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undersquare
Hamashima saying even the supersoft doesn't degrade here, and the concrete dust and general muck means no overtaking - whatever the shape of the track, it looks like they can't brake off line. Or even run off line if they can help it.

So Qualy will be all important. One tyre change and no passing.

FP3 on the other hand looks set to be quite interesting. More interesting than the race...
undersquare
So Red Bull are running their F-duct, Merc, Renault and Ferrari are running their exhaust driven diffusers.

Do we know about the Renault Merc and Ferrari F-ducts? I've lost track.

zaviali
QUOTE (undersquare @ Jun 26 2010, 08:55) *
So Red Bull are running their F-duct, Merc, Renault and Ferrari are running their exhaust driven diffusers.

Do we know about the Renault Merc and Ferrari F-ducts? I've lost track.

Kindly can anybody PM me any live streaming link....


Many Many Thanks
Rgrds
Zavi
domhnall
Should be an interesting day ahead, hopefully will somewhat compensate for the inevitable procession tomorrow
domhnall
Glock with problems already
F.M.
QUOTE (domhnall @ Jun 26 2010, 09:01) *
Should be an interesting day ahead, hopefully will somewhat compensate for the inevitable procession tomorrow

Only if the whole grid gets mixed up for some reason; red flags i.e.
RC127
Quite depressing comments from Hamshima san there - however these are racing drivers, if the front four (Red Bulls & Maccas) and maybe Alonso are all within six seconds of each other late into the race, I think their racer's instincts will take over and they will at least TRY to find a way to pass. Just cause the theoretical model points to a dull race, it doesn't necessarily follow that will result. I know Bahrain was bad, but I don't think a bad race tomorrow is a fait accompli, albeit a distinct possibliity...

Plus Alonso-Schumacher (Imola 2005) proved you don't need actual overtaking to generate drama, just the constant attacking/defending in such as situation (as with Mansell/Senna Monaco 92) can be entertaining/compelling television...
YellowHelmet
why was alonso not until now on track.
had he some problems?
nikolai
Webber is looking a bit faster than Vettel this weekend.More consistent on the long runs and may even be shading him over a lap.

Alonso is looking like the man to beat though.Would be happy for him if he can win his home race.
AlanWake
Kubica eek.gif
RC127
http://twitter.com/LucasdiGrassi

In an unsurprising move from a Virgin branded team, some bright spark has cottoned on to the possibility of getting some publicity by parodying Vettel's penchant for naming his chassis!

"Good morning. Sunny day in Valencia. Fat Veronica had a good sleep and is ready to go!" LOL! lol.gif
Jay
LOL @ DiGrassi calling his car Fat Veronica... I saw that tweet earlier and had to dig into the BBC live text for more info... smile.gif
HMV
God Almighty, the timings on F1.com are awful. Kubica and Webber have the exact same sector times yet apparently theres 0.150 between them. Would it be so hard to show more detailed times?
TURU
QUOTE (HMV @ Jun 26 2010, 09:50) *
God Almighty, the timings on F1.com are awful. Kubica and Webber have the exact same sector times yet apparently theres 0.150 between them. Would it be so hard to show more detailed times?


Yes, it pisses me off too ... mad.gif
goldenboy
QUOTE (HMV @ Jun 26 2010, 10:50) *
God Almighty, the timings on F1.com are awful. Kubica and Webber have the exact same sector times yet apparently theres 0.150 between them. Would it be so hard to show more detailed times?

Ive been wanting that for ages
Jay
Also...

Glock's car is called Virginia.... smile.gif smile.gif
domhnall
QUOTE (HMV @ Jun 26 2010, 10:50) *
God Almighty, the timings on F1.com are awful. Kubica and Webber have the exact same sector times yet apparently theres 0.150 between them. Would it be so hard to show more detailed times?


According to Bernie there's not enough demand yet for more detailed live timing.
King Six
Hopefully Kubica and Sutil can ruin all the top teams weekends, make things interesting. They're going well right now.... but it really doesn't help Petrov and Luizzi, moreso Luizzi
Lights
Nowadays, F1 has simply become too tight for one decimal. Two decimals would be awesome.
HMV
Yay for almost breaking the 1:38 mark.
weareracing
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Interesting top 10, with Kubica, Sutil, Barrichello &Liuzzi all featuring!
Qualifying, bring it on up.gif
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gaston_foix
Alonso, Webber, Vettel and Kubica for pole.
TURU
God, please doesn't let Red Bull take another pole, pls pls pls. Give the pole to Pole clap.gif

PS. Where to hell is Mercedes and McLaren !!??
gaston_foix
I'm sure Kubica and Alonso will challenge the RedBulls. It will be very interesting...
Mackey
Worrying Ferrari didn´t improve with softs. Hope they fix it for Qualy
korzeniow
What's with McLarens? The track was supposed to siut them. I don't want to rule them out but it's P9 and P10
eoin
QUOTE (TURU @ Jun 26 2010, 11:04) *
PS. Where to hell is Mercedes and McLaren !!??


Mercedes are on the 2nd row, in the hands of Sutil! lol.gif
thrash
Pole for Pole !! Go Kubica ;) I hope Petrov will do it better.

Great drive from Alonso and Force India.

Where is Mclaren?

I can't wait for quali..... ohwell.gif ohwell.gif ohwell.gif
TURU
I don't know, but Mercedes team reminds me of BMW somehow. I hope to be proved wrong because otherwise they can end like the guys from 'Munich' sooner or later.
KateLM
Looking at the pace of Kubica, Barrichello and the Force Indias, I'm not ruling out a shock Q2 exit. We've seen Button only make it to Q3 by the skin of his teeth a couple of times, so he might have problems.

Pole position fight could be a close one...personally my prediction is that we may see an end of the finger-waving drought.
Jay
QUOTE (KateLM @ Jun 26 2010, 11:19) *
Pole position fight could be a close one...personally my prediction is that we may see an end of the finger-waving drought.


Me too.

He looks really hooked up this weekend..

Maybe RedBull has put extra weight in mark Webber's car to advantage Seb wink.gif lolz.....
King Six
QUOTE (TURU @ Jun 26 2010, 11:19) *
I don't know, but Mercedes team reminds me of BMW somehow. I hope to be proved wrong because otherwise they can end like the guys from 'Munich' sooner or later.

This is what I'm thinking but I'm also gonna give them a full proper season. They bought out Brawn pretty late and probably didn't get to throw their entire HQ at this car which was most likely being developed by BGP sometime last season, now Mercedes have a proper lead time to make their own car for next season as they want it, they should be much better next season. This is me being optimistic for them, I wouldn't be surprised if they fall down just like BMW, Honda* and Toyota did.


*Well... they are Honda tongue.gif
Johnrambo
Here's hoping for some luck for Vettel for a change. up.gif
korzeniow
QUOTE (Jay @ Jun 26 2010, 12:22) *
Me too.

He looks really hooked up this weekend..

Maybe RedBull has put extra weight in mark Webber's car to advantage Seb ;) lolz.....


Don't worry he will blow it lol.gif
Tenmantaylor
Sectors http://www.formula1.com/results/season/201...ctor_times.html

Sutil fastest in the long, long middle sector. Comprised of the longest 2 straights and the twisty 2nd gear bridge and the other horrible 2nd/3rd gear complex section that splits the straights.

McLaren are losing half of their time in the final sector which is only a quarter of the lap time. This is the section with the only high speed corners on the track so we can assume they are struggling with downforce. McLaren are hardly dominating in the speedtrap either. The F Duct doesnt seem to be giving McLaren the advantage many thought.

Simon Says
QUOTE (TURU @ Jun 26 2010, 10:04) *
God, please doesn't let Red Bull take another pole, pls pls pls. Give the pole to Pole clap.gif

PS. Where to hell is Mercedes and McLaren !!??


Mclaren has no upgrades this race. And it's only practice. tongue.gif

TURU
QUOTE (Simon Says @ Jun 26 2010, 10:42) *
Mclaren has no upgrades this race. And it's only practice. tongue.gif


OK, it's understandable (but being beaten by Williams and FI is quite surprising), but where is Mercedes ?? They have "large" upgrade for this race and it's not visible at all.
Simon Says
QUOTE (TURU @ Jun 26 2010, 10:44) *
OK, it's understandable (but being beaten by Williams and FI is quite surprising), but where is Mercedes ?? They have "large" upgrade for this race and it's not visible at all.


If they are outside the top10 in qualifying, then I'd be worried. But I wouldn't read too much in these times personally.
Bloggsworth
Kovalainen only 0.6 behind the Sauber of De La Rosa.

Barrichello 6th - Not a lot wrong with the Cosworth then...
Simon Says
QUOTE (Bloggsworth @ Jun 26 2010, 10:52) *
Kovalainen only 0.6 behind the Sauber of De La Rosa.


1.6 seconds? tongue.gif
Mandzipop
Well that was different. I suspect some teams were running very low fuel and most of the top teams a bit more.
Bloggsworth
QUOTE (Simon Says @ Jun 26 2010, 11:53) *
1.6 seconds? tongue.gif


Sorry, I'm waiting for my new spectacles and my Sinclair calculator is playing up - I'll hop into my C5 and go down to the shops for new Leclanché cells...
Atreiu
QUOTE (undersquare @ Jun 26 2010, 04:53) *
Hamashima saying even the supersoft doesn't degrade here, and the concrete dust and general muck means no overtaking - whatever the shape of the track, it looks like they can't brake off line. Or even run off line if they can help it.

So Qualy will be all important. One tyre change and no passing.

FP3 on the other hand looks set to be quite interesting. More interesting than the race...


Is there any chance we'll see someone start on supersofts and try a long first stint instead of a short one?
korzeniow
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Jun 26 2010, 13:02) *
Is there any chance we'll see soneone start on supersofts and try a long first stint instead of a short one?


No, he would have to pit as soon as othesr because, those on fresh rubbers will be making much faster times and lapfrog him in pits.
Atreiu
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Jun 26 2010, 08:04) *
No, he would have to pit as soon as othesr because, those on fresh rubbers will be making much faster times and lapfrog him in pits.


Forgive me for being silly, but aren't the softs faster than the hard tyres?
Assuming that the degradation is minimal, could it be that the softs to maintain their speed advantage for longer and push teams into a longer first stint than we might expect?

I'm just guessing, I'd hate this to be Bahrain repeated.


hotstickyslick
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Jun 26 2010, 12:14) *
Forgive me for being silly, but aren't the softs faster than the hard tyres?
Assuming that the degradation is minimal, could it be that the softs to maintain their speed advantage for longer and push teams into a longer first stint than we might expect?

I'm just guessing, I'd hate this to be Bahrain repeated.

The softs are quicker but not as consistent. Seeing as how both tyres must be run it would make little sense to run the softs for so long when you have a more durable tyre that can take the weight of a heavily fueled car for much longer.
Atreiu
Oh damn, I better just get it done and expect another Bahrain. I might get surprised and hardly get disappointed... :/
Peter Perfect
Just flicked over to the qualifying program on the BBC...for gods sake Jake put the iPad down!
CaptainJackSparrow
QUOTE (Peter Perfect @ Jun 26 2010, 12:27) *
Just flicked over to the qualifying program on the BBC...for gods sake Jake put the iPad down!


I didn't even notice it! He's got a cover on it I see, still iPad is creeping into business, imagine it could be handy to a reporter.
undersquare
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Jun 26 2010, 12:02) *
Is there any chance we'll see someone start on supersofts and try a long first stint instead of a short one?


Some chance I'd guess. The SS has to be basically faster than the Medium, at some point a shiny new Medium will be faster presumably, but that might be quite late on by the sound of what Bridgestone are saying. The SS could stay fast for a long time.
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