Vitesse2
Apr 30 2007, 21:09
Originally posted by f1steveuk
She also told me about the death of someone else from MG, of how the official, and real cause were different, but I cannot remember the name of the chap, but if I say it was in a railway tunnel, someoen will now who it was.
Cecil Kimber. I don't see how a collision in the Kings Cross tunnels could be interpreted any differently, though
f1steveuk
May 1 2007, 06:59
I'm quoting Mrs Gardner here, and it was along time ago, and things may have been reported since, but The official line was that Kimber was on one of the trains, Mrs Gardner said he wasn't, he was in the tunnel on foot, I know not why! All she said was, he got out of the train, walk along the tunnel, and something happened. Sorry that is all I can remember.
Vitesse2
May 1 2007, 07:55
Sorry, not a collision, a derailment. February 4th 1945.
There might be something in this though. The accepted version is that the last two carriages (of 17) were derailed, one of them hitting a signal gantry, when the train slipped backwards. There were 25 injured and two deaths: Cecil Kimber and a Mr Cecil Kirk of Bispham.
However, at the initial inquest on Feb 8th, the coroner only returned a verdict on Mr Kirk - accidental death. The inquest on Kimber was adjourned until March 8th "to allow the Ministry of War Transport inquiry to be held", the coroner having said that "I want to know with a little greater certainty what has happened, because the public want to be reassured that this will not recur".
Source: The Times Feb 9th 1945 p2
Unfortunately, I can't find any subsequent report of the inquest or the inquiry.
f1steveuk
May 1 2007, 08:05
Very interesting! The plot thickens.
Vitesse2
May 1 2007, 22:18
The report wasn't published until May 29th 1945. It goes into great technical detail and the circumstances of the accident were even recreated:
http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents...gsCross1945.pdf
However, there's no indication that Cecil Kimber was anywhere other than in the first class compartment which was crushed by a falling signal gantry.
Paul Rochdale
May 2 2007, 17:50
Goldie Gardner's grave lies in Ocklynge Cemetery, Willingdon Road, Eastbourne - there is a smaller side entrance to the cemetery in Eldon Road - on plot E129.
Paul Rochdale
May 26 2007, 07:12
Photo : Patricia
Cal Rayborn's grave at Greenwood Memorial Park, San Diego, California.
Terry Walker
May 26 2007, 08:22
The railway accident report does say explicitly that "two passengers in this compartment were killed". I think that's pretty unambiguous.
f1steveuk
May 27 2007, 09:57
Totally agree, what it says, is unambiguous, but I have read many reports that are veru clear, just wrong!! Mrs Gardner was very very very clear, and said "what happened was nothing like what was reported, something happened that shouldn't have done.........". I still can't get in contact with her or Roslind, but I am still trying.
Paul Rochdale
Jun 20 2007, 22:01
Photo: Henk Orie
Joe Craig, motorcycle racer and Norton Devlopment Engineer, buried at the Niew Eykenduyen Cemetery, The Hague, Netherlands.
Paul Rochdale
Jun 29 2007, 11:28
I received an unexpected email today from Jack Rayborn, the son of motorcycle racer Cal Rayborn. Jack was only 10yrs old when his father was killed in New Zealand in 1973 and was unaware as to where his father was buried. It was nice to be able to help him out with the details. It seems Jack is having a hard time of things at the moment although he didn't elaborate on it.
Paul Rochdale
Jun 29 2007, 17:28
Shot with
DMC-FZ7 at 2007-06-29
Photo: Henk Opie
The grave of drag racer Henk Vink in the Zorgvlied Cemetery in Amsterdam, Netherlands.
Paul Rochdale
Jun 30 2007, 20:41
I have just this morning completed a memorial page for the pre-war racing driver and journalist Sammy Davis. Unfortunately the powers-that-be in Salt Lake City, who host the website, have granted him 'Famous' status (that's nice) and changed his name to Sydney 'Sammy' Davis (not nice). He was known throughout his life as 'Sammy' rather than the name he was christened with. This means I cannot change his name back and enthusiasts will not find searching for his memorial page easy.
Things are not easy between UK/European compilers and the 'Merrycans. I've been trying in vain to get them to recognise the Spanish port of BILBAO but it's not on their list of cities and it looks like it'll take for ever to get on it.
When in the past I've complained, their attitude is "It's our ball, go play elsewhere".
Sorry for that rant
Paul Rochdale
Jul 9 2007, 19:36
Shot with
DSC-P200 at 2007-07-09
Photo: Steve Sutton
S.C.H. 'Sammy' Davis's grave in Brookwood Cemetery, Woking, Surrey.
Paul Rochdale
Jul 13 2007, 17:14
Shot with
DSC-P200 at 2007-07-13
Photo: Steve Sutton
John Godfrey Parry-Thomas' grave in St.Mary's Churchyard, Byfleet, Surrey.
f1steveuk
Jul 13 2007, 17:27
Not looking as good as it used to. Someone used to tend it regularly, and I see the picture has gone, is nothing sacred!
Paul Rochdale
Jul 13 2007, 17:36
Steve
Do you have a picture of it as it once was? Can you also confirm the location is correct as I had 'Weybridge Cemetery' on the memorial page I wrote for him?
Paul Rochdale
Jul 17 2007, 15:44
Shot with
FinePix F410 at 2007-07-17
Photo: Paul Narramore
The grave of Goldie Gardner at Ocklynge Cemetery, Eastbourne, East Sussex.
Paul Rochdale
Jul 27 2007, 16:44
Shot at 2007-07-27
Photo: Jan Jeavons
The grave of Thomas Barrett, the riding mechanic for Kenelm Lee Guinness, killed during the 1924 Spanish Grand Prix at Lasarte, San Sebastian, at Heath Town Churchyard, Wolverhampton. KLG received serious head injuries from which he never fully recovered and he committed suicide in 1937.
Paul Rochdale
Sep 2 2007, 21:50
Photo: Ken MacLeod
The grave of Clive Dunfee at Putney Vale Cemetery, London, killed in the Brooklands 500 Race on 24 September 1932.
Paul Rochdale
Sep 3 2007, 15:25
Latest additions -
Racing drivers -
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?p...csr&GSvcid=4821
Count Louis Zborowski, Count Elliott Zborowski, Goldie Gardner, 'Sammy' Davis, Tony Vandervell, Kenelm Lee Guinness, Michael Bower Watson, Tom Barrett.
Motorcycle racers -
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?p...csr&GSvcid=4823
Jack Findlay, Derek Ennett, Bart Markel, Mac Hobson, John Hartridge.
Many thanks for the various pieces of help I've received.
Paul Rochdale
Sep 4 2007, 17:37
Photo: Paul Narramore
Photo: Paul Narramore
The grave of Pat Fairfield, who lost his life during the 1937 Le Mans 24hr Race, at Greatness Park Cemetery, Sevenoaks, Kent.
Vitesse2
Sep 5 2007, 23:32
Thank you Paul.
According to a letter in C&SC, Oct 2007, Multi-Union driver, motorcycle racer and test pilot Chris Staniland is buried in Keddington, a village just outside Louth, Lincolnshire. (Just FYI!)
Paul Rochdale
Sep 6 2007, 12:15
Thanks. One of the pleasures I have is carrying out research on drivers/riders I have no knowledge of and having a friend who does voluntery work at Brooklands does help.
Paul Rochdale
Sep 6 2007, 13:39
Vitesse
I have compiled the attached memorial page for Christopher Staniland - contemporary articles never seemed to refer to him as 'Chris' - but information and pictures of him or the Multi-Union on the Net are almost non-existent. I have written to St.Margaret's Church at Keddington to try to get a picture of the grave, although this has been described as a 'memorial' elsewhere. Does anyone here live close to Louth.....?
Paul Rochdale
Sep 6 2007, 18:36
Paul Rochdale
Sep 10 2007, 11:26
Photo: Dave Butler
The Zborowski Family Grave in St.James' Churchyard, Burton Lazar, Leicestershire, which has the grave of Count Louis Zborowski, killed in a works Mercedes during the Italian GP at Monza on 19 October 1924, and his father Count Elliott Zborowski, killed also in a Mercedes at the La Turbie hillclimb, France, on 1 April 1903.
Photo: Dave Butler
Paul Rochdale
Sep 11 2007, 08:49
Photos: Franz Josef Morsch jr.
According to an entry on the FindaGrave website, Wolfgang von Trips was buried in Clements Church Cemetery in Cologne. However I've come across these two images on
www.knerger.de which mention that he lies in Friedhof OT Horrem in Kerpen. This may well be a memorial plaque rather than the site of the grave. Can anybody help please?
Vitesse2
Sep 11 2007, 09:49
FindaGrave is wrong, Paul.
Tausende säumten seinen Weg von Burg Hammersbach zur Christus-König-Kirche und weiter zur Familiengruft auf dem Hammersbacher Friedhof.
Thousands lined the route of his journey from Burg Hammersbach to Christus-König-Kirche and then on to the family vault in Hammersbach Cemetery.
Source: Trips: Errinerungen ein Idol by Jörg-Thomas Födisch, Christoph Louis & Reinhold Louis p116
Paul Rochdale
Sep 11 2007, 09:58
Thanks for sorting that out Vitesse. There are in fact two von Trips entries, the second one stating he was buried in the Freidhof an der Clemenskirche, Kerpen-Horrem. Conclusions? The image above is a memorial plaque only, and there is a family cemetery in von Trip's former home Berg Hemmersbach.
Thank you.
paulhooft
Sep 11 2007, 10:01
Wolfgang Graf Berghe von Trips is buried in the Family grave at the Horrem Hammersbach Friedhof,
not in Cologne.
I was there on 10 september 2001 at a rememberance, 40 years after his dead at Monza.
(one day before one-eleven 2001, that was)
At Burg (Castle) Hammersbach now in private hands, there is a small Rennsport museum
http://www.automobil-rennsport.de/index.php
PcH
The driver, writer and adventurer Hans Ruesch passed away last August 27th. Someone knows where were buried????????.
Paul Rochdale
Sep 16 2007, 10:58
I knew little about this driver until you mentioned him Marcello, but have found this interesting biography of him. He died in Massagno, Lugano, Switzerland.
http://www.historicracing.com/search_natio...&countryCode=CH
Allan Lupton
Sep 16 2007, 14:26
There was a thread on him last year/earlier this year
here
Hieronymus
Sep 16 2007, 16:39
Surprisingly Ruesch's death is also mentioned on the Paddock Club Forum:
http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php...ght=Hans+Ruesch
ReWind
Sep 16 2007, 18:36
Originally posted by raoul leDuke
Hans Ruesch died at the American Hospital in Neuilly.
I'm afraid you mixed him up with Philippe Maillard-Brune (who died on the same day... in Neuilly).
ferraif40
Sep 16 2007, 19:05
Colin Chapman (Lotus Founder)
East Carleton Church, East Carelton Road, East Carleton, Norwich
Grave is one with black chain round it on the right as you go in. The rest of his family, daughter Sarah and Grandchildren also there.
Jon
Paul Rochdale
Sep 17 2007, 07:09
Photo: Dave Butler
The grave of 'Tim' Birkin in St.Nicholas' Churchyard, Blakeney, Norfolk, who died as a result of an infection received from a serious burn to his arm received during the Tripoli GP in which he came third.
Paul Rochdale
Sep 17 2007, 07:28
Photo: Ady Simpson
The grave of Colin Chapman in St.Mary's Churchyard, East Carleton, Norwich, Norfolk.
Paul Rochdale
Sep 19 2007, 10:02
Photo: Peter Shepherd
A memorial to Dave Saville, nine times Isle of Man sidecar TT winer who was seriously injured during the 1993 Classic Manx GP on a solo Manx Norton. He needed constant care until his death on 7 March 2006. The memorial is in the garden of the Mitre Hotel at Kirkmichael, IoM.
gary76
Sep 19 2007, 21:00
Final resting place of one Des Wolff in Glencruthery Road Cemetetry, Douglas Isle of Man site Ref.NQ70
Photo taken 23/9/07
Paul Rochdale
Sep 19 2007, 22:58
Photo : Gary 76
Gary, I hope you don't mind re-posting this in a size that can be read.
I have written a short memorial page for him but unfortunately after months of pestering, the FindaGrave bunch still won't recognise 'Douglas, Isle of Man' as a valid place name. Paul
gary76
Sep 20 2007, 19:50
Ref; Des Wolff. Thanks Paul for resizing my image, I will get to grip with this thing one day!
Des lost his life on the first lap of the Senior TT on the 6th June 1958 I believe in an accident at Barregarrow (top) riding a 500 Manx Norton. He had competed earlier in the week in the Junior TT on a 350 Manx Norton but stopped on the 1st lap with engine problems. In 1959 and for many years after a Des Wolff Memorial road race meeting was held at the Belvedere Airfield circuit in Salisbury (now Harari) Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe).
Gary
Paul Rochdale
Sep 21 2007, 13:43
Gary
It took many, many attempts for me to get the hang of placing images here, but once learned (almost) never forgotten.
Paul Rochdale
Sep 24 2007, 22:43
Photo:
www.betzingen.org
The grave of Hans Baltisberger in the Betzinger Friedhof, Betzingen, near Reutlingen, Germany. He was killed during the Czech Grand Prix at Brno on 26 August 1956, riding an NSU Sportsmax 250cc, when he crashed into trees.
Paul Rochdale
Oct 3 2007, 08:13
Photo: Tom & Mary Wright
The grave of Walt Hansgen in New Germanstown Cemetery, Oldwick, Hunterdon County, New Jersey, USA, killed during practice for the 1966 Le Mans 24hr Race whilst driving a Ford GT Mk2.
Earlier this year I was reading David Tremayne's excellent The Lost Generation to find out more about the 3 drivers I had never really heard of as they died in the mid 70's (when I was only 6-10 years old and only knew about James Hunt). I live in Sevenoaks and fly my kite up at Brands Hatch so I was very surprised to learn about Tom Pryce and that he was burried at Otford cemetery which I pass everyday on the way home from work.
It's a lovely place to be burried in, quite appropriate for someone who seemed to be a lovely man in life. I moved down here from Heywood and I still can feel the sense of nostalgia in the air not only from that era but from the Second World War as well, with Chartwell and Biggin hill close by. I don't think the locals who have lived here all their life can actually smell the history because they grew up with it.
Regards
Andy
Paul Rochdale
Oct 4 2007, 15:33
Photo: Eileen Welsh
The grave of Mac Hobson in Hollywood Avenue Cemetery, Gosforth, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Tyne & Wear, killed on the first lap of the 1978 Isle of Man Sidecar TT (along with passenger Kenny Birch), when he lost control of his outfit at the top of Bray Hill.
Paul Rochdale
Oct 5 2007, 23:27
Latest additions -
DRIVERS - Christopher Staniland, Ernst-Gunther Burggaller, Georges Boillot, Hans Ruesch, John Heath.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?p...csr&GSvcid=4821
RIDERS - Bill Lomas, Ollie Bridewell, Hans Baltisberger, Geoff Walker, Laurie Boulter, Jack D Daniels, Ben Drinkwater, Wal Handley.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?p...csr&GSvcid=4823
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