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Lemnpiper
QUOTE (Richie Jenkins @ Dec 24 2009, 19:17) *
Cheers Paul,
I think there will be, out of the 205 mysteries (Indy & non-Indy) that remain, 30-50 that may never be solved, but we can but try.

It's a good point, actually - I think it is something that is happening now a bit more, but Overton Snell's life & passing seemed to somewhat unnoticed. Admitted he was not a front-rank driver in any sense, but he was part of an era that has now gone forever... thankfully they made the most of George Connor & Duke Nalon.

Tower, though, I don't know they really exploited that. I suppose Harroun's memories were used extensively, but Tower outlived Harroun by some way after all. I was surprised, when changing Tower's info, that being the last 1911 survivor AND a WWI war hero meant information on him was/is so thin on the ground....



Thanks Mr Jenkins,


In regards to Mr Tower being a WW1 vet by the time of his passing in 1985 there were still thousands of WW1 vets still around, the fact he was one really didnt gather much attention then.It wasnt til the year 2000 that a group on wikipedia started tracking the surviving WW1 vets with greater detail. ( as if today Dec 24th 2009 they have 3 documented ones still alive with one or two possibles being investigated )

It's just the fact Mr Tower was the last survinig starter from 1911 and didnt get much press back in 1985 that was the surprise.You would have thought when the speedway set up the old timer's club originally thay woulds have made a sincere effort to locate who was still living that may have had a connection to the speedway back then.{BTW as an aside when was the old timer's club started?)




Paul
ReWind
QUOTE (Richie Jenkins @ Oct 7 2009, 23:51) *
Changed Info
Marquette - new birthplace
Richie, can you check the birthplace of Mel Marquette?
"Pyrchmont, Indianapolis" seems somewhat strange.
Richie Jenkins
Reinhard,
I checked the draft card again & although it says "Pyrchmont" (handwritten), having checked through the censuses & the maps, I am pretty certain it actually means Pyrmont, Indiana.
Richie Jenkins
Vinicio Salmi has sent me a nice email this morning, with a few photos to use for the new WATN site & a correction - it appears somewhere down the line his birthdate has become muddled (not by me, I think it was an official book);

He says he was born in Ferrara on July 3 1956. As most sites (including mine) have his date of birth as March, I have a feeling the differences between the US & European dating system has led to this.

Whilst I'm updating, thanks to a number of people for the latest photos - it is, slowly, getting there bit by bit. As for Salmi, I'll try & find a bit more about his happenings now but he looks well & is flying a plane, so that might give a clue as to what he does now...
Allen Brown
I just found this photo of Alan Rollinson in my files, kindly donated some while back by Steve Turnbull.


Copyright Colin Taylor Productions; permission pending
Giraffe

By giraffe138, shot with EX-M2 at 2009-08-30

Alan pictured standing next to his cousin Steve Thompson at the F5000 drivers reception at the Oulton Park Gold Cup, 30th August 2009.
Allen Brown
Excellent. My last post is about to be massively modified!
Richie Jenkins
Latest updates (and last pre-baby one, so it might be the last for a little while)

2009/2010 Updates
Alesi, Angelelli, Antinucci, B Bell, Bartels, Bruni, Chiesa, Enge, Giovanardi, Garcia, Haywood, Hunter-Reay, Halliday, Heger, Herta, Ide, Jani, Kovalainen, Davy Jones, Kristensen, Kenyon, Kobayashi, Lohr,Lazzaro, Lopez, Morbidelli, J Muller, Martini, Mansell, Montagny, Pruett, Patrick, Pagenaud, Panis, Rampf, Rangoni, de la Rosa, Sauber, Schmidt, M Schumacher, Steele, W Taylor, Trulli, Tuero, Zonta

General WATN Updates
Briatore, Cowperthwaite, Dallenbach Jr, de Vizcaya, DeLorto (note change of way name written), W Fittipaldi, Ganley, Giba, Kennedy, Kinnunen, D Kelly, Moreno, McAlpine, Purnell, Schenken, Jry Sneva, Tassin, Unser Jr, Yoong, Wilds

New
Boullier

Other
Abney's bio redone.
Rossi's details removed.
All updated bios given an updated date to make it look a bit more current.

Indy Mysteries solved
Ellis (b. 28/1/1881 d. 9/11/1954)

Other new or changed details
Ayulo changed date of death
Baldwin Johnny, year of death updated
Cox - name changed, more precise birth details (not full)
Gibbons, Marquette - spelling of place of birth and death
Keene - place of birth changed
Montgomerie-Charrington place of death changed
Moran - bio, as well as confirmed & new birth & death dates/places
Salmi - date of birth & place of birth changed

Thanks
Tony Otto, Mike Wilds, Dan Axelsson, Rewind, Jim Grant, Rick Kelly, Juan de Andres Vizcaya, Gergely Gabris, Allen Brown, Charlie Moran, Vinicio Salmi
ReWind
QUOTE (Richie Jenkins @ Jan 27 2010, 16:51) *
Ayulo changed date of death
I'm quite surprised that you give May 18th.
I tend to think that over the past years & decades it should not have been a problem to nail this date because the contemporary press will have reported about Manuel Ayulo's fatal practice crash on May 16th, 1955, and his subsequent passing.
ensign14
But he didn't die instantly. Certainly the Clymer yearbook states that he died the day after his crash.
ensign14
Oh, btw, congrats Riche. biggrin.gif A Royal prince(ss)?
Michael Ferner
QUOTE (ReWind @ Jan 30 2010, 09:51) *
I'm quite surprised that you give May 18th.
I tend to think that over the past years & decades it should not have been a problem to nail this date because the contemporary press will have reported about Manuel Ayulo's fatal practice crash on May 16th, 1955, and his subsequent passing.



QUOTE (ensign14 @ Jan 30 2010, 09:59) *
But he didn't die instantly. Certainly the Clymer yearbook states that he died the day after his crash.

Funny, that! I had always in my data base that he died on May 16, following the accident on May 15. Checking press reports now, I find that the accident happened Monday (May 16), and that he died Tuesday (May 17)! See, e.g. http://news.google.de/newspapers?id=xdUjAA...ayulo&hl=en - so, we meet in the middle... ohwell.gif
Richie Jenkins
QUOTE (ReWind @ Jan 30 2010, 08:51) *
I'm quite surprised that you give May 18th.
I tend to think that over the past years & decades it should not have been a problem to nail this date because the contemporary press will have reported about Manuel Ayulo's fatal practice crash on May 16th, 1955, and his subsequent passing.


Hmm.. Well you would think but I would also think Manny Ayulo's family would know best of all.


From Find-a-Grave.com
Allen Brown
QUOTE (Richie Jenkins @ Jan 30 2010, 17:49) *
Hmm.. Well you would think but I would also think Manny Ayulo's family would know best of all.


From Find-a-Grave.com

You would think, wouldn't you? But that newspaper was only published on the Wednesday. If it was able to report things that hadn't happened yet, I'd have been a regular reader of its sports pages and would be a very rich man by now smile.gif

Michael Ferner
Very strange... All the papers had it in the May 18 issue, and one even on May 17 (http://news.google.de/newspapers?id=YCAiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bn4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5835,651397&dq=ayulo&hl=en - presumably evening news)! confused.gif
Richie Jenkins
It is strange isn't it?
Newspapers have been sometimes too quick to kill off people (Wikipedia does it now), but generally they weren't too bad in the 1950's compared to say, the 1910's when even a bruise meant "someone was dead" sprinkled with gay abandon for headline news, rather than actual fact.
But surely the Ayulo family would've not put the wrong date and/or noticed if the wrong date was on. Unless the engraver (or whatever the correct term is, it's late) misread a 16 for an 18??????? But 17th would appear to be the most rational date...
E.B.
Two of my great grandparents have the wrong death age on their gravestones, despite having several children who should have known better, or at least spotted it. It seems no source is completely infallible.

Richie Jenkins
Hi,
This - which I've just added tonight - might be of interest to some - http://www.oldracingcars.info/biography/roscoe-rann/ - not sure if there is a US sprint/midget car thread on this fora, but if there is, can someone point me in the right direction?

P.S. Next update to come reasonably shortly as long as Isabelle, my newborn daughter, keeps behaving herself, and letting Daddy get on with his WATN work! lol.gif

Sadly, these photos were a little too late to be uploaded - the man who provided them, Roscoe H. Rann, died last week. cry.gif The page is dedicated in his memory.

ReWind
Is it just me being a little bit dumb or is there in fact no visible link on the OldRacingCars website that would lead to the biographies section?

Even if I go to Roscoe Rann's entry I cannot find a link to his biography or the picture gallery.
Tim Murray
On the OldRacingCars home page there's a heading called 'Other Research Projects', a little way down on the right hand side. The first of these is 'Where are they now?' - click on this and away you go. smile.gif
ReWind
That's NOT the way to the link in Richie's latest post.
Allen Brown
The biographies are so new that I only found out about Roscoe Rann's entry about the same time the rest of you did. The link to it will be from 'Where Are They Now' but it probably deserves a mention on the front page as an update.

Michael Ferner has also created a set of biographies which I again only saw for the first time when I saw the Roscoe Rann bio. I trust Richard and Michael (and some others) to write their own pages on the OldRacingCars.info site so that means I'm not always up to date with what they're doing smile.gif

I have to figure out how to add all this new biography material into the site's navigation structure. In the mean time, I would suggest that the best link is:
http://www.oldracingcars.info/biography/

Tim Murray
QUOTE (ReWind @ Mar 6 2010, 10:39) *
That's NOT the way to the link in Richie's latest post.

Sorry, Reinhard - I misunderstood what you were looking for. blush.gif
milestone 11
Fantastic site, been on for hours. Thanks.
Richie Jenkins
QUOTE (Allen Brown @ Mar 6 2010, 10:49) *
Michael Ferner has also created a set of biographies which I again only saw for the first time when I saw the Roscoe Rann bio. I trust Richard and Michael (and some others) to write their own pages on the OldRacingCars.info site so that means I'm not always up to date with what they're doing smile.gif


You trust me to do my own thing? Foolish mistake, Allen lol.gif wink.gif

Sorry Allen, I should've pre-warned you I was adding another one... You'll be pleased to know that's it for a little bit! Reinhard, because of that, there's not a link from Roscoe Rann's page, but there will be at the next update.

I presumed, because I can see the direct link to all the biographies on the Roscoe Rann pictures page that everyone else could. But then I presume I would be able to because I can access the site directly in two ways.

I also noticed Michael's biographies when I add the Rann photos - excellent, adding a little depth into the person as well as the stats in Michael's own distinctive style.

Richie Jenkins
Okay, the latest update is now up. It had originally been planned for late February, but the birth, three weeks early of my first child kinda affected that a little bit! Then when it was ready, poor old Allen was stranded by the volcanic ash cloud that affected his flight from the US.
The bulk of it is mainly 2009/2010 updates, but there's still a few new bits of information;

2009/10 WATN updates
Aganthelou, Andrews, Auinger, Andre, Bjork, J Brooks, Berton, Belmondo, Biagi, Barrett, J Bucknum, Bourdais, Caceres, Campos, Couto, Carpentier, Carpenter, Chaves, Cecotto, constantino Jr, da Matta, Deletraz, de Ferran, Duno, Doornbos, del Castello, Fisischella, C Fittipaldi, Fama, F Giaffone, GreCoire, Gounon, Goeters, Gentry, Grand, Grosjean, Guerreri, Gommendy, D Hamilton, Heidfeld, Herbert, Heylen, Heger, M Halliday, Hancock, Helary, Hiesse, Iida, Klien, Key, Karthekiyan, Kasemets, Junqueira, Lopez, Langhorne, J Lazier, Lammers, Legge, Lloyd, Lempereur, C Montanari, Monfardini, McNish, Mazzacane, Montermini, Marshall, Mauricio, Marques, Mutoh, Matsuura, C Murphy, Montagny, Mollekens, Meneghello, K Nakajima, Naspetti, Pescatori, Pizzonia, Policand, Pirro, Piccini, Noda, Nurminen, Plata, Pantano, Papis, Perez-Sala, H Richards, G Rahal, Ranger, Ruberti, Redon, Rampf, Rydell, Rosset, Rugolo, J Robinson, Regester, Schiattarella, Schwager, Ro. Sperafico, Salo, Sato, Sarrazin, G Smith, A Suzuki, Ri Sperafico, Schlessler, Schie, B Smith, Tracy, Tinseau, Villeneuve Sr, Tielemans, Viso, Tredozi, Toccacelo, Tyler, Verdonck, van Hooydonk, Vasselon, Wirdheim, J Wilson, M Wilson, Watt, Yamamoto, Willis, A Wirth, Winkelhock, Warren, Zampredi

Other WATN
Amon, B Ashmore, Ashdown (and a whole load of photos for him too), B Bell, C Bren, Barnard, Baumgartner, Byrne, Bennett, Bonner, Bertuzzi, Cordts, Crook, Coughlan, Capelli, T Carlson, Diniz, Ducarouge, de Montzemolo, Dernie, Dudot, de Cortanze, E Fittipaldi, Freisacher, Filip, M Fisher, D Gardner, Gamble, Jim Guthrie, Haywood, Hamidy, Haberfeld, Keen, Keizan, Kiesa, Kessell, Kinnunen, A Jones, Johansson, Bubby Jones, Katayama, Leonard, Mikola, D Morgan, McRae, Medeiros, Mertens, S Moss, J Martin, Marton, Rgr Mears, S Nichols, Panchyrz, Pavicevic, T Pilette, Niemann, Nannini, Piccolo, Quester, Nielsen, Nissany, Rann, Robarts, Roth, B Rahal, Rothengatter, Rager, A Sperafico, Salvadori, Soler-Roig, Sandro Sala, Symonds, Shattuc, Sauvage, Steiner, van der Merwe, Verstappen, Trolle, Terrien, Witmeur, Wright, Wardrop, Zanardi

Died
B Moss, de Riu

New entries
Baguette, Beatriz, Chandhok, Cuquerella, de Silvestro, Kolles, Petrov, Romancini, Saavedra, Carroll

New Info
Broeker - death place/date and new birth year
B Wallace - birthplace
Ben Jones - FULL details
Klemos - death date
Winn - full birth date

Changed Info
Dockery - still alive - changed birth year accordingly
L Oldfield, Cobe, Jagersberger - changed place of birth
Will Jones - date of death
Merz - place of death

Other
Anderson & Windsor and any trace of the fiasco that was US F1 removed
Updated records to mark demise, sadly, of Champ Car Atlantic
GP totals updated, spellings and minor checks
Two profiles added in the biography section - http://www.oldracingcars.info/biography/peter-ashdown/ and http://www.oldracingcars.info/biography/roscoe-rann/

Thanks
Gergely Gabris, Lynn Dockery, David McKinney, Stefano Coratelli, Marcus Mathee, Raymond Oswin, Mike Tanney, Neil Shattuc, Rick Kelly, Peter Ashdown, Michael Ferner, Ales Norsky, Jaroslav Neubauer. Thanks to all of them, but this update is in tribute to the memory of Roscoe H. Rann, who died at the end of February - the profile of his dad being something I was working on at the time and thanks to his daughter Liz Rann Howard who gave the permission to still continue. RIP Roscoe. cry.gif
ReWind
QUOTE (Richie Jenkins @ May 4 2010, 15:09) *
Changed Info
Jagersberger - changed place of birth: Weiner-Neustadt
The correct spelling is Wiener Neustadt (no “ei”, no hyphen).
alnica
Peter Broeker - ...and just before his death settled in Hawkesbury, OntarRio.
Richie Jenkins
Latest Updates are now up - there are also two interviews on the site to accompany them - Bobby Unser and Jackie Oliver. Brian Redman and Sir Stirling Moss to come within the next week; http://www.oldracingcars.info/interviews/jackie_oliver/ and http://www.oldracingcars.info/interviews/bobby_unser/

2010 Updates
Beechler, Blundell, Bremer, Conway, Dallara, Dumas, de Simone, Figge, Filhol, Gabbiani, Grosjean, Klien, Luyendyk Jr, Magnussen, Perera, Philippe Senna, Simmons, M Smith, Walfisch, Yamamoto

General WATN updates
Adolff, da Silva Ramos, Disbrow, C Davis, Feast, Lehto, Mazet, Milhoux, Morton, Ori, Oliver, Puzey, Southgate, B unser, R Unser, Yasukawa

Deaths
Dochnal, Kessel

Changed Info
Frank Fox - birthdate
Jagersberger - birthplace spelling

Also the Indy 500 & F1 totals have been updated.

Thanks
Rewind, Clive Puzey, Tim Feast, Peter Higham, Steve Edwards, John Siscoe, Rick Kelly, Gergely Gabris, Raymond Sinwell, Virginia Currulla, Allen Brown, Patrick Ware, Gabby Zajacka, Bobby Unser, Sir Stirling Moss, Jackie Oliver and Brian Redman. (Quite a few notables there......... and some blokes called Brian, Stirling and Bobby wink.gif )
john glenn printz
The fact that Dave Evans real name is David Sloat in now confirmed with a 2nd source, i.e. MANSFIELD NEWS (Ohio), April 10, 1928, page 8. The article is entitled FAMED AUTO RACER GIVEN UP FOR DEAD IS REUNITED WITH FAMILY; TO RACE THIS YEAR. This article states that "Dave Evans" was raised in Tulsa, Oklahoma and his father's name was Clyde Sloat. Sloat left home suddenly, had no further contact with his family, and they concluded he was dead. No one noticed that the AAA racing driver Dave Evans was David Sloat! The article also states that Dave married Odyl Reynolds on November 14, 1926, but no birth date for Dave Evans is given. Sloat returned home after a nine year absence and was unrecognized by his parents! Consult the earlier posts on Dave Evans of Sept. 23, 2008, and Sept. 8, 2009.
Michael Ferner
QUOTE
Dave Evans, aged 36, of 1608 North Vermont avenue, Hollywood, Calif.


Altoona Mirror, September 6 in 1927.

We now have his real name, the maiden name of his bride, the date of his marriage and an exact address as well as a given age, although I wouldn't put too much stock in the latter - is this enough for any of our genealogy experts to make it fly???
Richie Jenkins
Michael, I still believe the dates for Evans are the correct ones - I can't add much more on Dave, but Clyde's whereabouts are a little better known, although it does look like Dave's early years are sketchy.


Anyway, a new profile on ORC.com for Kurt Adolff - the 1950's German racer - the 4th now after Nuckey, Ashdown and Rann. The hope is for much more of these as they certainly illuminate people more than their brief book or Wikipedia entry merit.

Profile can be found here - http://www.oldracingcars.info/biography/kurt-adolff/

Update to be done within 2 weeks with 2011 preparation underway and a large amount of photos to be added to the site... All to be revealed soon.....
Richie Jenkins
Hi all,
It has been a very busy (real-life) work time for me lately, so some of the updates and photos I wanted to introduce are not as far gone as I wanted.
However, what follows is a small update, originally done in September, pre-Taylor & Warr deaths (although Taylor's file has been amended accordingly).

There will be another update soon as I will be on holiday shortly, but for now, please find the most recent update;

2010/2011 Updates
Alguersauri, Annala, Baumgartner, Buemi, Bourdais, Chandhok, Clerico, J Davies, Dominguez, Filiberti, Grosjean, Heidfeld, Hearn, Janis, Kerr, M Lauda, Manning, Moreno, Muller Y, Montoya, Pantano, Raikkonen, Rosenblad, M Schumacher, Stuck

Other WATN Updates
Amati, Dare, D Firestone, Frentzen, Gregoire, Grassotto, Hynes, Kunzman frown.gif , Larrauri, O Martini, Pifer, Southgate, Weaver

Deaths
T Taylor

New
Dracone

New Information
Hodkin - death date
Mayes - FULL birth & detail details
Julian - full birthplace

Changed Info
Arundell - deathplace
Belcher - deathdate
B Jones - deathplace and WATN subsquently

Others
As mentioned above, Kurt Adolff profile
GP totals updated

Thanks
Kathleen Karrels, John Glenn Printz, William Jeanes, Jonathan Reynolds, David Aronson, Becky Young Irvine, Gloria Dazey, Gergely Gabris
ReWind
QUOTE (Richie Jenkins @ Jul 12 2010, 02:39) *
Changed Info
Frank Fox - birthdate
You changed 10 Jun 1877 for 19 Jun 1877. May I ask what prompted this change?
After all June 10, 1877 is the date on his tombstone. (LINK)

Richie Jenkins
Family information, which I do normally trust - although having had a look at it from a back-up point of view (draft cards etc.), it does look like the 10th.
I'll have to presume they were mistaken or maybe mis-wrote it.
Jim Thurman
Don't be so certain...I've seen grave markers in error. It happens.

I recently ran across a case where a driver's middle initial was listed differently on the grave marker than it appeared in every record.
ReWind
Two minor issues:
1)
According to Swiss magazine "MOTORSPORT aktuell" (No. 44/2010, p. 37) Joachim Winkelhock is one year older than usually noted.
QUOTE
Oct 24, 1960, is NOT his birthday at all. It was BMW which gave this date when they printed his first autograph cards. And so it remained.
(Translation by yours truly)
2)
ChampCarStats.com recently changed the birth year of Guy Ball from 1890 to 1887 and also claims he died on July 14 instead of July 17, 1974.
Do you have an opinion about that, Richard?
Richie Jenkins
QUOTE (ReWind @ Oct 19 2010, 19:07) *
2)
ChampCarStats.com recently changed the birth year of Guy Ball from 1890 to 1887 and also claims he died on July 14 instead of July 17, 1974.
Do you have an opinion about that, Richard?


Yes, I do. I strongly believe that it's wrong, I'm afraid.

Because I can't easily attach this picture, I've saved it - temporarily for a few days - on the ORC.info website (link below). It's an obituary for Guy Ball, which is pretty conclusive about dates, places and his life. I see no reason why it should be wrong considering it's detail.

http://www.oldracingcars.info/guy-ball-obituary/

Original resaerch from Jim Thurman.

As for Winkelhock, his own site says 1960 - http://www.joachim-winkelhock.de/. I'm happy to change it though if you believe it is solid enough.. how reliable is Motorsport Aktuell? Certainly, he would not be the first to fudge his age...




Richie Jenkins
Latest updates are now up and there's a bit of new information to add (the more notable ones I've detailed below;

2010/2011 Updates
B Bell, Boullier, Carroll, De Silvestro, Franchitti, Grosjean, Heidfeld, Klien, Meira, Pescarolo, de la Rosa, Rahal, Rydell, Sato & J Wilson


WATN updates
Adolff, Antonioli, Ates, Barth, C Burton, De Vizcaya (how he died), Dobson, Durant (An interesting story about his real name, Harkey, E Lang, Keizan, Kuwashima, Matsubara, Robarts,

New Information
Denver - birthplace - His real name is confirmed, year & place. All I need is the full date.

Droeger - death details, plus changed birth details Instead of being 94, he actually died 60 years ago in a plane crash. Sad to think someone thought alive for all these years perished so young cry.gif

Livengood & O'Neal - FULL death details.

Santin - at long last, his birthplace. (Plus WATN info)

Died
T Taylor, Warr

New
A Green, Perez

Changed Information
Farmer - birthyear
F Fox - birth date
Horan - full & correct birthdate - changed year of death
Red Hamilton - changed birth details and he is still alive. His friend has got in contact and he's definitely still with us - there may be more photos and details to come soon

Other
A few drivers were in the wrong categories, including Robert Delno in the F3000 blush.gif That's all been sorted, plus a few extra tidy-ups and current Grand Prix totals updated.

Thanks
Bob Lawrence, Leandro Kojima, Joseph M Horan, Dominic Dobson, Sherry Martin, Kjeld Jessen, Gergely Gabris
Allen Brown
Richard doesn't include a link in his updates so, in case you're wondering where all this good stuff is, it's here:

http://www.oldracingcars.com/drivers/watn/
rateus
Another Indy oldtimer has passed - Sonny Ates RIP cry.gif
http://www.indianaopenwheel.com/showthread.php?t=38550
Richie Jenkins
Post-season, pre-Christmas & last update of 2010 is now up - the illustrated WATN is cracking on - slowly - with almost 1,000 pictures now online, with probably at least another 500 to be loaded - thanks to all for their help so far.

2010/2011 Updates
Angelelli, Badoer, Campos, Carpenter, S Fisher, Fontana, Ghinzani, D Hamilton, Hildebrand, J Howard, Lotterer, Magnussen, O'Connell, Pagenaud, Panis, Piquet Jr, Robertson, Thiessen, Vettel, J Villeneuve Jr, J Wilson

General WATN updates
Abecassis, Artzet, J Brabham, Burgess, M Fox, Gachot, Gloy, Hesketh, Migault, Pankratz, Rupp, Santin,

New Information
Al Gordon - full birth date & birth place

Died
Ates, Swaters & Walkinshaw (the latter has a tribute picture on the front page, something we'll like to keep doing as long as we have the pics available)

New
Walter Grief - belatedly getting his dues at last, thanks to Mike Tanney wave.gif up.gif
Maldonado

Changed Information
Broeker - birthplace
Jim Hill and James R Hill one and the same - birthyear & birthplace added as well, all combined together accordingly.

Other
2010 Grand Prix totals updated to the end of the season

Thanks
David Abecassis, Peter Higham, Russ Creason, Mike Tanney, David McKinney, Leandro Kojima, Maurizio Sandro Sala, Michael Ferner, Tom Gloy, Jim Thurman

All here - http://www.oldracingcars.com/drivers/watn/
Richie Jenkins
Latest updates are up;

2010/2011 Updates
Alesi, Bruni, Caffi, Dixon, Dumas, Guerreri, Giroix, Goosens, Grosjean, Heger, Heywood, Henzler, Hancock, Heylen, Hulkenberg, Karthikeyan, Janis, Lopez, J Leffler, Langhorne, K Nakajima, Mansell, Pastorelli, Piccini, Rangoni, Rosa, J Robinson, Schrader, Schwager, Schneider, Sharp, A Wirth, Yeley


General WATN updates
B Ashmore, Bedard, Brundle, W Brown, Dudley, Delahaye, R Gonzalez, Gentry, Krueger, Kinnunen, Kunzman, Mieres frown.gif , Michner, MacDonald, T Phillips, Ralph, Sauce, Terrien, Weaver

New Information
Cucinotta - more precise birthplace
Frank Farmer - FULL birthdate (W.Virginia birth index)
Foley - FULL birthdetails (New Hampshire death index/British birth index - a surprise!)
Newman - death place
Ori - birthplace
Petrotta - FULL birthdetails
Turner - as per TNF thread

Died
Bucci, Gibson, D Gardner

New
D'Ambrosio, Kimball, Di Resta, Lowe

Changed Information
Jap & Fred Clemens - Jap birthplace & Fred Clemons added to 1911
Faulkner - birthdate (Californian D. Index)
Kalen - changed birth and death details (granddaughter)
Danny Jones - birthdate

Other
Jim Buick also NQ at Indy in 1981 - added

Thanks
Bill Grubin, Joe Yeager, Gergely Gabris, Harold Rader, Judi Dixon, Valerie Clark, Howard Kroplick, John Gentry, Jim Buick, Michael Ferner, Susna Peterson, David Hayhoe and Steve Casper

All here - http://www.oldracingcars.com/drivers/watn/
Allen Brown
Stourbridge man at Indy 500! My old home town would be very proud - if it had ever known!
Gabrci
QUOTE (Richie Jenkins @ Feb 3 2011, 10:22) *
General WATN updates
Mieres frown.gif


An update from a relative from yesterday: "He is delicate not in a tragic way. He is just fragile because age is something even the fastest guy on earth can't avoid."

So Bitito, although not driving anymore, thankfully is still all right for his age.
Richie Jenkins
There will, now Allen has been foolish enough to allow me to do my own updates (bwa ha ha), more regular - but smaller updates on WATN so this time there haven't been many, but important ones will be done more or less shortly after they happen.

Hence this time, Bueno's death and Kubica's accident has been updated, along with changes to Duno's profile, Gugelmin's current status, Lovely's retirement (thanks to his daughter - the information that is, not the retirement! lol.gif), Bruno Senna's new role and likewise for Alex Wurz.

This new type of update will also allow me to probably be a bit able to manage my time better for other projects in the future......

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QUOTE (Richie Jenkins @ Feb 11 2011, 22:55) *
...changes to Duno's profile...

I thought those stories about plastic surgery were false?
Richie Jenkins
Latest updates are up - the first I've done on the site solely by myself, so I've had to check the site is still working.. smile.gif

Most of them are current season updates to which the following below belong;

Agathangelou, Bernoldi, B Bell, Bleekemoleb, Cuquerella, Couto, Conway, Da Matta, Deletraz, Heidfeld, PJ Jones, Junqueira, Leinders, Magnussen, Montagny, Monteiro, Moraes, Rugolo, Symonds, Ro. Sperafico, Servia, Willis and Zonta

Other updates as follows;

Other WATN updates
Alsup, Warwick Brown, Kinnunen

New
Wade Cunningham

Died
Dee Jones

New Information
Graemiger, birth year, corrected birthplace
George Kalen's corrected FULL birth & death details
Marquart - birthplace


I've also tidied up a few entries (Broeker, B Simpson, Bandini) and embellished Wilbur Shaw's as it was a bit lacking for his involvement in the sport.

Thanks
Rewind, F.E. Maxwell, John Siscoe
Richie Jenkins
Apologies for the very overdue update - apologies to some of those listed below. It has been horrendously busy in my real work but from June, I hope to have a lot more time to myself to go back to getting on top of mysteries, photos and new projects.

2011 WATN
Jo. Andretti, Aguas, Annala, Blundell, Belloc, Bjork, Bucknum, Beatriz, Baguette, T Bell, K Brack, Besnard, Bartels, Bourdais, E Cheever, Camara, Coulthard, Camathias, Coughlan, Di Grassi, de Castro, Firman, Fernandez, Frison, Furlan, Figge, Gache, Goudchaux, Gosselin, D & M Halliday, J Howard, Herbert, Herta, Jourdain, Kanaan, Klien, Kinser, Krumm, Kasemets, Liuzzi, Lempereur, Langhorne, Lohr, Lammers, Livio, Mancini, Merzario, Morand, S Mayer, Montanari, Mikola, Pescatori, Policand, Pagenaud, Nakano, Pizzonia, B Rice, Rosa, Rosset, Ranger, Raikkonen, Speed, Sospiri, Salo, Stuck, Saavedta, T Scheckter, Servia, R Schumacher, A Suzuki, Sarrazin, Tuero, Toccacelo, Verdonck, v.d.Poele, Vinella, Wheldon, Watt, Yamamoto

Other WATN
Ader, Artam, P Andrews, J Bell, Beechler, de Ferran, Driver, J Davies, Eyckmans, Filip, Frey, M Ferte, Fama, Herman, B Holland, K Hamilton, Hinnershitz, Helary, Iida, Kite, Katayama, Kurosawa, Keohane, Lehto, Lloyd, McCoy, Moreno, Pollock, Nurminen, Nguyen, N Phillipe, Quester, Rosenblad, R Schmidt, Sostilio, Y Schroeder, J Schroeder, Serra, Snider, Trolle, Tarres, Thomson, Wallard, Zanardi, Schwelm

Died
Lovely, D Ferguson

New Info
Berton C - month & year of birth - corrected birthplace
F Elliot - full death details
C Farmer - changed birthplace
Ginther - changed deathplace
Dee Jones - new deathplace
Massimino - FULL birth and death details
Swaters - changed day of death

New
Hinchliffe, Jakes, Mann & Tung

Other
Cleanyup of recent years
Spellings etc
GP totals + 5 (4 - Liuzzi & Karthikeyan)

Thanks
David Hayhoe, Gergely Gabris, Peter Higham, Rob Driver, Francis Maxwell, Bruce Kennewell, Gary Morgan, John Siscoe, Michael Ferner, Mike Milliken, Elfrida Bechtl

(Thanks all for their patience, especially Francis)
Richie Jenkins
Latest update is up; with 3 mysteries now off the long list.

2011 WATN
A Costa, D Clarke, Cochet, Del Monte, Dracone, J Gene, Giovanardi, Jani, Larini, M Lauda, Matsuura, Pizzonia, Panis, Rosa, Ri. Sperafico, Symonds, Tung, Villeneuve, Wheldon, Wirth, Wickham

Other WATN
Auinger, Caceres , Foyt IV, Gelhausen, Guilpin, D Gurney, Dm Hill, Jarier, Luyendyk Jr, Marques, S Moss, G Morris, Pietsch (now 100 and still going strong), Perkins, Ribbs, Walfisch (quite a change of pace, it must be admitted....), Weyant

Deaths
Bechem


New
Domenicali

New Information
Paul Brown - FULL birth details and WATN
Ray Stokoe - FULL birth details and WATN

Changed Information
Adams - birthdate and place changed, deathplace (of sorts) added
Bonadeo - change of birthplace
Kilpatrick - name, birth and death details totally changed
Orsi - death date
Pearce - full birth details, change of birthplace, year and deathplace

Other
GP totals updated
Indy 500 totals updated and category changes for North American Racers where applicable


Thanks
John Siscoe, Michael Ferner, Jonathan Reynolds, Hamish Robson, Rick Kelly (especially so, with Pearce and Adams)
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