He will

Why they pulled in MW at the same time as the others i will never know

Surely Hulk should yield a place for that last skip through the chicane...
Vettel could still end up in front if Webber doesn't get past Hulk.

He will end up infront no matter what happens now

Sadly because they are idiots rather than favouring Seb, thats the scary thing.

Thought i read recently that the RBR strategist was moving on (or being moved on)? They don't seem to be getting any cleverer..

Surprised the stewards aren't even investigating Hulkenberg - looks like 7th is it.

Another poor strategy by the RBR guys. Why not leave both Seb and Mark out for a few more laps and they would have both jumped the queue. Now Seb will get 4th which is brillant but they've screwed up Webber yet again.

Why do they keep thinking they will gain places by their so-called sub 4 second pitstops I will never understand. They have a faster car here at Monza so I don't know why they don't use it. Frustrates me watching the strategic calls from the RBR pitwall sometimes.

Sometimes????????

Oh well done Mark, well done.

Great move from Webbo

The car is just FANTASTIC under brakes, SUPER stable.

Hulkenberg hasn't made a friend of Webber today lol...

You have to wonder what this car would have done the past 2 years with a top line driver.

Stupid by RBR, if Webber misses the WDC by a few points that'll haunt them.

Shouldn't this be in the Mp4-25 thread?

You mean like that one who drove into the side of the Ferrari today?

Ok this just has to be said.

GIT. your foolishness is welcomed into the room before you.


Once again RBR strategy is sub par.
Even pitting MW ONE LAP after NH would have done the job. but no...

I have no idea why RBR continue to pit Mark into traffic. Not unexpected traffic either, fkn ridic.

Couple of great passes by Mark, both RBR drivers were a bit tentative into T1. Not sure what happened into the 2nd chicane.

Not sure whether you mean that RBR do it more or less often. Given the number of calls I've seen them make cost their drivers points, sometimes they make the right calls and then they have their lousy ones.

More often than not they completely **** Mark's strategy, again today. He's leading the WDC FFS, he shoul dhave been pitted on the perfect lap and Seb a second thought.

But no.

Especially with his main competitor (Ham) out of the race, as soon as that happened they should have focused on max points for Mark today, that was a golden opportunity to get a break on Hamilton. Absolutely retarded thinking today.

Unbelievable and bloody ridiculous.

The thinking was simple....How do we bring SV back into contention.
All other considerations went out the window.

I dont thing RBR strategy is about stuffing MWs race, I just dont thing they give a @#$%

How do you know Mark would have the tyres or pace to do what Seb did with that strategy? Mark ruined his own race and threw away a perfect opportunity with another shameful start losing 5 positions, yet again.

Webber needs to stop screwing his starts and his team needs to make some better decisions on the pit wall.

All in all its ok but only because Hamilton binned it.

QFT

EDIT : Webber and Vettel both need be equally scared of that idiocy
EDIT2 : Brill drive by SV today tho - Matching the lap times of leaders on race old tyres

Seb Vettel man of the race.

What a stupid move by Red Bull, with Hamilton out they should have gunned for maximum points for Mark. On the bright side, Webber has a 5 point lead after a race they felt they would fall far behind and should be in the box seat if Red Bull don't mess it up.

he didnt need that pace Jez

He didnt even need to be infront of SV
They could have done exactly the same thing for SV as they did and brought MW in a few laps latter than they did.
Result SV 5th MW 4th OR SV4th MW5th

Fact is they pulled MW in without regard for the train in ftront if him.
Just as in the past when they left MW out without regard for the train behind him.

RBR make MW pits calls by pulling a lap number out of their collective ASSES

Again, he failed to pass anyone with a faster car. He's gotta find a clean way past people, it's really hurting him. When Webber's passing looks cleaner and more decisive than yours, you have a problem.

I could not understand them bringing Webber in when they did ... but the team has made various similar mistakes all year. Good recovery from Seb though, and great for the team really, due to Hamilton loosing it. The starts from the Renault are becoming worrying, as there's a pattern emerging. Hopefully they'll work out what is going on. Webber was conservative at the first corner, Seb must have been too, but obviously it was worth it. Hamilton really blew it, a shame really except that its not an easy place to overtake at. Great win for Ferrari, at Monza. What could be better. Good news too, the RBRs looked dam quick. Bring it on! There's more than one upgrade for the next race too!

No one struggled with tyres today, the options were too stable. And he didn't have to stay out as long as Vettel did. I think its safe to suggest he could have made it work.

Agreed on the start though - he was concentrating too much on covering Vettel and left the inside open. It's always been the biggest weakness of his game.

When I saw the start replay Webber was only in 6th and Vettel was doing a little dance over the first chicane behind him, how Webber ended up in 9th I don't know but someone may have pulled a Hamilton on him.

Engine problem ?!?

That's what I saw, he was 6th and Vettel real loose across the chicane ... no idea how 3 places were lost but I saw a HUGE puff of dust.

You obviously don't watch live timing, his problem lasted less than a lap

It was yet another terrible start. What destroyed Marks race was Marks start. That crucial jousting phase into the first few corners is really weighing down on his races.

Valencia - 2nd to 9th first lap
Spa - 1st to 6th first lap
Monza - 4th to 9th first lap

Its becoming a disturbing trend.

Really Jez, how do you know he wouldn't?

Agree though Mark compromised his race with the poor start but as it's a team sport the guys on the pitwall should be doing their best to get him as many points as possible - which perhaps they are but all too often they fall short when even us keyboard warriors can see what they should be doing...

Excellent race by Vettel. His strategy of saving his tires and an amazing late stop was perfectly executed. He even managed to do the 'team thing' for Webber. Great race for Vettel.

They just showed Seb'a onboard - Mark ran wide onto the gravel losing the extra 3 places on the first lap.

It's hilarious how everybody is screaming for team orders now that Mark is a few points in front. It's not long ago that everybody was upset about Mark not "being treated equaly".

Saw on the replay of Sebs start that Webber went in to the gravel slightly which is how he lost those few positions. Don't know if he was boxed in will have to see a Webber or preferably Kubica onboard.

Yes that was the part the Cameras missed earlier.
Webber does that from time to time - almost identical to Valencia.

Altho he did well to recover and also made a few good overtakes!

Yes it was a solid drive by SV (he didnt pass ANYONE though as he should have)
However there were NO signs the the softs were going off for ANYONE.
NO REASON AT ALL for the team to bring MW in when they did.

Everyone with a fraction of a brain cell cold see all they had to do was wait till the oterhs pitted and call MW in 2-3 lapps later.

SV may well have still jumped MW and more power to him for it, but MW would have been 5th at least and thats more points for RBR


Any way you cut this.
RBR strategists are the reason they dont DOMINATE the WCC at the moment and this race was just one mroe example of that

Pretty good day for RedBull really,i dont know why people are complaining.

4th and 6th is a good result.

Webber will improve his starts no doubt and they will be on the front row from now on so all is good and Webber is leading the WDC and RedBull are leading the WCC.

Looking awesome for the rest of the year.

I bet the Vettel fans love hulk at present. Eh I should ammend that. Love the idiot stewards at present lol

Agree that it could've been far worse - I bet they weren't thinking they would be leaving Monza with the championship lead. Luckily for them Hamilton DNF'd though...

Webber clearly, not happy with Hulkenberg but I think he is angrier at the team as he well might me. He said the option was fine insinuating that the team should not have pitted him when they did.

Behind closed doors Webber is going to go nuts at the team me thinks.

Edit: Never seen the man so angry or dissapointed all at the same time.

I have certainly noticed a trend and it's got nothing to do with Mark's starts...

WoW Webber was pissed in that interview.I wonder if the clutch setting was wrong again??