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Allan Lupton
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Nov 22 2011, 18:22) *
Edit: Actually, it has just dawned on me, I should delete that smiley, because I am not at all familiar with the incident. (Just in case what you are describing was more than just a change of structural-engineering or design-test philosophy, and actually involved a more serious crash.)

Can't find a reference offhand but it was a non-catastrophic engine separation on a test-flight IIRC. Shouldn't have tried to be funny in this thread really.
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (Allan Lupton @ Nov 23 2011, 09:13) *
Shouldn't have tried to be funny in this thread really.

No. Disgraceful behaviour...
werks prototype
QUOTE (Allan Lupton @ Nov 23 2011, 09:13) *
Can't find a reference offhand but it was a non-catastrophic engine separation on a test-flight IIRC. Shouldn't have tried to be funny in this thread really.


Apologies if any offence caused. I was attempting to edit myself, rather than you, Allan. up.gif
trauts
QUOTE (Allan Lupton @ Nov 23 2011, 10:13) *
Can't find a reference offhand but it was a non-catastrophic engine separation on a test-flight IIRC. Shouldn't have tried to be funny in this thread really.

Allan, though this is not information on the test flight you refer to I thought you may be interested in the following. Approximately twelve years ago I was shown round the service area at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport, they were servicing a 747 which involved a complete strip down of the airplane and I was shown into the wing interior where they pointed to three nuts each approx. 2" diameter that held the engine on to the wing. In 1992 an El Al flight lost an engine on take off from Schiphol which resulted in the plane crashing into a block of flats with many fatalities. Apparently only one spar fuse pin fixed the engine to the wing. After that incident there were three fixings to ensure it never happened again. If ever you have the opportunity to visit and witness the service/stripdown of a 747 it is the most amazing sight.
terrance trump
QUOTE (CVA @ Nov 23 2011, 08:29) *
opel (vauxhall) corsa by Lawrence Watts


The original of this illustration is actually for sale on Ebay.
fnqvmuch
this just in from Storm's free car brochure site;
Autobianchi Primula - in house?
how much is another (- like innocenti too,) questionable development of an Issigonis masterpiece of design; even more straitened than the original product?
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (alansart @ Nov 22 2011, 17:55) *
And in Yellow. Not the easiest colour to work with smile.gif

Absolutely Alan, I don't think I ever got it quite right, and I did a lot of yellow cars with the Pennzoil Penskes and Lola (singular I think, it may have been two). The problem is that getting the base yellow right is not always easy, then comes the question - what colour is yellow in the shadows? If you are not carefull you end up with brown or green. Or tangerine. Must be the approaching festive season that made me think of that. Or the fact that I've just eaten a couple, and very nice they were too. I may have a third...
macoran
QUOTE (Tony Matthews @ Nov 23 2011, 23:53) *
I may have a third...

Go on !!
Tony Matthews
Just had.....two more. Made me feel quite frisky!
Duc-Man
QUOTE (terrance trump @ Nov 23 2011, 21:39) *
The original of this illustration is actually for sale on Ebay.


There is also a Betty(?) cutaway of the Vauxhall Nova for sale. Yellow Vauxhall Nova
macoran
QUOTE (Duc-Man @ Nov 24 2011, 11:03) *
There is also a Betty(?)

I don't think it is a Betti, I don't see cut glass
macoran
QUOTE (fnqvmuch @ Nov 23 2011, 23:33) *
this just in from Storm's free car brochure site;
Autobianchi Primula - in house?
how much is another (- like innocenti too,) questionable development of an Issigonis masterpiece of design; even more straitened than the original product?

On which site is this up ? can we get a larger look at it ?
Can you give us a link ?

Edit to say I found it AND..............there is GREAT stuff there !!!!!!!

http://storm.oldcarmanualproject.com/
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (macoran @ Nov 24 2011, 17:21) *
I don't think it is a Betti, I don't see cut glass

I didn't think it was a Betti either, (the uncut glass is a good clue, Marc!) and it is a print, not an original.

Thanks for the link:-

http://storm.oldcarmanualproject.com/
alansart
QUOTE (macoran @ Nov 24 2011, 17:24) *
AND..............there is GREAT stuff there !!!!!!!

http://storm.oldcarmanualproject.com/


What an amazing site. I had a quick look at the Rover section and I think I did the airflow side elevation here when I was at Industrial Artists in Hitchin. I did a few others including a few sections but they aren't included on the site.

The Rover work was all at short notice and IA got a Freelancer to colour up a line drawing cutaway of an engine. The poor guy worked all weekend and did a really good job. He delivered on time on monday morning and presented his invoice with the artwork. IA were known to be tight with money and I've never seen someone go so red so quickly when they questioned his bill. He grabbed the illustration and threatened to tear it up unless he was paid - which he was - as the meeting with the Rover people was about to start and they could hear what was going on. Strangely we didn't get any more Rover work after that - can't think why rolleyes.gif
werks prototype

Crusader. 248cc ohv four-speeder. Artist, Lawrence Watts.


Ariel 250cc twin. Artist, John Ferguson.
werks prototype

Renault Dauphine. Engine. Artist unknown.


Renault Dauphine. Artist, unknown.
fnqvmuch
QUOTE (macoran @ Nov 25 2011, 03:24) *
On which site is this up ? can we get a larger look at it ?
Can you give us a link ?

Edit to say I found it AND..............there is GREAT stuff there !!!!!!!

http://storm.oldcarmanualproject.com/


sorry about that - shouldn't assume everyone else has found the sites we've found
therefore, another favourite spot for GREAT stuff along the same lines is to be found at;
http://www.lov2xlr8.no/index.html/
in particular;
http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch2.html/

which you will enjoy - if you hadn't known about it before ...
i'm back to wondering about that landcrab with leafsprings
macoran
QUOTE (fnqvmuch @ Nov 24 2011, 21:54) *
sorry about that - shouldn't assume everyone else has found the sites we've found
therefore, another favourite spot for GREAT stuff along the same lines is to be found at;
http://www.lov2xlr8.no/index.html/
in particular;
http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch2.html/

which you will enjoy - if you hadn't known about it before ...
i'm back to wondering about that landcrab with leafsprings

Not working for me !
fnqvmuch
QUOTE (macoran @ Nov 25 2011, 07:12) *
Not working for me !

Visit My Websitemaybe?
tbolt
Try this.
http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch2.html
fnqvmuch
QUOTE (tbolt @ Nov 25 2011, 07:27) *

bingo!
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (alansart @ Nov 24 2011, 19:08) *
What an amazing site. I had a quick look at the Rover section and I think I did the airflow side elevation here when I was at Industrial Artists in Hitchin. I did a few others including a few sections but they aren't included on the site.

The Rover work was all at short notice and IA got a Freelancer to colour up a line drawing cutaway of an engine. The poor guy worked all weekend and did a really good job. He delivered on time on monday morning and presented his invoice with the artwork. IA were known to be tight with money and I've never seen someone go so red so quickly when they questioned his bill. He grabbed the illustration and threatened to tear it up unless he was paid - which he was - as the meeting with the Rover people was about to start and they could hear what was going on. Strangely we didn't get any more Rover work after that - can't think why rolleyes.gif

Great story, Alan, and always nice to see the name Hitchin mentioned on the thread, as it seems to been quite significant in Cutawayland.
CVA
nsu wankel engine by Schlenzig
Duc-Man
QUOTE (Tony Matthews @ Nov 24 2011, 19:24) *
I didn't think it was a Betti either, (the uncut glass is a good clue, Marc!) and it is a print, not an original.


Sorry I didn't pay attention to the uncut-glass and I didn't say it's an original.
The Betti brothers did lots of drawings for Opel, so who did usually work for Vauxhall then?

I found a few other things while I was searching around for that Nova.

A '56 Ford Thunderbird:


Another P-82 Twin-Mustang:


And at last a link to ZERO-X. For some reason the picture doesn't show in the post preview.
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (Duc-Man @ Nov 25 2011, 12:43) *
Sorry I didn't pay attention to the uncut-glass and I didn't say it's an original.

I wasn't critcising! The Twin Mustang illustration is terrific!
MEI
QUOTE (TWest @ Nov 22 2011, 20:35) *
The third, and final, page spread for the Art of David Kimble is this Pontiac 389 V8 engine out of the 60s. A lot of good stuff in there, it appears.
Price is $99, so not cheap, but it is a limited edition of 1000 copies, all signed.
Tom West



I have bought a copy of the book, which has been safely delivered to the UK and is an excellent production. Alongside some of the text are enlarged sections of the original line drawings, which really show the stunning level of detail. Malcolm
Embers


This is the Reynard 95I by Tony Matthews. (That’s “ninety-five-eye”, not “nine-five-one”.) This illustration appeared as a “Racecar Profile” in Racecar Engineering magazine,Vol.4 No.2, and, also, in the May 1995 issue of Racer magazine. From Tony’s comments regarding the unattributed, generic version posted on page 200, it was also used in Valvoline advertizing. Why was this car important? The car was designed by Malcolm Oastler and won the 1995 Indy Car World Series Championship with Jacques Villeneuve. Winning a total of eight races, Reynard was also awarded the inaugural IndyCar Constructors Cup. I wonder if that award lasted any longer than the Reynard business, as IndyCar racing soon devolved into a spec series. The car illustrated was driven by Robby Gordon.
werks prototype
QUOTE (Embers @ Nov 25 2011, 15:37) *
Why was this car important? The car was designed by Malcolm Oastler and won the 1995 Indy Car World Series Championship with Jacques Villeneuve. Winning a total of eight races, Reynard was also awarded the inaugural IndyCar Constructors Cup.

A car that is notable also, for providing an opportunity to dust off and use that rare, but wonderful word/term 'Shortitudinal'! smile.gif


QUOTE (helioseism @ Oct 20 2010, 18:24) *

1989 F3000 Reynard 89D by JJ Francois.


A b&w version of the 89D.
Colour version, first posted by helioseism on page 163.
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (Embers @ Nov 25 2011, 15:37) *


This is the Reynard 95I by Tony Matthews. (That’s “ninety-five-eye”, not “nine-five-one”.)

This is also the Reynard 95I by Tony Matthews, first seen in post#167, back in the mists of Time, and was used by Valvoline in their advertising as it was Valvoline who commissioned the illustration and paid for it...



alansart
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Nov 25 2011, 17:33) *
A car that is notable also, for providing an opportunity to dust off and use that rare, but wonderful word/term 'Shortitudinal'! smile.gif




A b&w version of the 89D.
Colour version, first posted by helioseism on page 163.


Nothing to do with Cutaways (and totally off topic) but the JJ Lehto, driver of the car pictured, is possibly about to be spending time in prison following a moment of madness connected to boats and alcohol!
Tony Matthews
I find it hard to believe that anyone from Finland would ever put a toe over the threshold of alcoholic excess.
TWest
QUOTE (Tony Matthews @ Nov 25 2011, 10:56) *
I find it hard to believe that anyone from Finland would ever put a toe over the threshold of alcoholic excess.



Tony, I had that same thought. Not to stereotype anything here, but I would consider the pressure to be pretty tough for the Finnish, always being the historic buffer between the rest of Scandinavia and the "Evil Empire" ... or is that now the "Sort of Bad Empire" now? Plus, it is almost like being in the Arctic most of the year, and I can't believe that one would see a lot of bikini models around, so the pressure would build there, of course. I have never heard of the Finnish Bikini Team, have you? Just getting ready for a date with a reindeer must require throwing back a few ... at least for the reindeer.
Well, now that I have completely insulted my Finnish friends ... see my Facebook Friends list for all of those consonant-filled names that do not seem to be pronounceable.
Tom West
ibsenop
TNF Index update - page 260 - A, B and C parts

New Alphabetical Order (All hard work done by Peter "Simple Brother" - thank you!)
tbolt
QUOTE
TNF Index update - page 260 - A, B and C parts

New Alphabetical Order (All hard work done by Peter "Simple Brother" - thank you!)

I would like to thank you both. up.gif
macoran
QUOTE (ibsenop @ Nov 26 2011, 01:36) *
TNF Index update - page 260 - A, B and C parts

New Alphabetical Order (All hard work done by Peter "Simple Brother" - thank you!)

up.gif Fabulous job !
werks prototype
QUOTE (ibsenop @ Nov 26 2011, 00:36) *
TNF Index update - page 260 - A, B and C parts
New Alphabetical Order (All hard work done by Peter "Simple Brother" - thank you!)


I had a good look, and quickly acquired a headache, just thinking about the effort.
Thanks to you both. up.gif
Duc-Man
QUOTE (ibsenop @ Nov 26 2011, 01:36) *
TNF Index update - page 260 - A, B and C parts

New Alphabetical Order (All hard work done by Peter "Simple Brother" - thank you!)


I thought about it when I looked if the Thunderbird and the Twin-Mustung were already posted or not.
Thanks a lot this is awesome and makes searching so much easier for everybody. up.gif up.gif up.gif
Tony Matthews
A heroic effort, many thanks!
Duc-Man
Just bumped into one we haven't seen here yet:

I wonder under what that will show up in the index???
ibsenop
QUOTE (Duc-Man @ Nov 26 2011, 10:18) *
I wonder under what that will show up in the index???


TNF Index update again - page 260 - C part

MISCELLANEOUS
Lego Man by Freeny (?) - page 263
CVA
ferrari 250gt page 205 is by Franco Rosso ,not Betti
smarjoram
Have you got these Lotus Europas yet?

http://fuckyeahlotus.tumblr.com/post/12883...ase-of-the-type
ibsenop
QUOTE (CVA @ Nov 26 2011, 13:08) *
ferrari 250gt page 205 is by Franco Rosso ,not Betti


Ok! Corrected. Thanks!
Embers
With all the attention David Kimble is getting because of the publication of his book, Cutaways, I am reminded that he got his first break when Sports Car Graphic featured his story about new cars for the 1965 USAC season in its May 1965 issue. The article was illustrated with his first two automotive cutaways. One of those, the Halibrand Shrike, has been posted to this forum, twice, on pages 75 and 252, with two separate listings in the index. I don’t think that his other illustration has been posted.

This car was known during its early USAC racing as the Harrison Special. As with the sports racing Harrison Special that has previously been posted, it was designed and built by Jerry Eisert. Logically, then, they should be called Eiserts, this one, specifically, the 1964 Eisert Indy Car, the other one a 1963 Eisert sports racer. (This is similar to calling a car a Lotus 76 rather than a John Player Special II.) Although Kimble was discussing various chassis for the 1965 racing season, his illustration was of the ’64 Eisert tube-framed car rather than the stressed-skin ’65 version then under construction.

So what about this car? It raced twice in early ’65 before failing to qualify for the Indianapolis 500 with a rookie driver. Another race after that before it passed into other hands and, again, DNQ’d for the ’66 500 as an Arciero Special. Just proving that old racecars never die, the car still exists in a car collection near Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and appeared at the 2009 Goodwood Festival of Speed.

simplebrother
QUOTE (ibsenop @ Nov 25 2011, 16:36) *
TNF Index update - page 260 - A, B and C parts

New Alphabetical Order (All hard work done by Peter "Simple Brother" - thank you!)


All of the heavy lifting was, and still is, done by Ibsen... all I did was put his existing entries into alphabetic order so I could find things. As I have demonstrated by past duplicate postings, I too easily overlooked entries before - this was but an attempt to stop embarrassing myself.
Peter
simplebrother
QUOTE (smarjoram @ Nov 26 2011, 09:50) *


Good find. We haven't seen the BH (presumably Brian Hatton) version yet, and though the Shin Yoshikawa example was originally posted on p207 (post 8247), the image has for some reason disappeared - it is reposted below because of its larger size. The Theo Page image was posted on p207 (post 8288) in a slightly larger format, but without the frame and suspension detail.


Peter
ibsenop
QUOTE (Embers @ Nov 26 2011, 22:16) *
This car was known during its early USAC racing as the Harrison Special. As with the sports racing Harrison Special that has previously been posted, it was designed and built by Jerry Eisert. Logically, then, they should be called Eiserts, this one, specifically, the 1964 Eisert Indy Car, the other one a 1963 Eisert sports racer. (This is similar to calling a car a Lotus 76 rather than a John Player Special II.) Although Kimble was discussing various chassis for the 1965 racing season, his illustration was of the ’64 Eisert tube-framed car rather than the stressed-skin ’65 version then under construction.


Ok! Index corrected. Thanks!
werks prototype

Lancia Flavia. Rear suspension system. Artist, Dick Ellis.


Lancia Flavia. Engine and transmission. Artist, Dick Ellis.
werks prototype

PW305. Direct-drive front fan. Artist, Pratt & Whitney Canada.
werks prototype

Cyc-Auto. Engine and transmission. (Worm and wheel reduction gear). Artist unknown.
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