Hello Allen,

In fact, Yves Courage moved back to a Surtees or Martini in the middle of 1976 due to the "bad performances" of the Lola T450. The car was not crashed but only sold.

I have not already find the full history of this car but here is some owners of the HU #3
- Yves Courage : 1976
- Patrick Bornhauser : probably from 1977
- Jean-Paul Paria : Beginning of eighties (Family name to be confirmed)
- Robert Greusard ; 1983 (I am not sure for the first name)
- Nobert Delage : 1983 to 1985
- Philippe Graby : 1985 to 1986
- Daniel Job : 1992 to 1997
- Guillaume Bonatre : from 1997 onwards.

My father has bought the car in 1997 and has restored it during two years as the car was modified for hillclimb races.

Information and pictures can be found on the Autodiva Forum (sorry it is in french). Here-below the link for the relevant topic :

http://www.autodiva.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=485

Thomas

A rare shot of Del Bennett's FAt Huron, Thruxton 1971
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12078476@N07/...in/photostream/
Cyd Williams' Brabham Silverstone 1973
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12078476@N07/...in/photostream/

Not sure about this. Doesn't look like the Williams car in period and there was no Atlantic race at Silverstone in August.

I think it's Mallory Park.

But the colour/s on the car and the background is all wrong.

I'm pretty sure that's Silverstone. The car is parked on the GP entry to Woodcote just before the pit entry. The breeze block wall was there in those days.

The track in the background is the end of the Club Straight. The Yellow lorry is coming out of, or parked at the Paddock Entrance.

I suggest it's a large meeting on the Club Circuit. Trailers were often parked on the GP circuit to save space in the Paddock.

Yes I agree its Silverstone for sure.

Silverstone, yes, but this is the John Wingfield Brabham BT40 raced by Ray Mallock in 1974 after he dispensed with his Ensign LNFB/74.

My life has been rather hectic since my last post here so I haven't had a chance to add anything to my flickr snaps. In response to a request for pics of Price Cobb in his March 76B I've recently added about 3 dozen pics to my Atlantic set. They are the ones at the end of the set.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/...57623186773769/

The Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion August 19 weekend includes a group for Formula Atlantic, 1974-80. I think a get-together for Atlantic veterans would be fun, so I emailed some. This from Marty Loft:

"We would love to attend the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion at Laguna Seca. Can you let us know how the plans are progressing?"

Phil Simon also expressed interest. Tom Johnston will hopefully have one of his cars running.

Marc Sproule, are you attending? Anyone else interested? Anyone have contact for some of the Atlantic vets?

Vince H.

I know Tom Pumpelly wants to attend.

Sorry I haven't had the time to read through the entire thread, so please pardon me if this has been answered already, but is there an authoritative book on the history of Formula Atlantic?

Thanks.

Jack

I have 'The Atlantic Championship-25 year anniversary edition' by John Zimmermann.c.USDC Publishing-printed in belgium

Which Atlantic championship does it cover?

North America

It covers the 25 years from 1974 to 1999 so it doesn't cover a championship per se, but celebrates the first 25 years of the use of the term Formula Atlantic in North America. It starts with the adoption of the name "Formula Atlantic" by the Canadian national championship which had previously run to Formula B rules, then covers that CASC series through 1978 and the inclusion of US rounds up to the Formula Mondial disaster of 1983. It then covers the SCCA-sanctioned 1984 WCAR series, which has given the impression, fueled by Wikipedia, that WCAR was a continuation of Canadian Atlantic/Mondial series. It wasn't really of course - 1984 WCAR was a continuation of 1983 WCAR and the "reigning champion" in WCAR in 1984 was 1983's WCAR champion, not the Formula Mondial champion. However, it served Toyota Atlantic in 1999 to blur that boundary and talk of 25 year of Formula Atlantic.

I have info for Bob Lazier, Jerry Hansen, Bob Schader, and Carl Liebich... and probably several more with more thought.

Marty Loft, wow, he's a real blast from the past and was to be a writer for me if I'd continued in the magazine biz.

PM if interested.

I will make every effort to be there. I'm dealing with a hip that's in need of replacement. At this point I don't have the $ or insurance to get it replaced.

Sorry to hear that, Marc... MediCal in this case?

< or considered 'elective?' >

Thanks for the references for the FA book. I have ordered a copy.

Jack

Thanks for that. Did you have the Tom Gloy March? Are you in touch with him?

Vince H.

Great to talk to you today, Eric. Thanks for the info.

Vince H.

I received the book a few days ago and have to say it was a disappointment. So I'm still looking for a comprehensive history of the series, if such a book exists.

Jack.

Sorry,I thought we made it clear it only covered the north american series?

Nobody's fault, Rob. The NA series is what I'm interested in reading about, especially the early years with all the great drivers that it fostered, but this book doesn't really fill the bill for that. It was only $10 and I'll probably get at least that much information out of it, so no harm done. I hope somebody does a book that gives comprehensive coverage while some of the primary players are still available.



Jack.

So what does it actually cover, Jack?

Basiclly what it says on the cover-25 year anniversary edition-1974-1998
One of the best quality books I have-mainly photos I guess-glossy color & b&w.If you are looking for technical details of the cars or every driver pehaps not for you.
One name I had forgotten-Mark Dismore-is listed as having the most victories 15-1974-97.Whatever happened to him?

What do you mean by the early years Jack? I may be becoming a bore on this subject but "North American series" is a Wikipedic term. The Canadian series ran from 1971 to 1983 - including some US races from 1978 - and not forgetting a stand-alone IMSA series in 1976. WCAR started in the US in 1983 and ECAR in 1985 and they combined into a North American championship in 1991. When you say early years, do you mean the 1970s?

If "comprehensive history" is what you want, then that level of detail may never appear in book form. "Comprehensive" is what we're building on OldRacingCars.com: http://www.oldracingcars.com/atlantic/

There are a number of new additions to my Atlantic set...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/...57623186773769/

All my sets.....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/sets/

Mark's back to running Comet Kart Sales in Indianapolis, the family kart shop (and chassis manufacturer), in business since the '60s or '70s.

I emailed Chris Waddell about getting together at Monterey. His response:

"Hi - didn't realize it was happening but that sounds kind of interesting. August is still a long way away but have been looking for some place to go this summer and that could be a lot of fun. Keep me posted on what's happening - is there a specific web site I should be watching.

I am still in quite regular touch with Graham Scott who was one of Gilles mechanics at Ecurie Canada and then went to work for Doug Shierson so I will let him know and also heard from Gilles' other mechanic Andy Roe this spring - he is flying helicopters in BC and can let him know too.

Graham was in pretty regular touch with Jon Norman who has Gilles' march 76B and had Dan Marvin driving it - was at Trois Rivieres a couple of years ago.

Gordon Kirby may know some who might be attending and I can ask him too.

best wishes

Chris"

Vince H.

No Vince I have never talked to Tom Gloy, 76B/9 now lived in Santa Barbara with it's new owner. Once again it is being maintained by John Collins son, Graham.

I just emailed Gloy about this thread. We'll see if he responds here.

He's usually pretty good about that kinda stuff.

Excellent he was a very good and a very key FA driver.

More additions to my Atlantic set, including one of Ted Wentz in Pierre Phillips' T460 at Gimli in '76......

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/...57623186773769/

Haven't heard anything from Gloy yet.

All my sets.....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/sets/

Marc, Price would love to see those. He's not here in Colorado anymore, in Jersey now I think.

We golfed together several times and all he talked about were his early days... and Le Mans. He sure was a menace in Atlantic, awesome...

QUOTE (David McKinney @ Mar 1 2012, 22:30)
So what does it actually cover, Jack?



Whether or not you like Zimmerman's book depends on your definition of "comprehensive," I guess. It sort of thumbnails its way through each season, gives a few lists, but covers the 1998 season in more of an yearbook/Autocourse style. Some pretty cool photos, but not the greatest depth of historical ones. It's a good book for the price Jack paid, put it that way -- but I'd be interested in a major, blow-by-blow, photo-jammed Atlantic review, even if it stretched over two volumes.

Tom Johnston (TEJ) has been accepted to run his 1975 Johnston JM3 in the Formula Atlantic group at Monterey. I believe Marty Knoll will be driving. Has anybody heard any more about the event?

Vince H.

At this point there are 35 Atlantic cars entered

WOW, that's really impressive being five months away and all. It'll be great, tempted to make the trip...

Review of the 1975 Player's F. Atlantic season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fv8XHofpA...be_gdata_player

Actually James King has aged well.

Nothing like a March to stop the March of Time.

It's not all about the cars

Thanks for sharing :-)

The owner of Cliff Hansen's 78B says he's been accepted and will be running in the Atlantic portion of the weekend.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/...157623186773769

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/...57623186773769/

Anyone know what other cars from this set will be there?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/...57623186773769/

Some pics of the first race (F.Atlantic) to be held on Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve back in September 1978 just a few weeks prior to the inaugural Canadian GP.

http://www.autocourse.ca/index.php?file=photos.html

Click on 1978, the Labatt Championship Series