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whitewaterMkII
QUOTE (senna da silva @ Mar 20 2010, 22:53) *
Give me one good reason why Carl should have wrecked Brad at the Kobalt 500, that's what I'm asking for?

Because as usual, BK was acting like it was the last restart in the race.
Everyone was running two wide, except for BK who before everyone was up to speed decided to stick his nose under CE
A racing incident that was totally avoidable.
That in the NASCAR drivers manual is called uneccessarily racing too hard way too early.
DLaw
QUOTE (senna da silva @ Mar 20 2010, 07:53) *
Give me one good reason why Carl should have wrecked Brad at the Kobalt 500, that's what I'm asking for?


Again, why not? Go on, keep repeating it. smoking.gif
Dmitriy_Guller
QUOTE (whitewaterMkII @ Mar 20 2010, 10:43) *
The garage talks.

Pretty good article with a number of drivers giving their input on the 'unwritten' rules.

NASCAR will put their foot down, eventually. They won't do it to a top driver, and they certainly won't do it if BK is involved, but before long they will have to draw the line.

IMO, that was actually a very bad article to quote to state your case. It makes it sound like NASCAR is a fraternity with rough hazing rituals, and that a newcomer should be bending over and taking it for a while and loving it. That actually makes Brad look very admirable for being unwilling to submit to such a demeaning hierarchy.
whitewaterMkII
QUOTE (Dmitriy_Guller @ Mar 21 2010, 03:34) *
IMO, that was actually a very bad article to quote to state your case. It makes it sound like NASCAR is a fraternity with rough hazing rituals, and that a newcomer should be bending over and taking it for a while and loving it. That actually makes Brad look very admirable for being unwilling to submit to such a demeaning hierarchy.

...but it is a demeaning heiarchy, and a fraternity. Those that realize it is, and play by it's unwritten rules, benefit in the long run, those that don't extend the period of apprenticeship..
senna da silva
QUOTE (whitewaterMkII @ Mar 20 2010, 18:28) *
Because as usual, BK was acting like it was the last restart in the race.
Everyone was running two wide, except for BK who before everyone was up to speed decided to stick his nose under CE
A racing incident that was totally avoidable.
That in the NASCAR drivers manual is called uneccessarily racing too hard way too early.


Not everyone was running two wide. Go back and read this thread, go back and rewatch the incident, right in front of AJ there was three cars wide racing. You're obviously unwilling to look at the incident as it stands and you're content in the fact that Brad is a rookie and therefore is wrong. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water................
senna da silva
QUOTE (DLaw @ Mar 20 2010, 18:39) *
Again, why not? Go on, keep repeating it. smoking.gif


Brilliantly stated case, you must be a QC when not posting on the forum! rolleyes.gif
Ross Stonefeld
Reading the Autosport.com version of the latest story, I'm more of a Brad fan now than Edwards, all things being equal. I really dislike Edwards these days, because he plays both sides of the street. He is a prick, but that's no big deal most racers are. However unlike say a Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch, he tries to play Mr Sweet Boy Next Door in his public profile.

Didn't he punch another driver a few years ago? Like post-post race, ie when people were in civillian clothes. I want to say Kenseth, but it doesn't make sense that he'd get into a ruckus with his own team-mate, and at any rate Kenseth is about as aggressive as Mark Martin, personality wise.
Spunout
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Mar 21 2010, 09:12) *
Reading the Autosport.com version of the latest story, I'm more of a Brad fan now than Edwards, all things being equal. I really dislike Edwards these days, because he plays both sides of the street. He is a prick, but that's no big deal most racers are. However unlike say a Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch, he tries to play Mr Sweet Boy Next Door in his public profile.

Didn't he punch another driver a few years ago? Like post-post race, ie when people were in civillian clothes. I want to say Kenseth, but it doesn't make sense that he'd get into a ruckus with his own team-mate, and at any rate Kenseth is about as aggressive as Mark Martin, personality wise.


As I recall, there was some pushing going on. It looked like Edwards was about to throw a punch, but he called it off and walked away.
McGuire
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Mar 21 2010, 16:12) *
Reading the Autosport.com version of the latest story, I'm more of a Brad fan now than Edwards, all things being equal. I really dislike Edwards these days, because he plays both sides of the street. He is a prick, but that's no big deal most racers are. However unlike say a Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch, he tries to play Mr Sweet Boy Next Door in his public profile.

Didn't he punch another driver a few years ago? Like post-post race, ie when people were in civillian clothes. I want to say Kenseth, but it doesn't make sense that he'd get into a ruckus with his own team-mate, and at any rate Kenseth is about as aggressive as Mark Martin, personality wise.


He didn't hit Kenseth but he did indeed cock his hand at him on camera. Roush sat on him hard for that one. Edwards has also had some memorable run-ins with Stewart (contact on the track, then hit him on pit road) and with Junebug (ditto). These incidents were all in '07 as I recall. Tough year I suppose.

Edwards is an okay guy but just as you say, he is not the person in his carefully crafted on-camera persona. A bit of a screwball. Mercurial, shall we say. example, recall the Kesolowski deal -- on camera he said it wasn't Brad's fault, he'll have to look at the video, etc... then 100+ laps later he drills him and turns him.

Except for the fact that fans can be fanatical, I don't understand the fans screaming for Kesolowski's head. All the hits and re-hits have been issued. Retribution is not forever. Meanwhile, I am not impressed by Edwards' defense that he wasn't deliberately *trying* to put Kesolowski in the grandstands. When you hit and turn people, you own it. Especially at 190 mph. That wasn't Bowman-Gray Stadium they were running. He was lucky to get off with a three-race probation.

Spunout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CBm_VugNYk
Muz Bee
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Mar 21 2010, 21:12) *
Reading the Autosport.com version of the latest story, I'm more of a Brad fan now than Edwards, all things being equal. I really dislike Edwards these days, because he plays both sides of the street. He is a prick, but that's no big deal most racers are. However unlike say a Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch, he tries to play Mr Sweet Boy Next Door in his public profile.

Didn't he punch another driver a few years ago? Like post-post race, ie when people were in civillian clothes. I want to say Kenseth, but it doesn't make sense that he'd get into a ruckus with his own team-mate, and at any rate Kenseth is about as aggressive as Mark Martin, personality wise.

up.gif Total agreement from me Ross.

Some people need to lighten up on rookies IMHO. They have a limited time to impress and usually feel they are on a thread contract-wise. There's always someone else waiting to take their seat if the results are "mediocre". I don't see Penske pushing the panic button with Brad and he looked pretty reasonable today.

The more I go back and think about the two incidents the more I think that it's Edwards who comes out looking like he has 0 class at all, a cheap shot at best and a terribly dangerous piece of retribution at worst.
Jamesy
Wow? They've made up? Dear me, you'd think these two were 5 or something. Not a great example of how to act either of them.
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