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Do I detect that Barry's model has been badly damaged?
Its accident left it in many pieces but Barry assured us it was just a matter of gluing the pieces back together 
The story goes like this....
I placed the model, on its base, on top of Ted's boxes of photographs at the back of the Ferret stand. No more than 2 minutes later, as Ted, Roger and myself were chatting, Ted exclaimed in an alarmed fashion "Where's your model gone?"
Looking around to the back of his tent, we could see a man looking through some pictures, having removed one of the drawers of Ted's boxes, but couldn't see the model. At first I thought the man was masking it but when I looked, sure enough, it had disappeared.
Next reaction was, somebody has run in an nicked it. Silly, of course, who on earth would want it????
So I peered around the back of the boxes and could just see the edge of the base, jammed down between the back of the boxes and the back of the tent. Around this time, the man put the drawer back and walked away - damage done.
Ted moved a few boxes and I was able to reach down and pick up the bits.
If it was a real car, the good news is that the chassis appears undamaged, but the nose is broken off, as is the engine/gearbox and the wheels are either now only partially attached or not attached at all. A sorry sight, I must confess.
Quite why this gentleman didn't at least mention the fact that he had pushed the thing off the boxes, I do not know. I'm sure it was an accident and accidents happen, but to ignore it was a rather.... well, I can't actually think of a word!
The REALLY ironic thing in all this is that Roger and I drove down to Essex on Saturday evening to spend the night with Peter Connew and his family. Peter was looking forward to seeing the model which he had only viewed before in photographs.
When I manage to get my upload programme working again, I will show you what he saw.
I placed the model, on its base, on top of Ted's boxes of photographs at the back of the Ferret stand. No more than 2 minutes later, as Ted, Roger and myself were chatting, Ted exclaimed in an alarmed fashion "Where's your model gone?"
Looking around to the back of his tent, we could see a man looking through some pictures, having removed one of the drawers of Ted's boxes, but couldn't see the model. At first I thought the man was masking it but when I looked, sure enough, it had disappeared.
Next reaction was, somebody has run in an nicked it. Silly, of course, who on earth would want it????
So I peered around the back of the boxes and could just see the edge of the base, jammed down between the back of the boxes and the back of the tent. Around this time, the man put the drawer back and walked away - damage done.
Ted moved a few boxes and I was able to reach down and pick up the bits.
If it was a real car, the good news is that the chassis appears undamaged, but the nose is broken off, as is the engine/gearbox and the wheels are either now only partially attached or not attached at all. A sorry sight, I must confess.
Quite why this gentleman didn't at least mention the fact that he had pushed the thing off the boxes, I do not know. I'm sure it was an accident and accidents happen, but to ignore it was a rather.... well, I can't actually think of a word!
The REALLY ironic thing in all this is that Roger and I drove down to Essex on Saturday evening to spend the night with Peter Connew and his family. Peter was looking forward to seeing the model which he had only viewed before in photographs.
When I manage to get my upload programme working again, I will show you what he saw.
unbelievable! some people !!
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Quite why this gentleman didn't at least mention the fact that he had pushed the thing off the boxes, I do not know. I'm sure it was an accident and accidents happen, but to ignore it was a rather.... well, I can't actually think of a word!
Quite why this gentleman didn't at least mention the fact that he had pushed the thing off the boxes, I do not know. I'm sure it was an accident and accidents happen, but to ignore it was a rather.... well, I can't actually think of a word!
This is one of the signs of the times unfortunately, this ba&%*d showed complete disregard for someone else and their property.
I hope you can rebuild the model to its former glory.
David
Originally posted by Barry Boor
The story goes like this....
Ted exclaimed in an alarmed fashion "Where's your model gone?"
Looking around to the back of his tent, we could see a man looking through some pictures, having removed one of the drawers of Ted's boxes, but couldn't see the model. At first I thought the man was masking it .............
The story goes like this....
Ted exclaimed in an alarmed fashion "Where's your model gone?"
Looking around to the back of his tent, we could see a man looking through some pictures, having removed one of the drawers of Ted's boxes, but couldn't see the model. At first I thought the man was masking it .............
"It must have been Tracchia, he thought he had the Coronado and JH to deal with .... again"
sincerely hope you get your model all back together
It was probably de Cesaris.
Originally posted by Vicuna
Very well put
Barry, you have my sympathies
The Connew's first serious accident? At least it happened at a racing circuit, at a high profile meeting....
I hope you can mend it without too much trouble, Barry.
I hope you can mend it without too much trouble, Barry.
Barry,
Very sorry to hear about the aciident to your model.
It certainly looked very impressive on its brief Cheshire outing on Friday.
I've e-mailed you a couple more pics.
Very sorry to hear about the aciident to your model.
It certainly looked very impressive on its brief Cheshire outing on Friday.
I've e-mailed you a couple more pics.
So sorry to hear about this Barry. Hope the old girl is up and running soon
I wondered what all the drama was about....it only seemed to have it's front end knocked off, though must admit because it was damaged didn't take much attention to it. :\
i'm sure you can fix it quite soon
i'm sure you can fix it quite soon
Well, Condor, it is a bit worse than that.
It went from this...
to this...
...in the blink of an eye.
It went from this...
to this...
...in the blink of an eye.
Well you didn't use superglue did ya 
Actually, the whole thing WAS held together with just that substance but a fall to the ground from about 5 feet up was too much even for Loctite's best!
No-one mentioned that poor Francois lost his legs in the accident................
Seriously, sorry this happened, and I agree with the folks reaction above about the clot who did it. It looks like you can rebuild it, is that right?
Seriously, sorry this happened, and I agree with the folks reaction above about the clot who did it. It looks like you can rebuild it, is that right?
The survival cell looks remarkably undamaged - a tribute to safety standards in the '70s!
Seriously, though - just like a real historic, it's better to have a car "Hors de Combat" than buffed up to within an inch of its life and hidden away in some museum.
Seriously, though - just like a real historic, it's better to have a car "Hors de Combat" than buffed up to within an inch of its life and hidden away in some museum.
It really doesn't look that bad! I was picturing small pieces of plastic for a complex puzzle.
Well at least it's all clean joint cuts ...so can be easily fixed
Though perhaps I'd suggest a 2-mix araldite glue instead....and proper cleaning of the model with acetone before you glue it together
I'm quite surprised the superglue didn't work.....my only thought is that the surfaces can't have been cleaned properly beforehand...some residual grease lurking somewhere :\
but clean cuts are better than splinters
Though perhaps I'd suggest a 2-mix araldite glue instead....and proper cleaning of the model with acetone before you glue it together
I'm quite surprised the superglue didn't work.....my only thought is that the surfaces can't have been cleaned properly beforehand...some residual grease lurking somewhere :\
but clean cuts are better than splinters
Initially putting the 3 major components back together (nose, chassis and engine/gearbox) is a simple task.
However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.
I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!
However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.
I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!
bluddy hell, Barry, that IS a lot of damge. Hope you can repair it in time
Originally posted by Gary C
Hope you can repair it in time
Hope you can repair it in time
In time for what?
I've obviously missed out on the importance of this....but I'm sure so have a lot of others....and I was there
Perhaps Barry can explain to us, what looks like a fairly easy repair job .....is such a big deal
O.K. It's a five minute job and I shall not mention it again.
There's no need to get all upset about things...and it's obviously longer than a 5 minute job to fix....BUT - the damage looks to be clean cuts and not splinters, which would be a lot harder to fix.
Barry
Tamiya still produce the 1/12 McLaren and also offer a spares service. It would be possible to buy the sprue that has the suspension components that are missing.
David
Tamiya still produce the 1/12 McLaren and also offer a spares service. It would be possible to buy the sprue that has the suspension components that are missing.
David
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Initially putting the 3 major components back together (nose, chassis and engine/gearbox) is a simple task.
However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.
I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!
Initially putting the 3 major components back together (nose, chassis and engine/gearbox) is a simple task.
However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.
I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!
Ok, thanks, it's more serious than it looks like! Good luck!
Condor,
It's not that straightforward to repair.
The difficulty is that the model is mainly plastic. When plastic bits get broken, they always stretch slightly so you can't just stick them back together. As the glues that stick plastic (even superglue) do so by dissolving or softening it, sticking the plastic together distorts it slightly and weakens it at the joint so sticking it a second time always shows. So none of the breaks are 'clean' breaks like those in a bit of china.
I suspect acetone dissolves plastics and paint as well as grease. Remember that it's the main constituent of nail varnish remover!
Then once Barry has got it all back together he has the problem of repainting it. He will have to either paint around the decals or remove them and make new ones from scratch.
And no matter how skilful Barry is, he will always be able to see every repair even if nobody else can.
It's not that straightforward to repair.
The difficulty is that the model is mainly plastic. When plastic bits get broken, they always stretch slightly so you can't just stick them back together. As the glues that stick plastic (even superglue) do so by dissolving or softening it, sticking the plastic together distorts it slightly and weakens it at the joint so sticking it a second time always shows. So none of the breaks are 'clean' breaks like those in a bit of china.
I suspect acetone dissolves plastics and paint as well as grease. Remember that it's the main constituent of nail varnish remover!
Then once Barry has got it all back together he has the problem of repainting it. He will have to either paint around the decals or remove them and make new ones from scratch.
And no matter how skilful Barry is, he will always be able to see every repair even if nobody else can.
I'm still totally lost how a fall from about 5ft could separate it in so many pieces - the casual glance I gave it...was just of the cockpit front end which gave the appearance (to me...not an expert) of being wood....certainly recall some graining.
Never occurred to me that it might be mainly plastic...and of course, acetone would melt it.
Best wishes for your repair job
Never occurred to me that it might be mainly plastic...and of course, acetone would melt it.
Best wishes for your repair job
Barry
Sorry to see the damage to your model. As someone who has built many models over the years I can appreciate that its not just the damage, it's also having to do the work again, thanks to someone elses stupidity.
amazing that the wing mirrors survived - they would have been difficult.
Looks like a great model, and what an unususal subject. well done in the first place!!
Nathan
Sorry to see the damage to your model. As someone who has built many models over the years I can appreciate that its not just the damage, it's also having to do the work again, thanks to someone elses stupidity.
amazing that the wing mirrors survived - they would have been difficult.
Looks like a great model, and what an unususal subject. well done in the first place!!
Nathan
Originally posted by Barry Boor
However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.
I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!
However, parts of the Tamiya McLaren M.23 suspension that connect the rear wheels to the gearbox are actually broken and in a couple of instances small pieces that actually make the connections are gone.
I suppose I ought to try to make the rear suspension more like the Connew was, but that would involve getting scale drawings that are currently buried deep and inaccesible in the Connew loft!
Are all the Connew drawings there? If so, excavation of the loft sounds like a "must do" project!
And you really should have that unusual rear end correct, anyway ;)
Pilota, there is a reason why I chose this particular car to create a model of....
David, you are right, but as far as P.C. getting up into his loft goes, well, YOU tell him!
David, you are right, but as far as P.C. getting up into his loft goes, well, YOU tell him!
Unfortunately, Tamiya do not still produce the 1/12 McLaren M23, and on ebay, they are one of the more sort after Tamiya 1/12 kits, often going for large sums of money.
However, there is a strong rumour ( supported by 1 or 2 pics on the Tamiya website ) that it may be re-released... Although it could just be a very limited run of an undecaled version they will release at a trade show shortly, as they did with the 1/20 McLaren M23 a couple of years back.
However, there is a strong rumour ( supported by 1 or 2 pics on the Tamiya website ) that it may be re-released... Although it could just be a very limited run of an undecaled version they will release at a trade show shortly, as they did with the 1/20 McLaren M23 a couple of years back.
Originally posted by Mac Lark in post #1
Do I detect that Barry's model has been badly damaged?
Do I detect that Barry's model has been badly damaged?
Every so often, I see a thread like this one that seems to "start out of nowhere" - am I missing something?
(or is this a follow-on from another thread which I just haven't read?)
Thanks,
David.
This can be annoying, can't it?
I suspect this one came out of:
http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79515
I suspect this one came out of:
http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79515
Originally posted by David Hyland
Every so often, I see a thread like this one that seems to "start out of nowhere" - am I missing something?
(or is this a follow-on from another thread which I just haven't read?)
Thanks,
David.
Every so often, I see a thread like this one that seems to "start out of nowhere" - am I missing something?
(or is this a follow-on from another thread which I just haven't read?)
Thanks,
David.
David
The original thread relating to Barry's model...
http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?s...y=&pagenumber=1
The disaster... Silverstone in the thread mentioned by David McKinney
Rob
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Pilota, there is a reason why I chose this particular car to create a model of....
Pilota, there is a reason why I chose this particular car to create a model of....
I appreciate/understand the reason, but it's still an unusual subject, (from my point of view - although obviously not from your viewpoint.)
Nathan
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