I have a genuine question bourne out of curiosity that I would like to present to the Lewis fans...

Considering Mclaren's pace at different tracks, how many races do you think that Hamilton should have won this year?

I personally feel he should have won atleast 5.

1) China
2) Germany
3) Canada
4) Hungary
5) Spa

Also I feel that one can argue that he should have won in
1) Monaco
2) Spain

Could he have won 7 races this year? What do you guys think? Just wanted to know your opinion...

Wanted to start a thread on this topic, but realised it could turn out to be a very controversial one, so decided to present my case to you guys...

Please, please, please dont bash me guys, coz this is just my opinion and the only reason I am posting it here is to know the opinion of you guys.

I'm not sure about Spa, the Red Bull was very, very good there. Monaco likewise, really hard to say without him having a clear qualifying lap to see how quick he would have been. If he'd beaten Vettel for pole then sure he would have won but that would be a tall order.

Could have won Spain, that was nip and tuck, was unfortunate not to win in Hungary, would've won in Canada without Button's vision issues.

thanks mate...

The reason I said spa was because I assumed that if Jenson could have finished only 9 seconds behind Vettel after dropping to 19th at one point, then Hamilton (given the superior race pace that he has displayed in relation to Jenson under normal cicumstances) should have atleast been breathing down Vettel's neck.

Monaco though is very very debatable. Thats why I said one can only argue that he should have won it.

Thanks again.

I think monaco quali was unfortunate, not sure the car was quicker than the rb but regardless it wasn't a race thrown away by a bad drive.
Spain vettel had track position and was too quick in the corners for lewis to get close with drs on the straight, i thought lewis had a great race, could have won not should.
Canada - i think it's hard to argue you should win when the car doesn't quali higher than 5th but clearly an opportunity to win that he threw away.
Hungary - i don't think he would have won without the spin/inters decision because he was on the wrong tyres...possibly argue he was on the wrong tyres because of tyre degradation.
Spa - possibly could have won if vettel didn't get a free pit stop and considering alonso struggling on hard tyre.
Mclaren and hammy clearly could have won more races, it's not just down to him though, macca have to get everything right and it depends what the others do to, china being an example.

Interesting question, should he have won china and germany?

thanks.

China : no, that was a race he shouldnt have won. amazing drive loved the way he came through the pack like a mad bull.

Nurb: probably a race he should have won. A touch and go situation between him and Alonso, I guess.

The only race that I disagree with you is Spain, and believe Lewis could have won at least 6 races, so far ths season.

Well he's won 2 and i feel he could also have won Monaco, Canada and Spa so i would say 5

Whether it is 5, 6 or 7 (different poster's opinions), surely that would have put him in proper WDC contention? This is why driving sensibly matters.

Ah, but if Hamilton hadn't brought out the safety car Jenson wouldn't have been 9 seconds behind ; he'd have been a long long way back.

Canada- don't think we saw enough of him in that race to say he should have won. Hungary- he lost that one fair and square. Spa- possible, definitley on for second but more of a could have won rather than a should have. Monaco he was caught out by Perez's crash, so no chance from where he started from (probably a should have won, had quali ran smoothly). Spain a possible too- but would only have won that with a wild lunge (which I suppose he will be criticised for not doing!). The Red Bull quali advanatge was key for that race.

Well, simple maths says it would have brought him closer to Vettel!

I'm a big Lewis fan . But these cock ups are getting beyond a joke . He needs to Carm the f**k down . Kills me watching snakey Jenson finish in front of him .

The problem is,you can't be a "racer" with this safe mentality.

I like Hamilton the way he is,but championships is about collecting points,he could be better with a bigger safe margin.

You can't win every time,i know this is mediocre,and Hamilton is not mediocre but this is life.

The desire to win must be there,but you can't get frustated.

I hope things get better.

Obviously. The point is how much difference it would have made.

What the blazes does that mean? Is winning the race not the point of being a "racer". If not, what is?

Well you call it 'sensible driving' but perhaps his moves on jenson in china and alonso in germany could have looked rather 'unsensible' if the other driver had reacted differently and there was a different outcome...

Although i completely agree in that monaco was unfortunate in quali but he should have driven differently to maximise the points available, canada the race was there for him to have a great one but he was far too ambitious twice and spa was a lapse.

thanks for your opinion guys

The differing views perhaps show how hard it is to come to a definitive conclusion regarding this issue.

But one thing for sure is that Lewis Hamilton is an amazing talent, and a season like this can only make him stronger if he puts his time and energy to analyse where he went wrong and address those issues appropriately.

Hope to see him get back to the amazing level of consistency he showed in his rookie year.

Well Monaco wasnt Lewis's fault

This topic has been split from the lewis hamilton thread because it was going off topic and becvause it deserved a wider audience.

If any member has an issue with the 'number of Lewis threads' or have anything else they'd like to say about how the forum is moderated, take it up with me via PM. It is not a discussion for this thread.

sure you can, look at alonso.

and there is a difference between clean racer and dirty racer.

a clean racer always has a needed amount of safety and ethical mentality
a dirty racer not.


Lewis has to decide what kind of racer he wants to be?

Don't like these kind of threads.

No point in re writing F1 history - there are so many "what ifs" that you could come to all sorts of conclusions.

Could Schumacher have won the 96 WDC if he had a reliable car?
- Topic Starter : GerhardBerger

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...l=schumacher+96

lewis is one of the fairest drivers outhere, certainly more so than the likes of scumacher, massa, vettel and imo rosberg who was pretty dangerous this year at china

I think some people are confusing the words "should have" and "could have".

AAJMHO

NONE!

He doesn't deserve to be in F1 and win races!

If there's any relevance to this post and this thread I'd love to hear what it is . . . .

We can only definitively say that he could have won Spain if track characteristics or DRS was a bit more generous ...

Others is just speculation ... If we go down that route - then every top driver could ve won all the races ..

I fail to understand the logic of this thread, why anyone could think that Lewis should have won at.... for example, SPA, he got 0 points because his own wrongdoing, ok, ok, if you love Lewis a lot, you can say it was only 50% his fault, or is this wishful thinking because Button did so well.


Lewis deserves one win so far, and that's what he have.

Deserve or not - He has more

If we go with "could of won", based on a)contending for win for most of the race, or key phases, b) team mate performance c) some other justifible reason.

i think lewis could of won in aus, china, barca, monaco, canada, germany, hungary, spa

ofcourse you need good *alot* of fortune todo that, and seb's getthing most of that this year

My mistake, he won 2 races so far, but my point is still valid

actually not, thats why he is almost every race by the stewards and either gets a reprimand or sometimes also a penalty.

critical hit!

going for a move is far from dirty, how about alonsos brake test on lewis in brazil 07

not per se.
it always depends.
going for a move and letting enough space for everybody is clean,
going for a move and not letting enough space for everybody or rather crashing into others instead of staying behind is dirty.

alonso never did that.
hamilton just as so often outbraked himself in that corner: we' seen this two times 2007, and also e.g. last year in the race, where he was under pressure by alonso.

I agree, nevertheless at the end, you can't change the past so there is not much of a difference...

I mean you could say the same for a lot of drivers. These things happen but I wouldn't think that he lost it unless he retired from a certain lead.

In my opinion, Vettel should have won China and Canada. Lewis should have won Spain, Monaco and Hungary. I'n not quite sure about Spa. I'll give it to Vettel.

Lewis Hamilton should have won two races - China and Germany.

Woulda coulda shoulda - fact is he deserved to win the two he has this season.

All the rest - he was the victim of luck/circumstance/whatever - same as every other driver out there - its called racing.

How can your point be valid if you cant get your facts straight in the first place ? It's like adding 2+2 and getting five but then claiming you can't remember one of the numbers you added, so please can you be excused.

Irrespective of that, Hamilton should have, and has won two races. The one's he deserved to.

If's, but's and what if scenario's only count in an alternate reality. That's the one where I'm a multi billionaire playboy.

Unfortunately not, for me, Hamilton and his fans !

He certainly could have won all of those, using the word "should" is a bit strong but the car had the pace to win those. Would have made for an interesting end to the season if he had won them. 2011 has not been his best season.

What I said abut spa is still valid, no mattter if I counted wrong his victories, because the number of wins is irrelevant to my opinion on people thinking that Lewis should have won in Spa, take a break dude

I'm sorry, but I just cannot subscribe to the "could / would / what if ?" scenario. Life and circumstance doesn't work like that.

Therefore I believe that every driver who has won a grand prix deserved that win on their record*.


* with the exception of Spa 2008, of course.

As a Seb fan, my only regret this season is that we havent been priviledged enough to see Hamilton and Vettel go head to head in what probably could have been a titanic battle.

But both have age on their hands, so hopefully we will get to see the best of Vettel pitted against the best of Hamilton for years to come.

Agreed, Hamilton is not at his best right now and Vettel is just driving perfectly, you can't fault him. I hope next season Mclaren and Red Bull are evenly matched and we can see an epic Hamilton vs Vettel title fight, even better if Alonso is in the mix too!

couldnt agree more.

But wouldnt it be even better if the 'Schum' finally finds his 'mark' too

Obviously considering "mistakes" Lewis did much more than Alonso, Webber or Button, and if he´s 4th on the WDC is just because of his fault.

After that I think he shouldn´t won at China and he did it. A lot of people said RB missed the strategy with Seb, true, but he did an amazing race an he won by own merit.

At Monaco he made mistakes (qualifying and race), but looking Seb´s performance I think no driver on earth would beat him.

At Canadá he made two mistakes, one against Webber and one against Button (imo not so clear, but...), whatever was a crazy race and who knows.

At Hungary, as at Monaco, he made another two mistakes (qualy. and race) and I think he should won.

At Spa he also made another mistake, but I have the feeling Button had much more pace than him (as in Silverstone) and Vettel did a perfect performance.

Best quote I have EVER read!

Coral can eat her heart out, that is awesome!!!

The shear arrogance of that quote alone is just amazing.

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