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Oh God, I'd forgotten how annoying EJ is...
I think that's it... here's hoping for another great year of coverage of F1 on the Beeb! 
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I've been checking the forum for some time now but have only just signed up to take part. So please excuse me while I may backtrack a little to the previous thread.
The BBC threads have made interesting reading as I for one think that they have done an absolutely superb job with the coverage of F1 since getting it back from ITV. I feel a bit like a leper though because I actually liked Steve Rider when he was at the BBC and I have on video (recorded from the TV at the time) the Senna tribute and the last series of Grand Prix where he and the others did a good job in my opinion. Whilst Mr Legard isn't everyones favourite commentator, I'm sure that if there was a similar forum available at the time, Murray would have p**sed quite a few people off too with his trousers on fire approach and many errors. We look back fondly but I'm sure not everyone was amused. Jonathan Palmer couldn't match James Hunt as a co-commentator so heaven knows what sort of comments would have appeared then. It's a matter of personal taste.
Does anyone think that the post-race forum that was only available behind the red button during 2009 will become a feature in the broadcast? For example - They moved the Springwatch forum after it was (one presumes) very popular.
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I've been checking the forum for some time now but have only just signed up to take part. So please excuse me while I may backtrack a little to the previous thread.
The BBC threads have made interesting reading as I for one think that they have done an absolutely superb job with the coverage of F1 since getting it back from ITV. I feel a bit like a leper though because I actually liked Steve Rider when he was at the BBC and I have on video (recorded from the TV at the time) the Senna tribute and the last series of Grand Prix where he and the others did a good job in my opinion. Whilst Mr Legard isn't everyones favourite commentator, I'm sure that if there was a similar forum available at the time, Murray would have p**sed quite a few people off too with his trousers on fire approach and many errors. We look back fondly but I'm sure not everyone was amused. Jonathan Palmer couldn't match James Hunt as a co-commentator so heaven knows what sort of comments would have appeared then. It's a matter of personal taste.Does anyone think that the post-race forum that was only available behind the red button during 2009 will become a feature in the broadcast? For example - They moved the Springwatch forum after it was (one presumes) very popular.
QUOTE (Mark Bennett @ Feb 4 2010, 15:26) 
The current BBC HD Encoder can't cope with movement very well (at least, not at the bitrate it is running at) so the pictures will probably look better on SD anway.... Unfortunately... 
Oh. What's the encoder used for? And will they upgrade it?
QUOTE (svxdriver @ Feb 4 2010, 16:18)
I think that's it... here's hoping for another great year of coverage of F1 on the Beeb!
I've been checking the forum for some time now but have only just signed up to take part. So please excuse me while I may backtrack a little to the previous thread. The BBC threads have made interesting reading as I for one think that they have done an absolutely superb job with the coverage of F1 since getting it back from ITV. I feel a bit like a leper though because I actually liked Steve Rider when he was at the BBC and I have on video (recorded from the TV at the time) the Senna tribute and the last series of Grand Prix where he and the others did a good job in my opinion. Whilst Mr Legard isn't everyones favourite commentator, I'm sure that if there was a similar forum available at the time, Murray would have p**sed quite a few people off too with his trousers on fire approach and many errors. We look back fondly but I'm sure not everyone was amused. Jonathan Palmer couldn't match James Hunt as a co-commentator so heaven knows what sort of comments would have appeared then. It's a matter of personal taste.
Does anyone think that the post-race forum that was only available behind the red button during 2009 will become a feature in the broadcast? For example - They moved the Springwatch forum after it was (one presumes) very popular.
I've been checking the forum for some time now but have only just signed up to take part. So please excuse me while I may backtrack a little to the previous thread.
The BBC threads have made interesting reading as I for one think that they have done an absolutely superb job with the coverage of F1 since getting it back from ITV. I feel a bit like a leper though because I actually liked Steve Rider when he was at the BBC and I have on video (recorded from the TV at the time) the Senna tribute and the last series of Grand Prix where he and the others did a good job in my opinion. Whilst Mr Legard isn't everyones favourite commentator, I'm sure that if there was a similar forum available at the time, Murray would have p**sed quite a few people off too with his trousers on fire approach and many errors. We look back fondly but I'm sure not everyone was amused. Jonathan Palmer couldn't match James Hunt as a co-commentator so heaven knows what sort of comments would have appeared then. It's a matter of personal taste.Does anyone think that the post-race forum that was only available behind the red button during 2009 will become a feature in the broadcast? For example - They moved the Springwatch forum after it was (one presumes) very popular.
Welcome to the forum.
Your right that no matter who gets the job someone will complain. As to the post-race forum, I don't see that being anywhere other than on the red button. They couldn't really justify an extra hour mainstream to it, and I suspect it's really catering for the minority of fans, with the casual viewers switching off or changing channels as soon as the race ends.
I have to say that on my TV (40" Samsung) the difference between SD and HD is barely noticeable, certainly not worth the extra £10 a month I'm paying. So it's a minor issue in my opinion.
QUOTE (svxdriver @ Feb 4 2010, 16:18)
I think that's it... here's hoping for another great year of coverage of F1 on the Beeb!
I've been checking the forum for some time now but have only just signed up to take part. So please excuse me while I may backtrack a little to the previous thread. The BBC threads have made interesting reading as I for one think that they have done an absolutely superb job with the coverage of F1 since getting it back from ITV. I feel a bit like a leper though because I actually liked Steve Rider when he was at the BBC and I have on video (recorded from the TV at the time) the Senna tribute and the last series of Grand Prix where he and the others did a good job in my opinion. Whilst Mr Legard isn't everyones favourite commentator, I'm sure that if there was a similar forum available at the time, Murray would have p**sed quite a few people off too with his trousers on fire approach and many errors. We look back fondly but I'm sure not everyone was amused. Jonathan Palmer couldn't match James Hunt as a co-commentator so heaven knows what sort of comments would have appeared then. It's a matter of personal taste.
Does anyone think that the post-race forum that was only available behind the red button during 2009 will become a feature in the broadcast? For example - They moved the Springwatch forum after it was (one presumes) very popular.
I've been checking the forum for some time now but have only just signed up to take part. So please excuse me while I may backtrack a little to the previous thread.
The BBC threads have made interesting reading as I for one think that they have done an absolutely superb job with the coverage of F1 since getting it back from ITV. I feel a bit like a leper though because I actually liked Steve Rider when he was at the BBC and I have on video (recorded from the TV at the time) the Senna tribute and the last series of Grand Prix where he and the others did a good job in my opinion. Whilst Mr Legard isn't everyones favourite commentator, I'm sure that if there was a similar forum available at the time, Murray would have p**sed quite a few people off too with his trousers on fire approach and many errors. We look back fondly but I'm sure not everyone was amused. Jonathan Palmer couldn't match James Hunt as a co-commentator so heaven knows what sort of comments would have appeared then. It's a matter of personal taste.Does anyone think that the post-race forum that was only available behind the red button during 2009 will become a feature in the broadcast? For example - They moved the Springwatch forum after it was (one presumes) very popular.
I thought Palmer was a vast improvement over Hunt, I found him alot more insightful and informative.
QUOTE (undersquare @ Feb 4 2010, 16:25)
Oh. What's the encoder used for? And will they upgrade it?
The encoder is fine, and used succesfully by many HD broadcasters, BBC however choose to run it at lower resolution and lower bitrate, lower than both the EBU and the manufacturer reccomends.
Anyone remember when BBC labs and BBC tech tried to be world leaders in broadcast standards and specifications ... getting a straight answer out of them as to why they throttle bitrate is not straightforward, they first denied they switched settings, and then denied any loss of picture-quality, tried blaming viewer setup/equipment, or saying it was all in their heads.
Best bet for an explanation, is the planned Freeview terrestial HD offering is severely bandwidth limited, they either don't want to run two seperate HD playouts, one for sat/cable, one for freeview ... or they don't want any direct comparison to be possible between different BBC HD outputs. so they cripple all BBC HD to lowest common denominator bitrate, and lie to the customer when they complain about loss of quality.
Didn't we all pay a big hike in our licence fee for the HD upgrade? Seems pretty rubbish if you pay extra, for a half-baked end implementation.
Don't worry chief, the BBC Trust are looking out for you, concerned for your license fee, their rules actively prohibitting a broadcast of upscaled material, even at racetimes when BBC HD isn't operating.
And for this arbitrary, meaningless, pulled out their arse 85% number, last year the 12 state-appointed members of the Trust divvied up over 600grand for two days "work" per week, and trousered an additional 80grand in expenses of course, trough, trough, oink, oink. (plus offices and staffing of 6 Trust support teams, salaries and operating costs unavailable).
Sure, it wouldn't be "knock you on your arse" brilliant, (especially after the shonky encoder settings got through with it) but upscaled at source and with crisp HD FOM onscreen graphics applied, it would be a resonably decent looking TV proposition, prevented by the Trust, "for your own good". Crazy business.
And for this arbitrary, meaningless, pulled out their arse 85% number, last year the 12 state-appointed members of the Trust divvied up over 600grand for two days "work" per week, and trousered an additional 80grand in expenses of course, trough, trough, oink, oink. (plus offices and staffing of 6 Trust support teams, salaries and operating costs unavailable).
Sure, it wouldn't be "knock you on your arse" brilliant, (especially after the shonky encoder settings got through with it) but upscaled at source and with crisp HD FOM onscreen graphics applied, it would be a resonably decent looking TV proposition, prevented by the Trust, "for your own good". Crazy business.
Feynman: I don't really understand a word you just said, but I am outraged by it anyway! (i.e. at the BBC).
QUOTE (feynman @ Feb 4 2010, 17:08)
The encoder is fine, and used succesfully by many HD broadcasters, BBC however choose to run it at lower resolution and lower bitrate, lower than both the EBU and the manufacturer reccomends.
Anyone remember when BBC labs and BBC tech tried to be world leaders in broadcast standards and specifications ... getting a straight answer out of them as to why they throttle bitrate is not straightforward, they first denied they switched settings, and then denied any loss of picture-quality, tried blaming viewer setup/equipment, or saying it was all in their heads.
Best bet for an explanation, is the planned Freeview terrestial HD offering is severely bandwidth limited, they either don't want to run two seperate HD playouts, one for sat/cable, one for freeview ... or they don't want any direct comparison to be possible between different BBC HD outputs. so they cripple all BBC HD to lowest common denominator bitrate, and lie to the customer when they complain about loss of quality.
Anyone remember when BBC labs and BBC tech tried to be world leaders in broadcast standards and specifications ... getting a straight answer out of them as to why they throttle bitrate is not straightforward, they first denied they switched settings, and then denied any loss of picture-quality, tried blaming viewer setup/equipment, or saying it was all in their heads.
Best bet for an explanation, is the planned Freeview terrestial HD offering is severely bandwidth limited, they either don't want to run two seperate HD playouts, one for sat/cable, one for freeview ... or they don't want any direct comparison to be possible between different BBC HD outputs. so they cripple all BBC HD to lowest common denominator bitrate, and lie to the customer when they complain about loss of quality.
I don't think it's anything to do with Freeview (although I expect the quality of that to be low), but all to do with transponder costs and trying to squeeze as much out of it as possible. It's this constant squeezing of bandwidth that is ruining digital TV.
QUOTE (feynman @ Feb 4 2010, 17:08)
Best bet for an explanation, is the planned Freeview terrestial HD offering is severely bandwidth limited, they either don't want to run two seperate HD playouts, one for sat/cable, one for freeview ... or they don't want any direct comparison to be possible between different BBC HD outputs. so they cripple all BBC HD to lowest common denominator bitrate, and lie to the customer when they complain about loss of quality.
Not to mention applying DRM to the signal so you can't record anything other than stuff you wouldn't keep, thanks to OFCOM's climbdown on banning the encrypting of Freeview HD.
QUOTE (kar @ Feb 4 2010, 19:51)
Feynman: I don't really understand a word you just said, but I am outraged by it anyway! (i.e. at the BBC).
He gets my vote for BBC watchdog.
What would that one be called?
"OFFBROAD"?
Jp
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressrele...ary/04/f1.shtml
QUOTE
Live Formula 1 racing action returns to the BBC on 12 March when the 2010 season kicks off in Bahrain. Once again the BBC will bring every piece of the action both on and off the track with comprehensive coverage across TV, radio, online, red button and mobile.
2010 looks set to be one of the most exciting seasons yet with World Champions from the last two years – Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton – driving as team mates in McLaren and F1 legend Michael Schumacher returning to the track for Mercedes.
Plus, there are new teams, new rules and new venues to add into the mix.
The BBC TV presentation team returns with anchor Jake Humphrey joined by Eddie Jordan and David Coulthard as expert pundits.
Commentary comes courtesy of Martin Brundle and Jonathan Legard with reporters Lee McKenzie and Ted Kravitz bringing all the interviews and action from the pits.
Plus the legendary F1 voice Murray Walker is once again part of the team with online blogs/reports at regular intervals during the season.
The BBC Radio 5 Live commentary team is led by David Croft alongside Formula 1 driver Anthony Davidson, providing a driver's perspective to events, and pit lane reporter Holly Samos with all the news and reaction as it happens.
The BBC's Head of Formula 1 Ben Gallop says: "We're delighted with the way 2009 went and we can't wait for the 2010 season to start.
"The BBC Sport team will once again be bringing great coverage across all our platforms, meaning F1 fans can follow the action and interact wherever they are, whenever they want.
"We're proud to offer our audiences the opportunity to follow the great stories and share all the excitement of this fantastic sport."
TV Coverage
Live coverage of every qualifying session and all 19 races live on BBC One [1]:
- All races and qualifying sessions that finish before 10.00am to have full repeat on terrestrial TV later in the day
- One-hour evening highlights programme on BBC Three
BBC Radio 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra
Live commentary of every race plus:
- Coverage of all the stories as they break plus big name interviews from the drivers, owners and personalities
- 5 Live Formula 1 on 5 Live Sport every Friday night prior to a race, previewing all the action with expert analysis and the latest news from the track
- Coverage of practice and qualifying sessions
- Chequered Flag podcast available to download at bbc.co.uk/5live with expert analysis and reaction from the circuit
BBC Radio 5 Live's Formula 1 coverage is produced by USP Content.
You can listen to 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra via DAB digital radio, Digital TV and online at bbc.co.uk/5live; 5 Live is also on 693 & 909 MW.
BBC Red Button
Live coverage of all on-track sessions including practice sessions plus the following options:
- Network feed with choice of commentary from 5 Live or TV for qualifying and Grands Prix
- In-car camera feed and leaderboard
- Rolling highlights
- Coverage of Friday and Saturday practice sessions
- Up to an hour of analysis on the red button immediately after all races with Jake Humphrey, David Coulthard, Eddie Jordan and Martin Brundle. Viewers are invited to e-mail/text in, ask questions and interact
BBC Sport Website
Live video streaming of all on-track sessions, including:
- Network TV feed with choice of commentary from 5 Live or TV
- Option to choose a high-quality video stream
- In-car camera feed
- Rolling highlights
- Jake Humphrey, David Coulthard, Eddie Jordan and Martin Brundle provide up to an hour of analysis available immediately after all races, with viewers invited to e-mail/text in, ask questions and interact
Editorial coverage to include:
- Latest leaderboard
- Full statistics from all on-track sessions
- Distinctive live text commentary
- News stories
- Martin Brundle, Mark Webber, Mark Hughes, Ted Kravitz and Lee McKenzie columns
- Blogs by Jonathan Legard, Jake Humphrey and journalists Andrew Benson and Sarah Holt
- Murray Walker regular post-race video summary and Q&A
- Interactive world venue map and circuit guides, including animated laps of tracks
- Driver and team profiles
- Chequered Flag podcast available to download at bbc.co.uk/5live
The BBC has a five year deal to broadcast F1, which runs from 2009 to 2013 inclusive, and includes exclusive rights to TV, radio, full broadband and mobile.
Notes to Editors
[1] Please note: all broadcast details subject to change, including accommodation of the General Election.
2010 looks set to be one of the most exciting seasons yet with World Champions from the last two years – Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton – driving as team mates in McLaren and F1 legend Michael Schumacher returning to the track for Mercedes.
Plus, there are new teams, new rules and new venues to add into the mix.
The BBC TV presentation team returns with anchor Jake Humphrey joined by Eddie Jordan and David Coulthard as expert pundits.
Commentary comes courtesy of Martin Brundle and Jonathan Legard with reporters Lee McKenzie and Ted Kravitz bringing all the interviews and action from the pits.
Plus the legendary F1 voice Murray Walker is once again part of the team with online blogs/reports at regular intervals during the season.
The BBC Radio 5 Live commentary team is led by David Croft alongside Formula 1 driver Anthony Davidson, providing a driver's perspective to events, and pit lane reporter Holly Samos with all the news and reaction as it happens.
The BBC's Head of Formula 1 Ben Gallop says: "We're delighted with the way 2009 went and we can't wait for the 2010 season to start.
"The BBC Sport team will once again be bringing great coverage across all our platforms, meaning F1 fans can follow the action and interact wherever they are, whenever they want.
"We're proud to offer our audiences the opportunity to follow the great stories and share all the excitement of this fantastic sport."
TV Coverage
Live coverage of every qualifying session and all 19 races live on BBC One [1]:
- All races and qualifying sessions that finish before 10.00am to have full repeat on terrestrial TV later in the day
- One-hour evening highlights programme on BBC Three
BBC Radio 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra
Live commentary of every race plus:
- Coverage of all the stories as they break plus big name interviews from the drivers, owners and personalities
- 5 Live Formula 1 on 5 Live Sport every Friday night prior to a race, previewing all the action with expert analysis and the latest news from the track
- Coverage of practice and qualifying sessions
- Chequered Flag podcast available to download at bbc.co.uk/5live with expert analysis and reaction from the circuit
BBC Radio 5 Live's Formula 1 coverage is produced by USP Content.
You can listen to 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra via DAB digital radio, Digital TV and online at bbc.co.uk/5live; 5 Live is also on 693 & 909 MW.
BBC Red Button
Live coverage of all on-track sessions including practice sessions plus the following options:
- Network feed with choice of commentary from 5 Live or TV for qualifying and Grands Prix
- In-car camera feed and leaderboard
- Rolling highlights
- Coverage of Friday and Saturday practice sessions
- Up to an hour of analysis on the red button immediately after all races with Jake Humphrey, David Coulthard, Eddie Jordan and Martin Brundle. Viewers are invited to e-mail/text in, ask questions and interact
BBC Sport Website
Live video streaming of all on-track sessions, including:
- Network TV feed with choice of commentary from 5 Live or TV
- Option to choose a high-quality video stream
- In-car camera feed
- Rolling highlights
- Jake Humphrey, David Coulthard, Eddie Jordan and Martin Brundle provide up to an hour of analysis available immediately after all races, with viewers invited to e-mail/text in, ask questions and interact
Editorial coverage to include:
- Latest leaderboard
- Full statistics from all on-track sessions
- Distinctive live text commentary
- News stories
- Martin Brundle, Mark Webber, Mark Hughes, Ted Kravitz and Lee McKenzie columns
- Blogs by Jonathan Legard, Jake Humphrey and journalists Andrew Benson and Sarah Holt
- Murray Walker regular post-race video summary and Q&A
- Interactive world venue map and circuit guides, including animated laps of tracks
- Driver and team profiles
- Chequered Flag podcast available to download at bbc.co.uk/5live
The BBC has a five year deal to broadcast F1, which runs from 2009 to 2013 inclusive, and includes exclusive rights to TV, radio, full broadband and mobile.
Notes to Editors
[1] Please note: all broadcast details subject to change, including accommodation of the General Election.
Amazing how this HD issue has slipped into a BBC bashing topic when FOM are the problem...
The BBC's comment about "technical issues" being the reason why they will not be providing HD coverage is a convenient excuse which they use all the time to disguise the real reason why they can't/won't do something. They don't have the budget for paying Bernie's extra HD levy and don't want to admit it.
The BBC's comment about "technical issues" being the reason why they will not be providing HD coverage is a convenient excuse which they use all the time to disguise the real reason why they can't/won't do something. They don't have the budget for paying Bernie's extra HD levy and don't want to admit it.
just looking through the press release (cheers d.m.n), nothing has changed, right?
nothing added, nor nothing lost?
nothing added, nor nothing lost?
QUOTE (BrendanMcF @ Feb 4 2010, 18:25)
They don't have the budget for paying Bernie's extra HD levy and don't want to admit it.
That'd apply to all F1 broadcasters then..
QUOTE (sidepodcast @ Feb 4 2010, 18:33)
just looking through the press release (cheers d.m.n), nothing has changed, right?
nothing added, nor nothing lost?
nothing added, nor nothing lost?
Correct, but slight worry about Classic F1 being ditched, but that was probably an oversight from the PR more than anything else.
EDIT: The only bit is removal of Hamilton/Phillips, which was mentioned numerously here.
QUOTE (sidepodcast @ Feb 4 2010, 18:33)
just looking through the press release (cheers d.m.n), nothing has changed, right?
nothing added, nor nothing lost?
nothing added, nor nothing lost?
Maurice Hamilton and Ian Phillips are nowhere to be seen. I personally wont miss them a bit, but I know they have their fans.
Bernie Ecclestone has been described as many many things, but a bad salesman he is not.
Can someone please post a credible link that describes TV Company’s unwillingness to pay extra for a HD feed from FOM???
I don't believe the BBC are refusing to pay out on an increased tariff for HD content.
Until a credible, reliable source is linked, it remains made up bile just to bash the BBC for personal agendas
The press release looks sound to me
Can someone please post a credible link that describes TV Company’s unwillingness to pay extra for a HD feed from FOM???
I don't believe the BBC are refusing to pay out on an increased tariff for HD content.
Until a credible, reliable source is linked, it remains made up bile just to bash the BBC for personal agendas
The press release looks sound to me
QUOTE (BrendanMcF @ Feb 4 2010, 18:25)
They don't have the budget for paying Bernie's extra HD levy and don't want to admit it.
What HD levy? At this time FOM do not supply a HD feed on which to put a levy.
QUOTE (BrendanMcF @ Feb 4 2010, 18:25)
The BBC's comment about "technical issues" being the reason why they will not be providing HD coverage is a convenient excuse which they use all the time to disguise the real reason why they can't/won't do something. They don't have the budget for paying Bernie's extra HD levy and don't want to admit it.
How do you provide an HD feed when FOM don't make one?
QUOTE (Ellios @ Feb 4 2010, 18:41)
Bernie Ecclestone has been described as many many things, but a bad salesman he is not.
Can someone please post a credible link that describes TV Company’s unwillingness to pay extra for a HD feed from FOM???
I don't believe the BBC are refusing to pay out on an increased tariff for HD content.
Until a credible, reliable source is linked, it remains made up bile just to bash the BBC for personal agendas
The press release looks sound to me
Can someone please post a credible link that describes TV Company’s unwillingness to pay extra for a HD feed from FOM???
I don't believe the BBC are refusing to pay out on an increased tariff for HD content.
Until a credible, reliable source is linked, it remains made up bile just to bash the BBC for personal agendas
The press release looks sound to me
Simple, there isn't one.
Notice that NOWHERE gets F1 in HD.
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Feb 4 2010, 18:36)
EDIT: The only bit is removal of Hamilton/Phillips, which was mentioned numerously here.
cheers. although hamilton barely featured last year either, did he?
QUOTE (Clatter @ Feb 4 2010, 18:48)
What HD levy? At this time FOM do not supply a HD feed on which to put a levy.
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Feb 4 2010, 18:56)
How do you provide an HD feed when FOM don't make one?QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Feb 4 2010, 18:56)
Simple, there isn't one.
Notice that NOWHERE gets F1 in HD.
Notice that NOWHERE gets F1 in HD.
#1: There is a HD feed.
#2: There isn't enough interest in HD shown generally by broadcasters
#3: Therefore Formula One Management are not releasing the feed to broadcasters mentioned in #1 due to the reason given in #2.
Also see Danielle Nagler's comments: http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?entry=no_f1_in_hd_this
QUOTE (sidepodcast @ Feb 4 2010, 18:56)
cheers. although hamilton barely featured last year either, did he?
I think Hamilton generally did every 2nd practice session in the Friday afternoon with Ian Phillips (up until Monza).
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Feb 4 2010, 18:58)
#1: There is a HD feed.
#2: There isn't enough interest in HD shown generally by broadcasters
#3: Therefore Formula One Management are not releasing the feed to broadcasters mentioned in #1 due to the reason given in #2.
Also see Danielle Nagler's comments: http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?entry=no_f1_in_hd_this
#2: There isn't enough interest in HD shown generally by broadcasters
#3: Therefore Formula One Management are not releasing the feed to broadcasters mentioned in #1 due to the reason given in #2.
Also see Danielle Nagler's comments: http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?entry=no_f1_in_hd_this
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if not all of the action is captured in HD, it’s not released to broadcasters by Formula 1 in HD
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but we are dependent on Formula 1 making a feed available in HD
Perhaps you should read your own links before getting on your high horse with us because according to it there is no HD feed available.
QUOTE (sidepodcast @ Feb 4 2010, 18:56)
cheers. although hamilton barely featured last year either, did he?
He was a fixture during fp2 on 5 live with Phillips banging on about bollocks mostly.
I did used to quite like him but he got a bit much when paired with phillips.
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Feb 4 2010, 19:04)
Perhaps you should read your own links before getting on your high horse with us because according to it there is no HD feed available.
Well that is what has been mooted over on DS whenever HD comes up. Maybe its just the footage in HD, but still because of not enough interest = no release of HD footage/feed.
Just looked at the press office release, they still haven't released info here yet, but presumably that'll come up soon. I can only guess that in the vast majority of cases it will be at a similar level as last year for Freeview users, especially when there are no other events clashing with them.
My initial concern are the Bahrain practice sessions - being able to watch from the very start of a season last year was quite special. I can't think off the top of my head whether there are any sporting events clashing with it, although I don't know how long the Six Nations goes on for or even if the BBC have coverage of that.
Also - just listening to 5live right now, Legard is talking about the John Terry "scandal", it's weird, his voice is completely different - eloquent, fluent and most of all, passionate. I really don't get any of those things when he talks or commentates on or about F1.
My initial concern are the Bahrain practice sessions - being able to watch from the very start of a season last year was quite special. I can't think off the top of my head whether there are any sporting events clashing with it, although I don't know how long the Six Nations goes on for or even if the BBC have coverage of that.
Also - just listening to 5live right now, Legard is talking about the John Terry "scandal", it's weird, his voice is completely different - eloquent, fluent and most of all, passionate. I really don't get any of those things when he talks or commentates on or about F1.
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Feb 4 2010, 18:58)
#1: There is a HD feed.
#2: There isn't enough interest in HD shown generally by broadcasters
#3: Therefore Formula One Management are not releasing the feed to broadcasters mentioned in #1 due to the reason given in #2.
Also see Danielle Nagler's comments: http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?entry=no_f1_in_hd_this
#2: There isn't enough interest in HD shown generally by broadcasters
#3: Therefore Formula One Management are not releasing the feed to broadcasters mentioned in #1 due to the reason given in #2.
Also see Danielle Nagler's comments: http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?entry=no_f1_in_hd_this
Did you bother to read the article you linked to? It quite clearly states that there is not a HD feed.
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ Feb 4 2010, 19:18)
Just looked at the press office release, they still haven't released info here yet, but presumably that'll come up soon. I can only guess that in the vast majority of cases it will be at a similar level as last year for Freeview users, especially when there are no other events clashing with them.
My initial concern are the Bahrain practice sessions - being able to watch from the very start of a season last year was quite special. I can't think off the top of my head whether there are any sporting events clashing with it, although I don't know how long the Six Nations goes on for or even if the BBC have coverage of that.
Also - just listening to 5live right now, Legard is talking about the John Terry "scandal", it's weird, his voice is completely different - eloquent, fluent and most of all, passionate. I really don't get any of those things when he talks or commentates on or about F1.
My initial concern are the Bahrain practice sessions - being able to watch from the very start of a season last year was quite special. I can't think off the top of my head whether there are any sporting events clashing with it, although I don't know how long the Six Nations goes on for or even if the BBC have coverage of that.
Also - just listening to 5live right now, Legard is talking about the John Terry "scandal", it's weird, his voice is completely different - eloquent, fluent and most of all, passionate. I really don't get any of those things when he talks or commentates on or about F1.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_radio/5345480.stm
If you checkout the upcoming red button stuff the six nations comes off quite badly on freeview.
QUOTE (Clatter @ Feb 4 2010, 19:27)
If you checkout the upcoming red button stuff the six nations comes off quite badly on freeview.
Not that I really care, as long as it doesn't get in the way of F1 or something else I might want
Thanks for that link, didn't know that page existed, should be useful in future.
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ Feb 4 2010, 19:36)
Not that I really care, as long as it doesn't get in the way of F1 or something else I might want
Thanks for that link, didn't know that page existed, should be useful in future.
Thanks for that link, didn't know that page existed, should be useful in future.
I was using it more as an illustration. Freeview services are very much the poor relation compared to Sat. No idea what it's like on cable.
Is there any way to watch BBC online outside the UK? For free I mean, cause polish coverage isn't the greatest...
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Feb 4 2010, 20:33)
Is there any way to watch BBC online outside the UK? For free I mean, cause polish coverage isn't the greatest...
I think you're in the footprint of the Astra2 satellite, so you'd get it with a FreeSat box and big Sky type dish.
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Feb 4 2010, 20:33)
Is there any way to watch BBC online outside the UK? For free I mean, cause polish coverage isn't the greatest...
There are... but via illegal methods!
Bit worried about Classic Grand Prix not being mentioned, despite Benson's assurance that it would be back.
It forms part of my build up to a Grand Prix.
It forms part of my build up to a Grand Prix.
QUOTE (undersquare @ Feb 4 2010, 20:40)
I think you're in the footprint of the Astra2 satellite, so you'd get it with a FreeSat box and big Sky type dish.
Our first attempt at finding Astra 2D from France ended up with us getting a Polish TV satellite by accident so I imagine they are pretty close. Only problem is the signal gets a bit dodgy in bad weather, particularly in winter, but that seemed to affect the red button streams for practice much more than BBC 1, so you should be OK for quali and races.
I really hope the omission of Classic F1 is just an oversight
, it did a lot to help expand my knowledge of F1's history.Some of the Classic F1 stuff that had Maurice Hamilton commenting wasn't so bad, but the pairing of him and Ian Phillips produced coma-inducing waffle so I won't be missing them much - to be honest, I wasn't too keen the sessions he did with Crofty this year either.
QUOTE (KateLM @ Feb 4 2010, 22:30)
Our first attempt at finding Astra 2D from France ended up with us getting a Polish TV satellite by accident so I imagine they are pretty close. Only problem is the signal gets a bit dodgy in bad weather, particularly in winter, but that seemed to affect the red button streams for practice much more than BBC 1, so you should be OK for quali and races.
Seems to need a 1.8m dish for 2D, and to be in the south / west of Poland, but then it's free ...
QUOTE (KateLM @ Feb 4 2010, 22:30)
Some of the Classic F1 stuff that had Maurice Hamilton commenting wasn't so bad, but the pairing of him and Ian Phillips produced coma-inducing waffle so I won't be missing them much - to be honest, I wasn't too keen the sessions he did with Crofty this year either.
Hamilton + Phillips = worst Britsh F1 commentary ever. It's great that they're gone imo. Davidson and Croft are great to listen to during Friday practice, always missed them during second practice
Agree Philips was boring, but I like Hamilton.
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Feb 4 2010, 20:41)
There are... but via illegal methods! ;)
The BBC's UK satellite transmissions are not encrypted (even BBC HD), and it is not illegal to tune into an open signal.
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Feb 4 2010, 20:33)
Is there any way to watch BBC online outside the UK? For free I mean, cause polish coverage isn't the greatest...
Check out this excellent site and enter your lat/long, then select the satellite you are trying to view, and it will tell you how big a dish you need. It will also allow you to check for obstructions such as trees and other buildings using Google Maps.
For Astra 2 at 28.2degE, this is the footprint for the transponders carrying the BBC channels, and the 47 dBW contour represents the extent of the range which a small, 65-85cm dish will pickup the signal.
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Feb 4 2010, 18:56)
Simple, there isn't one.
Notice that NOWHERE gets F1 in HD.
Notice that NOWHERE gets F1 in HD.
Japan does, at least at their home GP. The rest is most likely upscaled.
Fuji TV are (were?) the race sponsors.
Peter Brackley voice overs the Autosport videos. Now I wouldn't mind him replacing Legard!
Failing that, how about Dave Lamb off of Come Dine With Me
Failing that, how about Dave Lamb off of Come Dine With Me
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Feb 4 2010, 18:24)
TV Coverage
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- One-hour evening highlights programme on BBC Three
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- One-hour evening highlights programme on BBC Three
Does anyone know if this will include Friday nights ? or just the Saturday/Sunday coverage that has been on BBC 1 ?
Can we move the HD discussion to the F1 in HD thread, and save this one for things the BBC actually have any control over ?
http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...21566&hl=HD
QUOTE (Youichi @ Feb 5 2010, 10:41)
Does anyone know if this will include Friday nights ? or just the Saturday/Sunday coverage that has been on BBC 1 ?
Can we move the HD discussion to the F1 in HD thread, and save this one for things the BBC actually have any control over ?
http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...21566&hl=HD
Can we move the HD discussion to the F1 in HD thread, and save this one for things the BBC actually have any control over ?
http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...21566&hl=HD
Can't discuss much in a locked thread.
QUOTE (Youichi @ Feb 5 2010, 10:41)
Does anyone know if this will include Friday nights ? or just the Saturday/Sunday coverage that has been on BBC 1 ?
Same as last year, it'll only be the race itself, not practice or qualifying. They wouldn't give an hour of BBC3 to allow them to show highlights of Friday practice, there'd be no point whatsoever, and they wouldn't do it for Saturday practice/qualifying either (again, no real point, anyone who's going to miss quali would record it, at least with 1hr race highlights it's suitable for those who aren't interested in watching a full race, and allows them to only watch the interesting parts, without having to fast forward trying to find those parts from an earlier recording of the live race).
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Jan 31 2010, 11:36)
Let's just get the facts straight:
- an average of 4.3m watched on BBC1 with BBC TV commentary.
- an extra 250,000 chose alternate commentary, that's not even 10% choosing alternative commentary. In reality, not many viewers really care about the commentary.
- an average of 4.3m watched on BBC1 with BBC TV commentary.
- an extra 250,000 chose alternate commentary, that's not even 10% choosing alternative commentary. In reality, not many viewers really care about the commentary.
Fans listen to commentary straight from BBC1 for one reason Martin Brundle he is an outstanding print journalist and motor racing commentator having a true understanding of what Nicki Lauda called "The Art and Technicalities of Grand Prix Driving" and the numbers would be higher without "know it all Legard" who's knowledge appears based on largely "The Ladybird Book of F1".
Just a thought, regarding the Classic F1 series, maybe it'd be a good idea for someone to either tweet Jake to see if he can find out, or email Andrew Benson, rather than us all just sitting and waiting to see if it's back for this year (can't think of a reason why it shouldn't be, but best to check I guess).
Frankly, for any serious F1 follower, poor old Legard is on a hiding to nothing.
Martin delivers his excellent analysis of what's really going on.
Ted in the pits gives us info that we can't see on screen
That Scottish girl pops up with interviews of the drivers who've retired.
...and when there is nothing else of interest for these guys to chat about, Legard has to try and fill the gaps, telling the ordinary viewers what they are seeing on screen. For those who don't follow the live timing or web chat, it is essential, but for the rest of us it's just noise.
If there was an option to just switch off his commentary and leave the rest, it would be perfect...
Martin delivers his excellent analysis of what's really going on.
Ted in the pits gives us info that we can't see on screen
That Scottish girl pops up with interviews of the drivers who've retired.
...and when there is nothing else of interest for these guys to chat about, Legard has to try and fill the gaps, telling the ordinary viewers what they are seeing on screen. For those who don't follow the live timing or web chat, it is essential, but for the rest of us it's just noise.
If there was an option to just switch off his commentary and leave the rest, it would be perfect...
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