Wow Hamilton brags in the BBC interview he got more from the car than it had to offer. Back to physics classes LH you cannot drive faster than the car can go.

common vernacular used throughout F1 and everyone including you knows what he meant.

That means he made mistakes on the fast lap. Even that was a mistake he had no time for a second flyer on the tyre set at the end of Q3.

Why does it mean that? He went onto say that he couldn't have got anymore out of it...

This is why this forum is just so tiresome and boring - the constant niggling, nitpicking Hamilton-bashing. It just drains all the life and sense and intelligence from debate.

So he said he's the fastest driver ever?

No one of the historic F1 drivers could have gone faster with that car?

I haven't heard or read the interview yet, and I understood something he had more from the car, than what he delivered with it, it seems wrongly.

To me this was the impression, as the team missed the window to make a final flyer on the very last set.

If it's any consolation, the same guy keeps bashing Alonso in the other threads. Just ignore him.

I think he got the most out of it today. And it was a great save at the pit entry. That could've been disastrous. Lewis is always fun to watch.

Who did start the chain of events?

Of course, it wasn't Alonso.

It started earlier behind the scenes. Even on Thursday there were signs there is big power fight in the team (both drivers were removed from press conferences and from the media). Alonso blackmailed Dennis on that weekend with Spygate and asked number 1 status for keeping his mouth shut. These relate to what happened on the qualifying. Everything started behind the scenes, so you cannot know who started it there.

The only guy who screwed his team in 2007. is Alonso. He cheated and then McLaren had to pay for it.

Wow, history twisting in the making!

Well, of course some others in McLaren cheated too, but in the end Alonso was the only one who got away with it.

About screwing his team - thats exactly what Alonso did in Hungary. What Lewis did was unfair towards Alonso, but what Alonso did was unfair towards the team. To explain difference upfront - Hamilton didn't take any time off Alonso, however Alonso response was to screw Hamilton's lap.

It was clear that Hamilton disobeyed orders during qualifying to piss Alonso off. Alonso simply reacted badly after that.

Lewis got the maximum out of the car as always, and he's entertaining us
The sad thing is, he has to fight with dull weapons against RedBull

It was an order in Alonso's mind, which was disobeyed. Hamilton wanted to stay ahead of Raikkönen on the out lap, Alonso was behind Raikkönen.

Before Hungary, there were team tactics and team orders against Hamilton in the favor of Alonso. Even the first garnd prix started with this, when Lewis was removed from ahead of Alonso by team tactics.

Hungary was the place from where Hamilton didn't want to play second fiddle any further. Alonso was favoured enough, your disobeying stuff was a minor issue, which doesn't equal what Alonso did in Q3. Why didn't he overtake Raikkönen and Hamilton on the outlap? He expected red carpet ahead of him. He expects red carpet ahead of him in every team.

Another lap... What about fuel? Do you want another Canada?

Meanwhile on the internet, an expert claims Vettel's pole was nothing to do with his car.........

No.

It's about tyre warming and tyre performance.

A tyre warmer slowish flyer plus a big push flyer would have been better. It was tactical fail. But I didn't know about it then, but I didn't like the single flyer thing, when I see the Red Bulls and the Ferrari go for a second flyer, and McLaren misses it by a couple of seconds.

McLaren: Both our drivers drove sensibly and well to get safely through to Q3 – and, once there, we elected to give them each two single-lap runs. They both drove very good laps – but as things turned out it wasn't easy to nail a time on a single lap

From what I could see only Webber and Rosberg set out with having two hot laps during Q3 from those in the top 5.

Yes, but it wasn't fully clear when I watched the TV live, but the track got faster and faster with every lap. It was important to have the final run at the very end.

Alonso and the Red Bull improved near half a second compared to Q2, Lewis improved only 1 tenth, despite track evolution was extremely rapid. The timing and/or tyre warming wasn't optimal, I think, and McLaren may think the same knowing their qualifying report.

I see you're trying to re-write history a little there. Raikkonen was behind them both, Alonso followed Hamilton very closely for the first lap, not wanting to let Raikkonen by is a very poor excuse that Hamilton used.

2007 saw some great driving by both of them and also some poor behaviour. What Alonso exposed though was the amount of hypocrisy at Mclaren, especially from Ron Dennis. Ron likes to make a big song and dance about treating both drivers equally but this is only when it suits him. He is such a control freak that he can't let things play out equally when it is going to go against his favourite. Interesting to note how they completely abandoned the equal treatment policy the following year by crippling Heikki with heavy fuel loads so he wouldn't get in Hamilton's way. That remains their only title for a while too.....

Anyway, no-one wants to go over that year again

It wasn't intentional. I remembered Raikkönen was a factor in the thing, but I remembered a wrong order, sorry.

Still, Alonso isn't less selfish driver and we cannot know what happened behind the scenes before the qualifying.

That fuel burning tale might be a made-up story in trying to save Alonso from the FIA punishment.

The timing is important, but you cannot assume that is the only factor at play. How much more did Red Bull turn up their engines for Q3, for instance.

Quote;

"I think I got more than what we had in the car out of it and I couldn't really ask for anymore."

Boy, you´ve got to love this guy. I have it on good authority he can get 300ml out of a 250ml bottle of water. Now that takes some doing.

Well, that's what Hamilton said in his defence.. Why should I believe him, and not believe what Alonso said after qualifying?

Alonso said he was informed that he would be held at the pits for 20 seconds BEFORE he even came it. He was told of the plan and he obeyed it, but Lewis did not agree with the plan and therefore the team and Alonso got penalized by that.

........................................................................

Anyway, what is obvious to me was that Hamilton told Ron Denni to f*** off in Hungary and did not respect the agreement. He deliberately didn't follow orders so Alonso couldn't do an extra lap.

Hamilton: "Don't ever f---ing do that to me again."

Dennis: "Don't f---ing talk to me like that."

Hamilton: "You can go and f---ing swivel."

Remember?

After that, he and his dad deviated from the official McLaren line to have Alonso punished. No wonder Alonso was so furious...he was punished by not breaking any rule!



At the end of the season Hamilton had 6 more extra laps than Fernando! An extra qualifying lap with even less fuel can make a hell of a difference to the end result of a race.

How can you explain that?...

Over the course of a season, Hamilton was more favored by Mclaren and the FIA than Alonso was, without a doubt.

Mclaren can only blame themselves for 'gifting' both titles to Ferrari.

P.D: I said what I had to say and I won't post about 2007 anymore in this thread.

How on earth did this get raked up again?

I can see some choosing to make up stories again.

Yeah, just like when people say 'I gave it 110%'. You've got to love those people.

Obvious?

Did you hear it? No. Did the FIA say it's existing in the radio conversation? No.

I cannot remember it as I didn't hear it.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61464

There might have been a fierce conversation
but
Does anyone think that Ron Dennis let one of his drivers speak to him like this?

Well done to Lewis today - the massive time difference to Jenson shows he was on it in all three Q sessions.

If the radio conversation was posted and it disproved Lewis being verbally abusive, some here would say that the evidence had been tampered with, that it had been edited.

Look at the technical gearbox issue he suffered with in Brazil 2007. Despite the onboard footage, comments from the team and the lenght of time it took him to get going again, some still believe it was down to his own actions, pressing the pit limiter or neutral button.

Well, the only question is if your consciously try to fool people, or if you just have no clue (about a Hungary race, of all places )

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=4659939

Oh, hilarious!

I see, a half-assed apology immediately followed by allegations against Alonos made of thin air. Marvellous.

If you look for something made up, look no further than Hamiltons claims about Räikönnen being a factor.

Has this topic gone into a 2007 timewarp? All the evil Hamilton's fault again, eh? Poor little Alonso, behaved impeccably and never put a wheel wrong all season?

Hamilton certainly isn't evil, never was and never will be. For that, a bit more substance between the ears is required.

Annyoing at times, entertaining most of the times, and by no means only on track! But evil? Nah...

That may also have something to do with the best "technical explanation" given by the team was: magnetic glitch.

Which sounds a tad unprofessional, to say the least. Only marginally more convinving than moon phases, earth field lines or "the force".

A bit like the power lines in Singapore I guess. I recall people scoffed when RBR suggest that was a possible cause for their gearbox problems.

Also what about the false neutrals McLaren were experiencing earlier this season? The explaination was 'this sometimes happens'. Now the onboards indicated that the cars were definately experiencing a few glitches 'this sometimes happens, its not a problem' doesn't sound technically astute to me, yet that doesn't mean blame lies at the feet of the drivers.

Good comeback.

Not really. The stereotype of Hamilton not being intelligent is a myth that some bashers keep trying to build, with dubious intent.

If he is intelligent he hides it pretty well ...

He doesn't have to "hide" it.. the personality that we see of most drivers, very rarely resembles the true man.

Meeting them in person, or watching them closer than the few snippets you get on TV, is a more accurate way to determine the personality of a driver.

Not that I really care less... it's the racing i'm here for.. the politics and soap opera stuff is just an amusing sideshow for me.

With all due respect, with the things he sometimes comes out with, one could be forgiven for questioning his intelligence.

That goes for just about every driver.

Well he sorted out poor Fernando didn't he? Joint No1 from their 5th race together in spite of their huge difference in status. Totally destabilised him, took the team away from him, and left him in the wilderness for 2 years.

And look at Lewis' life, it's very together. Very much the way he wants it to be, and see what he says about his management. He has great vision, great control.

Look at how he recovered from Alonso withdrawing his setups, after Spa he went back to the factory, worked it out with the engineers, and after that Fernando didn't see which way he went.

People hype up his mistakes as though only he makes them (especially Alonso fans ) but there's plenty of evidence he's quite clever. Not hugely in an academic sense, possibly, but in the way he directs what he has.

Lmao, Yes, Ron Dennis is smart.

Agree 100%

To anybody who questions Lewis' intelligence... try this:

Ask anybody who has ever interviewed Lewis, about the rules for a Lewis Hamilton interview.

You can't ask about this

You can't talk about that

Lewis won't discuss this

Lewis won't discuss that

Anybody who goes against this, gets the interview cut off in very sharp fashion, and will always be refused future interviews.

He is a smart cookie who lives a very measured and controlled existence.. Someone who is lacking upstairs, wouldn't be able to manufacture this sort of operation in his high profile life.