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rolando
Ricardo Rodriguez the last great mexican promise... a genius or a matador????

Check this article I guess you can find it interesting, it is included in the Sports Car International Magazine in the March issue of 1998.


A Works F1 Jockey at age 19, Ricardo Rodriguez’s track exploits were brilliant, brash and all too brief. But what brought about his untimely end is a question

El chamaco
If it hadn’t been for all the liquor, the whole mournful and fraudulent legend of Ricardo Rodriguez might be different. Or, to put it the longer and more complicated way, all that stuff about “El chamaco”, the kid, one of the fastest race drivers in history, being nothing but a little mexican spoiled brat rich with a plankfoot and righteous cojones who was destroyed 35 years ago because he was pushed too hard by his twisted father –all of that sick junk might have been prevented from circulating if only Gus Vignolle, the whiskey journalist, hadn’t gone and gotten smashed of his senses back on 1 November, 1962.


The great and fearless publisher and editor of Motoracing newspaper liked to drink. And the apocalyptic winter of 1962 was one wonderful season for drinking. First there'd been October's Cuban Missile Crisis: Civilization for a week teetering on the edge of nuclear anni- bilation. But then on 1 November, Vignolle got an even stronger excuse for tipping over into the sauce when the news exploded inside Motoracings tiny office in Los Angeles that the preternatural Ricardo, Formula One racing's first baby star, had just killed himself while practicing on the Grand Prix Autodrome in Mexico City.

Getting bombed and staying bombed was Vignolle's best defense against the same rotten sense of grief that everybody else was feeling, but Gus might also have been boozing out of guilt. For during a trip to Mexico back in 1957, he had been the first gringo scribbler to observe and divine the mysterious overtones shrouding Rodriguez, a ninth-grade schoolboy of 15 just up from bicycles and motorbikes. "He can't miss as a world champion!" Vignolle had roared, almost defying anybody to challenge his opinion. And for the following four racing seasons, Vignolle's breathless reports on Ricardo's prodigal skills at the wheelhouse of hurtling Porsches and Ferraris, plus Motoracings exclamation marks, had gone a long way toward making El Chamaco a celebrity around the globe. And also now very dead at 20.


Post-mortem details of Ricardo's wreck were appalling. Death was "attributed officially" to "too much speed in an unfamiliar car," said car being a Lotus-Ford, blue with white trim in Rob Walker Grand Prix livery. "The driver," a report said, "lost control on the treacherously banked last corner not far from the start-finish line, and the machine struck the rail, flipping several times and bursting into flarnes." Ricardo's purported last words: "Please don't let me die."

Bad as all this already was, it was followed by the grisly symbolism of Ricardo's burial occurring on 2 November, "Dia de los Muertos," Mexico's tradicional day of the dead, and marked by the President of the Republic himself walking in Ricardo's funeral and afterward the entire country dissolving into an agony of prolonged mourning.
lt was too much, it was melancholy and so suffocating that not even firewater helped. The Rodriguez obit published in Motoracing was one of the few really awful and sentimental things Gus ever wrote.



But -if you'll bear with me- here's where the story gathers steam. Vignolle apparently intended to remain juiced forever, because by the middle of November he was still on his hard drunk. Instead, something forced him out of his liquid seclusion and brought him back to the outside world.

Of all unlikely things, it was the press introduction of the Austin 850 Mini-Cooper, the famous box-shaped little bullet with transversely-mounted four-banger hot rod mill and tricked-out Cooper competition suspension. November marked the debut of their 850 deluxe models, so the importers BMC/Hambro were in Los Angeles having their flacks promote the bejesus out of them.

Accordingly, Vignolle and several dozen other distinguished elements of LA’s motoring hacks got invitations to "Operation 850-Plus," a monster two-day press party which was to commence with a charter flight north to the Casa Munras resort on the soothing Big Sur coast. An evening of wining and dining and schmoozing was to be followed by a climactic day spent viewing celebrity drivers, everybody from Dan Gumey to the Indy 500 champ Rodger Ward, roughhousing 850s through a series of demo-races.

Vignolle accepted the invitation. Naturally he did. "Press party," after all, was the user-friendly euphemism for "Booze freeload." I suppose I’m making Gus sound horrible, but he was hardly the only two-fisted drinker among LA car scribes of the delirium-tremens 1960s. And not only was he aware that one day he was going to poison himself with alcohol (he finally did the job in 1982, aged 69) but he was so unapologetic and defensive about it that he routinely accorded the Motoracing readership full details of his marathon binges.

Gus’ big Scoop

That's what happened this time. "Operation 850-Plus-The Greatest Freeload of All Time," was a yarn Gus wrote up in the form of a diary; with the exception of one astounding entry about Ricardo, it was a celebration of 48 continuous hours of relentless sousing. Vignolle's excerpts:


2:30 pm-I meet the BMC/Harnbro press and dealer gang in the Sky Room Saloon for the takeoff to Monterey.
3:15 pm-The booze shuts off, and the chartered press plane takes off. . .
4:24 pm-They turn on the faucet. "What will you haye?" "Scotch, please." The question thoughtfully will he asked for


two days...
5:30 pm-Arrive at Monterey airport.
5:45 pm-Buses leave for the Casa Munras in Monterey.
6:00 pm-Arrive at Casa Munras.
6:15 pm-A mammoth drinking party starts.
10:00 pm-The drivers leave. They are smart. The rest get smashed to the gills.

And on and on like that, although at least Gus was finally getting some rest from gloomily finalling on El Chanuco. But the following day one of the most unexpected celebrities to tum up for the demo races was none other than Ricardo's elder brother, Pedro. And Pedro, pale and still grief-strickened, hadn't made the long trip up from Mexico City just to Mickey- Mouse around in a shoebox 850. He was there to work the press-to lay on Vignolle and all the other scribes a version of Ricardo's demise which utterly contradicted the "official" one.

Ruinously hung over-"with trip hammers flogging the skull"-from all the drunkenness of the evening before, Vignolle was in sad shape when Pedro collared him, yet somehow managed to enter this into his drinking diary:

11:26 am-Pedro Rodriguez tells me about the accident that killed his brother, Ricardo. He said that it was no driver error and that the boy did not go in too hot. He said the right rear suspension of the Lotus broke and the car went sideways into the
top right guardrail on the banked turn. The car did not flip and it did not catch on fire, as reported. Back section of the car was practically intact. Ricardo was going about 100 mph at the time. He flew out of die car and hit a post supporting the guardrail, dying instantly.

And there they were, 100 words that were like 100 sticks of dynamite. Gus' big scoop, if only he'd been sober enough to realize it. Ricardo hadn't been the instigator of his own doom! He'd been more like a victim.

Look at it this way: Suppose that Pedro was juggling the facts and speaking with a forked tongue on behalf of his baby brother, and that the suspension of Ricardo's Lotus hadn't really snapped at all and that Ricardo had truly made a driving mistake. He still had deserved the opportunity to survive a measly 100 mph crash.

Alarm bells, not trip hammers, should have begun flailing Vignolle's skull about the screwed up and criminally unsafe racing conditions of the 1960s. His memory might even have clicked in and reminded him that Ricardo wasn't the first martyr of this kind of stupid crash, and that some months earlier at Goodwood, England, Stirling Moss -regarded as Grand Prix racing's uncrowned world champion, and a special buddy of Vignolle's -had had a Lotus identical to Ricardo's possibiy flake off its suspension and sail not into a steel rail but an earthen embankment. Moss, too, had suffered head injuries, not fatal ones, but he decided never to race again.

And just that October at Riverside Raceway in southem California, Pat Pigott's Lotus, not a formula racer but a sports car, had also possibly blown its flyweight suspension and wedged against a deadly steel wall. (Pigott, one of the world's fastest Formula Junior chauffeurs, had for a stepfather John McCone, chief spook of the Central Intelligence Agency, and attending his stepson's funeral had almost made McCone late to the start of the Cuban Missile Crisis).

Racing's code of silence ordinarily prevented anybody from writing up accidents, but Gus was always a rebel. So Motoracing was going to make itself a forum for an exposé of Ricardo's pathetic and inexcusable demise. In fact, with all of the paper's tradicional red ink and exclamation rnarks, such a screaming exposé might shake up racing enough to make it develop a conscience about better protecting the lives of its heroes.

So Gus returned home from the Operation-850 freeload motivated and dried out again. Motoracing published photographs of Ricardo's Lotus, and it looked only modestly damaged with its tail section intact and the steering wheel bent from where Ricardo had been holding on, just like Pedro had said.

But that was the end of it. Afterward, Motoracing dropped the hot and controversial topic of race car and race track safety and dummied up just like everybody else. I'm still not sure why Gus didn't go through with it, my only speculation being that booze and misanthropy were really beginning to gain on him, and after what had happened to Ricardo he was thoroughly fed up with racing. Plus, he was beginning to have intimations about suffering a second heart attack unless he sold Motoracing and got out, which he soon did.

Today, almost four decades later, racing at last has safety coming out its ears -last September at the new California Speedway the CART boys were slamming walls not at 100 mph but 230, as well as scoring G-Ioadings in the double digits, yet still managing to waik away with headaches not as severe as Vignolle's hangover. But of course it's all way too late to save Ricardo.

Or to prevent the myth of his having heen some kind of pampered juvenile psycho who was far more muy macho than talented (poor, quiet Pedro, killed racing in Germany in 1971, is regularly-and erroneously-remembered in the same way). Actually, Gus had it right; had he been able to live through an era when safety hadn't been invented, Ricardo Rodriguez truly couldn't have missed becoming world champion. He was a Troy Ruttman or Mario Andretti--one of those phenoms who come along once in a generation.

Posterity, at least, remembers Ricardo far more kindly than it does his late father, Don Pedro. At the peak of his sons' careers, when he was routinely spending 80-grand a year bankrolling them in the great day and night marathons of Le Mans and Sebring, Don Pedro was considered a loving father and grand sportsman. Yet fate is cruel. Now in the late 1990s, in light of what happened to Ricardo and Pedro, popular opinion consigns the old man up there on the all-time horror role with those macabre parents who turned their daughter into a seven-year-old aviatrix fatally trying to set a bizarre crosscontinet flying record. Don Pedro Rodriguez: The parent from Hell.

History is humbug

So what’s the big deal, you ask? History is humbug. A racer driver isn’t the only public figure to take a royal screwing once he’s dead and gone –look what happened to JFK.

Ordinarily I tend to agree. In fact I’m with that big French literary gasbag who a couple of centuries ago said, “History is joke the living play on the dead”. Negative retro article about Ricardo continue to be published and no longer bug me, even when they contain doomsday and malarkey lines like “The Rodriguez brothers, Ricardo and Pedro, were young, dashing, and reckless on and off the track... no need to wait for the end of the story: Ricardo dead at 20, Pedro at 31.” But where this 1991 story succeeded in ringing my tolerance buzzer was with its glib assurance that “The two brothers were popularly considered matadors in race cars,” followed by this howler: “The press were quick to catch the simile and played it for all it was worth in column inches...”

Excuse me, time out, that was not the way it was.

Full disclosure, a la Gus 1) I was a cub member of the Rodriguez paparazzi pack, and nobody I hung with held the morbid view that Ricardo was some doomed little geek in a suit of lights programmed to take a goring; and 2)outside of Gus, none of us had a vocabulary potent enough to understand what “simile” meant, or what you did with one (and he should have used “metaphor” anyway).

You want the unvarnished truth? I was certain that Ricardo Rodriguez was immortal, would go on racing forever. Ascari, Castelloti, Musso, Fangio and all those other red-blood Latin race drivers were history, all the light-skinned lads of the UK were coming on, and he was the fiery antidote for all their stiff-upper-lip, showing-any-emotions-is-bad-form jive.
And the even deeper truth? I envied the hell out of El Chamaco! Only somebody out of their mind wouldn’t have.
Here was this 5-5, 135-pound... child, actually eight months younger than I was, who at 19 was already a works Ferrari Formula One jockey, and who in addition to wheeling and dealing F1 torpedoes-on-wheels was a teenager master whaling away on the Nurburgring, Le Mans, the Targa Florio –the devil circuits- with classic Ferrari sports racers.

No slingshot top-fuel dragster, no Offenhauser roadster, and no two-ton fast-back rooster of a NASCAR Grand National stocker ever carried more mystique than one of those front-engine V12 Ferrari long-distance rigs of the late 1950s and early 1960s. They were beautiful but by today’s standards gargantuan-so humongous that Ricardo looked like he could barely see out. Yet at the12 Hours of Sebring, 1961 version, I had the fantastic good fortune of watching him go on a tour de force with one.

An extremely suspicious and prolonged pit stop to fix a dead generator –a similarly lengthy and maybe bogus stop was forced on Ricardo and Pedro later that same season while they were leading Le Mans –had pitchforked the brothers’ North American Racing Team No.17 out of a safe lead of one or two laps and deposited the vehicle back to third, miles and miles aft of two squads of older Ferrari drivers.

Barely three hours remained and night was falling, Ricardo replaced Pedro in the saddle and, banshee V12 revs riffing across all five miles of Sebring, set out in darkness to grab back as many miles as he could. Pure fire and brimstone. Slower traffic fled from the heat of No.17’s blazing headlights exploding up from behind, and each one of Ricardo’s reverberating up-and-downshifts through the esses or over at Webster corner provoked fiery bolts of crackling orange exhaust flame, plus shrill cries of objection from all the pseudo-experts –“You can’t no-clutch shift a V12 like that! He’s going to blow that freaking thing up!”
Well, our star never did, and No. 17 came in a dangerously close third with all the old-timers in the first and second place factory cars bugging out and glancing back over their shoulders in horrified apprehension.

And there were all those other perks and goodies that went with being Ricardo. Girls, naturally: He scored with great-looking ladies by the numbers, most of them much older than he was. He was a Fon Portago throwback, and with Pedro, sexxed up the scene from Sebring to Nassau to Monza. And when Ricardo did marry in 1961, his stunning trophy bride, an elegant and hot Mexican lady named Sarita, was so voluptous that one evening in LA she had the clientele of the Grand Prix restaurant choking on their libations from the sight of her.

Finally, El Chamaco wasn’t busy living the life of the world’s best boy race driver, he was either taking the waters at Acapulco or else home in one of Mexico City’s most upscale quarters where he was a clothes horse with 100 differents suits and 60 pairs of shoes. Sure looked like fun to me.

And yet...

November 1, 1962, is a date fixed in my conscious as darkly as 30 May 1955, the afternoon Billy Vukovich stepped off at Indianapolis. I can recall everything I was doing, including what I still can’t believe I said when somebody telephoned with word of what had just gone down with Ricardo in Mexico City. “Well”, I said, “I’m not surprised”.
Nolo contendere –I plead guilty, but with an explanation. That wasn’t me saying what I thought, it was me parroting racing’s old establishment drivers saying what they thought.

Ricardo was something they feared because they’d never seen anything like him before. He was a phenomenally fast teen who made them race harder than they wanted to. I well recall flying back to LA from the aforementioned 1961 Sebring with one of the sport’s most prominent names and listening to him tell me in exasperation that the Rodriguez brothers turned a race track into a billiard table: They behaved as if they were cueballs and everybody else was a number ball. Still other famous senior drivers delivered the definitive Ricardo-bashing quote (afterward denied) that has endured through decades:”If he lives, I’ll be surprised”.

Ricardo’s legacy reads that he was a maniac risk-taker. And not until I got through researching this could I verify what I always suspected to be true, which is that contrary to the crash-and-burn image, Ricardo seldom ran over people –not even at Sebring ‘61”- and almost never got into an accident. He couldn’t afford to. Exactly like all the codgers he was worrying so much, he was competing on epic road circuits of five miles, eight miles, 14 miles, even 45 miles (the Targa Florio) where almost no runoffs or rooms for error existed. And far from being a mad-dog sprinter, he had to discipline and strategy to preserve himself to go the distance and day-and-night marathons like Sebring and Le Mans, as well as the 1000 kms of Paris, which he and Pedro regulary won. Ricardo once “wore” an RSK Porsche at Meadowdale, Illinois, but about the only other significant mistake he ever made was the one that bit him in Mexico City. If, that is, he truly made an error there at all, and if the Lotus suspension didn’t first snap, exactly as Pedro claimed.

Ricardo wasn’t just a threat to established drivers, but to prevailing racing attitudes. Racing 35 years ago possessed even more solemn all-knowing, pundit/historian phonies than it does in the 1990s, if you can imagine, and the cognoscenti’s big deal, basically, was to portray sports and Grand Prix racing as activities as difficult to perfom as, say, brain surgery. You had to spend a lifetime developing the sensitivity and intelligence required. What made Ricardo Rodriguez so subversive was that through his actions he was suggesting that racing wasn’t difficult to do at all, as long as you had youth, balls, and a rich papa keeping you in fast cars.

Bad deal

Gertrude Stein, one of the Gus Vignolle’s literary heroines, wrote “Dead is dead but that is why memory is all and all the immortality there is”. I was going to chop this thing off with the memory of Ricardo forever bombing around Sebring in the dark in his Ferrari. And then unfortunately I stumbled onto the rumor of a family skeleton scandal about Don Pedro and the snakebitten Rodriguez clan that I don’t have time to confirm but don’t feel I can omit either.

In his day Don Pedro was a mistery man who wore sunglasses indoors and out while functioning as a highly secretive financial tycoon in one of the world’s poorest countries. Nobody ouside of Mexico ever got a satisfactory handle about where all Don Pedro’s pesos came from, but there were a pair of conflicting versions plus a third whispered one.

One version had it that in his youth he’d been a motorcycle stunt rider who somehow became strong man of Mexico City’s crotch-rocker police squad and had begun amassing his fortune there. The second version had it that he’d been engineer of the goverment train of el jefe Cardenas, Mexico’s reform president of the thirties, and later used his well-placed connections within the administration to make hyper-profitable real estate buys in Mexico City and Acapulco.

The whispered third version, which was only juicy innuendo 35 years ago, was reported as unattributed fact not long ago in Enzo Ferrari, a grim book which does a battleship gray number on Enzo and all his works and associates including Don Pedro: The actual working occupation of the elder Rodriguez was that of bordello-master with a fancy string of Mexico City upper-class houses of ill repute.

Well, as for the family skeleton, it seems that back in November of 1962, at approximately the same time that Ricardo’s brother Pedro was up on the Monterey peninsula trying to rescue the dead El Chamaco’s image with Gus Vignolle and the gringo press, Don Pedro was himself getting into the act.

He went public in Paris-Match, one of the biggest magazines in Europe, with a tell-all account of his son’s end being caused by the rear suspension failure of the Rob Walker Lotus. I haven’t been able to raise a copy of this Paris-Match exposé, but it never caused the stink that Don Pedro was hoping for –nobody in racing apparently read Paris-Match- yet it incensed Rob Walker. Taking it as libel and enmity directed not at Lotus workmanship per se, but at his own team, Walker afterward broke off all contact with Don Pedro. He wouldn’t even pay him the life insurance premium he’d carried on Ricardo (Walker routinely insured the lives of all his drivers, which speaks loudly about the sixties racing)- and instead paid it directly to the widow, Sarita.

Who, as it turned out, desperately needed it. Per Rob Walker (in a racing book about himself), following Ricardo’s funeral Sarita’s father-in-law played the arch-villain. The old man banished Sarita from the household bag and baggage and pitched her out onto the bricks on her beautiful bottom. For some years she apparently had to sub-exist in bitter conditions bordering on poverty.

Another Rodriguez victim.





ry6
1. From memory I think Ricardo was driving a Lotus-Climax.
(Was it a 24?) The Ford Cosworth was not made at the time?

2. Was there such a thing as an "850" Mini-Cooper or "S"?
I only know about the 997 Mini-Cooper, which was followed by 1070,970 and 1275 versions?
Rob
fines
Great article, Rolando, but who's the author?
Keir
That 1st picture is a truly great photo of Pedro!!
It captures the moment and the man.
David M. Kane
What an absolutely fasinating story, please more stuff like
this. I totally enjoyed this story. I saw Pedro race several
times, once at Bridgehampton in a Ferrari at a Can-Am race
in '67 or '68 and again at Watkins Glen for BRM in "70 the
year he had to come in for a splash and go. Unfortunately
I never got to see Ricardo race.

Why is history alway so unkind to the parents?
jarama
Originally posted by ry6


2. Was there such a thing as an "850" Mini-Cooper or "S"?
I only know about the 997 Mini-Cooper, which was followed by 1070,970 and 1275 versions?
Rob


Rob,

in several markets existed the 850 Mini -ie Spain, where was manufactured by the spanish BMC branch, AUTHI (AUtomóviles de Turismo Hispano Ingleses).
MattFoster
Great Article!
David McKinney
The 850 Mini was sold worldwide, Jarama. What Ry6 (and I) want to know is, was there ever an 850 Mini-COOPER?
jarama
Thankyou, David. Maybe sometimes I read the posts TOO fast.
Roger Clark
While on factual errors, it was moss' 1960 spa crash that was caused by broken rear suspension, not his Goodwood one in 1962.
David M. Kane
I always knew that Lotus cars were talked about as being
fragile, i.e. built for maximum performance only; but I started reading the NF I have become more and more aware
of the deaths. How many Lotus drivers actually died in their
machines. It seems as if the number is extremely high.
Barry Lake
The story raises a few questions for me.
Are we sure this particular writer wasn't, himself, in an alcoholic stupour when he wrote this article?
Where did he read all these stories that suggested Ricardo was crazy, that the car rolled several times and burst into flames?
Did these magazines, by chance, also have lots of photos of naked women?
The stories I have read of Ricardo in reputable publications haven't been so unkind to his memory.
What proof is there of Ricardo's alleged sexual conquests? Did someone witness these events?
I notice this writer quotes from "Enzo Ferrari, a grim book which does a battleship gray number on Enzo and all his works and associates including Don Pedro".
That book, like this story, smacks of sensation for sensation's sake to me. Has anyone on this forum read it? I have - and wish I hadn't bought it.
There might be some hard facts and interesting truths in both the book and the article, but which parts do you believe?

PS: Great photo of Ricardo with pit onlookers above. Do we know who took it?
rolando
The article was written by Joe Scalzo, I can't remember now who took the pictures, but when I'll get home, I check...

Before I posted the article I knew it was a very personal point of view from the author, as we can see it has some errors too, but I really enjoyed it, especially because Ricardo has always been one of my all-time heroes.

I'm waiting for more comments, please. smile.gif

Keir
Barry,
That first photo is of Pedro, futher down in the thread is a photo of Ricardo, he's on the left with Pedro.
Barry Lake
Woops!
I do know what they look like, but Pedro looks so young there. I suppose I am more used to seeing photos of him when he was older. I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Still a great photo though.
David J Jones
oh!

I was reading through the other day a book on Jimmy Clark............... This seemed to place the blame for the von Trips accident at Monza on Ricardo!

Anyone got any comment?........
cjpani
David. could you post the title/author of such book, please?

regards,
cjpani
dbw
the first "cooper" version of the mini was a 997cc..[i had one].no production 850 version that i'm aware of....the early 997's were physically close to the stock 850..sliding windows,cloth interior,single filler etc.....most changes were in the engine...twin SU's, cam ,and disp increase.....i'm not sure any work was done on the heads[porting,valves] on the first series....surely later on...they also retained the narrow rims and 5.20-10 dunlops...we had to wait for the "fat" factory steel rims tho minilites were available at some point.
Roger Clark
I have to admit that I don't really like the style of writing of this article and that I may therefore be prejudiced against it. Like Barry Lake, i feel thatit seeks sensation and I find it difficult to decide what elements I can take seriously. There are, however, a few points that are worth making.

Firstly, there was, sadly, nothing unusual about a Lotus breaking its suspension. It was a fact of racing in those days. The constructors did not have the test resources they do nowadays and the cars were more fragile as a result. Contrary to popular myth, Lotus were not alone in this and every make had their share of failures.

Secondly, the implication were upset by the arrival of the mecural Ricardo doesn't ring true. There were a large number of new drivers arriving at that time, some of whom had created a greater stir than either Rodriguez. I could mention the names Clark and Surtees for starters.

Thirdly, what was so unusual about Rob Walker paying the insurance money to Ricardo's widow? She was the next-of-kin.


David J Jones
Cjpani

The book was titled I think 'Jim Clark - Tribute to a Champion' author Eric Dymock. I was leafing through in a bookstore last week

Clark seemed to have suffered for the remainder of his life after the accident and an explanation was sought as to why von Trips car moved towards Clark's car.

It is suggested by other drivers that Ricardo moved over on von Trips as they approached the Parabolica on lap 2



oldtimer
The first Mini-Coopers (and they were that, from collaboration between the British Motor Corporation, as it was then, and the Cooper brothers) in Britain had 997cc engines. Later versions had 1100cc engines, and were said to be Porsche eaters on British roads. All rather embarrassing.

As for breakages, the Lotus record is pretty grim...
David M. Kane
David, I'd never heard that before, but it makes sense. Do
you the ISBN or whatever it is called. I would like to buy
that book to find out more.

Thanks.
David J Jones
I have not got the ISBN but the bookstore I use in the UK has copies. They had it as an offer item over the Winter period at £20 - usually the book was £25.00
rolando
39 year ago, Ricardo Rodriguez 'El chamaco de Oro' was killed, Mexico lost the most promising driver ever frown.gif , I hope you enjoy this article again. smile.gif
ghinzani
I think the most interesting part of the article and this discussion is what he might have acheieved if he had lived? Would the cult of youth exemplified by Raikkonen and Button etc have started 40 yrs b4? What if Eddie Cheever had got a Ferrari drive in 77 rather than Gilles, when he tested for them? Or if one of my favourites, Mike Thackwell had made an impression in F1 when he made his debut at 19 yrs 182 days or whatever it was?
Schummy
What ironic that Pedro died in a fiery(?) accident in (a second class) sport-prototype race in Norisring (IIRC). Two fine racers and brothers dead in those circunstances.

Pedro was a nemesis for Ferrari in that glorious s/p era. When I saw in TV images about the burning Ferrari I was really disgusted, and also I was surprised because those days I never saw Pedro driving a Ferrari s/p. IIRC a front tyre become gradually loose and... cry.gif

With an eery effect, his "brother-in-racing" Siffert disappeared in another second-class race (non champ F1 race in Brands Hatch, as you all know best than myself). They were team mates in F1's BRM and in that great John Wyer's Porsche s/p team. In months we lost two of the finest s/p drivers we have had frown.gif
italia
Originally posted by oldtimer
The first Mini-Coopers (...) in Britain had 997cc engines. Later versions had 1100cc engines


A bit OT, but as a mini enthousiast I have to complete the record!
1961 Birth of first Mini Cooper. 997cc, 55hp
1963 Mini Cooper S, 1071cc, 70 hp and
1964 Mini Cooper S, 970cc, 65hp, 1000 cars for homologation
1964 Mini Cooper S, 1275cc, 75 hp
1990 'rebirth' (but not really..) Cooper, 1275cc, 61hp
leegle
Mini Coopers had disc brakes as well and there were bigger calipers on the Cooper S. smile.gif In Australia BMC developed wind up windows for the Mini and released them on the Mini Deluxe (998cc) and the local version of the Cooper S (1275cc only). rolleyes.gif There were wide wheels but I don't know on what models.
Barry Boor
Sorry, I know this is a bit picky-picky, but I just wondered why a thread on the Rodriguez brothers, especially Ricardo, should have a picture of Willy Mairesse in the sharknose at Monaco featured in it?

confused.gif

Ricardo certainly practised car #40, but Mairesse raced it. Does anyone know the story behind that one?
Roger Clark
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Sorry, I know this is a bit picky-picky, but I just wondered why a thread on the Rodriguez brothers, especially Ricardo, should have a picture of Willy Mairesse in the sharknose at Monaco featured in it?

confused.gif

Ricardo certainly practised car #40, but Mairesse raced it. Does anyone know the story behind that one?


This is not simple. Ferrari had five cars, four drivers and three entries at Monaco. They had two guaranteed entries and one required to qualify. THe guaranteed entries went to Phil hill, and either Mairesse or Bandini. THe qualifier was to be whichever of Bandini or Mairesse did not have the guaranteed entry. I assume that the slower of the two would get the guaranteed entry, ensuring that there were three Ferraris in the race. Ricardo Rodriguez was present and drove in practice, but there was no intention of his racing as far as I am aware.

The cars were three 120 degree engined sharknoses, essentially to the 1961 design but with wider rear suspension (these were the race cars), a 1962 version of the sharknose with gearbox in bront of the rear wheels (which Hill drove in practice) and an old 65 degree engined car for Rodriguez. There was no intention of rodriguez racing, as far as I know.
Barry Boor
Thanks, Roger. Do you know, I had a feeling you might be the one to answer!

Do you agree that it IS Mairesse in the photo?
Roger Clark
Yes
MONTOYASPEED
Nice post Rolando up.gif (hijin ;) lol.gif )
ghinzani
I still cant belive he was able to race internationally at 15 - if he had lived and carried on into his forties in F1 he could have seen out the ground effects era - think about that! Cant see any of the kids in F1 hanging on too long these days, witness Kimi for instance.
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