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#9501 LamboNZ

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 08:47

Originally posted by seh1066
Again Hockenheim 1983 - but this time the European Championship final in fall - start of the 500cc race. Who do you recoginize ?

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#2 looks like Anton Mang on the HB Suzuki
#?6 behind #23 looks like Steve Williams on the Fowlers/DTR Yamaha

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#9502 seh1066

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 09:06

#?6 behind #23 looks like Steve Williams on the Fowlers/DTR Yamaha



:clap: Congratulations !! You have eagles eyes... . Its indeed Steve Williams having starting number 16.

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 09:51

30 Grahn
33 Walter Hoffmann
5 Skold
23 Van Eijk
11 Ericco
10 Riondatto
Papa ? at right (yellow and red helmet) and the 20 look like a Fior..Lafond?

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 09:57

Dont have a guess who sidecars often, who is this and when?
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Posted 01 April 2008 - 10:16

Originally posted by picblanc
Dont have a guess who sidecars often, who is this and when?
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:wave: Hello Graham...Steinhausen-Huber British GP 1977

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 11:08

30 Grahn
33 Walter Hoffmann
5 Skold
23 Van Eijk
11 Ericco
10 Riondatto


:clap: Correct !!
No11 I actually do not know as he is not mentioned in the program. But Armando Errico is a good guess as the bike livery looks like that used by the team run by the italian federation.

Papa ? at right (yellow and red helmet) and the 20 look like a Fior..Lafond?



Marco Papa is indeed in the picture. But he is not the rider directly behind Steve Williams. That's swiss rider Alain Roethlisberger. Papa is further back in the field (no9) on the blue and white bike wearing a yellow helmet.

No20 is not Jean Lafond. It is the german privateer Peter Ammann. :wave:

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 11:15

Originally posted by seh1066


:clap: Definetely ! At the finish it was Mang 1st and Klein 2nd. Toni Mang was a guest starter not eligible for championship points.

I'd forgotten Mr Klein. He spent some time at my home and brought abunch of Suzuki XR35 parts from me that " fell off a Suzuki lorry"..he then went home to build the parts to finish the jig saw of which i had given him some very special parts..he was a real nice guy..was killed later on? Need help on this plz..over to the expert panel :lol:

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 11:28

11 could be Messere who was in this race
40 Is the colours of Martin Duyzers

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 12:08

11 could be Messere who was in this race
40 Is the colours of Martin Duyzers



:clap: Marten Duyzers for no40 is correct.
I had a look at Manfrd Mothes site for Armando Errico and found this picture for the race 1983
http://www.highsider...rrico_83_01.htm
So maybe no11 is not Errico but Messere.
On the other hand I have a little doubt regarding
the dating of the picture - it could be that it is not from the European Championship race 1983 as indicated but from the European championship race in Hockenheim in 1984. 1984 the whole race weekend was held in rather bad weather which fits to the picture.

I'd forgotten Mr Klein. He spent some time at my home and brought abunch of Suzuki XR35 parts from me that " fell off a Suzuki lorry"..he then went home to build the parts to finish the jig saw of which i had given him some very special parts..he was a real nice guy..was killed later on? Need help on this plz..over to the expert panel



:( Unfortunately Klaus Klein was killed in 1987 during the Ulster GP in Dundrod. I remember an article which stated that his accident was caused by aquaplaning.

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 16:03

Originally posted by seh1066

On the other hand I have a little doubt regarding
the dating of the picture - it could be that it is not from the European Championship race 1983 as indicated but from the European championship race in Hockenheim in 1984. 1984 the whole race weekend was held in rather bad weather which fits to the picture.


I think you were originally right with year 1983 - that was the only year when Anton Mang had a factory HB Suzuki for the 500 class ( although his season was spoilt by injuries and he didn't ride so often ) . In 1984 he was back in 250 with a self-prepared TZ and the following years with Honda but that is another story...

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 17:02

The Manfred Mothes's Errico picture is from 1984...You can compare on his (extraordinary) site with the Burki and Reiner vues...Same pic, same weather and same Tech.control stickers...But, if you look at the Sheene pics it can be the Maipokal race :stoned:

This one confirm the 1983 race
http://www.highsider.../Mang_83_04.htm

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 17:15

Originally posted by antony duprat

:wave: Hello Graham...Steinhausen-Huber British GP 1977


Hello Antony :wave: correct :clap: :clap: hope your OK? you have been missed these last few months!!? :kiss:

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 17:19

Originally posted by philippe7


I think you were originally right with year 1983 - that was the only year when Anton Mang had a factory HB Suzuki for the 500 class ( although his season was spoilt by injuries and he didn't ride so often ) . In 1984 he was back in 250 with a self-prepared TZ and the following years with Honda but that is another story...


Anton Mang at Silverstone 1983, hard on the brakes for Becketts!! :eek:
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Klaus Klein at Brands Hatch Powerbike International in 1983,
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Posted 01 April 2008 - 18:29

Originally posted by stuavant
I'd forgotten Mr Klein. He spent some time at my home and brought abunch of Suzuki XR35 parts from me that " fell off a Suzuki lorry"..he then went home to build the parts to finish the jig saw of which i had given him some very special parts..he was a real nice guy..was killed later on? Need help on this plz..over to the expert panel :lol:



I remember speaking at some length to Klaus in the paddock at the TT 82 or 83 I think, a really nice bloke.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

The '87 UGP was started in torrential rain as Joey Dunlop needed points to clinch the F1 championship which he may not have done had the race been cancelled, a bit of a furore afterwards IIRC.

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 18:50

http://www.classic-m...ng-Hoffmann.jpg

K. Klein, A. Mang and W. Hoffmann on the podium..But what race?

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 19:33

Anyone remember Klaus´s dog? What a character. He was a little white fox terrier with the very original name of Foxy :) . Klaus would pull up in the paddock, and Foxy would jump out of the van, and then do the rounds visiting everyone he knew. He would run into the awning, and if his pals were sitting in the caravan, he would hop in and make a big fuss of whoever he was greeting, turn around, and go off looking for the next people he knew. Klaus would never be very far behind.
He really was a lovely guy. :cry:

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 19:46

Originally posted by antony duprat
http://www.classic-m...ng-Hoffmann.jpg

K. Klein, A. Mang and W. Hoffmann on the podium..But what race?


It must be the same race as Stefan's picture?

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 21:13

Although I hung mine up a few years ago, It could be a bargain for someone. Do an ebay search. :smoking:

1960'S MIKE HAILWOOD LEATHER BIKER BOOTS WITH TAGS

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 22:53

Originally posted by Classicpics
Although I hung mine up a few years ago, It could be a bargain for someone. Do an ebay search. :smoking:

1960'S MIKE HAILWOOD LEATHER BIKER BOOTS WITH TAGS



I´ll pass. Knowing Mike, they´ll have big holes on the sides :D

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 05:52

I think you were originally right with year 1983 - that was the only year when Anton Mang had a factory HB Suzuki for the 500 class ( although his season was spoilt by injuries and he didn't ride so often ) . In 1984 he was back in 250 with a self-prepared TZ and the following years with Honda but that is another story...



The Manfred Mothes's Errico picture is from 1984...You can compare on his (extraordinary) site with the Burki and Reiner vues...Same pic, same weather and same Tech.control stickers...But, if you look at the Sheene pics it can be the Maipokal race



I was referring to the picture of Armando Errico on Manfred Mothes site with my doubts - my picture is definetely from 1983. The race weekend 1983 was in the best weather conditions - a really sunny and hot weekend. For the European Championship race in 1984 (the Maipokal race) the opposite was true - cold and overcast on the entire weekend and there were a lot of crashes due to the conditions (including Barry Sheene).

http://www.classic-m...ng-Hoffmann.jpg

K. Klein, A. Mang and W. Hoffmann on the podium..But what race?



Should indeed be the European Championship race in Hockenheim in 1983. The only other opportunity for such a podium would have been the German Championship Race on the Salzburgring 1983 which was the only other non-GP Toni Mang did this year.

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 04:44

Hello forum,

yes you guys were right, I looked through my old picture files and found I screwed up the Errico image's date. It is from 1984. Sorry about that, I'll fix it soon and thanks for being so observant.

Manfred Mothes
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Originally posted by seh1066

On the other hand I have a little doubt regarding
the dating of the picture - it could be that it is not from the European Championship race 1983 as indicated but from the European championship race in Hockenheim in 1984. 1984 the whole race weekend was held in rather bad weather which fits to the picture.


#9522 antony duprat

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 04:53

Originally posted by Manfred
Hello forum,

yes you guys were right, I looked through my old picture files and found I screwed up the Errico image's date. It is from 1984. Sorry about that, I'll fix it soon and thanks for being so observant.

Manfred Mothes
www.highsider.com


Hello Manfred and thanks for all your pics...You're, with few others, our memory :wave:

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 14:20

Some great sites to be found here :up: :-

http://www.dropbears...kelinks/Racing/

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 09:31

Who and when?
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Posted 04 April 2008 - 10:51

Is he German or English ? :lol:....1985 Honda Rs

#9526 seh1066

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 11:44

Who and when?


Armando Errico, Silverstone 1985. Massimo Messere drove for the same team in 1985. But one can spot an 'E' on the leather hinting on Errico.

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 11:46

Originally posted by seh1066


Armando Errico, Silverstone 1985. Massimo Messere drove for the same team in 1985. But one can spot an 'E' on the leather hinting on Errico.


....and on the bike screen ! :p


If the 500cc Team Italia was not so prestigious, the 125 and 250 teams was a golden team for the future italians champions with some guys like Biaggi, Chili, Cadalora, Casanova, Gianola, Gramigni, Gresini, Locatelli, Ricci or Vitali and few others :eek: :up:

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 16:18

Originally posted by seh1066


Armando Errico, Silverstone 1985. Massimo Messere drove for the same team in 1985. But one can spot an 'E' on the leather hinting on Errico.


:clap: :clap: to easy wasn't it!! :wave:

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 18:00

:wave: Greetings all here's an easyish WWW ;)






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Posted 04 April 2008 - 19:03

Originally posted by fil2.8
:wave: Greetings all here's an easyish WWW ;)






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Hansford. Daytona. 1978?

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 19:29

Originally posted by chrisb


Hansford. Daytona. 1978?

:wave: Hi Chris Right :clap: Right :clap: Wrong :down: its 1980 :p but as Meatloaf would say 2 out of 3 ain't bad :lol:

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 09:19

Have we had this one? if not WWW?
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Posted 06 April 2008 - 09:31

Is it Mamola in the 250 race at Daytona 1980

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 10:06

Originally posted by picblanc
Have we had this one? if not WWW?
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I'll try Christian Estrosi, Silverstone, 1978 (and then wait to be corrected by our continental experts...!)

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 10:18

Originally posted by chrisb


I'll try Christian Estrosi, Silverstone, 1978 (and then wait to be corrected by our continental experts...!)


In the words of that old song "two out of three ain't bad" correct but its 1976. :clap: :clap: :wave:

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 10:19

Originally posted by picblanc


In the words of that old song "two out of three ain't bad" correct but its 1976. :clap: :clap: :wave:


Ahhh!! yes Meat loaf, missed that quote from Phil a couple of posts back!! :blush:

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 10:29

Originally posted by picblanc


Ahhh!! yes Meat loaf, missed that quote from Phil a couple of posts back!! :blush:

:wave: Yes Graham i'm watching you ( and World Superbikes ) I shall have to copyright my sayings-with Meatloafs permission of course :lol: ;) Talk about brains ih toolboxes :eek: did anybody just see the end of the World Superbikes :

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 11:17

BSB at Brands has been cancelled bringing back memories of 1975!! :eek: resheduled for May 11th apparently

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 18:24

:wave: Hellllllllooooo is anyone awake :yawn: do you want to try this





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Posted 06 April 2008 - 20:25

Originally posted by fil2.8
Talk about brains ih toolboxes :eek: did anybody just see the end of the World Superbikes :

Not sure waht this means Phil ( although I regularly left mine in my tool box when i was racing! :drunk: :lol: :rotfl:

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 20:26

Originally posted by picblanc
BSB at Brands has been cancelled bringing back memories of 1975!! :eek: resheduled for May 11th apparently

why graham?

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 20:32

Originally posted by fil2.8
:wave: Hellllllllooooo is anyone awake :yawn: do you want to try this





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would this be Kiwi ~ Dennis Iireland by any chance Phil? Obviuosly donnington, 80/ 81 /82?

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 21:07

Originally posted by TZ350
would this be Kiwi ~ Dennis Iireland by any chance Phil? Obviuosly donnington, 80/ 81 /82?


Most definately Dennis..helps with the Kiwi on his helmet...

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 21:10

Originally posted by stuavant

Most definately Dennis..helps with the Kiwi on his helmet...

:eek: Stu you must have good eyesight! :)

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 21:11

Originally posted by TZ350
why graham?


Snow Julian!! :eek: :wave:

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 21:34

Originally posted by TZ350
would this be Kiwi ~ Dennis Iireland by any chance Phil? Obviuosly donnington, 80/ 81 /82?

:wave: Hi Julian yes of course it's Dennis 1981 in Tom's back garden you keeping OK ? I thought i'd post something fairly simple to get interest going :up:

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 08:23

Originally posted by picblanc


Snow Julian!! :eek: :wave:

:eek: How much? I remember racing at CAdwell ( think it was march 78 or could have been 79, where they cleared the snow with ploughs on the front of tractors so we could race :smoking: :up: gues its a public liability issue these days :rolleyes: haaving said that I also remember a donnington meeting( May?) being cancelled , had driven all the way ther i a snowstorm, and woke up to over a foot of snow in the paddock :|

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 08:26

Originally posted by TZ350
:eek: How much? I remember racing at CAdwell ( think it was march 78 or could have been 79, where they cleared the snow with ploughs on the front of tractors so we could race :smoking: :up: gues its a public liability issue these days :rolleyes: haaving said that I also remember a donnington meeting( May?) being cancelled , had driven all the way ther i a snowstorm, and woke up to over a foot of snow in the paddock :|


Hi Julian, your up late!! there is a photo on the BSB website, and it looked about 4 to 6 inches, with more forecast till late afternoon!!. :wave:

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 08:28

Originally posted by fil2.8
:wave: Hi Julian yes of course it's Dennis 1981 in Tom's back garden you keeping OK ? I thought i'd post something fairly simple to get interest going :up:

Wohoo as Homer would say :lol: 1st one I got right , but then I did leave my options open on dates. :rolleyes:
Im fine Phil, very busy with 5 puppies at the moment. One thing I remember the bikes colour scheme, and also remember racing Dennis in both 350 and 500, but dont remember him on that bike? was that his usual ride or had her taken it over from smeone do you know, or do you know by any chance Stu?

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 08:55

I can hardly remember Dennis riding a 350 in those years, looks not unlike a Sid Griffiths paint job on the fairing , not the Derry's Racing green and white. He did cut his teeth in NZ on 350s though, riding Jim Landrebe's TZ.
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