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zoombie
Who can name me a company using subliminal advertising in this video.
http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT...p=1242807167177
Owen
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 14:25) *
Who can name me a company using subliminal advertising in this video.
http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT...p=1242807167177

To be fair, there's a fair number of logos in that clip.
Augurk
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 15:25) *
Who can name me a company using subliminal advertising in this video.
http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT...p=1242807167177

Haven't spotted any subliminal advertising, do we need sound?

Thing that did get my attention was the blatant tabacco advertising by two huge brands.
Clatter
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 14:25) *
Who can name me a company using subliminal advertising in this video.
http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT...p=1242807167177


I assume amongst the many you mean those whose barcode shall not be named.
Augurk
QUOTE (Clatter @ May 20 2010, 15:31) *
I assume amongst the many you mean those whose barcode shall not be named.

None of them is subliminal advertising to be honest.
zoombie
QUOTE (Owen @ May 20 2010, 13:29) *
To be fair, there's a fair number of logos in that clip.

yes, but there was a company thats shouldn't be there.
Clatter
QUOTE (Augurk @ May 20 2010, 14:32) *
None of them is subliminal advertising to be honest.


Nor me, but assume that is what the OP is referring to.
Owen
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 14:32) *
yes, but there was a company thats shouldn't be there.

intentional or a mistake?
zoombie
QUOTE (Clatter @ May 20 2010, 13:31) *
I assume amongst the many you mean those whose barcode shall not be named.

Yes, surprise Red bull did it though.
Augurk
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 15:34) *
Yes, surprise Red bull did it though.

It's nowhere near subliminal. It's rather blatant. But I'm quite sure not all those possible things can be governed. It would require Ferrari for instance to photoshop all their historical photographs on the website, etc.....
zoombie
QUOTE (Owen @ May 20 2010, 13:33) *
intentional or a mistake?

Looks intentional to me. Vodafone was a newcomer to the sport, if i'm not mistaken, vodafone wasn't in F1 when tobacco was allow so my guess is that its intentional.
FI-Addict
I presume you mean Gauloises. It used to have a large presence at the Monaco GP in the late 1990s but not sure why Red Bull still would have it on the simulator.
Owen
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 14:34) *
Yes, surprise Red bull did it though.

I wouldn't read much into it though to be honest.
zoombie
QUOTE (Augurk @ May 20 2010, 13:36) *
It's nowhere near subliminal. It's rather blatant. But I'm quite sure not all those possible things can be governed. It would require Ferrari for instance to photoshop all their historical photographs on the website, etc.....

The reason why I said it was subliminal is because its a very clever way of getting around the ban. Its not subliminal in the traditional sense. Perhaps my title is misleading smile.gif
Here's the thing, do they have marlboro in F1 games in 2010??
Owen
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 14:39) *
The reason why I said it was subliminal is because its a very clever way of getting around the ban. Its not subliminal in the traditional sense. Perhaps my title is misleading smile.gif
Here's the thing, do they have marlboro in F1 games in 2010??

Absolutely not.
Alfisti
smoke.
pRy
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 14:37) *
Looks intentional to me. Vodafone was a newcomer to the sport, if i'm not mistaken, vodafone wasn't in F1 when tobacco was allow so my guess is that its intentional.


Vodafone sponsored Ferrari from 2002 onwards, long before Tabacco was removed.
Ross Stonefeld
Fosters is there too, and they aren't in F1 anymore. The explanation is really simple, but actually kind of lame. They aren't using up to date circuit graphics. They're using what looks like 2006 circuit signage.
zoombie
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ May 20 2010, 13:43) *
Fosters is there too, and they aren't in F1 anymore. The explanation is really simple, but actually kind of lame. They aren't using up to date circuit graphics. They're using what looks like 2006 circuit signage.

Looks like you're right...i thought tobacco was banned way before that hence i thought it was intentional. blush.gif
BRK
Load up the circuit on rFactor and you'd see the same amount of advertising all around.

And did I see Vettel make a mistake at the entry to the tunnel? tongue.gif
pRy
Wasn't that feature used by German TV during their coverage?
Augurk
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 15:39) *
The reason why I said it was subliminal is because its a very clever way of getting around the ban. Its not subliminal in the traditional sense. Perhaps my title is misleading smile.gif

Hehe, a bit. I was expecting every 24th frame to be a "drink red bull cola" frame. Or the simulator to be filmed in a way its shape would resemble a coca cola bottle. Or even some resemblence on a billboard in the simulator to a nude female.

That's how subliminal advertising is used.

Quite bummed now that there isn't any subliminal advertising in this vid frown.gif
zoombie
QUOTE (Augurk @ May 20 2010, 13:50) *
Hehe, a bit. I was expecting every 24th frame to be a "drink red bull cola" frame. Or the simulator to be filmed in a way its shape would resemble a coca cola bottle. Or even some resemblence on a billboard in the simulator to a nude female.

That's how subliminal advertising is used.

Quite bummed now that there isn't any subliminal advertising in this vid frown.gif

lol i just did a search to see examples of subliminal here's wat i found
http://www.artistmike.com/Temp/SubliminalAd.html
never knew so many of them are out there...
check out that link there's an interesting explanation for the Dodge badge.
BRK
OT,but in a positive sense more people ought to watch Kubrick's 2001,a sheer work of art that is full of subliminal messages. And go meet Derren Brown,master of the black-art in our day and age.
Ross Stonefeld
QUOTE (zoombie @ May 20 2010, 14:57) *
lol i just did a search to see examples of subliminal here's wat i found
http://www.artistmike.com/Temp/SubliminalAd.html
never knew so many of them are out there...
check out that link there's an interesting explanation for the Dodge badge.


The guy who did that webpage needs to get laid.
Louis Siefert
unless Gauloise is a Phillip Morris brand this argument is moot
I would say it is some young developer using images from google as reference to add authenticity to the simulation

really how could you get two competing cigarette brands to give you placement money for "subliminal" advertising? on banners that unless you are fully focused on the landscape bother to notice
myself I was engrossed as to why he wore his race gloves in the simulator...
comfort or habit?
Gareth
Last entry on that page cracked me up: "Sometimes the subliminal message is not about sex".
Augurk
QUOTE (BRK @ May 20 2010, 16:05) *
OT,but in a positive sense more people ought to watch Kubrick's 2001,a sheer work of art that is full of subliminal messages. And go meet Derren Brown,master of the black-art in our day and age.

2001 is amazing.

Never seen a film where the protagonist flies around in a giant penis for nearly the entire duration made so well.

On a more serious note: the film has been made extraordinary, with extraordinary special effects. Would never say its made in the 60s. And also, the music!
EthanM
Some of those "subliminal" messages in that page are mostly blatant (not subliminal at all) indications the author isn't getting any. Seriously.
NadsatII
QUOTE (Owen @ May 20 2010, 14:29) *
To be fair, there's a fair number of logos in that clip.


Marlboro an Gauloises
NadsatII
QUOTE (NadsatII @ May 20 2010, 17:54) *
Marlboro and Gauloises

Lazy Prodigy
Oh no Marlboro is really in trouble now! And RedBull! And Vettel!

This clearly shows who will be paying for Vettel's salary in a few years. Also what he is smoking. And the people at RedBull smoke
BrokenBaculum
QUOTE (pRy @ May 20 2010, 14:40) *
Vodafone sponsored Ferrari from 2002 onwards, long before Tabacco was removed.


And they sponsored Benetton before that, during the late Nineties and early Noughties, on a car primarily covered in Mild Seven logos.
prty
Another example of subliminal advertising, a friend told me but I hadn't noticed. Rewatching now it's very obvious. Each and every time there was a camera shot in the hairpin, the shot ended away from the track and into the big Martini banner:



mtknot
rofl vettel lost it in one of the corners in that sim
Ross Stonefeld
QUOTE (prty @ May 22 2010, 12:09) *
Another example of subliminal advertising, a friend told me but I hadn't noticed. Rewatching now it's very obvious. Each and every time there was a camera shot in the hairpin, the shot ended away from the track and into the big Martini banner:





That's not subliminal, that's the point of trackside advertising.
prty
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ May 22 2010, 11:25) *
That's not subliminal, that's the point of trackside advertising.


But I think it's unusual that the focus of the scene changes deliberately from the cars into a banner, you find himself being forced to look at it without noticing, with regular trackside advertisment the focus is not stolen that much from you:





stevewf1
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ May 22 2010, 07:25) *
That's not subliminal, that's the point of trackside advertising.


Oh, and BetClic, Helix, Johnnie Walker, Bridgestone?

Say, what is "subliminal" advertising, anyway...



Ross Stonefeld
QUOTE (prty @ May 22 2010, 12:48) *
But I think it's unusual that the focus of the scene changes deliberately from the cars into a banner, you find himself being forced to look at it without noticing, with regular trackside advertisment the focus is not stolen that much from you:



It's more pronounced at Monaco. It's 'special' race in terms of how the commercial rights are handled, it's different from all other (FOM) races. That, and Martini pay them A LOT of money.
Augurk
Subliminal advertising is advertising below the threshold for conscious perception.

It triggers the subconscious mind, which is proven to be far more effective and persuasive than the conscious mind.
Suntrek
Worst thing is that Monaco actually has a corner named Tabac. mad.gif
Lights
QUOTE (Augurk @ May 22 2010, 14:01) *
Subliminal advertising is advertising below the threshold for conscious perception.

It triggers the subconscious mind, which is proven to be far more effective and persuasive than the conscious mind.

up.gif Exactly.

The Martini advert isn't sublimal advertising, but it's close to it. I noticed aswell how the camera often zoomed in (sometimes even more than in that .gif above) on the advert.

I remember another year (last year?) that some drivers joked they were distracted by the girl.
stevewf1
Sort of like the smell of freshly-brewed coffee in the morning.
ForeverF1
True 'subliminal' advertising is when you don't notice the advert, but feel compelled to buy a certain product (that was advertised) when shopping.
PayasYouRace
QUOTE (stevewf1 @ May 22 2010, 12:49) *
Oh, and BetClic, Helix, Johnnie Walker, Bridgestone?

Say, what is "subliminal" advertising, anyway...


It is the bogus belief that somehow a hidden message, that can't be detected by the conscious mind is somehow detected by the subconscious. It has been scientifically demonstrated to be false.

Now subtle advertising is something that does work.
krapmeister
QUOTE (Alfisti @ May 20 2010, 21:40) *
smoke.


lol.gif

I see what you did there up.gif
Disgrace
Every trackside advertisement is there for a reason; full exposure from the camera angles.

Why is this news?
stevewf1
QUOTE (Disgrace @ May 22 2010, 09:07) *
Why is this news?


That's what I'm wondering... Advertisements, "subliminal" or not, are all around us - everywhere.

Look up the color red and its effect in advertising.
HoldenRT
I haven't driven it in a while but it looks like they are using the GP4 conversion of Monaco as a base. The tracks for rfactor are free to use, even for F1 teams. tongue.gif Maybe they modified some of it, I don't know.. I always prefered the EMG (F1 challenge conversion) Monaco. Came 2nd in a league race there too. tongue.gif The simulator uses rfactor pro afterall. Some of the other tracks look better, but I am guessing for this one for whatever reason, they didn't want to use a proper scratch built version and instead used a second hand version. The GP4 version are laser scanned aren't they? Or something.. so they are quite accurate.

The advertising signs are the big giveaway. Rfactor conversion track that they downloaded of rfactorcentral.com probably.
wewantourdarbyback
QUOTE (Alfisti @ May 20 2010, 14:40) *
smoke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HCdRk0o5yk
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