but the fact it was a deliberate act has been, so that is irrelevant really isn't it. Anyhow that is another topic entirely, the issue is simply the inconsistencies in your arguments and before you ask me to prove it, I have a life!

as you said, not all is proven, until now there are just some accusations!

regading your life: have fun ;)
and i will take a break, too!

Big mistake, but fairly common around here. Apparently you under the impression that because Hamilton is the thread topic it's his supporters home ground and all others are only guests. NOT so, I'm afraid.

So your argument, if I understand correctly, is that a driver should not suffer less than any of his rivals as a result of his own illegal actions.

That much is a fair opinion.

But you keep attempting to justify Hamilton's actions as "illegal" by referring to the "spirit of the sport" and also attempting to justify his actions as against the "spirit of the sport" by calling them "illegal" - that is circular logic.

What people here have been asking you to do is justify one or the other with reference to something concrete (definite).

For Hamilton's advantage to be "illegal" it must break a rule. The "spirit of the sport" is not a rule, therefore it cannot be used to justify the term "illegal".

If you were to use the term "unfair" rather than "illegal" then perhaps we would have a reasonable starting point for a debate. But it would be a very poor basis for deciding whether a penalty be imposed.

I didn't say that at all. I said, "Certain members of the teams culpability may not be clarified yet, but the fact it was a deliberate act has been."

Therefore Alonso winning was against the spirit of the sport, after he profited illegaly due to that incident!!

Can we please get back to Lewis Hamilton and take this bitchfight about Alonso and his crew to the Alonso topic?

Can someone please share that link again where PDR talks about Lewis, "Lewis being the most talentend driver he ever met ... .

Thanks in advanced!

It's not a bitch fight, it is a theme that has been running all day about the 'the spirit of the sport and profiting illegally!

Yellow Helmet is convinced Hamilton profited Illegally in Valencia however he defends Alonso winning in Singapore.

This is a thread about Lewis Hamilton. It is impossible to discuss Lewis without including, to some extent, discussion about Alonso. However, discussion about specific events should take place in the appropriate thread. This is not a 'fan' thread, we do not have them here. This is a place for discussion of both his strengths and his weaknesses and is not for the exclusive use of one group.

We would nevertheless appreciate it if the discussion could be a little more mature please, and that name calling or labelling like 'fanboy' or 'bashers'' for anyone you might disagree with is stopped.

Please remember the house rules and report posts that break them.

Half way down the page check out the video

I just love the way Hamilton sinks into the feeling that Senna had driven that actual car and goes silent for a moment as he savours the feeling

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/238070/...er-at-goodwood/

I know mate, its hard when screaming against a big wall without ears ... Let is go mate

Fair enough. Did my "big mistake" constitute an "illegal advantage"?
TBH my point about Yellowhelmet being poorly equipped related to his inconsistent and illogical arguments, not whether he was pro or anti Lewis.

Your right of course and I shall take your advice

just to remind ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjb46t0Y7I...feature=related