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VWV
QUOTE (bradbury west @ Oct 16 2009, 12:51) *
Looking through the source guide in post 2588 I see that Cimarosti offers a cutaway of the Bugatti T251 in his Complete History of Grand Prix Racing. I have posted my interest in the T251 previously and I would very much welcome a hi-res scanned copy of the T251 cutaway for my files if anyone can oblige and send via e mail. Please PM me if you can help. I have only ever seen a small photo of the crossover rear suspension, subsequently changed for massive vertical coils, qv at the Schlumpf, and nothing of the original or subsequent front end arrangements.
Many thanks
Roger Lund


Most of the cutaways in Complete History of Grand Prix Racing are on the small size so this is the best I can do at the present time. My scanner did not survive my move to the new house so I had take a photo of the page with my digital camera.



bradbury west
Many thanks for the responses
RL
macoran
This is by Theo Page,
the title of the file is "image that influenced DCM ".........??
Does anyone have a more complete scan they can put up ? I am trying to reconstruct it,
but there is nearly 3/4 of inch material missing between the two pages it was scanned from.


edit: more like 1 1/2 inch missing, so I am patching it in/up
Tony Matthews
I see they put the crew accommodation right in front of the TSMD Drive Unit, with hardly any shielding, the bastards! It's alway the way, the crew being treated as expendable - I blame the Space Engineering and Associated Workers Union being so aggressive back in the early 23rd Century, to the point where the Union was abolished, leaving the crews at the mercy of the big fleet-owners. I wouldn't give a trans-uranic cupholder for one of those ships now, what with safe teleportation just round the corner - the only problem being the one of excess baggage...
ibsenop
Time for 4WD.

Land Rover by Giulio Betti



Alfa Romeo AR51 by Giulio Betti



Ibsen
Jones Foyer
QUOTE (ibsenop @ Oct 17 2009, 21:06) *
Time for 4WD.

Land Rover by Giulio Betti




Ibsen


Wonderful perspective!

Betti's linework looks so heavy, I suppose because his original format is somewhat small? Great stuff.
ibsenop
More 4WD

Fiat Campagnola by Franco Rosso



and Jeep 1958 by G. Alloisi



Ibsen
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (ibsenop @ Oct 18 2009, 11:46) *
More 4WD

Fiat Campagnola by Franco Rosso



and Jeep 1958 by G. Alloisi


Ibsen

And more B&W line work, nice to see!
macoran
My !! this thread dropped out of sight !
Pumping it up the ranks.....
Dick Ellis' 1966 Cooper Maserati
ibsenop
Russian 4WD by Giulio Betti

GAZ 69 AM



and UAZ 469 B



Ibsen
ibsenop
Ford Mutt M151 by Giulio Betti



Ibsen
macoran
Dutch magazine "Onschatbare Klassieker" June 2007
1933 Maserati 8CM 3000
Who is the artist ? I'm not sure really...could it be Brian Hatton ?
Kuprecht
This thread is incredible - and perhaps anybody could help me find a cutaway drawing of, ideally, a 69 Lola T142 - or 68 Lola T140 F-5000. There are, of course, not that many drawings of F-5000s in general - but perhaps there's one hidden somewhere...

Many thanks,

Reto
DHFiallo
I was looking around and I found this. I thought everyone might like it. It's from Dave Kimball.
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (macoran @ Oct 20 2009, 21:24) *
Dutch magazine "Onschatbare Klassieker" June 2007
1933 Maserati 8CM 3000
Who is the artist ? I'm not sure really...could it be Brian Hatton ?

Could well be, Marc. A nice illustration of a lovely car.
macoran
QUOTE (DHFiallo @ Oct 21 2009, 17:10) *
I was looking around and I found this. I thought everyone might like it. It's from Dave Kimball.

Good find ! I hadn't seen this one before.
I presume you have seen all of his other Vettes ?
Duc-Man
That Corvette is nice. I've seen it before but much smaller. I wonder if it is a traditional drawing or done with the computer...

Okay I just found 'his' website:http://www.khulsey.com/masters_david_kimble.html
He still sticks to the oldschool stuff...
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (Duc-Man @ Oct 21 2009, 17:38) *
That Corvette is nice. I've seen it before but much smaller. I wonder if it is a traditional drawing or done with the computer...

Unless he has changed his modus operandi, DM, Mr Kimble uses traditional methods, but very different to European ways, airbrushing on the reverse of a sheet of acetate. Tom Johnson will know, and hopefully will reveal all... All Dave Kimble's work looks terrific.
Tom Johnson
QUOTE (Tony Matthews @ Oct 21 2009, 17:42) *
Unless he has changed his modus operandi, DM, Mr Kimble uses traditional methods, but very different to European ways, airbrushing on the reverse of a sheet of acetate. Tom Johnson will know, and hopefully will reveal all... All Dave Kimble's work looks terrific.


Time for the revealing - I worked for Dave Kimble for close to 20 years having recently left because working the 'old-school' method as Dave does, it wasn't practical anymore.
The "Blue Devil Corvette was actually one of the last projects I was involved with, doing the inking of the draft drawing. The inking was done on 3 mil drafting film using mostly a 0.18mm(4X 0000) Rapidograph plus a 0.12mm(6X 0000) for the tiny bits. The inking, size 24" X 36" is then contact printed to a same size (100%), litho film positive. The film pos is sent to Dave and becomes the actual canvas that he paints on using gouche through a "B' size airbrush (except for large surface areas). The painting is 100% airbrushed. Tiny graphics are inked out separately and turned into color rub-down decals called chromatecs. All very labor-intensive and costly.

I haven't talked with Dave for some time but assume he is still working using his same methods.

If anyone is curious about more detail about the method, I will pleased to elaborate further.
DHFiallo
I have seen the other 'Vettes and some other GMC stuff. It seems to me that he was hired by them to do many of their cars. My favorite is the GT1 Le mans racer, but he also did one of the old Jim Hall Chaparral that is beautiful. I think he did that one for an article in Road & Track magazine.
macoran
QUOTE (DHFiallo @ Oct 21 2009, 20:51) *
but he also did one of the old Jim Hall Chaparral that is beautiful. I think he did that one for an article in Road & Track magazine.

Can you make that visible ??
DHFiallo
QUOTE (macoran @ Oct 21 2009, 22:58) *
Can you make that visible ??

DHFiallo
Macoran, in June of 1982 Road & Track magazine had an article with a two page cutaway of the Honda RA272. I recently got a copy and scanned it. It's 4653x3183. If you don't have it and want it let me know and I'll email it to you.
Carter Hendricks
QUOTE (ibsenop @ Oct 18 2009, 10:46) *
More 4WD

Jeep 1958 by G. Alloisi



Ibsen


Giovanni Alloisi* was also an automotive stylist.

I spent Monday afternoon at the Library of Congress reading Auto Italiana and InterAuto
bound volumes and there were some loose design sketches in an Auto Illustrazione
supplement tipped into a '54 issue of AI [the late December '52 supplement I was looking
for was not there!].

I'd post one of the sketches but they are way too far off topic. But I think it is
interesting that a cutaway artist could also work in such a different form.

Ibsen: did Alloisi do a cutaway of the Alfa Matta?

--Carter

* same signature!
macoran
QUOTE (DHFiallo @ Oct 22 2009, 03:58) *

up.gif that is top !!!
macoran
QUOTE (DHFiallo @ Oct 22 2009, 04:08) *
Macoran, in June of 1982 Road & Track magazine had an article with a two page cutaway of the Honda RA272. I recently got a copy and scanned it. It's 4653x3183. If you don't have it and want it let me know and I'll email it to you.

You have a message !!!
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (Carter Hendricks @ Oct 22 2009, 04:49) *
I think it is
interesting that a cutaway artist could also work in such a different form.

You do what you have to do, Carter, or what you are asked to do...In my experience technical illustrators are essentially practical, unlike those airy-fairy Artists. If you are in a fix and need a true partner, someone you can trust and rely on, someone who knows the difference between Phillips and Pozidrive, and probably has his own set of spanners - you need an ILLUSTRATOR!
Duc-Man
Let's go back to 4x4 cars: I came across a Mercedes G-Model on the 'Motor-Klassik' web-site



No artist name. A Betti drawing maybe?
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (Duc-Man @ Oct 23 2009, 11:32) *
No artist name. A Betti drawing maybe?

I'll be very surprised if that is a Betti!
DHFiallo
Here is a Betti, and I'm almost certain that Macoran hasn't posted it. he probably has it though!
darky
Panther Six
macoran
QUOTE (DHFiallo @ Oct 23 2009, 16:52) *
Here is a Betti, and I'm almost certain that Macoran hasn't posted it. he probably has it though!

I sure haven't posted the M3 yet, but it is around, and I still have a lot of Betti to go through.
Problem is , the more stacks of mags and paper I move around, the bigger the problem becomes of getting to all the other junk I have.
macoran
Serge Bellu 1951 Alfa Romeo 159
DOHC


Not a car, but beautiful just the same. Rolls Royce Merlin supercharger.
DOHC


And another. Also technically interesting, because unlike the "standard" Garrett turbo design, the Merlin device has both stator and rotor on both exhaust and intake sides.
macoran
Max Millar's Napier Sabre cutaway
Tom Johnson
QUOTE (macoran @ Oct 25 2009, 12:32) *
Max Millar's Napier Sabre cutaway


This illustration plus many other of the sort are featured in a great book titled: Classic World War II Aircraft Cutaways by Bill Gunston.

Since were back into aircraft, here's the first aircraft cutaway I did. I needed a break from the automotive field at the time.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5116/geeb...portsterfin.jpg
macoran
A quick jump back to join Ibsen's 4WD posts
Here is Max Millar's Jeep
macoran
QUOTE (Tom Johnson @ Oct 25 2009, 18:01) *
Since were back into aircraft, here's the first aircraft cutaway I did. I needed a break from the automotive field at the time.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5116/geeb...portsterfin.jpg

What was that beastie used for ?
DOHC
Air racing. Speed flight. Some time back in the 30s, before WW2.
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (macoran @ Oct 25 2009, 17:12) *
What was that beastie used for ?

Cropspraying! ;)

Very nice indeed, Tom, some time since I last saw it.

Just a comment about the lovely Max Millar stuff posted by DOHC, and various comments made on this thread and the one about Werner Bührer. No mention has been made so far about how fashion has changed style. Although we all - I think - appreciate the line work of Max Millar, James Allington etc., if you were commisioned now to prepare a cutaway, and delivered artwork in that style you would not be thanked. Commisioning agents, magazines and punters all expect a photo-realistic, 'computer generated' look. Jim's work was more 'modern' than Max Millar's, I think mine was more 'modern' than Jim's, it is inevitable, and not just because, as individuals, we have different styles. Of course there are situations, the original bread-and-butter work that most illustrators are/were used to, when eveyone involved had to have the same style. You don't get Brownie points or a pay-rise for producing work that is more artistic than your colleagues.
Tom Johnson
QUOTE (macoran @ Oct 25 2009, 18:12) *
What was that beastie used for ?

It is a replica of the 1932 Gee Bee R-2 Super Sportster built by Steve Wolf and Delmar Benjamin back in 1996. She could go almost 300 MPH. The replica logged over 1500 hours (I think...not sure) impressing fans at airshows around the world and putting to rest all the myths about how dangerous the original plane was. It was simply a mechanical creation that was way ahead of its time in design. The replica is now retired on display at The Fantasy of Fight air museum in Lakeland, Florida.
paulhooft

Thanks!!
Gee Bee is my favourite plane!!!
PcH clap.gif



QUOTE (macoran @ Oct 25 2009, 19:12) *
What was that beastie used for ?

MODE
I have a 1971 Autosprint mag with G.Piola drawings inside , I didn't see any drawings from him in this great thread, is it for copyright reasons ?




DOHC
QUOTE (Tony Matthews @ Oct 25 2009, 18:26) *
Although we all - I think - appreciate the line work of Max Millar, James Allington etc.,


The fact that one can still see that they are hand-made drawings adds a little bit to the excitement.
macoran
QUOTE (Tony Matthews @ Oct 25 2009, 18:26) *
Just a comment about the lovely Max Millar stuff posted by DOHC, and various comments made on this thread and the one about Werner Bührer. No mention has been made so far about how fashion has changed style. Although we all - I think - appreciate the line work of Max Millar, James Allington etc., if you were commisioned now to prepare a cutaway, and delivered artwork in that style you would not be thanked. Commisioning agents, magazines and punters all expect a photo-realistic, 'computer generated' look. Jim's work was more 'modern' than Max Millar's, I think mine was more 'modern' than Jim's, it is inevitable, and not just because, as individuals, we have different styles. Of course there are situations, the original bread-and-butter work that most illustrators are/were used to, when eveyone involved had to have the same style. You don't get Brownie points or a pay-rise for producing work that is more artistic than your colleagues.

I have always appreciated the hand drawn artwork more than any computer generated drawings one finds in the automobile catalogues/magazines of the past years.
Actually, until years ago (10 maybe) I thought Tech Art, Jean Jacques Francois and even yourself sometimes created your drawings on computer generated bases. Of course I knew that
your McRae GM1 and other B&W linework had to be hand done, there weren't computers/software around that were affordable to make such artwork viable in those days.
It is just that my own lack of knowledge of what could be done with an airbrush led me to suspect otherwise when the couloured work appeared.
Also interesting indeed is the changes in style through the years, which as you say is dictated by fashion. I can appreciate a cutaway with annotations, except for the bloody obvious
I don't need telling which wheel or brake disc is the front one or the rear. On an innovative design it can be helpful to call attention to a certain detail.
Did you ever do a cutaway with annotations Tony ?

Bührer is different as he isn't a cutaway man ( though his Tyrrell P34 is very good) he always noted/analysed styling details with his sports car drawings.

As an enthusiast (I take the liberty of titling myself so) I would never post a computer generated cutaway unless it was really way out!
After all this thread is called................................. and artists !
macoran
QUOTE (MODE @ Oct 25 2009, 18:49) *
I have a 1971 Autosprint mag with G.Piola drawings inside , I didn't see any drawings from him in this great thread, is it for copyright reasons ?

I think I have posted Lotus 72, McLaren M19A, Tyrrell P34 and Brabham BT34 somewhere.
No copyright problem, just acknowledge the artist or the publishing magazine.
When I started posting on this thread I thought Twin Window was gonna come down on me like a ton of bricks, but I have always
ackowledged the artist and even the friends who have helped me scan etc..

So, if your 1971 Piola stuff could be interesting to us, I'd say post away !!!
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (macoran @ Oct 25 2009, 21:19) *
Did you ever do a cutaway with annotations Tony ?

The only one I can think of, Marc, is the JPS Van der Velden power boat, but that was numbers on the illustration and a key nearby. I used the same approach on the Marlboro ChampCar exploded drawings. It helps if the illustration is going to be used in several language areas, as you only have to change the box, not a lot of individual annotation. Hope that makes sense, the change to GMT has somehow destroyed my vocabulary.

I admire any illustrator who, after mastering traditional techniques, then, like Tom, has gone on to learn how to do it all digitally. As I have said before, it may be that having the manual skills means that the digital results are better than starting from full digital as a student. I have no desire to sit infront of a screen, although towards the end it was a great help to be able to annotate simple illustrations digitally, then e-mail them - especially after hand lettering, never my strong point, followed by stencelling, and then Letraset! I can't even get excited about digital photography and really miss my darkroom.
macoran
QUOTE (MODE @ Oct 25 2009, 18:49) *
I have a 1971 Autosprint mag with G.Piola drawings inside , I didn't see any drawings from him in this great thread, is it for copyright reasons ?

Here is a Giorgio Piola Ferrari 312B3 from issue 2/1975 of Sport-Auto (Germany)
DHFiallo
Here is an Inomoto from a late Road&Track magazine. It's from the May Issue of 1983. It's an AutoUnion Type C from 1936.

It was printed on two different pages. I tried to splice them as best as possible.
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