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joesaward: I guess he knows who he is, because he just emailed me… Seemed rather upset.
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Ooh, it's like a right little soap opera this.
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Oct 10 2010, 21:37) 
Not sure where to put this, so this seems like the obvious thread - it seems like there's some "blog sniping" going on:
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/...ight-on-sunday/
And the "we're" bit from Joe Saward is taking a swipe at:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/10/look...going-to-korea/
Specifically the title: Looks Like We're Going To Korea.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/...ight-on-sunday/
And the "we're" bit from Joe Saward is taking a swipe at:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/10/look...going-to-korea/
Specifically the title: Looks Like We're Going To Korea.
This Saward guy seems pretty silly
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QUOTE (Gfhuus @ Oct 11 2010, 08:11)
This Saward guy seems pretty silly .
.Not as silly a guy who hoodwinks people into believing he is going to Korea ... there is a word for it: con.
QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 11 2010, 10:24)
Not as silly a guy who hoodwinks people into believing he is going to Korea ... there is a word for it: con.
I didn't get that impression from the post. I'm not fan of JA, but calling that a con is far fetched.
If Mr. Saward is pissed that JA has more readers even though he doesn't attend to races, maybe Joe should improve his writing and content in general. This kind of name calling just makes him seem pretty bitter and whiney.
QUOTE (Gfhuus @ Oct 11 2010, 07:45)
I didn't get that impression from the post. I'm not fan of JA, but calling that a con is far fetched.
If Mr. Saward is pissed that JA has more readers even though he doesn't attend to races, maybe Joe should improve his writing and content in general. This kind of name calling just makes him seem pretty bitter and whiney.
If Mr. Saward is pissed that JA has more readers even though he doesn't attend to races, maybe Joe should improve his writing and content in general. This kind of name calling just makes him seem pretty bitter and whiney.
Allen should have said 'they going to Korea' if he wants to talk about anybody going there. Is not the first time he has pretended to be somewhere he aint. Also, as for more readers, I guess Saward has (deservedly got) more - but, what pisses him is that he spends good money going to races, then somebody goes online and pretends to be there, yet actually does nothing other than steal news from other sites. So, unless JA is there, he should do the professional thing and advise his readers of the fact by crediting the true sources.
EDIT: From that perspective JA is no better than GMM, who also pretend to generate their own stories. In fact, he is probably worse as he should know better.
QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 11 2010, 09:12)
From that perspective JA is no better than GMM, who also pretend to generate their own stories. ...
They don't. Any GMM story that is correctly - and legally - published will include the source, i'e 'according to TS' or 'in an interview with Bild Niki Lauda said...' etc. The stories are usually pretty crap, but it's the likes of Saward - especially Saward - who created this myth that GMM plunders others stories and doesn't tell the reader. I had a discussion with Joe - a writer and authority on F1 whom I admire, respecta nd read - about this very subject - 'so and so doesn't go to the races, blah blah blah, and I do, blah blah blah' - quite recently as he has a real bee in his bonnet about it. He will tell you that years of traipsing around circuits with a typewriter and phoning in copy gives him the right to complain when other writers produce 'remote' work. That's up to him, but he misses the point - this is the 21st century, and each and every one of us has detailed information available to us real time, something that is clearly going to make things much easier for writers and reporters who are simply expected to give the facts. I would suggest that Joe goes into more detail about how much the Japanese charge for the internet usage over the race weekend - and how much Korea will be charging too - as that may have a major impact on the likelihood of freelancers attending. I wish Saward to keep on writing his excellent pieces, but it matters not to me whether a writer is 'there' or not as long as I get the information I'm looking for.
QUOTE (Lifew12 @ Oct 11 2010, 10:15)
They don't. Any GMM story that is correctly - and legally - published will include the source, i'e 'according to TS' or 'in an interview with Bild Niki Lauda said...' etc. The stories are usually pretty crap, but it's the likes of Saward - especially Saward - who created this myth that GMM plunders others stories and doesn't tell the reader. I had a discussion with Joe - a writer and authority on F1 whom I admire, respecta nd read - about this very subject - 'so and so doesn't go to the races, blah blah blah, and I do, blah blah blah' - quite recently as he has a real bee in his bonnet about it. He will tell you that years of traipsing around circuits with a typewriter and phoning in copy gives him the right to complain when other writers produce 'remote' work. That's up to him, but he misses the point - this is the 21st century, and each and every one of us has detailed information available to us real time, something that is clearly going to make things much easier for writers and reporters who are simply expected to give the facts. I would suggest that Joe goes into more detail about how much the Japanese charge for the internet usage over the race weekend - and how much Korea will be charging too - as that may have a major impact on the likelihood of freelancers attending. I wish Saward to keep on writing his excellent pieces, but it matters not to me whether a writer is 'there' or not as long as I get the information I'm looking for.
Given that GMM has no journos going anywhere near any circuit or launch, every story published by them should give credit elsewhere - and if you are the expert you suggest you are, then you will know that is not the case. Saward's point is that people have no right to pretend they are at races when they are not - whether it is GMM or JA. I understand you don't care whether is a writer is there or not, that is your perogative, just as it is mine to not wear a fake Rolex...
QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 11 2010, 10:43)
Given that GMM has no journos going anywhere near any circuit or launch, every story published by them should give credit elsewhere - and if you are the expert you suggest you are, then you will know that is not the case.
Let's have a look - these are taken, in order, from the the first five GMM stories in todays issued articles:
1: "The team asked me not to make any problems for him," the German is quoted by Swiss newspaper Blick.
2: "To be world champion I need one more win and two podiums," Alonso is quoted by La Stampa.
3: "It just seemed strange," Horner is quoted by the Daily Telegraph.
4: A report in La Razon newspaper surmised that Massa had been given an "ultimatum a la italiana".
5: Mercedes' Norbert Haug responded to Bild newspaper: "I cannot disagree with Michael. As far as the car is concerned, he is right."
6: Indeed, Spain's AS newspaper said Whiting's inspection early this week is a "mere formality".
7: So a reporter for the German tabloid Bild am Sonntag ventured into the FIA test garages at the Japanese circuit to observe Joe Bauer checking over the Suzuka-spec RB6.
8: Vitaly Petrov will move five places down the inaugural Korean GP grid in two weeks.
9: There is more credibility in Norbert Haug becoming an F1 driver than in Michael Schumacher becoming sporting director of Mercedes," Haug told BBC Sport.
10: "We're still pushing hard. Anything can happen, it's that close a championship," said the McLaren chief on BBC television.
That's ten consecutive stories from GMM, and only one doesn't contain a reference to a source. That one is the Petrov story, which was confirmed by an FIA press release that GMM would have recieved. I'm not in the habit of defending them as only around 30% of their output is worth using, but it's simply not true that they do not accredit their sources - invariably, they do.
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Saward's point is that people have no right to pretend they are at races when they are not - whether it is GMM or JA. I understand you don't care whether is a writer is there or not, that is your perogative, just as it is mine to not wear a fake Rolex...
Well, no, that's not really Sawards point; his gripe is that he pays to go to the races - he's freelance so has to finance his trips himself - and others, who don't, still produce reports. I have to say that if I read a comment from James Allen, or any other, that says 'we are going to Korea' I don't take it to mean that he, his wife and children and his dog are off to Seoul for a jolly, because I know he's talking about the F1 circus. Saward knows this, too. The era of traipsing round europe with a typewriter is long gone - I believe my late father, himself a motor sport journo, left it behind in the 1980's - as information is just, well, available. Saward's a great writer, and has superb knowledge of the sport, but his griping about others doing it cheaper than him is besides the point.
QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 11 2010, 10:12)
Allen should have said 'they going to Korea' if he wants to talk about anybody going there. Is not the first time he has pretended to be somewhere he aint. Also, as for more readers, I guess Saward has (deservedly got) more - but, what pisses him is that he spends good money going to races, then somebody goes online and pretends to be there, yet actually does nothing other than steal news from other sites. So, unless JA is there, he should do the professional thing and advise his readers of the fact by crediting the true sources.
EDIT: From that perspective JA is no better than GMM, who also pretend to generate their own stories. In fact, he is probably worse as he should know better.
EDIT: From that perspective JA is no better than GMM, who also pretend to generate their own stories. In fact, he is probably worse as he should know better.
Well according to the comments on his blog JA went to 6 of the last 7 races and will be in Korea, Brazil and Abu Dhabi...
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James Allen Reply:
October 11th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Yes, I’ll be in Korea, Brazil and Abu Dhabi. I will have done six of the last seven races.
October 11th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Yes, I’ll be in Korea, Brazil and Abu Dhabi. I will have done six of the last seven races.
QUOTE (rich06 @ Oct 11 2010, 12:41)
Well according to the comments on his blog JA went to 6 of the last 7 races and will be in Korea, Brazil and Abu Dhabi...
Ask yourself why 6 of 7. Because it sounds better than 6 of 9 - a media mate says JA was not seen in Hungary and arrived in Hockenheim only to do a sponsor thing on Friday (possibly a breach of accreditation conditions). MAYBE he is going to Korea, but wait and see, not if gp is on but whether he is present. And the other two gps - plenty of time to change his mind. It remains that Saward has a point about writers implying they are there.
Media guys got seriously hacked off last year when JA published stuff '10 mins with...' implying he spent time with the subjects, yet had been nowhere the races. He allegedly used recordings given to him by colleagues.
QUOTE (Lifew12 @ Oct 11 2010, 11:58)
Let's have a look - these are taken, in order, from the the first five GMM stories in todays issued articles:
1: "The team asked me not to make any problems for him," the German is quoted by Swiss newspaper Blick.
2: "To be world champion I need one more win and two podiums," Alonso is quoted by La Stampa.
3: "It just seemed strange," Horner is quoted by the Daily Telegraph.
4: A report in La Razon newspaper surmised that Massa had been given an "ultimatum a la italiana".
5: Mercedes' Norbert Haug responded to Bild newspaper: "I cannot disagree with Michael. As far as the car is concerned, he is right."
6: Indeed, Spain's AS newspaper said Whiting's inspection early this week is a "mere formality".
7: So a reporter for the German tabloid Bild am Sonntag ventured into the FIA test garages at the Japanese circuit to observe Joe Bauer checking over the Suzuka-spec RB6.
8: Vitaly Petrov will move five places down the inaugural Korean GP grid in two weeks.
9: There is more credibility in Norbert Haug becoming an F1 driver than in Michael Schumacher becoming sporting director of Mercedes," Haug told BBC Sport.
10: "We're still pushing hard. Anything can happen, it's that close a championship," said the McLaren chief on BBC television.
That's ten consecutive stories from GMM, and only one doesn't contain a reference to a source. That one is the Petrov story, which was confirmed by an FIA press release that GMM would have recieved. I'm not in the habit of defending them as only around 30% of their output is worth using, but it's simply not true that they do not accredit their sources - invariably, they do.
Well, no, that's not really Sawards point; his gripe is that he pays to go to the races - he's freelance so has to finance his trips himself - and others, who don't, still produce reports. I have to say that if I read a comment from James Allen, or any other, that says 'we are going to Korea' I don't take it to mean that he, his wife and children and his dog are off to Seoul for a jolly, because I know he's talking about the F1 circus. Saward knows this, too. The era of traipsing round europe with a typewriter is long gone - I believe my late father, himself a motor sport journo, left it behind in the 1980's - as information is just, well, available. Saward's a great writer, and has superb knowledge of the sport, but his griping about others doing it cheaper than him is besides the point.
1: "The team asked me not to make any problems for him," the German is quoted by Swiss newspaper Blick.
2: "To be world champion I need one more win and two podiums," Alonso is quoted by La Stampa.
3: "It just seemed strange," Horner is quoted by the Daily Telegraph.
4: A report in La Razon newspaper surmised that Massa had been given an "ultimatum a la italiana".
5: Mercedes' Norbert Haug responded to Bild newspaper: "I cannot disagree with Michael. As far as the car is concerned, he is right."
6: Indeed, Spain's AS newspaper said Whiting's inspection early this week is a "mere formality".
7: So a reporter for the German tabloid Bild am Sonntag ventured into the FIA test garages at the Japanese circuit to observe Joe Bauer checking over the Suzuka-spec RB6.
8: Vitaly Petrov will move five places down the inaugural Korean GP grid in two weeks.
9: There is more credibility in Norbert Haug becoming an F1 driver than in Michael Schumacher becoming sporting director of Mercedes," Haug told BBC Sport.
10: "We're still pushing hard. Anything can happen, it's that close a championship," said the McLaren chief on BBC television.
That's ten consecutive stories from GMM, and only one doesn't contain a reference to a source. That one is the Petrov story, which was confirmed by an FIA press release that GMM would have recieved. I'm not in the habit of defending them as only around 30% of their output is worth using, but it's simply not true that they do not accredit their sources - invariably, they do.
Well, no, that's not really Sawards point; his gripe is that he pays to go to the races - he's freelance so has to finance his trips himself - and others, who don't, still produce reports. I have to say that if I read a comment from James Allen, or any other, that says 'we are going to Korea' I don't take it to mean that he, his wife and children and his dog are off to Seoul for a jolly, because I know he's talking about the F1 circus. Saward knows this, too. The era of traipsing round europe with a typewriter is long gone - I believe my late father, himself a motor sport journo, left it behind in the 1980's - as information is just, well, available. Saward's a great writer, and has superb knowledge of the sport, but his griping about others doing it cheaper than him is besides the point.
Sawards gripe is he pays to go to races and others who don't take the stuff to do reports (at his expense). As GMM does. I grant u GMM is a lot better than they were in crediting (only because of pressure and threats from publications across the world, not because of sudden morals on their part), but a lot of their stuff has a single credited quote, whereas another ten quotes in the same piece aren't credited. So, in your examples above I can find at least as many uncredited items as you can find credited stuff.
How often have you seen GMM quote or credit Autosport or Saward? For that matter, did they credit the source (Autosport) for:
F1 needs 'monsoon' tyres
2010-10-09 17:09
The availability of a 'monsoon'-type rain tyre might avoid future cancellations of track sessions due to extreme weather.
That is the belief of Sam Michael, one of the millions of witnesses to the tedious spectacle of Saturday's delayed and ultimately postponed qualifying hour at Suzuka.
The FIA refused to show the green light due to torrential rain and feedback from the drivers about rivers of water causing dangerous aquaplaning.
"You'd maybe only use them (monsoon tyres) once every three years but at least you'd have something," said Michael, technical director at the British team Williams.
He said the monsoon tyres would ideally have an extreme tread depth of more than 10mm, useful only for avoiding the sort of situation seen in Japan.
"It's not good to go through an hour of TV where everyone's just watching people float little boats down the pits lane," said the Australian.
"The cost of having a set of monsoon tyres for each car is pretty low compared to that."
For every example you wish to bring to prove your point I can bring an equal number which prove the opposite. And 50/50 hardly makes GMM ethical. Even 99/1 makes then unethical, just as a fake Rolex fitted with a genuine strap buckle is not a Rolex.
QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 12 2010, 02:41)
How often have you seen GMM quote or credit Autosport or Saward? For that matter, did they credit the source (Autosport) for:
I don't think Autosport the original source of that quote, as I have it in Williams press release. And yes, I have seen GMM credit Autosport.
As I said, I'm not in the habit of defending GMM, who's stories are often drab rehashes of press releases (as just about every one of Sawards is these days that is not an opinion piece - and it is in opinion pieces that he excels) and are often unusable, but to slate them as 'stealing stories from otehr sites' is nonsense. In an effort to find better daily content ( I edit a small F1 website that exists mainly because of a lively forum ) I engaged two well known agencies on trial - Reuters and AFP - and, lo and behold, their content was as vapid and derivative as GMM's. They were also considerbly more expensive. The thing is, I could construct a whole raft of stories every weekend, throughout the week, and at all times from press releases from teams, sponsors, partners and official bodies, all of which come into my inbox in droves, and most would be very much the same as those from GMM. That's because the news sources across the world uses these press releases for quotes and information to construct its stories.
I admire Sawards tenacity in attending races - if I could afford to be at every one I would - and in continuing as a well respected, knowledgeable and eminently readable commentator on the sport I love, but the sour grapes is a bit rich given the access to information we have now. That's why GMM - and the rest - survive. For the record, I don't tend to read James Allen.
Top 5 drivers of the Season:
James Allen: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/11/my-t...-of-the-season/
Joe Saward: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/...e-for-the-year/
So, for fifth place I would like to nominate Fernando Alonso.
Yes, I know that Spanish readers will splutter their paella all over the table and start accusing the British media of being racist, but although Fernando finished runner-up in the World Championship, it was not as convincing a performance as some of the others.
Saward is obsessed
James Allen: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/11/my-t...-of-the-season/
Joe Saward: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/...e-for-the-year/
So, for fifth place I would like to nominate Fernando Alonso.
Yes, I know that Spanish readers will splutter their paella all over the table and start accusing the British media of being racist, but although Fernando finished runner-up in the World Championship, it was not as convincing a performance as some of the others.
Saward is obsessed
QUOTE (showtime @ Nov 30 2010, 19:25)
Top 5 drivers of the Season:
James Allen: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/11/my-t...-of-the-season/
Joe Saward: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/...e-for-the-year/
So, for fifth place I would like to nominate Fernando Alonso.
Yes, I know that Spanish readers will splutter their paella all over the table and start accusing the British media of being racist, but although Fernando finished runner-up in the World Championship, it was not as convincing a performance as some of the others.
Saward is obsessed
James Allen: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/11/my-t...-of-the-season/
Joe Saward: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/...e-for-the-year/
So, for fifth place I would like to nominate Fernando Alonso.
Yes, I know that Spanish readers will splutter their paella all over the table and start accusing the British media of being racist, but although Fernando finished runner-up in the World Championship, it was not as convincing a performance as some of the others.
Saward is obsessed
He must be deluded if he thinks alonso was the 5th best driver this year, even alonsos biggest detractors must admit he was one of the top 3 easy.
Good to see a former commentator has harvested Email addresses from all those that have commented on his blog and spammed them with news of his latest book...
QUOTE (dank @ Nov 30 2010, 21:18)
Good to see a former commentator has harvested Email addresses from all those that have commented on his blog and spammed them with news of his latest book...
Ironically the only reason I commented was the off-chance of getting a free book.
QUOTE (Fastcake @ Nov 30 2010, 21:20)
Ironically the only reason I commented was the off-chance of getting a free book.
I think I only commented the once, and that was to say I thought last year's book was a bit of a cash-in, seeing as it was literally a CTRL+A, CTRL+C, CTRL+V of his blog.
Funnily enough, the comment never made it out of moderation.
And now I get Emails telling me of his latest wares. How delightful!
QUOTE (dank @ Nov 30 2010, 21:18)
Good to see a former commentator has harvested Email addresses from all those that have commented on his blog and spammed them with news of his latest book...
Don't be so precious. JA's blog is great, and free, and not ruined by adverts. Sending one, that's right, one, email to people who are sufficienly interested to have posted on his blog about his book does not consitute spam. If it was such a waste of your precious time, why have you wasted some more time coming here and posting about it?
QUOTE (Talisker @ Nov 30 2010, 21:26)
Don't be so precious. JA's blog is great, and free, and not ruined by adverts. Sending one, that's right, one, email to people who are sufficienly interested to have posted on his blog about his book does not consitute spam. If it was such a waste of your precious time, why have you wasted some more time coming here and posting about it?
Hello James's mum
QUOTE (Talisker @ Nov 30 2010, 21:26)
Don't be so precious. JA's blog is great, and free, and not ruined by adverts. Sending one, that's right, one, email to people who are sufficienly interested to have posted on his blog about his book does not consitute spam. If it was such a waste of your precious time, why have you wasted some more time coming here and posting about it?
It does constitute spam actually, because no one consented to be contacted about commercial matters when they provided their e-mails to post a comment.
I got two by the way, does that make me special?
I guess that the pre-orders aren't matching expectations. Probably because after last year most people have cottoned on to the fact that they can probably read most of it for free on his website.
just discovered this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDL1A_glXho&feature=fvst
didn't know james allen was fluent in italian! pretty impressive, loled a bit at his acent for some reason.
P.S. theres some 30 second advert at the start then it gets started, just ignore it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDL1A_glXho&feature=fvst
didn't know james allen was fluent in italian! pretty impressive, loled a bit at his acent for some reason.
P.S. theres some 30 second advert at the start then it gets started, just ignore it.
QUOTE (olliek88 @ Dec 3 2010, 15:11)
just discovered this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDL1A_glXho&feature=fvst
didn't know james allen was fluent in italian! pretty impressive, loled a bit at his acent for some reason.
P.S. theres some 30 second advert at the start then it gets started, just ignore it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDL1A_glXho&feature=fvst
didn't know james allen was fluent in italian! pretty impressive, loled a bit at his acent for some reason.
P.S. theres some 30 second advert at the start then it gets started, just ignore it.
I'm not surprised, he studied English and Modern Languages at Oxford.
I read James and Joe's blog mainly, one for the racing side of things mainly, the other more for the business/team side of things. Both are a good read IMO.
QUOTE (midgrid @ Dec 3 2010, 15:47)
I'm not surprised, he studied English and Modern Languages at Oxford.
Aaahh, guess that explains it! obv he is a pretty smart fella.
All i know in another language is, dos cervezas por favor
gets me by alright thou!
I've never understood what people see in JA. His writing seems formulaic, I rarely agree with his opinions, but I also don't really understand how he comes to them. It's as if he gathers other people's thoughts and then just writes them up. If other people change their views, so does JA. But he seems to have a lot of sycophantic followers if you believe all the "you're so wonderful, JA" comments on his website.
Saward comes across as much more intelligent, and you can actually follow his line of reasoning and see how he comes to his conclusions. So even when I don't agree with his conclusions, I still enjoy reading his articles, and I learn something from them over and above what I can read on other F1 websites.
Saward comes across as much more intelligent, and you can actually follow his line of reasoning and see how he comes to his conclusions. So even when I don't agree with his conclusions, I still enjoy reading his articles, and I learn something from them over and above what I can read on other F1 websites.
From Joe Saward's blog:
I also noted with awe (I think) that my erstwhile Autosport colleague and fellow blogger James Allen has taken to advertising the Coco Pops breakfast cereal on British radio for its manufacturer Kelloggs. Wow! The things that F1 journalists can do these days… I want a job like that. If you have not heard it, I suggest you click here. If there are any cereal manufacturers out there who wish to pay me to scream about their products then I am available. I can also do a weddings, funerals, Bar Mitzvahs and will even open garden fetes at the right price!
Battle of the F1 Blogs? Along with the 'We're going to Korea' thing, this is getting a bit bitchy.
I also noted with awe (I think) that my erstwhile Autosport colleague and fellow blogger James Allen has taken to advertising the Coco Pops breakfast cereal on British radio for its manufacturer Kelloggs. Wow! The things that F1 journalists can do these days… I want a job like that. If you have not heard it, I suggest you click here. If there are any cereal manufacturers out there who wish to pay me to scream about their products then I am available. I can also do a weddings, funerals, Bar Mitzvahs and will even open garden fetes at the right price!
Battle of the F1 Blogs? Along with the 'We're going to Korea' thing, this is getting a bit bitchy.
QUOTE (Risil @ Dec 7 2010, 20:17)
From Joe Saward's blog:
I also noted with awe (I think) that my erstwhile Autosport colleague and fellow blogger James Allen has taken to advertising the Coco Pops breakfast cereal on British radio for its manufacturer Kelloggs. Wow! The things that F1 journalists can do these days… I want a job like that. If you have not heard it, I suggest you click here. If there are any cereal manufacturers out there who wish to pay me to scream about their products then I am available. I can also do a weddings, funerals, Bar Mitzvahs and will even open garden fetes at the right price!
Battle of the F1 Blogs? Along with the 'We're going to Korea' thing, this is getting a bit bitchy.
I also noted with awe (I think) that my erstwhile Autosport colleague and fellow blogger James Allen has taken to advertising the Coco Pops breakfast cereal on British radio for its manufacturer Kelloggs. Wow! The things that F1 journalists can do these days… I want a job like that. If you have not heard it, I suggest you click here. If there are any cereal manufacturers out there who wish to pay me to scream about their products then I am available. I can also do a weddings, funerals, Bar Mitzvahs and will even open garden fetes at the right price!
Battle of the F1 Blogs? Along with the 'We're going to Korea' thing, this is getting a bit bitchy.
Joe is one to talk, I was actually the one who gave Joe the idea for "have a drink with Joe" night after his blog about his layover in the States. Of course he took that idea and went me one better by charging admission to have a drink with Joe.
Joe shouldn't be calling out others, he is quite the whore himself!
It is the typical Joe Saward whining but he also had one good idea. "If the FIA had been a little more clever over the years, it would have had the big event because that is where the BIG trophies are handed out. If the federation added some awards based on a voting “academy”, as happens with the Oscars, then it might be on to a very big thing… and TV rights deals etc etc. One needs only to see what NASCAR has done with its Awards Gala to see the potential…" The FiA is clearly under selling their price giving gala. It should be the most talked about mega event at the end of the year.
James Allen James Allen 
James Allen 
What an incompetent, antipathic and arrogant journalist/blogger !
James Allen James Allen What an incompetent, antipathic and arrogant journalist/blogger !
QUOTE (Alburaq @ Dec 8 2010, 01:25)
James Allen James Allen James Allen
What an incompetent, antipathic and arrogant journalist/blogger !
James Allen James Allen What an incompetent, antipathic and arrogant journalist/blogger !
James Allens blog is first rate.
When/Why did this animosity from Joe Saward towards James Allen started?
James Allen it is for me
Just found http://www.theracedriver.com/ peter windsors blog/website.
think its a fantastic site, some great articles on there, love the monaco to italy one.
think its a fantastic site, some great articles on there, love the monaco to italy one.
Simon Arron, the Daily Telegraph's Formula 1 Diarist is always worth reading, He's also a frequent contributor to the Nostalgia Forum on this site.
QUOTE (bsoares @ Dec 8 2010, 15:01)
When/Why did this animosity from Joe Saward towards James Allen started?
Never read anything about it that's public. Must've worked together at some stage at Autosport in the 1990s, and now evidently they're the two most respected British F1 bloggers. From what I've read of Saward's, he sometimes appears to be a bit prickly, and doesn't seem to suffer fools... If he talks to Allen the way he responds to commenters on his blog whose contributions he doesn't rate*, then I can easily see how a mutual dislike might possibly form.
*Not necessarily ones he doesn't agree with, it seems to be ones that disagree with him in a tone he takes exception to. The kind of tone that seems to only exist on the internet and among university students. Reminds me of a note on the comments section of another unrelated blog: 'Germane comments which initiate or contribute to debate are welcomed'. [This is not your website, you will say something intelligent or you can get out. Some people more than others adopt this as their whole life strategy
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A new Blog has gone up recently, its by a small team of motorsport journos and its a petty slick looking site but the actually content is pretty good aswell, not just repeating news stories and other info, more offering an opinion on current F1 news and affairs but with a bit of personality rather than being completely objective about stuff, its at
http://www.f1iblog.com/
Much prefer it to some of the existing blogs now, but i guess its horses for courses.
http://www.f1iblog.com/
Much prefer it to some of the existing blogs now, but i guess its horses for courses.
Seems like we have Round 2 between Joe Saward and Pitpass - seems to be a weekly thing 'who will Joe get into an argument next'....
adamcooperf1
#F1 Hilarious battle of words on internet between veteran journo (not me!) and rival website that is, allegedly, fed info by Bernie
13 minutes ago
- http://pitpass.com/43986-Hello-to-our-frie...oud-cuckoo-land (in response to something Joe posted in April which apparently was true yet it turned out to be inaccurate)
- http://pitpass.com/44034-Exclusive-17-F1-c...ted-in-tomorrow
- http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/...ehind-the-news/
The story regarding IndyCars does sound crazy even if Pitpass won round 1...
adamcooperf1
#F1 Hilarious battle of words on internet between veteran journo (not me!) and rival website that is, allegedly, fed info by Bernie
13 minutes ago
- http://pitpass.com/43986-Hello-to-our-frie...oud-cuckoo-land (in response to something Joe posted in April which apparently was true yet it turned out to be inaccurate)
- http://pitpass.com/44034-Exclusive-17-F1-c...ted-in-tomorrow
- http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/...ehind-the-news/
The story regarding IndyCars does sound crazy even if Pitpass won round 1...
What a timely bump of this thread lol
Saward seems to have had a VERY strong coffee this morning: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/...ehind-the-news/
it's not just about Indycars, he pretty much speculates about where the chips will fall, about everything.. lol
Saward seems to have had a VERY strong coffee this morning: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/...ehind-the-news/
it's not just about Indycars, he pretty much speculates about where the chips will fall, about everything.. lol
Wow Joe sure likes to get the boot in during an argument, he can seem awfully arrogant at times. Fun though, especially as Pitpass are trying so hard not to seem clueness, when Saward has been generally right on this issue.
I like F1iBlog for the simple fact it doesn't simply regurgitate the same news stories that everyone else is. It never ceases to amaze me that someone bothers to go to the effort of starting a blog/website, only to look at Autosport and just rehash whatever has been written - what's the point? Inject some originality or opinion dunderheads!
And with that out of my system... I don't think Joe helps his cause much by seemingly deleting articles when he is found to be wrong. He did it not so long ago when I pulled him up on a story he plonked on the Internet saying that Sebastien Loeb would be contesting this year's Le Mans with Red Bull backing - despite quotes from the man himself appearing in the press days before suggesting otherwise.
Didn't he also say that Citroen or Peugeot were looking to buy out Honda when they pulled out of F1 in 2008?
And with that out of my system... I don't think Joe helps his cause much by seemingly deleting articles when he is found to be wrong. He did it not so long ago when I pulled him up on a story he plonked on the Internet saying that Sebastien Loeb would be contesting this year's Le Mans with Red Bull backing - despite quotes from the man himself appearing in the press days before suggesting otherwise.
Didn't he also say that Citroen or Peugeot were looking to buy out Honda when they pulled out of F1 in 2008?
I thought James Allen's blog was quite good whenever I looked at it,
was a bit surprised because I was not a fan of his when he was commentating
was a bit surprised because I was not a fan of his when he was commentating
QUOTE (Don2011 @ Jun 28 2011, 09:13)
I thought James Allen's blog was quite good whenever I looked at it,
was a bit surprised because I was not a fan of his when he was commentating
was a bit surprised because I was not a fan of his when he was commentating
IMO it's very good for what it is, but Allen never rocks the boat.. What Saward did with his latest piece is pretty cool IMO, it may not pan out exactly as he expects, but he's a F1 fixture and in a sense it takes some guts to name all these guys and try to connect the dots with all those shady dealings behind the scenes.
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Jun 28 2011, 14:21)
IMO it's very good for what it is, but Allen never rocks the boat.. What Saward did with his latest piece is pretty cool IMO, it may not pan out exactly as he expects, but he's a F1 fixture and in a sense it takes some guts to name all these guys and try to connect the dots with all those shady dealings behind the scenes.
I must confess I have never read Saward's blog but I must go have a look
i certainly don't think think what joe said will come true. very interesting, but i just cant see it.
FWIW Joe Saward participates in an excellent podcast with the guys over at Sidepodcast titled 'Aside with Joe'
He comes across as an arrogant so-and-so on his blog, but the podcasts are excellent. He's been around for a long time, and seen it all so I'm not surprised he's like he is. Heck, at least he has an opinion.
He comes across as an arrogant so-and-so on his blog, but the podcasts are excellent. He's been around for a long time, and seen it all so I'm not surprised he's like he is. Heck, at least he has an opinion.
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