Apparently Jenson did 26 overtakes in Canada.

But hardly any of them were shown on the TV coverage.

Any chance that people captured anything on video? I'd be grateful if you could post your video online, so the rest of us can see what was happening.

Holefully the race edit will be Jensons onboard for last 30 laps, just slightly speeded up beteeen overtakes.

the only way jenson's onboard of that race could be any better is if they left the onboard cam running in his hotel room that night

Don't think they were that special. Most of the overtakes were on cars that couldn't really defend themselves.

Plus his passes on Vettel and Webber were really not overtakes, just mistakes from Webber trying to overtake schumacher and Vettel going on to the wet line! All in all nothing special a from Button!

I'd like to see them as well, one of the greatest performances for a while and hardly any coverage of it.

A pass is a friggin' pass...please!

Yes 26 overtakes in one race is nothing special. Just sth we see in every race.

yeah, mistakes made trying to stay in front of button....
sometimes man, you wonder if folks read what they write before they post it...

Webber maybe, as I remember he made a mistake trying to pass Schumi, but the Vettel pass was great. Yes, Vettel made a mistake, but he made it because Button "forced" him to. Classic.

Nobody said they were, but 26 in a race is special. Don't see the point of your post tbh.

Oh really? That's quite something from Jenson.

hrt,virgin,lotus etc shouldnt count thats probably half of them gone

The funny thing about F1 in 2011 is that it exposes the race directors since there is actually exciting stuff for them to show us now.

From 2007 to 2010, they probably became complacent, especially last year. Maybe they just fell asleep and got a computerised bot to do it for them. This season has reminded me of 2005/2006 where I used to care more about enjoying the races then who won or lost. Regardless of what happened there was excitement and climaxes etc. Like in 2005 when Kimi's tyre busted with a few laps to go. Or when he overtook Fisi on the last lap in Suzuka. Proper pass, not a mistake pass like Vettel. Imola 2005 was exciting even though no one passed anyone.

And this season includes overtaking and more unpredicatable strategies due to the tyre x factor.

"Nothing special from Button"

I was without the internet for a few days but I laughed after the race finish because I looked foward to two types of crazy posts on this msg board. The "nothin special mate" crowd, and the "OMG BEST WIN EVA" comments.

I fairly certain Jenson took the entire grid in Montreal, that is very impressive by itself.

The point of my post is to lower the expectations of the TS, who's obviously interested in footage of Button's overtakes that the director didn't show. I'm only pointing out that most of the overtakes we didn't see were on much slower cars, and the ones we did see weren't that special anyway, like on the Red Bull's or Schumacher.

I don't see the point of your post claiming that 26 overtakes in a race is special, as it's irrelevant to this thread.

Read the OP, people want to see them because there were 26 of them that is what's special about it Why the need to piss on the parade?

There gotta be something really wrong... ehm ye..

But anyways be less bitter.

The pass on Webber was a definite overtake.

As a result of Webber's mistake, he was unable to get the power down on the wet part of the track, that's how Jenson got the momentum. But then Jenson had to swerve around Webber, and he then had to go onto the wet part of the track, and complete the overtake by continuing to accelerate on the wet track. And not losing control like Massa did in a similar situation.

would be cool if there was a highlight reel of each drivers onboard cam (or those that have onboard cams)

Yeah it's incredible how much FOM waste. There could be all sorts of alternative edits too.

I see that Button did 9 overtakes in the top 10:

Di Resta for 9th
Petrov for 7th (which he immediately lost)

(before 1st SC)

de la Rosa for 9th

(before 2nd SC)

Alguersari for 10th
Heidfeld for 5th
Kobayashi for 4th

(before 3rd SC)

Webber for 3rd (Webber's mistake)
Schumacher for 2nd (DRS, no combat)
Vettel for 1st (Vettel's mistake)

Quite.

Perhaps this explains why Heidfeld got too impatient and rammed Koby.

Looks like Jenson overtook both of them while Heidfeld was thinking about it.

This is exactly what Adam Parr from Williams said. Absolutely correct too, especially with the new tech savvy generation they can get heaps more mileage out of each race in terms of interactive content etc. They would also get an increased number of fans, and importantly huge advertising revenue.

I bet there's millions of F1 fans who would quite happily pay for content that would enhance the viewing of the Grand Prix. I'd pay to see the complete onboard of Button's rise up the field in those 30-odd laps, and I guess some of the fans of the smaller teams would pay to have more of their teams coverage to watch.

Yeah.. Cos, like talking about the 26 overtakes in a thread called "Jenson's overtakes in Canada" is just stupid isn't it?! Where are the mods

People go nuts over the video of Senna over taking a handful of cars at Donnington in the rain.

Yet we're never going to get to see any of the footage Jenson's passes from Canada...

Why doesn't FOM put up all the videos up on a site where people can pay to see all the footage that was recorded? They'd make a fortune.

And why does it take them over a week to upload the race edits?

Give the man some credit. It's being regarded as one of the best wins of all time comming from last with 29 laps to go in those conditions.
A better win than anyone on the current grid other than Schumacher has on their CV.
Jenson has won 3 and punted out of 2nd in the other of the last 4 mixed condition races. He's clearly earned the right to the title of being THE BEST driver in those conditions. No coincidence that his first win for Honda came in such conditions also. Conditions regarded as the most challenging where the driver makes a difference.

Good morning. I apologize. Didn't mean to piss on this parade. Also, take it easy.

I would also be interested to see his overtakes on Heidfeld for 5th and Kobayashi for 4th. It's quite likely that Jenson used the double DRS zone to overtake them on the 2 straights in a row. Would be the only example of the double DRS zone actually helping for the spectacle, and then ofcourse the directors missed it completely!

As for the rest, we've already seen the other overtakes and it was nothing special, or it was so far back that it's normal that it doesn't get broadcasted because overtaking a Virgin in a McLaren with DRS just isn't that noteworthy.

Maybe true, but I'd pay good money to see Jenson's race onboard.

For the Chinese race we saw most of Webbers overtakes.

For Canada we saw hardly anything that Jenson did in the second half of the race.

Indeed. I for one would love to see more of the overtaking. For the casual fan it must have been a huge surprise to see Button 4th after having been last. It really is a shame that we could catch so few glimpses of a great ride.

They'll make nothing but a loss. There is no market for this kind of footage, you don't see it in any other sport for a reason.

Can't wait for the official race edit to be released. They always contain some exciting unseen footage and unheard pit radios. I'm sure they'll cut together some of Jenson's overtakes and even add a spiffy soundtrack for us

Yeah his overtakes in the DRS zones were incredible right?

They probably wouldn't if all he had to do was press a little button and sail past them with no trouble at all.

I downloaded and watched the race yesterday morning (I went to bed during the rain stop last week as it was 4am here and it did not look like there would be a race) precisely because I wanted to see this "miracle drive" from Button. I was expecting to see a man on fire, cutting through the field like a demon.

What I did see was very little. Even though he was at the back with 30 laps tp go, and despite most of his progress being off camera, I got the distinct impression the majority of the places he made up were due to the cars in front going into the pits and his awesome pace just carrying him quickly to the rear of the next bunch of mid-field runners.

There was no Alonso to overtake, because he has already taken him out of the race, there was no Lewis for the same reason. There was no Rosberg because he took himself out. Webber gifted him 3rd place with a mistake.

The pass on Schumacher was nicely done, but with DRS it was inevitable and did not appear to take much skill ( Webber did the same a lap later). Vettel was another gift... BUT to Button's credit I actually think without Vettel's mistake there was a real chance Button could have nailed him crossing the line with DRS anyway...we will never know, but he was close enough and was interesting to see that Maasai achieved something similar right on the line.

All this does not take anything anyway from Button at all. He drove a brilliant race and fully deserved the win. He was quick when he needed to be and while he got very lucky in places he made his own luck and took his chances well. I am very happy for his win.

But let's not get carried away here, it was no Sennaesque performance, don't underestimate how ridiculously easy the DRS make it to carve your way through the field in today's F1, especially when the two best drivers in the field are sitting in the pits watching it on TV.

But you can say that about anyone. That is a regulation issue and has been discussed at great length elsewhere on this forum, i for one have been consistently critical of the present regs. Many people defend these regulations and say this is the best racing ever and then when they want to piss on the parade and criticise the driver and say well it's only a DRS overtake so it doesn't count!

Yes - because they're many times more impressive that Button's passes in Montreal. And he didn't take anybody out in the process.

Button's drive was good enough for the win, but not in the same class as Senna's - despite Whitmarsh rather disappointingly trying to re-write history (to give Whitmarsh the benefit of the doubt he was probably caught up in the moment. I doubt in the cold light of day he'd maintain it was one of the greatest F1 drives ever, it patently wasn't).

An awful lot of people (a lot of them in F1) would disagree with you. Driving in those conditions is hard enough, as most of the grid showed, without overtaking as well.

I think you need some sugar with that lemon

those conditions were hard?
no offense, when did you start watching F1?

That's exactly what happened according to my live timing app. Two really very shit overtakes in the two DRS zones, apparently. Shortly afterwards Heidfeld tried an even shitter overtake and broke his car, proving how easy it is.

Studying the lap charts I came up to this lap-by-lap description how Button drove from last to first. I did the statistics mainly just out of curiosity to myself but realized that others could be interested of this as well.

For each lap there is Button's laptime, gap to front (Vettel) and Buttons position.

For each overtaken driver I have included his next laps laptime to give some kind of comparison of the pace difference to Button. (I took the next lap because the lap the driver was overtaken the laptime could be hampered by Buttons overtake)



Lap 40 1:31.635 +12.132 21.

Still behind safety car, Button is chasing the pack which is lapping ~30s slower.

Lap 41 1:35.059 +16.344 20.

Restart after the safety car, Button is still 2.4s behind Liuzzi (1.37.359) on the restart but manages to still catch & overtake him during this lap.

Lap 42 1:33.158 +19.191 18.

Button overtakes Karthikeyan (1.36.335) and Trulli (1.35.339).

Lap 43 1:31.721 +21.038 15.

Overtakes Glock (1.35.335) and D'Ambrosio (1.35.992) on track and Di Resta in the pits.

Lap 44 1:29.948 +21.354 14.

Overtakes de la Rosa (1.33.331).

Lap 45 1:29.475 +21.309 12.

Overtakes Buemi (1.31.236) on track and Sutil in the pits.

Lap 46 1:29.070 +21.531 12.

Closes gap to Alguersuari from 1.3s to 0.4s.

Lap 47 1:29.972 +23.398 12.

Still behind Alguersuari, gap 0.9s.

Lap 48 1:30.182 +25.565 12.

Alguersuari passes Maldonado in front of Button, gap to Maldonado 0.3s.

Lap 49 1:29.205 +27.659 10.

Passes Maldonado (1.28.961) and Alguersuari (1.28.322).

Lap 50 1:27.245 +27.893 8.

Webber and Barrichello pit and rejoin behind Button.

Lap 51 1:43.330 +44.792 10.

Button pits and drops behind Webber and de la Rosa.

Lap 52 1:30.161 +47.599 9.

De la Rosa pits, Button passes him.

Lap 53 1:22.759 +28.645 7.

Rosberg and Massa pit, Button passes them. Vettel also pits in the front.

Lap 54 1:23.911 +19.691 5.

Overtakes Heidfeld (1.25.135).

Lap 55 1:20.513 +15.413 4.

After overtaking Kobayashi (1.25.111) Button has finally some clear air, 6.4s to Webber.

Lap 56 1:20.221 +13.315 4.

Closes the gap to 2.1 so he's 4.2s faster than Webber and 2.1s faster than Vettel.

Lap 57 1:39.809 +17.026 4.

Safety car because of Heidfelds front wing.

Lap 58 1:46.560 +9.633 4.

Behind safety car.

Lap 59 2:00.262 +3.790 4.

Behind safety car.

Lap 60 2:00.304 +3.451 4.

Behind safety car.

Lap 61 1:20.747 +3.046 4.

Restart after safety car, gap to front dropped from 13.3s to 3s, however with 2s/lap to Vettel Button could have gained this anyway if Vettel wouldn't have responded.

Lap 62 1:21.348 +3.944 4.

Behind Webber, gap 0.4s.

Lap 63 1:20.369 +4.006 4.

Behind Webber, gap 0.1s.

Lap 64 1:21.441 +4.650 3.

Overtakes Webber (1.19.572), gap to Schumacher 0.8s.

Lap 65 1:18.866 +3.168 2.

Overtakes Schumacher (1.19.885), Vettel is doing 1.20.347.

Lap 66 1:17.967 +1.662 2.

Closes the gap to Vettel by 1.5s, Vettel does 1.19.474.

Lap 67 1:17.509 +1.334 2.

Vettel is now very aware of the threat and does 1.17.837, the gap closes just by 0.3s.

Lap 68 1:17.218 +1.172 2.

Other 0.2 down with the gap, Vettel 1.17.380.

Lap 69 1:16.956 +0.911 2.

Button uses DRS and drives the fastest lap of the race, Vettel does 1.17.217 which is the fastest non-DRS aided lap in the race. Gap closes by 0.26s

Lap 70 1:18.238 +0.000 1.

Vettel does his famous mistake and button drives to victory.


Some points:

- Button was very near of being lapped when limping to pits after the Alonso crash, he was 1.40 behind Vettel then (safety car was lapping 2.00). If Vettel wouldn't have pitted, it'd have been close. However, Vettel got a free pit stop there..

- Button was never really far from Vettel even if he was last, taking in to account different pit stop timing he was only 27.9 behind before his pit stop for slicks.

- Button gained from being from 27.9 to 19.7 behind Vettel by doing the pit stop for slicks 2 laps earlier.

- How did Red Bull miss that Button was really flying after changing to slicks (lap 56), they should have identified from there that he's a threat.

- Once Red Bull informed Vettel that he's in danger, Button was only catching around 0.3s per lap (opposed to 2s before). Had they told that even a lap earlier to Vettel, they would have won the race.
- Button and Vettel were almost 2s faster in the end. No-one else went even under 1.19.

Thanks for the recap, good points as well.

Red Bull really screwed themselves indeed. Vettel was hardly if at all slower than Jenson. Had they reacted 1 lap sooner I doubt Jenson would've been been within 2 seconds at the finish. The last few laps the gap was very slowly closing and in the end Jenson only became a threat to Vettel because of DRS. The Red Bull pitwall panicking over the radio probably made Vettel overdrive it the last lap, he really looked ragged and then obviously made the mistake.

Not sure what your intentions are here mate.

Jenson has been the star of the show for the last two grands prix.

He may have won in Monaco as well.

The Autosport front cover says it best: BRILLIANT BUTTON

In 2009 Jenson Button won the Monaco weekend with pole and the race.

Ross Brawn said the race was as good as anything he had seen with Schumacher.
Rubens Barrichello said he just did not understand where Jenson found the extra speed for the pole time.

Why is this relevant?
Because the legend of Senna has become greater than the reality and no matter what any other driver does, it will never be comensurate.

This sort of victory by Button is not unusual. His drive to win the 2010 Australian Grand Prix was just absolutely superb and complimented sso by Sir Jackie Stewart. And then the decision was Jenson's as well.

The current McLaren driver line-up is exactly what Martin Whitmarsh gave as his reason for signing Jenson.

At the time he said that Hamilton and Jenson played to each others weaknesses. McLaren would have lost races if they did not have this pairing.

Well done Whitmarsh. In my view a vastly better manager than Ron Dennis and McLaren is the better for it. I reckon if Whitmarsh had been managing McLaren in 2007 Alonso would not be at Ferrari today.