picblanc
Mar 29 2007, 22:18
I took this at Lydden Hill on 24th March 2007, Petterbuilt tractor and trailer being used by sidecar team Tony Green And Colin Two, sorry its not car related but was quite a suprise to see it in darkest Kent!!
Picture copyright Graham Etheridge, racebikepics,
gentlemen,
A nice and clean picture of restored transporters here ,
http://www.historicmotorsportshow.com/edit...ge_6a_Clean.jpg
maybe other ones on this site .First time I see this ELVA.
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 5 2007, 16:12

thanks to guru , picblanc (what an enormous transporter for a side car , but impressive) and tarpon (the Elva van can be seen on the Elva site in bw)
schlepper
Apr 12 2007, 03:39
This very nicely restored Mercedes was at the 2007 Amilia Island Concours. Unfortunately the weather conditions of bright sunshine in a cloudless sky were perfect for spectating but the worst possible for photographing expensive paint work.
If the wicker baskets on the shelf in the cab don't serve an obvious purpose, then what are they?
btw, I have many pictures of Carrera Panamericana entrants and 30's Alfas that were both featured at the event if anyone is interested.
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ghinzani
Apr 12 2007, 07:12
Schlepper - the baskets - lunch perhaps? What an amazing Merc tho, built in sleeper like a pantechnicon, the Germans really would not slum it, would they!
Picblanc - thats a whole lot of Truck for a sidecar indeed, I'm always slightly worried when I see teams with dispraportionate transporters but then again if its an age related plate an early 80s Peterbilt should'nt be that expensive - altho if it is the correct age that dog box and aero fairing are surely add ons?
guru_1071 - thats what transporters are all about! Classic, has it got a couple of the original coach seats for mechanics to sit on en route to the tracks?
sterling49
Apr 12 2007, 07:22
So that would be the transporter that regularly visited Brands? Absolutely gorgeous, love the car on the back also, pristine white, 910?
Sterling
chuckbrandt
Apr 12 2007, 11:21
Those baskets look helmet sized to me, maybe drivers gear, helmet gloves etc.
CDB
Originally posted by guru_1071
hello transporter fans.
heres a photo of 'big william', the restoration is progressing well - still a fair way to, but did manage a short road test last weekend
not ready for the start of this season though.......
The Italian Job VAL is here
http://www.bedfordgathering.com/wakefield/bedfordval.htm
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 12 2007, 15:51

Hey fellows , if you are building models or want to , or just want to see exactly how they looked , Mike Sells has some impressive building plans on Cobra ,Ecosse, Mercedes, Maserati, Ferrari,Alfa , Lotus ,Auto Union, Bud Moore , Porsche UDT/Mecom etc. transporters.
jmsells@ideaone.net
wobblyweb
Apr 13 2007, 17:58
A Friend snet me this photo of a 1966 Brabham Transporter.
RA Historian
Apr 13 2007, 23:50
I'll bet Bjorn would have killed to have been there!
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 14 2007, 16:41
Not quite , but it would have been nice to hear that noisy car!
Wim , fine pics , and it would be nice to have a history of Vredesteins involvement in motor racing through times ??????? And perhaps a couple of V vans or trucks for the Supply and sponsor vehicle thread ?
Thanks to all others lately for good pictures!.
Kind Regards Bjørn
1413 WD Sebring Sprite reg 1.5.61 midnight blue prepared for BMC publicity dept at the request of Ecurie Ecosse.
At Le Mans that year driven by Ninian Sanderson and Bill McKay who crashed in the 3rd hr in a rainstorm. Roy lane bought the wreck from the Healeys and repaired it himself . In recent years restored by someone in Essex then sold to Canada, however apparently there is doubt as to whether the ch. plate is affixed to the same car which raced at Le Mans and Sebring according to John Sprinzel's book 'Spritely Years '..........So is the car on the transporter 'The Car' or a replica ?
The story about this transporter:
TRANSPORT OF DELIGHTS by Paul Hardiman
the car on top is not the same as on the pics in the story,but i don't know if it is the original one.
Vredestein is just sponsoring some races like:
the wintertrial
Graham Gauld
Apr 14 2007, 19:40
Reference the Sebring Sprite the Canadian owner was actually American and a former regular contributor to this Forum, Ron Scoma, as it was through this that I first met him and I took him to the Scottish Motor Racing Club dinner in Edinburgh about twenty years ago. I believe it was he who sold the remains to Dick Skipworth.
Ron has dropped off the face of the earth. I last had dinner with him and his French girlfriend in Antibes about three years ago. He went back to the US having left his Maserati broken down in a French garage and has not been in touch since.
RA Historian
Apr 15 2007, 03:29
I talked to Ron last year at a bench racing dinner in suburban Milwaukee. He was there with Mike Argetsinger. Ron has had a bit of bad health, but has lost weight and was feeling well then. I hope he reads this and gets back in touch!
Tom
oldclassiccar
Apr 16 2007, 11:24
After years of dry storage, and an enforced housemove so that we could accomodate the big old girl at our property (instead of relying on others people's hangars, barns etc), the old Dodge set sail last Friday to a local restoration shop, where hopefully things will begin to happen in earnest.
It wants doing properly, so that hopefully it'll look like it did back in the early 50s once more:
DCN, if you read this, did you ever stumble across those piccies that you said you had of it? ta
Rick
guru_1071
Apr 16 2007, 14:15
thats a beast!
very 'dads army'!
good luck with the resto - my beast has taken ages and its good to see someone else as daft (ahem, sorry enthusiastic!) as me for the old beasts
big up the transporter massive!
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 16 2007, 16:18
I have seen some film footage from the GB GP 1960. Many transporters , but I am too dumb to post
them. However one curious thing I noticed was.: In 1960 when Scarab got their 2 axle Fiat Bartoletti 2 stage open transporter, thats the one later referred to when at Cobra and several others in 3 axle model , before and after the withdravel of Scarab from F1 it is said that the car was at Lotus! Funny thing is I noticed no Lotus transporter in the film clip , but the Scarab was there , but Scarab did not enter or race ! So , it might be true that Lotus used it , at least once , and then later of course it went back to Italy!
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 18 2007, 04:52
The site McKlein Photography shows a pictiure of one of the Ford Mk.IVs for the LM trial in 1967.
It is on an open 4 wheel trailer behind a grey (?) Ford Transit . That combination was also used by FAV when delivering Mk IIs for LM , anyone know if the IVs were transported the same way for the actual race at LM in 67 ?????
Found this one
MORRIS 3 TON HISTORIC RACING CAR TRANSPORTER Reg Number: 228 YMH
Chassis Number: 9423
Engine Number: 40K/0/421653
Built by WESTLAKE
History of the vehicle: First built by NORMAND COACH builders of Park Royal London for NORMAND RACING. This was built for there NORMAND LOTUS 22B, which were used and driven by MIKE BECKWITH and Jim Clark. After this the Transporter was brought by PETER SELLER (Actor, Pink Panther) RACING Ltd, this was his racing team. His racing team was managed y THEO COWAN and with BARRIE HART as his one driver. Later after that the Transporter was passed to FRANK COSTIN and used by PAUL PYCROFT.
http://silicon.fastnet.co.uk/specialist-ca...r=&cid=143&sp=4
Found on the Costins.net forum
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 18 2007, 15:16
On the McKlein Photography site under 1961 Monaco is a Cooper on a trailer behind a Stationcar , any Idea who that is ?
Post 860 is a Fordson 7V pre 1947
olddude2
Apr 19 2007, 03:01
Reference post #954, Porsche Race Transporter.
I was envolved in the restoration and the wicker baskets were not part of the deal. The currrent owner (Brumos Racing) added them. Probably carried snacks! The Brumos people do everything at a very high quality level and probably thought that the wicker baskets were a good, period correct, way to carry misc. items. I think they are kind of neat.
The Amelia Concours sign is not technically correct. Mercedes offered a "Cut Off" version of their city and highway buses. Porche purchase three of them. They were delivered to the Schenk truck body company, who them built them to a design provided by Porsche. The red and white sticker visible in one of the side view photos is the Schenk sticker.
You comented about the paint job and that is an interesting story. When the restoration was nearly finished and it was time to arrange for the painting a new problem came up. The original paint scheme included painting of the top. The truck/trailer paint shop that had been originally scheduled to do the work couldn't paint the top. While they regularly painted tractor trailers, their paint booth was not tall enough to paint the top. It seems that none of the tractor trailers have painted tops. It was necessary to take it to an airplane paint shop. Since the paint shop normally painted multi million dollar jets, the quality of the paint job (and price) was well beyond what normally would be expected.
rhegra
Apr 19 2007, 07:04
Hi olddude2, very interesting your information about the three Porsche transporters delivered by Schenk to them. This corresponds with the known three different german license-plates of the maroon-coloured Porsche transporters (in Germany its nearly impossible to change license-plates on a car that doesn´t change ownership and goes to another city at the same time). But there is no picture of the three of them known? One went to JW in ´69 or ´70 and came back to Porsche (?) (one of the white Martinis carries Gulf-blue paint behind the backdoors in the early 80ies (the former JW?)- the other one was maroon in these spots). Even at Le Mans 1970 in the paddock there are only two of them seen - the Gulf-JW and one of the maroons. In the (white)Martini-, the Essex- and Rothmans-times there are also always only two of them used by Porsche. Do you know about the third? Did Porsche sell it in the early 70ies? (maybe it went later on to Marko?). Would be great if you could give some more information.
Papiyv
Apr 19 2007, 07:36
Bonjour ,
About post 972 , I found this picture from own collection ,
Le Mans 1971 , April preliminary test days .
Truck with COSTIN AMIGO HART N°95 .
Papiyv .
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 19 2007, 15:44
The above car is a Morris 3 ton with a 4liter engine 1960 model. Mike Beckwith was an empoyee at Normand in 1962 and he convinced Normand to sponsor his racing. They did and build him this car for transport. In 1963 Normand entered as a team(F3, Sports and last F2) with Beckwith and Heghbourne untill 66, when Preter Sellers (F3) took over the car. Years later Costin Automotive Racing Products of Little Staughton, Beds (se pic) took over and it was used in their name by Paul Pycroft de Ferranti . The pic is LM3 hours 1971 where the car retired with a wheel problem. The remains of the car was on e-.bay last year in a sorry state minus front end and engine.
Tarpon
Apr 19 2007, 19:48
Unfortunately ,we have no pictures of these "3 " transporters together,they have not been reported to be seen .The "RENNTRANSPORTER" book show the team Porsche at the beginning with only 2 renntransporters and the small 608 Mercedes which was seen with Martini ,Gulf,ESSEX and Porsche liveries.There is a story about the rebuilding of 1 Transporter ,after wreckage which can explain the third license plate.
Another question about the type of bus used;generally it is said that SCKENCK used 602 chassis ,but the face of the transporter is like a 317.When these trucks were built ,317 were out of production for 4 years....
Brumos has ONE transporter ,where is the other one ?
rhegra
Apr 20 2007, 06:14
Hi Trapon, where can I find the story you mentioned about the rebuilding after wreckage?
As far as I know the O317 was built by Mercedes from 57 to 72 or 74, as pure chassis it was available till 76.
olddude2
Apr 20 2007, 15:39
Ref: Porsche Rennsport Transporters,
As part of the team that restored the vehicle seen at Amelia Island, I am able to answer some of the questions. Unfortunately my files with all of the research and background information are now in a document stporage facility. We have recently moved and have not yet constructed the new building with the office. For safe keeping we have over 150 file boxes with my 50 year collection of car documents and automobilia temporarily in a enviornmentally controlled storage unit. I will therefore answer some of the questions from memory and the few documents, I have in hand.
There definately were 3 Mercedes chassis/Porsche transporters. When this one was acquired from the Porsche Racing Department, a second one was also sold. It now resides in California and is in unrestored condition. We were told by Porsche that the third one had been sold a number of years prior, to a private German racing team. After it became too rusty to pass TUV inspection, it was scrapped. When John Wyer Automotive Engineering (Gulf Racing) got the 917 contract, they recieved 2 of them and painted them blue and orange. The third stayed with Porsche in the burgandy color. Someplace there exists a photo of the LeMans paddock in 1970 showing the one transporter still in the burgandy color. I think it was used by the Porsche Salzburg team for their entries (and their winning car, the red #23 917). Some photos show that JW Automotive used their old English transporters for LeMans.
The Mercedes chassis used was the 317. In fact, I still have copies of the "Kraftfahrzeugbrief" and it shows the "Typ" as "0 317". The "Fabrinummer" starts out "317.234-10-.........". I believe the "234" means that this chassis was sold as a "cutoff", i.e. the only body work was the front part. It is my recollection that this is how it was shown in the parts book that I no longer have. It went to Brumos. The engine was a type 346 Mercedes diesel. It was a 6 cylinder engine, laying on it's side in the center of the chassis, i.e. half way between the front and rear axles.
I understand that the hydraulic lift gate was one of the first used on a race car transporter. We had a tough time getting it to work properly. It moved up and down quite quickly and with the balky slides, one side or the other would get ahead. The mechanism for leveling it consisted of a valve to bleed off the hydraulic pressure on one side.
Another interesting feature on the one we restored was a provision to make the attachment points on the cables on the lift gate be further apart. The handle on the sliding shaft can be seen in the photo in the post by Schlepper that shows the 910. I understand that this was done to provide clearance for the wider body on the 917 "Pig" that Porsche ran at leMans in 1971.
Someday, when I again have access to my files, I will post more information and maybe some photos of the restoration process.
Tarpon
Apr 20 2007, 18:14
About Porsche Transporters;
You are true ,in 1970 ,Porsche has one Burgandy transporter in the paddock of 24H,J.Wyer has one Mercedes too in Gulf livery ,but only one ,an other gulf is the AEC (as seen on LE MANS mc queen,we have a clear wiew of the paddock)),there is no other one and nobody has picture of two gulf mercedes .I have never seen at 24 H THREE MERCEDES transporters together like the Porsche MERCEDES
We ave pictures of 9003 and 2187 together as Martini,YZ32 and 2187 as PORSCHE ,BRUMOS has 2187and you said that the other is in California.
But the mystery is not closed ,we have no picture of these three transporters together ,from the factory or elsewhere ,....YZ32 could have been rebuilt as 9003 after a crash ....that makes 3 transporters but two at the same time.
About the underframe ,all the informartions I had were about 302 ,but as you say ,only 307 had underfloor engine,302 was front or rear
Many thanks for these informations.
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 22 2007, 08:42
On the
www.forum-auto.com - Forum Auto - Forum Automobile Pratique - Modelisme et modeles reduit - 1/43 me is a thread : (1/43) Camions Porsche , wich contains many , also others Porsche transporters.
rhegra
Apr 23 2007, 10:35
Indeed very interesting information about the Porsches, olddude and Tarpon, thanks a lot. The story of two of them at JW is very interesting. If you take a closer look at the photos of 1976 Le Mans at the Martini-fan web site you´ll see that 9003´s (the one with the Martini-Logo in front) backdoors and loading space is Gulf-blue, 2187 (the one with the Martini-belts in front) is maroon and white. Even in Essex-times you can see these different colours of the backs.
So I think it´s clear that one (or the) transporter lent to JW in 70 and 71 (together with a small Mercedes 608 too as you can see at the auto-forum site) is the later 9003.
But the foto in "french kiss with death" shows (one of) the JW-Mercedes had YZ 32. So again - one or two at JW... or YZ 32 had an accident (any proofs for this, Tarpon?) in 71 to 76 and was rebuilt as 9003. 9003 and YZ 32 are identically in one small detail (except of the different Logos and the mirrors) that can´t be changed easily - take a look at the hold in the middle of the two front windows - at YZ 32 and 9003 it´s above the window-line fixed at the window frame between the two windows, at 2187 its lower fastening is fixed under this line at the metal. So again - YZ 32 and 9003 are identically ? and both of them were lent to JW, one got back to Porsche (9003) and the other one was sold or lent to another german race-team (in 1973 an identical looking 0307 can be seen at the Nurburgring-paddock painted white with the stripes of BMW-Motorsport). In 1980 (as the two Porsches had Essex-livery or only X- (left from the EsseX-livery) such a transporter can be seen used by Helmut Marko at the Norisring (still with the BMW-painting at the front-doors (and a gulf-blue painting underneath the backdoors???) - so this one shouldn´t be one of the ones used by Porsche in 76/77.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980...-06-22p-088.jpg
So I think there were indeed three different (Porsche-like)transporters in those times between 1973 and the 1980ies - two all the times at Porsche (or Wyer) and the one Marko used in 1980 (maybe the former YZ 32? - because YZ 32 dissappeared after JW?).
M 2187 stayed all the times at Porsche and was painted maroon, not Gulf-blue and orange! (it´s the maroon one seen near a 71 Gulf-917 LH), silver (martini), white (martini), in Essex- in ....X- and in Rothmans-livery.
And the other one(s)? I personally think it is the old 9003 of 1969. But this mystery has to be solved.
By the way olddude - in the "Fahrzeugbrief" there should be the date of "Erstzulassung" (date of first road registration) - this could be helpful (I think 2187 was produced a little bit later than the other ones...)
By the way - silly what grown-up men are thinking about... (but in Germany we say - if kids play they are healthy...)
olddude2
Apr 23 2007, 14:42
Ref: Porsche Transporters
To answer your last question first, the Kraftfahrzeugbrief shows that it was issued 1 Aptil 1969.
As for the question of the JW Gulf Transporters, I have some information coming from another direction. About 17 years ago, I did some detailed history research on the Porsche 917. I had access to a lot of the correspondence between Porsche and JW Automotive Engineering. From this correspondence there is a letter (a copy, of which, I have in hand) from Helmut Flegl (Porsche's 917 project manager) where in addition to a lot of things about 917's, he makes note of the use of "Transporter, polizelieches Kenzeichen S-C 9003" being used to transport a crashed 917. The very next paragraph states that 5 "Reifen" were being supplied for "Transporter, polizelieches Kenzeichen S-YZ 32". The letter is dated: 20.10.1970. This would clearly establish that both "9003" and "S-YZ 32" were with JW Gulf at the same time.
As a side piece of information, the Flegl letter also mentions "Mercedes-Werkstattwagen, polizelieches Kennzeichen S-YX 925" I assume that this is the identity of the small Mercedes truck seen in some photos.
The comment about a similar transporter fits my recollection of someone at Porsche (I think Jurgen Barth) telling us that the third one was sold to a private team. In fact I have some thoughts that he did tell us it was a BMW team.
To add further information on 2187, when we purchased it it was in Rothmans livery (plus rust!). Underneath the white and blue we found white (Essex?), silver (Martini?), and burgandy.
I will admitt to be an old man still playing with toys. In USA we say, "You are never too old to have a happy childhood".
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 23 2007, 16:00
Very ,very interesting reading. I have myself been a bit involved searching the subjects here, but more or less gave up for lack of infos. Nice someone knows and shares it. I may have overseen something but how or why was one of the Wyer transporters Orange/light blue and not lightblue/orange ???
rhegra
Apr 23 2007, 18:32
... whatever you want, Björn:
taken from the Jo Siffert Movie, Monza 1970 and
taken from the movie LeMans with the Wyer AEC in front, the burgundy Porsche behind it and the Blue-orange or orange-blue Gulf Mercedes in the backround.
Thanks a lot again, olddude, so I think it was YZ 32 sold in 1972 or 1973 to BMW-Motorsport and further on to Marko. And because the first regsitration of M 2187 was in April 69 it was newer than at least one (or both) other Mercedes, because there are a lot of fotos showing a burgundy Mercedes in 68.
Next of a few open questions: YZ 32 was orange/blue at JW, C 9003 too?
And please olddude - hurry up bulding your new office so we can have a deeper sight of your faszinating stuff around Porsche at those times.
Best regards, Christian
olddude2
Apr 23 2007, 20:35
Ref: Porsche Transporters,
I think the photo at LeMans showing the blue on top, orange in the center, transporter, is the English chassis transporter from the previous year's Gulf Team. For another photo of the Porsche Gulf Transporter, look in Automobile Quarterly, Vol. 9, No. 2, page 177, in the article "Porsche: The Cars to Beat". This one is also orange at the top. The license plate number "S-YZ-32" is also readable which answers the other queation.
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 23 2007, 21:20
Post 581 tell you exactly about the AEC (Wyer-Gulf)
About the Wyer MBs , I conclude they had 1 in 1970 being O-B-O cloloured and 2 in 1971 being B-O-B coloured ????
Tarpon
Apr 23 2007, 21:57
The mystery will last until a lucky man find a picture of the two gulf Mercedes ...At the beginning of 1969 Porsche decided to make Gulf WYER its official team ,but F.Piech creates Porsche SALZBURG ,its team used the burgundy transporter on the picture ,and it was a Salzburg 917 which won Le Mans ,has he kept one of the trucks previously dedicated to Gulf .As you see ,JWA did not used it.
rhegra
Apr 24 2007, 06:38
... no, you are wrong, Björn. The Gulf-Mercedes looked in 1971 exactly like 1970 - o-b-o - . And the AEC had his old design (b-o-b) in 1972 too. This evening I´ll post a foto of it beside the transporter of Herbert Müller, it´s at home, I´m in the office.
Tarpon, if Porsche (Salzburg) used the two remainining Mercedes as you mentioned why they used also in Brands Hatch 1970 this burgundy open-deck transporter? And why 9003´s inside in 1976 is gulf-blue, when Wyer didn´t use it? Mysteries to be solved, as you wrote. And a lot stuff for children to play with....
Tarpon
Apr 24 2007, 12:11
I said EXACTLY that Porsche kept ONE transporter ,not two,as seen on this capture of Le MANS ;And probably if they used an open deck it is probably that they had not enough of a transporter .In the same idea ,why to sell a (3td) transporter if they needed it .The Gulf came back to Porsche and was rebuitl after a crash and became 9003 ,we have 3 chassis and only 2 transporters .On Renntransporter Book,there is a picture from Porsche Archiv which shows the complete fleet of Porsche motorsport at the beginning of 1969 ,we have 2 Transporters and the 608 ,nothing else
Robert Sckenck has made a lot of transporters or similar based on 317 or 602 ,for german teams or others like french company Kleber colombes ,it was the type of shoe box very similar to the GULF AEC,the LEYLAND Matra,the lotus etc ...Sckenck used the Mercedes frames with the genuine front end ,nothing special
Phigr7
Apr 25 2007, 00:02
Some pics of Porsche transporters (works & private teams) can be seen at
http://www.forum-auto.com/automobile-prati...ujet764-105.htm
rhegra
Apr 25 2007, 07:15
...on the far right corner you can see the Gulf-Mercedes in Spa 1971 (o-b-o)
http://home.scarlet.be/~lg014001/3_Spa1000km_1971.jpg
Peace,Tarpon. I think the history of M 2187 is clear. Registration April 69, burgundy, later in 1973 in silver Martini-livery, later in white Martini-, in Essex-, in...X- and in Rothmans-livery, sold to the US, restored in perfect condition and now with Brumos. M 2187 was never painted in Gulf clours.
As this article in nr. 91 of Porsche magazine Christophorus from 1968 explains
(thank you very much, just.sportscars) the first Porsche transporter was registered YZ 32 somewhen in 1968 - so roundabout one year prior to M 2187.
I would agree 100% to your opinion,Tarpon, that they changed YZ 32 sometimes after 1971 in C 9003 if there wouldn´t be this foto
with the C 9003 - I think from the book Renntransporter - that seems to be as old or even a bit older than this one:
Here YZ 32 and I think M 2187 are seen near to the small 608 known in burgundy, Gulf, silver, white, Essex and ...X-colours.
By the way you can see two details of the transporters in which you can discern the newer one (M 2187) from the older (one(s)

the handle between the split front-windows and a much rounder structure ahead of the drivers cabine at the shown YZ 32 compared to M 2187.
If the above foto of C 9003 - is it Klaus Bischoff beside? - is made after the often told accident in or after the times at Gulf (thus at the end of 1971 or later), so this C 9003 would be the rebuilt and again in burgundy repainted Ex- Gulf YZ 32 - in this case I would be on your´s, Tarpon. But I doubt about it...
And if I think about the statement of olddude that there were definately three of them my doubts even grow.
My very personal theory is that there were three of them. M 2187 stayed at the factory all the times (as the newest one), YZ 32 was given to JW and painted in Gulf and C 9003 was a "springer" used by the teams needs. After the time at JW at the end of 1971 or a bit later (maybe with an accident) YZ 32 went back to Porsche and was sold to BMW-Motorsport where it was first seen at the 1973 season (why should BMW purchase such an "old-fashioned" brandnew transporter at Schenk in 1973 - in this times more modern looking transporters were available). C 9003 stayed all the times at Porsche in burgundy colours till the white Martini-times. Just my very personal opinion.
I think we have to ask someone at Porsche to solve the mystery.
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 25 2007, 08:12
Thanks for a very near solution to these Porsche transporters , highly interesting , and clearly showing that a transporter can have a very interesting life!

Now I would like to follow up some unanswered questions of late here , there are so many new contributors here and some might know a bit more , I am referring to the following posts :
841 , 858 , 892 , 896 , 923 , 929 , 936 , 939 , 942 , 944 , 946 , 971 , and 973. If any of you know a bit, please come forward or contact me.
I would also point to 931 for books and 959 for building plans.
Further to the threads Supply and sponsor vehicles and Le Mans 1957- 65
And finally to The Fastlane forum wich also has a transporter thread.
And a few words to this thread. It was opened by jph on 28/11 2003 . When I entered with post 281 it was 2/3 2006. Today guys we are near 1000 posts (and me myself not far away from that number), so how is that for a spread out of interest ? I would call it a great succes !
I would like to thank you all for your enthusiastic minds , being willing to help and share. I believe the succes shows that I am not the only one to enjoy it!
Many kind regards , Bjørn Kjer (Bjorn)
PS . You are allways welcome to ask me for infos , I might have some , also on my e-mail !
FINALLY : WHO IS GOING TO HIT 1000 !
legendmartini
Apr 25 2007, 09:56
rhegra
Apr 25 2007, 10:07
...till now never seen a real foto of the original, but PremiumClassixxs says it did exist. By the way I didn´t see a picture of that old plank-bed Mercedes of the early sixties but in their catalogue.
By the way - how did the Martini-Porsche team transport their 917ies? I only know one foto of a Hanomag with a 917 on an open trailer.
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 25 2007, 13:38
In Graham Gaulds book Modena racing Memoires is a fine photo of the MB 311 with the canvas taken aside showing 2 Porsche RS on top of each other in 1958. In the book Renntransporter is also a picture , with canvas and name . And I found one from LM57 with 550s aboard seen from behind.
Bjorn Kjer
Apr 25 2007, 15:09

If you want to see a rebuild af a Maserati transporter , go to :
www.wilms-garage.de and click the Maserati.
Phigr7
Apr 25 2007, 15:45
The NART transporter at Le Mans 1971
http://www.rpmvt.com/2007/02/lemans-1971.html
Does anyone knows what's this truck ?
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