Hi Pete,

No its not Duebel, i have pics of him. I cant remember who this one is.

Kevin

Looks like Siggi Schauzu?

Well thats what i thought, its like his style. Now if it was a shot from another view and he was sideways then i would say yes.

Kevin

Looks quite young for Schauzu, but if it's a contemporary pic to the Fath shot, then it's probably 1960. Great pics, Dommie.

The one labeled Colin is that Colin Seeley ?

This takes me back to my childhood, Florian Camathias, Fritz Scheidegger, Helmut Fath, i was probably around 12 years old but bike racing mad.

Hi, Fath is right on the other pic although different time to the mystery BMW outfit. Fath would be on his URS at this time. Thanks for the comment, will try to locate more.

Hi Pete, yes it's Colin Seeley and you can see this outfit and dad's outfit on the Duke DVD about sidecar champions. Dad is in shot going through the paddock at Mallory for the race of the year, you got the others ok.

How are you keeping?

Kevin

I still think it's the Beemer, Dom. BMW roundels on the bike and both helmets.

Kevin, do you remember when and where the pic showing #14 sidecar outfit was taken ? Even Max Deubel is now engaged in the hunt ..

Hi Renn, i must admit that i bought this pic from the small air museum on the Ronaldsway Airport when my wife took me there for my 40th to watch the Manx GP in 08. On the back is Racing Photos IOM, i have a phone number so will ring and find out later.
Say hello to Max for me, he sent my dad a birthday card a couple of years ago for his 70th.

Kevin

Pity enough I'm not personally acquainted to Max, but the chap who runs

http://www.eggersdorfer.info/

knows one who knows Max or something like that. Well, we now know for sure where the pic was taken... will keep you informed

Edit: Just in case you're in this region

http://www.hotel-deubel.de/en

Whilst on the hunt for info on a sidecar racer, i came across this site. A good selection of photos with autographs from classics through to today.

Kevin

www.motorsportstatistik.com/.../gpsieger.htm

Hi Renn, could it be Georg Auerbacher? I must admit i was going by the chin!

Kevin

That' what I received via Rolf Eggersdorfer

"Hello Rolf,
Ich denke Otto Kölle in GP Spanien in Barcelona 1962;
Er Hat noch nicht gut Farbe auf Verkleidung war erste Renne WM 6 mai.
Sein motor hat "injection" von Fath, Alle renn fahrer sind mit Vergaser
Montjuich Grosse links Curve vor "start-ende" Dieter Hess beifahrer.
Mit viel Grüsse

Claude "


which means that Claude Lambert's tip is Kölle/Hess at Montjuich in '62

Kölle is also Max Deubel's guess

Cheers

Wow ! Gotta love TNF !

http://www.p-3motorsportphotos.com/en/cate...12/display/1298

Have a look at this

Its Kolle by the way.

Hi all, yes Otto was next on my list, but at 2 am i had enough so went to bed and only just got back from doing a 250+ mile round trip today. PICBLANC, the web you link us to is a good site, i looked at that site for 1965 West German GP for my dad. He has most numbers except number 11, and thats the one i am looking for. Sods law or what!

I have this book Called Sieg und Niederlage by Deubel und Horner signed by both.
so I have to go to the Hotel, and have a nice diner there one day?
Memories are made of this...

Paul Hooft

OK, here's another WWW

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53319935@N06/5496996729/

Kevin

Arsenius Butscher, Colin Seeley's special friend ?

Not a friend of my dad either, he rammed my dads chair going into a chicane so stopping my dads passenger from getting out so my dad repaid Butscher by blocking his passenger from leaning on the second half of the chicane. Can you get place or year?

Kevin

'65 or '66 I guess. Wolfgang Kalauch in the chair ? Eventually he changed to a left hand outfit.

65 yes, passenger yes also.

Possibly Colin assumed that different lines which right and left hand outfits may take were the reason for some close encounters, nevertheless it's strange that mostly Butscher was involved when it happened...

Looks like the hairpin at Rouen.

Spot on 1965 French GP Rouen. My father was in this race, dont know his number, think he finished 10th. This is the meeting that i was on about in tales of the unexpected.

Kevin

Joe, there's a stack of stuff on Jenks in amongst the car threads on TNF, just scroll through the thread titles, or go into the search box. But NEVER spell Stirling with an "e" over there, or you will get your entrails flayed by a wide variety of well-meaning but at times snippy pedants...



One of the best lines I've spotted about dear old Jenks over there was along the lines of...

"Denis Jenkinson was the winner of the 1955 Mille Miglia in a Mercedes driven by a chaffeur "....

Hi Chris, do you remember the year and was it left hand outfit ?

German red left hander, so I think it should be Heinz Luthringshauser



Thanks for courtesy

Wolfgang Kalauch told me once that the hammering of the kidneys was causing blood in the urine even 2 weeks after the TT

Possibly of interest, Heinz ran a bike museum in a church building (!) and it's still going strong

http://www.motorradmuseum-heinz-luthringshauser.com/

Courtesy of 'Paul from Eupen'

Charlie Freeman style paintjob, but not sure he had a solo/bolt on chair.

Kevin

Yep, it's Charlie Freeman, presumably with Billie Nelson in the chair

At old, long Spa ?

Hi Glen, it's at Scarborough, possibly bottom straight ?
May someone who knows the place please tell us ? Thanks

Thanks for confirmation, I wasn't sure about the section of the circuit

Didnt Charlie Freeman state that he had the ' Fastest Manx powered outfit in the World'?

Kevin

He finished in 8th place in the 500 cc sidecar TT on a Norton as late as '70 behind the BMW armada and Owesle on the URS, not bad if he was still campaigning the Manx

OK, name the rider, surname that is.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53319935@N06/...in/photostream/

On this one whats the location?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53319935@N06/...in/photostream/ ok not sidecars so in the wrong thread, sorry


Kevin

Hi, i hope to add a link to youtube later. ( dont hold your breath) I am trying to upload the 1965 sidecar of the year race from Mallory that may be of interest.

Kevin

They were very interesting shots all the same.

Owen Greenwood and that mini special also a morgan by the looks of it.

Kevin

Probably the ' Mogvin ' , Kevin ??

Here's a clip about Greenwood's machine http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=44109

Wonder why those guys who didn't want to drive sidecar outfits nevertheless took part in sidecar races ? Was it easier for them to gain success by unfair advantage instead of being consistent and switch to car racing ?

IIRC , disliked by most , who thought it was cheating , which it wasn't , as it complied with the rules , as did Rolf Biland's creations in later years , although the FIM created a B2 ? class for him
Chris Vincent was in the process of constructing something when the ACU changed the rules , I believe

Owen greenwood was a very good conventional chairman before he built the mini.Make a rule and some-one will use it to their advantage!

HW

Yes I agree, those contraptions complied with the rules which clearly showed the incompetence of the FIM and it's subalterns. Wonder why nobody entered a Formula 3 car with a sack of potatoes as substitute passenger. Rant over