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Geza Sury
After spending more than two and a half years collecting pictures from the Internet, I decided to write them to a CD. (I’ll never offer them for sale as others did!) Whilst sorting out the pictures, in some cases I faced great difficulties identifying the photos. confused.gif I solved a lot of problems, but still there are 25 cases, where I didn’t manage to find out either the driver, the location or the car. I would like to ask the members of TNF to try to identify these pictures. With your help I will be able to complete my collection! Some problems look relatively easy to solve, some promise to be really difficult. Perhaps in the end we will be making interesting revelations! So, let’s go ahead! smoking.gif (You can click each picture for bigger images)

Case#1


Both pictures supposed to have been taken at Imola in 1985. It looks like driver Michele Alboreto used two different types of front wings. Were these pictures really taken during the San Marino GP weekend or during testing perhaps?

Case#2


The captions of these pictures both say: ‘Mario Andretti – South African GP 1972’. Is this true? Did Andretti try the Ferrari 312s with two different types of front wings during the weekend?

Case#3


This is Jean-Pierre Beltoise during the 1972 Belgian GP weekend. Could anybody explain why the ‘Marlboro-BRM’ decals had been replaced with Beltoise’s name?

Case#4


This is Vittorio Brambilla in 1977, but where? Perhaps Fuji or Mosport?

Case#5


The caption says: ‘Jim Clark – Italian GP 1966’. I’ve got no record of Clark racing or even practicing the #20 Lotus there. Perhaps this picture was taken somewhere else?

Case#6


This is similar to the previous case. The captions says: ‘Graham Hill – 1967 German GP.’ According to my sources, Graham never drove the Lotus 49 with #3 on the side of it in a World Championship race. Is this a non-championship race?

Case#7


IIRC I found this picture on Forix. It shows Phil Hill during the 1963 Italian GP weekend. Or does it? I don’t seem to recall seeing this picture of Hill’s A.T.S. before.

Case#8


It’s Phil Hill again, this time in 1966. Or is he? The #30 Eagle-Weslake had been entered for Dan Gurney himself. Is this Hill practicing in Gurney’s car or Gurney wearing a different helmet than his regular black one?

Case#9


This is one of those mysterious Japanese entries. The driver is Kazuyoshi Hoshino, but in which car? The pictures supposed to have been taken during the 1976 Japanese GP weekend. Is this really true?

Case#10


The driver is Denis Hulme, the car is a McLaren. But which one? Perhaps an M19C? Or something completely different?

Case#11


This is Hulme and a McLaren again, obviously an M23. I have no record of Denny using #57 in any World Championship Grand Prix nor practice. Is this a non-championship event?

Case#12


The year is 1983 and the driver is Stefan Johansson in a Spirit Honda Turbo. Both pictures supposed to have taken at Monza. Is this true? According to Mike Lang, there were two Spirit Honda 201s. Did one of them have a white livery and the other a red and blue one?

Case#13


The picture shows Lella Lombardi in the Lavazza March. I suspect it’s a non-championship event since Lella never used #37 in a championship race. So where did this photo had been taken?

Case#14


This is similar to the previous case, Bruce McLaren driving his own car at Brands Hatch. Is this a non-championship race or did Bruce use #34 during practices for the 1968 British Grand Prix?

Case#15


Similar to the previous two. Could this be the 1973 Race of Champions or is this Ronnie Peterson practicing for the 1973 British Grand Prix with this odd starting number?

Case#16


Similar to case#2, two Ferrari 312B2s with a different nose, driver is Clay Regazzoni. He used #6 two times in a World Championship race: in the South African and in the Spanish Grands Prix. To me both pictures look like Jarama. Did he run with two different types of Ferraris during the weekend?

Case#17


Both pictures show Jochen Rindt obviously in a Lotus72. His car sported #6 only once in 1970, that was in Austria. Did Rindt wear two different types of helmets during that weekend?

Case#18


It’s the helmet problem once again, but a difficult one I guess. Both pictures supposed to have been taken at the 1974 Swedish Grand Prix of Bertil Roos. (The name is on the car.) Did he use two helmets with a different colour scheme?

Case#19

Similar to case#12. Both pictures show Huub Rothengatter during the 1984 Dutch Grand Prix weekend. Did he drive two Spirit Harts with a different colour scheme?

Case#20


This is most interesting! AFAIK the six-wheeler March 2-4-0 only competed in hillclimbs, but this picture shows Ian Scheckter driving the car perhaps at Interlagos. (Look at the barrier at the background.) What’s the story behind this picture?

Case#21
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This is Tim Schenken driving a Brabham BT33. According to Steve Small’s ‘Who’s, Who’, the car on the left was the one that helped the Aussie to finish third in the Austrian GP. I very much doubt that! According to Alan Henry’s ‘Brabham, the Grand Prix Cars’, Schenken drove the car with a ‘normal’ nose as seen in the other picture. So what’s the truth? When did Brabham introduce the ‘aerodinamic’ nose?

Case#22
[img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case22/th1.jpg[/img]

The picture shows Marc Surer in an Ensign, but where? Looks like Rio to me, but I’m not sure! What confuses me more is this picture! The paint job behind the driver’s head is different. Did the Ensign team paint over the Columbian flag overnight? (For the full story, click here.)

Case#23
[img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case23/th1.jpg[/img] [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case23/th2.jpg[/img] [img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case23/th3.jpg[/img]

Another of those mysterious Japanese entries! This should be Noritake Takahara’s car, with which he participated in the 1977 Japanese GP. In the first and third picture the starting number is in the middle of the front wing, on the second picture, it is on the right. (This is the case in the photo I’ve found in David Hodges’s ‘Formula Racing Cars’ as well.) Did the Japanese change the position of the starting number during the weekend? Any other suggestions?

Case#24
[img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case24/th1.jpg[/img]

I’m totally puzzled by this picture! confused.gif The caption says: ‘Trevor Taylor – Watkins Glen 1964.’ The starting number fits that idea, though! So it’s like a little 8W smile.gif Who?, Where? What?

Case#25
[img]http://web.agria.hu/gsury/Mystery/case25/th1.jpg[/img]

And finally… a relatively simple case! This picture shows Derek Warwick and his Toleman in 1983. I’m not sure about the scene. Is this Zandvoort or Zeltweg?
Doug Nye
Geza - busy TNF day this - I've been flicking on and off and every time something interesting pops up.

Your No 3 is an early example of tobacco advertising sensitivity - but in this case I think due to clashing sponsorship deals? -

No 5 looks like the classic Monza shot from the gantry on the approach to the Curva Parabolica at the end of the back straight, and it's plainly Jimmy in the H16 BRM-engined Lotus 43 running under 'Geki's Type 33 number during practice -

No 6 looks like Graham in practice at Oulton Park for the 1967 Gold Cup race, but that looks like a roadway in the background which could place the shot as the start of the rise to Ex-Muhle just beyond Adenau Bridge on the Nurburgring...which is odd, 'cos he was race number 4 there and Jim Clark had '3', but Graham did crash in practice and might have taken out Jim's car, I can't recall and won't look it up just now - I'm sure somebody more energetic will -

No 7 is definitely Phil's ATS in the Parabolica at Monza, it's a Geoff Goddard pic presumably therefore used uncredited by Forix??? ( evil.gif ) drunk.gif

No 8 is recognisably Phil in the Eagle-Climax 4-cyl car in the Parabolica at Monza - distinctive sand trap on the outfield -

No 24 looks VERY much like Jim Hall in the BRP Lotus-BRM 24 at Monaco 1963 - note 'Monaco' nose, car is braking on the entry to the Gazometre Hairpin on the harbour-front.

No 25 looks very much like Zandvoort to my eye...

DCN
petefenelon
Originally posted by Geza Sury


The Hoshino '76 car is a Tyrrell 007 (fairly heavily modified, it doesn't look much like Otto Stuppacher's or Pesenti-Rossi's cars to me!) entered by Heros Racing. He qualified a few rows off the back but ran out of tyres in the rain!

pete
Jeremy Jackson
Geza,

Case 10 is Denny's M19A at the 1971 British GP (practice) I don't know if they tried the full-width nose anywhere else, but they dfefinitely ran it here.

Case 11 is Denny at the 1973 race of Champions

Case 13 is Lombardi at the Nürburgring, 1976 GP.

Case 15: Ronnie used no. 41 on the T-car at Silverstone 1973
Ray Bell
Originally posted by Doug Nye
No 6 looks like Graham in practice at Oulton Park for the 1967 Gold Cup race, but that looks like a roadway in the background which could place the shot as the start of the rise to Ex-Muhle just beyond Adenau Bridge on the Nurburgring...


The thought that it could be Oulton Park also occurred to me. But I have no way of saying it is, and it does look like one of those familiar 'ring settings.

No 7 is definitely Phil's ATS in the Parabolica at Monza, it's a Geoff Goddard pic presumably therefore used uncredited by Forix??? ( evil.gif )


John Medley tells about gathering photos for his Bathurst book, and he says that one bloke has photos so identical to ones he took himself that he must have been standing right next to him... both out on the circuit and in the pits. Is it not possible that Geoff Goddard had a companion that day?

No 8 is recognisably Phil in the Eagle-Climax 4-cyl car in the Parabolica at Monza - distinctive sand trap on the outfield -


But Phil never drove an openwheeler in a race after March, 1965...

No 25 looks very much like Zandvoort to my eye...


Agreed... but a less than usual place for a Zandvoort pic.

Some interesting spotting there, Geza... now, for a fresh response...

Rindt had some motion sickness problems and was wont to switch from the Bell Star back to an open face hat at some circuits. I think this explains your 'case 17.' And I'd say the Denny Hulme M23 pic is from a Race of Champions... that is Brands, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong, there isn't really enough background, and this monitor is fading to 'too dark' for me to be able to see the colour of the bitumen.
Roger Clark
Number 5: Clark was entered in number 20 and Geki in 22, but for some reason they changed numbers before the race.
Rainer Nyberg
Case 18 I have sometimes wondered over, as he is using his usual helmet in the Swedish national colours on one pic and a plain white on the other. I am not certain, but the plain white one is probably a borrowed helmet for some reason. I have no other explanation. Both pics are from Anderstorp though.

Case 17 is probably the same case, Rindt probably tried a full face helmet during the weekend?

Case 25 is definately Zandvoort.
dolomite
Case 12: Both cars had the white livery at Silverstone. It's possible that the photo on the right was taken there, or at another race prior to Monza.

Case 13: The car Lombardi is driving is a Brabham BT44, not a March.

Case 20: Looks like testing at Silverstone to me. I don't remember the 6 wheeler ever actually appearing at a GP. I believe the claim of it practicing at Interlagos is entirely spurious.

Case 22: I don't know about the Ensign story, but I can claim to have witnessed the mysterious Ricardo Londono-Bridge in his one and only race in the Colin Bennett Lotus 78 at the 1980 Silverstone Aurora F1 race!
cm50
No 7 Phil Hill, ATS have seen this photo publishe quite a lot.

No 14 Didnt Bruce win the Race of Champions at Brands in this car. Not sure of the number
Geza Sury
Thank you everybody for help and comments so far! TNF is simply unbeatable up.gif

I would like to reply to some of your comments:

Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
Case 13 is Lombardi at the Nürburgring, 1976 GP.
I also thought that, but according to Forix he used #33 there. Dolomite is right, it's not a March, but a Brabham BT44B without the high airbox.

Originally posted by dolomite
Case 20: Looks like testing at Silverstone to me.
The Hoshino '76 car is a Tyrrell 007 (fairly heavily modified, it doesn't look much like Otto Stuppacher's or Pesenti-Rossi's cars to me!)
Makes more sense than my original thought of Interlagos. It could be Silverstone, but could it be another British track? Can someone identify the track from the barrier in the background?

Originally posted by dolomite
The Hoshino '76 car is a Tyrrell 007 (fairly heavily modified, it doesn't look much like Otto Stuppacher's or Pesenti-Rossi's cars to me!)
It's definately a Tyrrell, but did Hoshino run with two different types of front wing in Japan?
Geoff E
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Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
Case 13 is Lombardi at the Nürburgring, 1976 GP.
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I also thought that, but according to Forix he used #33 there. Dolomite is right, it's not a March, but a Brabham BT44B without the high airbox.



"He" was the only woman to score WC points (actually half a point, Spain 1975). She was dropped by March after the first race in 1976 and, despite several qualifying attempts in a Brabham, drove in only one more GP (Austria).
Jeremy Jackson
[QUOTE]I also thought that, but according to Forix he used #33 there. QUOTE]

According to my sources, including Sheldon, she raced no. 37. There wasn't a no.33 in the entry. Or maybe it was changed from 33 to 37?
eldougo
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Case 1 According to GPI magazine photo S Johansson has an angled back front wing
taken during the race ,so maybe M.Alboreto tryed it also on saturday. An that
is definately the IMOLA pits with the yellow fencing. up.gif
BRG
In case #1, I think the pictures are not of the same car. In addition to the front wing, there is a small sticker on the bottom front corner of the sidepod of the car pictured in the pitlane (left hand pic) which does appear in the other picture. Was the spare car used at Imola that year?
eldougo
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Case 12 GPI magazine says White car is the original F2 car chassis turned into F1 1983
an the red /white /blue car is 1984 the 1st real SPRIT -HONDA f1 car. up.gif
Jeremy Jackson
These are both 1983 chassis - the car was Hart-powered in 1984. The 1983 Spirit was red/white/blue by the time of the European GP at Brands, not sure when it changed.

For what it's worth the red/white/blue photo looks like Monza, not convinced that the white car is - How about Germany or Austria?
Rob Ryder
Originally posted Jeremy Jackson

Case 15: Ronnie used no. 41 on the T-car at Silverstone 1973

I can vouch for this because I took the photograph wink.gif wave.gif

Rob
275 GTB-4
Unless I'm very much mistaken (and I often am!!)

Case 1 can be found in Australia being very carefully punted around (for example) Eastern Creek HSRCA meetings in September. Oh what I would give to change places with Guido!! rolleyes.gif
Vrba
Case 17:
Rindt had number 6 in Austria but he had it in France as well. However, the yellow sticker on the rear wing endplate tells that both pics were taken in Austria....Also, in France, there were GKN and Shell stickers while in Austria GKN and that yellow strip were present.
So, both pics are definitly from Austria. Rindt switched several times between those two helmets during 1970, probably according to weather conditions. Therefore, it's nothing unusual to see him with both during the same weekend.

Hrvoje
Ray Bell
As I posted earlier, Rindt was having problems with motion sickness with the Bell Star... that was reported in race reports.
Rob Ryder
Now I am back home with my books, my contribution...


Case #6
Saturday morning practice at the Nurburgring in 1967 (as DCN says). Motor Sport magazine has Hill out in Clark's car ( 49/R2).

Case #12
The Spirit changed from the all white livery to red/white/blue at Zandvoot in 1983. The picture in white livery is from Hockenheim in 1983 (I think).

Case #14
Bruce McLaren during Friday morning practice for the 1968 British at Brands. Motor Sport magazine has him using No.34 for this session only

Case #19
This is the reply I got from Hans Hulsebos (who took one of the pictures) when I contacted him last year.....

"Yes, the Spirit of Rothengatter was painted orange indeed, but only for the race. The pictures are all taken during Friday and/or Saturday practice/qualifying when the car was in it's usual white paint. Imagine my surprise on race-morning when I saw the car suddenly painted orange. I haven't got any pictures from the race, because I had a grandstand ticket for that. Great to watch the race but not for taking pictures."

Case #21
1971 Autocourse - A photograph of Schenken in the wide nosed Brabham at Osterreichring, so Steve Small looks correct. The second picture of Tim in No.8 is from the 1971 British at Silverstone.


I hope this helps...

Rob
Geza Sury
Wow Rob, a big thank you to you clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif This is simply great up.gif

Originally posted by Rob Ryder
[B]Case #21
1971 Autocourse - A photograph of Schenken in the wide nosed Brabham at Osterreichring, so Steve Small looks correct. The second picture of Tim in No.8 is from the 1971 British at Silverstone.
[/B]

In this case, Alan Henry is wrong! I said we'd find interesting things wink.gif
Chris Townsend
The lissome Lella Lombardi ran no.37 at the German GP 1976.
Brabham BT44. DNS with a practice time of 7.51.1.
Didn't make the race because the RAM team's cars were impounded following
legal action by Loris Kessel. Stommelen, who was originally entered by RAM
took over the spare works car and finished 6th.
Sir Frank
Originally posted by Rob Ryder
Case #12
The Spirit changed from the all white livery to red/white/blue at Zandvoot in 1983. The picture in white livery is from Hockenheim in 1983 (I think).


The white car is surely not Monza, there are no left handers like that at Monza, the only left hander is Ascari which is different looking.
It could be Hockenheim, after the exit of Sachs Kurve.

Nem kis munkát fejezel be az biztos! up.gif
Roger Clark
Forgive me if somebody has already mentioned this; #3 is not the 1972 Belgian GP, but the 1973 German GP.
Geza Sury
Once again, thanks everybody for your valuable help! up.gif

Originally posted by Roger Clark
Forgive me if somebody has already mentioned this; #3 is not the 1972 Belgian GP, but the 1973 German GP.

Roger, do you know the story behind this picture? Was tobacco advertising already forbidden in Germany at that time?
Roger Clark
Originally posted by Geza Sury
Once again, thanks everybody for your valuable help! up.gif


Roger, do you know the story behind this picture? Was tobacco advertising already forbidden in Germany at that time?


The following is from the Autosport race report:

"Because of a voluntary (lest it be compulsory) ban on tobacco advertising in the Bundesrepublik, certain teams appeared in modified livery. Every reference to the Evil Weed had to be removed from cars, transporters, uniforms, even minibikes, thus great yawning gaps appeared in certain well-planned colour schemes - sometimes to their aesthetic advantage! More yards of tape were used this weekend in covering up names than ever have been seen holding race cars together"


and this in Motor Sport:

"Those teams sponsored by tobacco companies had some real time-wasting work to do, for the German Government had decreed that there would be no form of tobacco advertising at the Grand Prix, with the result that BRM, Lotus, Williams and Graham Hill had to erase their sponsors' names from the cars, the transporters, the drivers' and mechanics' overalls, the team personnel clothing and so on. The stripping of the power of John Player, Marlboro and Embassy was as a result of pressure applied br German tobacco firms who do not approve of racing or any other sports, and the German Government gave support to their faction. In consequence Fittipaldi and Peterson were entered by JPTL and were driving JPS, Graham Hill was entered by E. Racing and was driving a Shadow, Ragazzoni, Beltoise and Lauda were driving BRM cars entered by BRM of Bourne, and Frank Williams entered two ISO cars driven by Ganley and Pescarolo. As I have always considered a Lotus 72 to be a Lotus 72, a BRM to be a BRM and Frank Williams' cars to be Williams Specials, the whole scene in Germany bore some resemblance to reality."
Ray Bell
Originally posted by Roger Clark
.....The stripping of the power of John Player, Marlboro and Embassy was as a result of pressure applied br German tobacco firms.....


The ultimate irony!

So today everyone pays, of course... especially enthusiasts with a notion that tradition plays a part, and that the grand circuits of the past deserve special consideration.
JtP
Haven't worked through the rest yet, but pic 6 is Hill in Clark's 49 in last practise session Nurburgring 67. Hill had crashed his own car so many times that it was suddenly realised that he had not completed enough laps to qualify for the race. He was given a loan of Clark's car, with much begging that he bring this one back in one piece.

Part of Hill's problems stemmed from overcooled brakes, the 49 running the original exposed ventilated discs. Lotus swapped over to non ventilated solid discs after this race to maintain brake temperature with racing pads.


Pic 11 of Hulme. I wonder if this could be Hulme's last GP, the US of 74. Hulme's car broke down early in the race and he pulled into the pits. Climbing out the car from his much shortened last race, Hulme spies the spare McLaren sitting there ready to go. So Denny true to character, climbs in a drives off and completes around 10 laps before the organisers realise they have an extra car not on the starting line up. Denny gets black flagged pulls into the pits laughing his head off.

Can you imagine Nax's reaction to something like that today.
Geza Sury
Thank You Roger and JtP clap.gif

Most of the cases have been solved now. What remains unclear is Case#2, Case#4, Case#16, Case#22 and Case#23. I know these are difficult ones to solve except for the Ferrari pictures! I'm surprised no-once has come up with the solution confused.gif
dolomite
Case 16 the picture on the left looks like Kyalami to me, whereas the other one looks more like Jarama.
Case 22 is surely the wet race at Rio '81.
Roger Clark
#2: At Kyalami: Andretti practiced with a narrow nose, but raced with a wide one.

#16: At Jarama Ferrari tried both noses in practice, but raced with narrow ones.
Geza Sury
I found the solution for Case #8, the Phil Hill mystery. It's indeed Phil driving the car! The very same picture has appeared in Tim Considine's 'American Grand Prix Racing' book. The quote beside the picture is:
Look closely. It's Phil Hill practicing the four-cylinder Eagle at Monza in 1966. Gurney had the untested Weslake V12 in an Eagle for the first time at the Italian Grand Prix, but entered the four-cylinder just in case. Though he was by no means through racing, it would be the last time the American Champion Hill would ever drove a Formula One car in a Grand Prix weekend. Appropriotely, it was Monza, where Hill had became the first American to win a Formula One race and where he won again in 1961, to clinch the World Championship.

It seems that the starting numbers of AAR were reversed during the weekend, because the picture mentioned above clearly shows the Climax-engined car despite it has #30 on the bodywork. Gurney drove the Weslake-engined car with this number in the race.
G Lentz
RE: Your photo #20
Having worked at March in 1976, the 6 wheeler shown certainly didn't go to Interlagos.......we did try running it a couple of times at Silverstone, but no "Fly-Away" races.

some very interesting photos....
Mallory Dan
G Lentz

Interesting to hear that, who drove (Ganley ??) and what did he think of it. Who else drove it in testing, do you remember. Having worked at March at that time, I guess you've some very interesting stories, care to tell us any !!

Dan
G Lentz
I worked out of the March shop that was in Reading (formerly the Chris Amon engine shop) from where we ran the F1 cars for Stuck and (a couple of times) Merzario. The main factory at Bicester is where the F1 cars for Brambilla and Peterson were run from, in addition to the development and the new "bits"................I never went on any of their testing outings with the 6 wheeler, but it's not my recollection that it ever got close to competitive speeds and/or reliability-or you can bet your bottom dollar that we would have run it!
conjohn
Originally posted by JtP
Pic 11 of Hulme. I wonder if this could be Hulme's last GP, the US of 74. Hulme's car broke down early in the race and he pulled into the pits. Climbing out the car from his much shortened last race, Hulme spies the spare McLaren sitting there ready to go. So Denny true to character, climbs in a drives off and completes around 10 laps before the organisers realise they have an extra car not on the starting line up. Denny gets black flagged pulls into the pits laughing his head off.

Can you imagine Nax's reaction to something like that today.


I hate to be the one to spoil a good story, but the Bear didn't pull this stunt at his last Grand Prix. He did it, however, at the German GP some two months before, when he did 2 laps in Emmo's spare car, with 5T, after having put his own no. 6 in the guardrail avoiding a stationary team mate.

His final race was a much quieter affair as this report in Autosport indicates:
The luck of the day caught up to Denny Hulme first. After but four laps his engine blew up. He packed his bag and, with the race still going on all sides, hustled himself over to a helicopter. He left no message, no statement, but a photographer intercepted him on his way. "Denny, what about it? Tell us." "Yeah", said Dennis Clive Hulme over his shoulder. "I'm retired." The photographer said he was smiling broadly.
Jeremy Jackson
... and someone (OK, it was me) had rather earlier decided where the photo was anyway...
Case 11 is Denny at the 1973 race of Champions
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WDH74
For #22, it sure looks like its raining out, or else Surer's having mechanical difficulties. That may narrow it down a smidge. For #23, the nosecone looks different between the left hand and center pictures-there are deflectors in front of the front wheels on the left pic, the are not there (or are shorter) in the center pic. I think there may have been two nosecones used during the course of the weekend.

Just guessin'!
-William
conjohn
Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
... and someone (OK, it was me) had rather earlier decided where the photo was anyway...
quote:
Case 11 is Denny at the 1973 race of Champions
;)

...as can be seen by the livery, Yardley in 1973 and Texaco-Marlboro in 1974... but I was really just commenting on the story of the Bear switching cars mid-race...
alain_sl
for case#12:
the left photo was taken at Monza, you can see the Kelemata logos on the rear wing.
the right photo may be from Zeltweg as the Marlboro letters are present on the stickers (none in GermanY).
Roly
Geza

Case 19

Indeed did Rothengarter race in the Orange car and only on raceday.
I acualy see this car race, it was my very first race I ever see.

Case 22

The picture you show is not the same as what is in the story you refer to in the link.
In this link you see a 1983 Arrows with a for me unknown driffer, although in the 1 picture you link to it is Surer in the same car.

Roland
Kojima_KE007
Originally posted by Geza Sury

It's definately a Tyrrell, but did Hoshino run with two different types of front wing in Japan?



Case #5
It definately is a Tyrrell 007 chassis number 05 driven by Kazuyoshi Hoshino at 1976 F1 Grand Prix in Japan and it only run at that Grand Prix in that form (with sports car nose). The same chassis was later run by Kunimitsu Takahashi at following year's Japanese Grand Prix with a wing nose, similar to the one in the middle in a different colour.

Case#23
The pictures with numbers in the middle of its nose are probably taken during testing or practice session for 1977 Japanese Grand Prix.

The one with the number in the middle is probably taken during the morning worm-up session.

If you look at the sides of the nose very closely, you will see that the nose are different in terms of its shape between the ones with the number on the side and in the middle.

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Mallory Dan
Pretty sure no 22 is Surer at the opening 81 race (Argentina ?) when he finished 4th in the old Ensign. Great result, he also got it into the top 6 a few races later, and got the Theodore drive as a result. Salazar bought the Ensign drive soon after, and also went fairly well.
aldo
Re Case 8, I do think that I can add something, after looking at the photos I took in those Monza 1966 days.
The official grid lists Phil Hill, Eagle-Climax no. 34 as a reserve, together with Chris Amon.
I don't have evidence that he actually started and (I apologize for that) I don't remember all the details of the race any longer.
In practice, on Friday, Dan drove both the Climax and the brand new Weslake cars, then he qualified using the Weslake car no. 30.
I'll post some scan of the photos I took during practice showing Dan at the wheel of both cars, yet I don't have photos of Phil driving no. 34/30. I don't even remember to have seen him on Friday.

The start number swap could be explained with Dan having already qualified at the wheel of the Climax no. 34 car, therefore he had to change the start number to let Phil qualify with the same car. Then, he felt confident enough with the Weslake car (no. 30) to drive it in the race, therefore Phil went back to no. 34 for the Climax car. In those years it wasn't uncommon to play such tricks.
In that same race, Giancarlo Baghetti was entered by Tim Parnell with one of the two old junks used for filming the Grand Prix movie : he had no. 44, while Chris Amon had no. 42. He was so slow that Enzo Ferrari, watching him, ordered for the 246-engined car to be brought immediately from Maranello to Monza. On Saturday and in the race, Baghetti drove the Ferrari with the same no. 44.

While I concede that Phil's photo had to have been taken at Monza, I still have some doubts about the actual location. If my memory supports me well, after 1965 Spichinger's fatal accident, not only the gravel escape space was built on the outside of Parabolica, but photographers were no longer allowed to stay on the inside green and shoot photos like that. Furthermore, I don't remember any Bardhal ad in Monza and, also, looking at the photo, even if taken through a telephoto, the fence is too close to the track. The only other corner looking similar was Lesmo first, yet without the gravel on the outside.
Geza Sury
Thanks everybody for your inputs especially Kojima and Aldo up.gif Aldo, I certainly would like to see your photos and I guess I'm not alone wink.gif
aldo
Sorry for the long delay: my four photos of Gurney's Eagles at Monza GP 1966 are at last available at
www.aisastoryauto.it/Pub/index.htm

From there one can open the four images or one can go directly to each photo at:
www.aisastoryauto.it/Pub/Foto8.Jpg
and changing the digit 8 into 9, 10, 11.

Hope you'll enjoy the photos.
Twin Window
Originally posted by Geza Sury
Roger, do you know the story behind this picture? Was tobacco advertising already forbidden in Germany at that time?
As others have already said; under the 'volountary agreement' it was 'banned' in Germany before anywhere else, starting with their 1972 GP.

And these days, thirty-odd years later, it is now banned in the vast majority of countries (regardless of whether they host GPs or not).

Except - obviously - in Germany, when their GP is held at Hockenheim! eek.gif

Twinny smoking.gif (because I do)
Jodum5
The above photos, my friends, is why im an undying fan of F1. Even though I know very little about anything pre monza 2002 (when I first bothered to look up this series and found the results of an F1 race), pictures like Yardley Mclaren love.gif , the ferarri in Case 1 and petersen in the lotus at silverstone give me the chills. Its just beautiful.

up.gif Thanks for the pics up.gif
renzo_zorzi
sorry to revive this thread but i stumbled across and can give info in some cases.

case 12: blue/red/white spirit-honda is definitely monza. white one is austria. me beeing austrian i do remember johanssons spirit fighting lauda in his last mclaren-cosworth drive for 6th place. the cigarette-sponsorship was the revealing detail as mentioned above - allowed in austria, but not at hockenheim.

rindt driving the lotus : both pix are from zeltweg/austria. second one with him wearing goggles is from the race.

tim schenken indeed drove the wide-nose brabham in the 71-race at zeltweg/austria.
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