Tombstone
Oct 1 2010, 17:55
Interesting snippet of information in this months issue. McLaren approached Barrichello before contacting Button for this year's drive.
Who'da thunk it.
SchumiBoy
Oct 1 2010, 17:58
QUOTE (Tombstone @ Oct 1 2010, 17:55)

Interesting snippet of information in this months issue. McLaren approached Barrichello before contacting Button for this year's drive.
Who'da thunk it.
Was he already commited to Williams ?
QUOTE (Tombstone @ Oct 1 2010, 18:55)

Interesting snippet of information in this months issue. McLaren approached Barrichello before contacting Button for this year's drive.
Who'da thunk it.
Not me.... but then again it was clear that RB was not going to be at Brawn/Merc long before there was any hint that JB would be on the market.
Ferrari2183
Oct 1 2010, 18:10

Interesting... Mclaren were looking for a lap dog for Hamilton.
Watkins74
Oct 1 2010, 18:16
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 19:10)


Interesting... Mclaren were looking for a lap dog for Hamilton.
Anybody instead of the dead dog Kovalainen.
Tombstone
Oct 1 2010, 18:16
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 19:10)


Interesting... Mclaren were looking for a lap dog for Hamilton.
That didn't take long to appear!
Tombstone
Oct 1 2010, 18:17
QUOTE (SchumiBoy @ Oct 1 2010, 18:58)

Was he already commited to Williams ?
I'll re-read, the full interview will be in a forthcoming issue.
QUOTE (Tombstone @ Oct 1 2010, 18:55)

Interesting snippet of information in this months issue. McLaren approached Barrichello before contacting Button for this year's drive.
Who'da thunk it.
No surprise, Rubens was available before Button.
Ferrari2183
Oct 1 2010, 18:29
QUOTE (Tombstone @ Oct 1 2010, 18:16)

That didn't take long to appear!
It had to come out. Mclaren pride themselves by having their drivers race each other and are prepared to lose championships because of it...
Now we hear the old guy with a career of worthless drives was considered as a team-mate for Hamilton. Lewis vs Rubens - Lap dog is an understatement - I'm being to kind.
highdownforce
Oct 1 2010, 19:14
He (Barrichello) was committed to Williams already.
There's a story that they have contacted Massa too.
se7en_24
Oct 1 2010, 19:18
I think there was a thread about this at the time, really old news.
hunnylander
Oct 1 2010, 19:33
It's old news, and last year it was discussed with different view, as Rubens was a top dog, did great races in the BGP. Remember his fights and wins against Lewis too (Valencia, Monza).
Rubens could do a 'Webber' in such a top car.
hunnylander
Oct 1 2010, 19:36
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 20:10)


Interesting... Mclaren were looking for a lap dog for Hamilton.
Rubens was able to push and beat Button. You have a short memory what reputation and respect Rubens had that time, he was approached by McLaren. He appeared clearly a much stronger driver, than Kovalainen then.
OwenC93
Oct 1 2010, 19:41
I'm sure McLaren approached most drivers. Since Button was world champion they would of waited a little longer before asking him I would of thought.
Hairpin
Oct 1 2010, 19:59
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 20:29)

It had to come out. Mclaren pride themselves by having their drivers race each other and are prepared to lose championships because of it...
Now we hear the old guy with a career of worthless drives was considered as a team-mate for Hamilton. Lewis vs Rubens - Lap dog is an understatement - I'm being to kind.
You don't like Rubens much, do you? Maybe they should have gone for Hulkenberg instead, the guy that many pointed out as the next big thing? If you cared to look a bit on Ruben's performance during his career you would maybe notice he is a very fine driver and among the very very best.
F1Johnny
Oct 1 2010, 20:59
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 11:29)

It had to come out. Mclaren pride themselves by having their drivers race each other and are prepared to lose championships because of it...
Now we hear the old guy with a career of worthless drives was considered as a team-mate for Hamilton. Lewis vs Rubens - Lap dog is an understatement - I'm being to kind.
"Career of worthless drives" ?? He has more wins and podiums (more than 2X) than Button, his former WDC teammate. You have no respect or love for the sport.
Tombstone
Oct 1 2010, 21:13
QUOTE (wiry @ Oct 1 2010, 19:28)

Oh, so
sorry, but I don't follow foreign websites.
Ferrari2183
Oct 1 2010, 22:21
QUOTE (Hairpin @ Oct 1 2010, 19:59)

You don't like Rubens much, do you? Maybe they should have gone for Hulkenberg instead, the guy that many pointed out as the next big thing? If you cared to look a bit on Ruben's performance during his career you would maybe notice he is a very fine driver and among the very very best.
Rubens among the very best... Are you joking? Michael outscored him 79 - 11 wins.
Ferrari2183
Oct 1 2010, 22:23
QUOTE (F1Johnny @ Oct 1 2010, 20:59)

"Career of worthless drives" ?? He has more wins and podiums (more than 2X) than Button, his former WDC teammate. You have no respect or love for the sport.
What has his drives earned him?
I vaguely remember something being said about this earlier this seaosn in the brazilian press.
McLaren's approach was more like "what will you do in 2010?" Instead of "let's sit down and discuss 2010".
As has been mentioned this is old news and I don't think Rubens was ever really in the frame for the seat.
With that said, given that things didn't work out with Kimi (were never likely to IMHO) I still wonder what would have happened had Button not become available. I always thought that Heidfeld would be a great choice and in many ways is similar to Button.
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 23:23)

What has his drives earned him?
Several million dollars
Bunchies
Oct 2 2010, 00:32
QUOTE (Haribo @ Oct 1 2010, 16:28)

Several million dollars
Just posting to say that you make delicious delicious gummies
SpaMaster
Oct 2 2010, 03:33
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 11:10)


Interesting... Mclaren were looking for a lap dog for Hamilton.
Ferrari don't do such things, do they?
F1Johnny
Oct 2 2010, 05:18
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 16:23)

What has his drives earned him?
11 wins, a formula 1 career that most race drivers the world over would love to have, people talking about him on bulletin boards and as pointed out earlier millions of dollars.
Ferrari2183
Oct 2 2010, 05:25
QUOTE (F1Johnny @ Oct 2 2010, 05:18)

11 wins, a formula 1 career that most race drivers the world over would love to have, people talking about him on bulletin boards and as pointed out earlier millions of dollars.
Yeah, and 9 of those wins as a number 2 (by choice) at Ferrari.
F1Johnny
Oct 2 2010, 05:31
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 23:25)

Yeah, and 9 of those wins as a number 2 (by choice) at Ferrari.
Makes the wins that more impressive then eh.
marcoferrari
Oct 2 2010, 07:03
Rubens is a very good driver and really underrated... There were only two drivers who outscored him in his long 18 years career... It was Michael Schumacher and Jenson Button, both world champions... On other hand Barri outscored grand prix winners Boutsen, Irvine, Herbert, talented drivers Brundle and Hulkeberg (so far) and a world champion Button (2008)... Not that bad, I think...
Tolyngee
Oct 2 2010, 07:50
QUOTE (marcoferrari @ Oct 2 2010, 08:03)

Rubens... driver who outscored him... Jenson Button...
On other hand Barri outscored Button ... Not that bad, I think...
Huh? Does not compute... You contradicted yourself within the same sentence!
marcoferrari
Oct 2 2010, 08:01
QUOTE (Tolyngee @ Oct 2 2010, 08:50)

Huh? Does not compute... You contradicted yourself within the same sentence!
Button outscored Barrichello 3 times, Barrichello outscored Button once...
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 2 2010, 08:21)

Rubens among the very best... Are you joking? Michael outscored him 79 - 11 wins.
Errrr....no, I think you mean
Michael, Jean Todt, The Ferrari Organisation, Contract Obligations--79
Rubens--11
Mclaren did not contact Button.
Button contacted Mclaren. Mclaren said they assumed he would stay at Brawn (Why wouldnt he?), but once it was certain Button would leave for Mclaren, a deal was signed with haste.
But this is old news. Im sure alot of teams approached Rubens last year. He proved he was as good as he ever was. His move to Williams was a logical move for him. Its a favourite team of his, and im sure he'll like to see out his career at Williams. The way its going he is bringing Williams to the fight.
King Six
Oct 2 2010, 12:19
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Oct 1 2010, 20:33)

Rubens could do a 'Webber' in such a top car.
Why didn't he do a 'Webber' in the F1-2000, F2001, F2002, F2003-GA, F2004, F2005 or the BGP 001?
I like Rubens, but it's a hell of alot of competitive cars he was in during his relatively unremarkable career...
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 18:29)

It had to come out. Mclaren pride themselves by having their drivers race each other and are prepared to lose championships because of it...
Now we hear the old guy with a career of worthless drives was considered as a team-mate for Hamilton. Lewis vs Rubens - Lap dog is an understatement - I'm being to kind.
Spoken like a true F1 fan.
Rubens was also clearly beating the biggest talent since Ayrton Senna at the time, Jan Magnussen. Although their are stories of favoratism at Stewart GP with Magnussen always having lesser equipment.
Tolyngee
Oct 2 2010, 14:10
QUOTE (Arn @ Oct 2 2010, 13:35)

Rubens was also clearly beating the biggest talent since Ayrton Senna at the time, Jan Magnussen. Although their are stories of favoratism at Stewart GP with Magnussen always having lesser equipment.
Please tell me that was a joke?
Jan was so uncommitted to the sport that he couldn't even stop smoking to save his career!
Physical fitness was not a priority to the man, which for F1 that attitude does not compute...
QUOTE (Tolyngee @ Oct 2 2010, 16:10)

Please tell me that was a joke?
Jan was so uncommitted to the sport that he couldn't even stop smoking to save his career!
Physical fitness was not a priority to the man, which for F1 that attitude does not compute...
What part of it do you think was a joke? The one that he was considered a great talent or the favoritism part?
JustinCider
Oct 2 2010, 16:14
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 1 2010, 19:10)


Interesting... Mclaren were looking for a lap dog for Hamilton.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87100Irony is great at times.
Tolyngee
Oct 2 2010, 17:01
QUOTE (Arn @ Oct 2 2010, 17:02)

What part of it do you think was a joke? The one that he was considered a great talent or the favoritism part?
A great talent. Any driver that smokes in F1 is obviously "lesser equipment" already himself...
QUOTE (Tolyngee @ Oct 2 2010, 19:01)

A great talent. Any driver that smokes in F1 is obviously "lesser equipment" already himself...
You have obviously forgotten how he was rated back then. I am not making up the "Greatest talent since Ayrton Senna" remarks. It was actually Jackie Stewart who said so. Magnussen had very impressive junior category achievements, winning a gokart world championship at a young age, Formula Ford Festival and British F3 championship at a time when it was the highest rated and beating Senna's record of most wins in a season with 14 wins in 18 races. But yes, something went wrong in F1 and he underachived compared to the expectations.
Tolyngee
Oct 2 2010, 17:36
QUOTE (Arn @ Oct 2 2010, 18:27)

You have obviously forgotten how he was rated back then. I am not making up the "Greatest talent since Ayrton Senna" remarks. It was actually Jackie Stewart who said so. Magnussen had very impressive junior category achievements, winning a gokart world championship at a young age, Formula Ford Festival and British F3 championship at a time when it was the highest rated and beating Senna's record of most wins in a season with 14 wins in 18 races. But yes, something went wrong in F1 and he underachived compared to the expectations.
Something like that is said about someone about every-other year.
HHF was better than MS. Now that's a lark!
Only driver I can think of that met expectations was Kimi. He was so raw and inexperienced teams actually tried to keep him out of F1.
What went wrong with Jan in F1 is no commitment to the sport. He was the only driver in the pitlane who smoked. Spend hours upon hours conditioning your body for the stresses of F1, then go and do the very worst thing you can do for your body?
Dumb. Your body doesn't stay young forever, and smoking will certainly age you.
QUOTE (Tolyngee @ Oct 2 2010, 19:36)

Something like that is said about someone about every-other year.
HHF was better than MS. Now that's a lark!
Only driver I can think of that met expectations was Kimi. He was so raw and inexperienced teams actually tried to keep him out of F1.
What went wrong with Jan in F1 is no commitment to the sport. He was the only driver in the pitlane who smoked. Spend hours upon hours conditioning your body for the stresses of F1, then go and do the very worst thing you can do for your body?
Dumb. Your body doesn't stay young forever, and smoking will certainly age you.
I love it when people, especially those who are not in the know, have so simple answers to complex issues.
QUOTE (Tolyngee @ Oct 2 2010, 19:01)

A great talent. Any driver that smokes in F1 is obviously "lesser equipment" already himself...
So - despite being "lesser equipment", he beat Senna's records in British Formula 3. That just makes his talent even greater, and thus ups Rubens even more. Well played! ;-)
Ross Stonefeld
Oct 7 2010, 09:56
An F3 race isn't exactly physically taxing.
QUOTE (wiry @ Oct 1 2010, 21:28)

Yup. It's old news.
cheapracer
Oct 7 2010, 10:28
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Oct 7 2010, 17:56)

An F3 race isn't exactly physically taxing.
Yes also not just that but F1 takes a F3's driver's best lap and requires it for 90% to 100% of the race - many so great at lower levels just can't cut it when required to perform at that level, physical but just as much a major concentration level jump.
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