Let's see do you want to be 8 points or 1 point from the WDC lead... which is best?

You decide.

This poll is.

Conversely you could say they're hedging their bets both ways. If Red Bull is 1-2 in Abu Dhabi then they do still have control over the situation.

Yes. Massively.

A bird (almost) in hand is better than 2 in the bush. It would be a lot easier to overhaul 1 point, than 8 or 15.

No, but pity all teams can't follow their lead. But, I wonder if the situation had being reveresed would Webber have allowed Vettel through?

Indeed. There is no doubt they are

One point behind all Mark had to do was finish in front of Alonso. Now they need both cars to come first & second and still probably move them around.

Ferrari cheated RedBull didn't.
Simple. The fans will remember.

Yea i supose thats how i will remember this season.

And everyone will feel very well about it when Alonso becomes WDC.

In the long term, Red Bull are worse off - as is, foremost, Webber. Perhaps it won't matter too much for Red Bull, if they remain a strong team and win titles in the future. But it isn't the same for Webber and I don't think it's any good saying "he didn't deserve it", because neither would Alonso have - and yet, he'd be the one with three titles.

Hopefully these discussions will be pointless after Abu Dhabi, but who knows?

I'll get back to you after Abu Dhabi, but so far signs point to yes.

The wider public, and the history books, will remember the champion. Not how it was won.

Ferrari let Alonso though = outrage.

Red Bull not letting Webber through = outrage.

Herp derp?

I think a more appropriate poll: How many of you are idiots? We had endless bitching about the Ferrari team orders, now you are hating on RBR for not doing the same?

Hilarious. Idiots.

Alonso is the new champion?

The Championship is wide open...

You could also wonder, would Webber have been told to let him through?

YES!!

They have just handed the WDC to Alonso..

IDIOTS!!

Redbull cheated Mark over a season make no mistake. They have rocks in their head that team.
I will remember Redbull being stupid and biased, fairness in that team is rubbish.

No.

LdM is the stupid and unsporting one.

Depending on what happens in Abu Dabi, it could either be genius or stupid. If there is any justice, Webber would win the WDC and RB having taken the constructors come off brilliantly as they didnt have to resort to Ferrari tactics. But we'll see.

They just want Vettel to win at all costs. They will no doubt "cheat" for Webber if the WDC depends on it during the last race. So they have neither intelligence nor integrity.

No. But people that call Ferrari cheaters while ask RBR to do the same thing (swapping positions) are though.

You'll find that the outrage was mostly from those who are naive enough to believe that such things don't even happen in secrecy.

Yes, I think RBR made a stupid decision.

Moronic.

Simple.

+1

They only display the integrity when we talk about Vettel.

So in reality, they don't have it at all.

they might suffer from a bit of overconfidence but they are doing what the fans want (or should want). Im sure if they are in a situation where its all or nothing in abu dhabi they will apply team orders

People see a difference between doing it at the end of the season and in the middle of the season, they always have. Same when it was MS. People who have a bit of sportmanship in them think this way, they hate seeing a team mate used as a patsey before it is needed.

If there was a championship for bias and politics Red Bull would win the championship.
Calling Ferrari unsporting in comparison

It's going to be very classy if they still win it next week, and really foolish if they still lose it.

Remember, it will only cost them $100,000!

Red Bull aren't the ones doing it mid-season when BOTH drivers are in contention.. can you see?

If Vettel won Brazil, and wins Abu Dhabi.. and Alonso fails to finish Abu Dhabi or finishes 5th or lower (I think it is), Vettel is champion.

To deny him that chance would be far worse than what Ferrari did to Massa @ Germany.

Not at all. They are doing what every team should do: waiting until maths eliminate one of your drivers. A 1-2 is not unlikely so they are in control.

1-2 doesn't make any of their drivers a champion.

No, they're being very smart. If they have the fastest car for Abu Dhabi, they can easily score a 1-2. And if they don't have the advantage, then... what chance does Webber have against Alonso anyway?

Turkey

Horner confirms on the BBC that if the order is the same next week they will switch them.

Remember what happened in 94 and 97.

i was just checking and i think alonso got it wrong, if vettel wins he need a 4th not 5th as the AQUA favours vettel, by more 4ths. what if mclaren are stronger in abu dhabi? anything can happen.

Yes, but those situations were radically different.

But you do have a point.

Its the same thing though: swapping positions.



I thought swapping positions was ugly and cheating. This is the same action in the beggining or in the last race of the season. But of course you can drink from naivety/hypocrisy if you want.

And Massa wasn't almost tied in points with Fernando when Vettel and Webbo were.

Because it is plain common sence. However massive respect for them this weekend for not wanting to artificaly take Vettel out of the championship.

no sorry thats the wrong question as its clear that if the situation had been reversed red bulls*** would have ordered webber over

You people can't be that naive. Why would RBR do something that could harm Vettle's loved arse?

Poor Mark

but you ignore as always the real facts
Massa was still mathematically in with the chance to win just like Vettel.
But why would a ferrari fan ever want to be truthfull or fair their team sets the low standards they all aspire too

I fail to see why someone's a Ferrari fan just because they're being realistic and can see the fact that Massa hasn't been at his best this season. It was obvious since the very beginning.

Come one, it's the same naivety all over again. We all know how prone to mistakes Massa has been. Yes, Alonso too, but not at the same level.

So even if both Alonso or Massa had chances to get the championship, knowing what Massa has done during most of the season and that RBR is usually the best car by a big marging, Ferrari did what they should. And seeing that Massa kept doing mistakes after Germany (stupid crashes, etc) makes Ferrari's decision as fair as if they had done it in the last race.

Yes. Red Bull may be celebrating but the happiest person tonight will be Fernando Alonso.

then lets see what happens in abu dhabi before drawing any conclusions. it seems that vettel is also more reliable in terms of speed than MW is. maybe RBR is correct in keeping both drivers motivated to win the WDC