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The cutaway drawing and its artists

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#3201 macoran

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Posted 23 December 2009 - 23:15

I found an album of 35mm Kodachrome slides of artwork - this included.

hmmm............hey gang ! I think Tony has lots of goodies in store for us !
he probably now wishes he hadn't written that l

#3202 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 09:05

he probably now wishes he hadn't written that l

I now wish I hadn't written that! Actually, it is mostly copies of cutaways that were also photographed in larger format, I just used 35mm as a reference. The ones that are the only images of artwork that is long gone are of small stuff like carburetors (that must be the US spelling, but it's what Google came up with), radiators and oil pumps, small items that were fun to do and let me learn how to paint without the stress of practicing on a large, important cutaway.

#3203 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 15:59

HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE IN CUTAWAYLAND, AND BEYOND!

#3204 ibsenop

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 16:34

Merry Christmas to all

and Matra 630 cutaway by Robert Roux

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#3205 DHFiallo

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 17:29

HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE IN CUTAWAYLAND, AND BEYOND!

There's something beyond "Cutawayland"? I thought one simply fell off the face of the Earth!

#3206 macoran

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 17:35

There's something beyond "Cutawayland"? I thought one simply fell off the face of the Earth!

My thought ! I actually scraped my leg on the edge when I thought I would wander out of cutawayland for a short break !!!

#3207 macoran

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 17:51

Merry Christmas to all

and Matra 630 cutaway by Robert Roux

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I have seen a "filled in" colour Robert Roux cutaway. that was a Matra V12 engine, but this looks like
it may be an original Robert Roux colour cutaway.
Speaking of Robert Roux, fellow TNF-er Oscar Valdetaro sent me a Christmas cutaway gift.
So for all of us to enjoy.............
Robert Roux' Jaguar XJ120C

Edited by macoran, 24 December 2009 - 17:54.

#3208 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 18:34

There's something beyond "Cutawayland"? I thought one simply fell off the face of the Earth!

Ah well, I was paraphrasing Buzz Lightyear - "To infinity and beyond!" As we know, there is no beyond, but it survives in legend. Marc's slight graze is no more than stigmata, and a session of stitching parts of scans seamlessly will cure it completely!

#3209 dovatf

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 19:51

Junkers Jumo 211... Yours are a little better, Tony ! :drunk:

Merry Christmas again !

#3210 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 20:13

Junkers Jumo 211... Yours are a little better, Tony !
Merry Christmas again !

Very interesting dovatf, thanks for the link!

#3211 ibsenop

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 13:14

Yamaha OX99-11 cutaway by unknown artist

Japanese super sports car, two places, tandem seating arrangement, carbon fiber chassis and OX99 engine as the F1 car.

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#3212 Pat Clarke

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 12:42

Bump

How could this slip to the second page?

Pat

#3213 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 13:14

Bump

How could this slip to the second page?

Pat

Pat, I'm surprised macaron and ibsenop have managed to keep posting so energetically, even in Cutawayland the elves need a kip!

#3214 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 14:57

Now this is a puzzle - a second McLaren M26 - I can't remember doing it, and why would I do two? I will have to dig out my work diaries and check, but what interests me is that compared with the first one, painted on line-board, this is obviously painted on watercolour board, and looks completely different, style-wise. I must have learned a lot in the two years between them, it could almost have been done by someone else! Perhaps it is a rare Toine Mateus...

Edited by Tony Matthews, 26 December 2009 - 15:04.

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 16:28

A bit of old school to pass the time.

http://img23.imagesh...958vanwall.jpg/

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 18:49

All,
Hope you had a great Christmas. I have not sent out much in online greetings as there seems to be an abundance to deal with, so will gift you with a few more of the recent scans as your holiday present from me.
This first (of the group) is a Vic Berris illustration that I have from Car and Driver, December, 1963. This is the Climax-engined Cooper Formula 1 ... for your dining and dancing pleasure.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 18:55

Here is another Car and Driver-published illustration from August, 1961. In a review of Formula Juniors, Gordon Bruce was included with the Bourgeault.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 18:59

Another Gordon Bruce illustration from Sports Car Graphic, March, 1963. This one is the 1963 Brabham Formula 1 effort.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:06

Another Car & Driver centerspread illustration from Gordon Bruce, September, 1962 issue. This is the 1962 BRM Formula 1.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:19

Sports Car Graphic and another English Formula car illustration from Gordon Bruce. The BRP effort as shown in October of 1963.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:22

This time we have a 1961 Ferrari sharknose with the 120°V6, out of Car & Driver from July, 1961.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:25

For something a little different, we have the Merlyn 1100 Sport from Gordon Bruce, out of the November, 1962 issue.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:29

Another Gordon Bruce illustration from 1964, the Attila-Ford.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:38

Going to close it off with a couple of my own early pieces, both of these done for Dodge News Bureau out of Los Angeles. They were the guys who were doing all the magazine promotional work with the Dodge runners of the time.
The first is one of the original Keith Black team cars of Nelson Carter. The Super Chief went through a few variations, and I got to know Nelson pretty well over the years. This was actually the smallest cutaway I ever did. What I was thinking in trying this, I can't tell you as it was almost blinding trying to do it that small. Fortunately, I did not have the complex style that was coming out of the English artists of the day ... the cars were just massively simpler.

Might as well kick in the second here ...
This is another Dodge News Bureau project of the Roger Lindamood Charger, the Color Me Gone car out of Warren, Michigan. I ended up living not far from where Lindamood was stationed a few years later. This was an attempt to use the NASCAR Daytona nose on a funny car, but was done with body filler and not from a fresh nose shell, so the body was almost too heavy to lift ... not many were built like that, and they really didn't want to show how primitive it really was done. The drawing thus did not get to reflect exactly what was happening under that nose. The illustration was a little larger than the Super Chief, but not much. Not one of my favorites, I have to say.

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#3225 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:40

Tony
Is the Mclaren M26 anything close to the original, the lighting effects on the red makes me wonder. I'm beginning to obsess if the red is too blue or too green or saturation is correct or ..................!
http://img198.images...mclarenm26.jpg/

Al

I meant to reply to this days ago Al, sorry! You have certainly improved the illustration, but the red is too blue, it was a very orangy red! With the basic software that I have, if I reduce the blue or increase some other colour the whole illustration changes - when I had Photoshop I could just tickle the areas that I wanted. Thanks for the effort.

#3226 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 19:53

This was actually the smallest cutaway I ever did. What I was thinking in trying this, I can't tell you as it was almost blinding trying to do it that small.

#3227 TWest

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 20:09

Thanks for another fine bunch of illustrations Tom.

As to the size of the original artwork, there is a natural size that suits the style of illustration, the dexterity and eyesight of the illustrator and the subject matter. Both Jim and I experimented with half-size (20"x15" approx) board, but the disadvantages outweigh the advantages in my opinion, and Jim only tried it once, I recall.

I'm having big problems with British Telecom at the moment, it's taking about 15 minutes for a page to download completey, so I'm losing the will to post. Makes a change, eh?

Tony,
I know that you guys tended to be around 40-inch long or so, where my largest ended up something like 30-35 or so, although that Super Chief was probably about 15 originally Even with the much simpler illustration it was a handful to hold the detail, and I was trying a few things back at that time; sort of hunting for an identity without really having a clue what I should have been doing. I would run into a few of these things from the English illustrators in the sports car mags, but most of the stuff I was dealing with was out of Car Craft originally. And the old Rex Burnett standard out of the early days of Hot Rod (the first one was published there the month I was born, I believe) was really simple stuff. I have a copy of his last drawing out of the 80s, and it was significantly better than the early material, but still way behind what you guys were creating.
Still grateful for the inspiration ... but I do wish you guys had inspired me to do something that actually had a chance of making a bit of money; only thing I would really change ...
Thanks, anyway.
Tom West

And, my wireless setup here is working plenty fast, uploads and all are sailing right along. Just thought I would let you know how the colonies seem to be doing, at least in that aspect. Not quite sure about most of the rest of late.

#3228 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 20:27

Tony,
I know that you guys tended to be around 40-inch long or so, where my largest ended up something like 30-35 or so...

20"x30" for me Tom, a standard board size. Next size up is/was 30"x40", I used to hold some in reserve, always thinking perhaps, one of these days... but it was nice to know that if I needed to, I could go up an inch or two to include some wing extension that unexpectedly reared its head.

Still grateful for the inspiration ... but I do wish you guys had inspired me to do something that actually had a chance of making a bit of money; only thing I would really change ...
Thanks, anyway.
Tom West

And, my wireless setup here is working plenty fast, uploads and all are sailing right along. Just thought I would let you know how the colonies seem to be doing, at least in that aspect. Not quite sure about most of the rest of late.

I agree about the money, I did OK for some considerable time, but things change.

My broadband trouble is local, so local that it only affects me! My phone line keeps dying too...

Edited by Tony Matthews, 27 December 2009 - 17:39.

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 22:27

A bit of old school to pass the time.

http://img23.imagesh...958vanwall.jpg/

Al

Thanks Al, a terrific drawing of a great car, one of many that I would have liked to have done!

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 23:26

I meant to reply to this days ago Al, sorry! You have certainly improved the illustration, but the red is too blue, it was a very orangy red! With the basic software that I have, if I reduce the blue or increase some other colour the whole illustration changes - when I had Photoshop I could just tickle the areas that I wanted. Thanks for the effort.

Tony
Thanks for the feedback. Figured I'd give it one last shot then go off in search of a life. I used the attached photo as a reference. I find that when one doesn't know what one is doing every attempt is an adventure, every result unexpected, possibly pleasurable and never reproducible.

http://img6.imagesha...composite1.jpg/

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#3231 macoran

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 18:08

Lotus 70 F5000 by Bill Bennett
Scans Roger Lund

#3232 macoran

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 18:13

This time we have a 1961 Ferrari sharknose with the 120°V6, out of Car & Driver from July, 1961.
Tom West

Tom I scanned and posted that when we were heavy on Sharknoses here, but the C&D issue was with a red background.
Did you filter that out ?

I keep wondering how come your black comes out so much more solid than in my scans.

P.S. you saved me digging up and scanning a lot of SCGs, busy you've been !!
Thanks for the great posts.

Edited by macoran, 27 December 2009 - 18:14.

#3233 dovatf

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 18:43

My first attempt with ImageShack : I didn't succeed yet with the thumbnail system... I try it since the Jumo 211 picture I posted from another website disappeared...

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 18:51

2007 Porsche Turbo

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 19:00

2002 Chevy Indy

#3236 TWest

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 21:49

Tom I scanned and posted that when we were heavy on Sharknoses here, but the C&D issue was with a red background.
Did you filter that out ?

I keep wondering how come your black comes out so much more solid than in my scans.

P.S. you saved me digging up and scanning a lot of SCGs, busy you've been !!
Thanks for the great posts.

Marc,
I was figuring that you seem to be about as knowledgeable as anyone I have seen on this stuff, but was wondering if you had recognized that all of those color backgrounds were removed ... some a bit more cleanly than others. All of those were just cleaned out by deleting the areas. I try to do a Magic Wand selection, but that is really messy with the outlines so I usually try to clean that up by either deleting to black on the lines or deleting to white on the surround.
As to the lines, on one of those two-piece deals that has to be put together, then never match up well. I almost always do a lighten with increased contrast to help clean out all the stains and discoloration on each part. Rotate them and match something as a vertical and then piece the sections against that line. I will then go back to the contrast and lighten on one side and try to get them a touch closer before I flatten the whole thing.
Once they are put together, I go back and use a curves adjust to sort of S-curve it to darken the darks and lighten the lights, but by darkening the midrange a little more to strengthen the lines.
That would be when the close stuff on the outline is pulled out of the background, and any adjustments are made. Many of these are pretty faded, so I will do a Highlights adjust on the color to eliminate the yellow and the red, which usually gets rid of most of the discoloration.
They are then moved from RGB to greyscale mode ...
Think that about sums it up, other than trying to fill in the gaps and holes from the folds, staples, and whatever else they have been subjected to in the binding and handling over 50 or so years.
I usually pull them up to give a 300dpi original at about 17-inches, so they are almost printable if you don't get too picky. I pull them down to 2000 x whatever to post here, so they are usually a little under half the dimensional size that I have scanned.
Trying to match up those line shade areas when they are really butchered are probably the toughest, and I haven't been trying to make them perfect, just enough that you get a decent idea of what was there.
Hope is it working for you. I have done something like 70 of these things so I can just put a few out at a time, but it is taking a while to connect them, as you will know.
Hope this helps with the process.
Damn, it doesn't seem this complicated when I am doing these things ...
Tom West

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 13:30

Ford Escort 1986 cutaway by Studio Collins

and Ford Escort 1975 cutaway by Terry Collins

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#3238 macoran

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 17:23

Citroen SM, the one with the Maserati V6, probably by the house publicity department

although it could even be a G.Betti

Edited by macoran, 28 December 2009 - 17:24.

#3239 macoran

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 22:37

Citroen XM by E.T.A.I.

#3240 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 22:49

Citroen SM, the one with the Maserati V6, probably by the house publicity department

although it could even be a G.Betti

I'm fairly certain that the SM is a Betti, Marc, due to the trademark cutting of the glass. As I've said before, I'm not sure why they felt the need to cut a transparent material, but they were/are the only illustrators to do it as far as I know. Now - G or B...? G I think.

#3241 macoran

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 23:20

I studied a lot of Bettis before choosing Giulio, I am glad your thoughts go the same direction Tony.

Here is a little beauty ! an MG TC.
Tony, you'll be able to tell us if Jim Allington ever owned one, because for the life of me I couldn't imagine how anyone
could get this much detail into a cutaway without having the actual object sitting in the backyard...or forecourt.

I had my work cut out as there was a centimeter missing between the scans, now I am too knackered to try and
solid up and blacken the lines as per Tom's tutorial above
Maybe Tom will lift it out and give it a going over !

#3242 Tony Matthews

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 23:37

Here is a little beauty ! an MG TC.
Tony, you'll be able to tell us if Jim Allington ever owned one, because for the life of me I couldn't imagine how anyone
could get this much detail into a cutaway without having the actual object sitting in the backyard...or forecourt.

This is another late drawing Marc, by which I mean - done after I left. The copyright symbol is a giveaway. He never had a TC as far as I know, although at one stage he had a small collection. You don't have to own one to draw it, otherwise I'd have a huge garage!

When I first met him he had rebuilt an MG TF, originally a LH drive car owned by a US Airforce member who had a very bad accident in it, probably through briefly forgetting which side of the road to drive on. There is an airbase near Hitchin, Chicksands, which in the 50's, 60's and 70's was very big, home to a lot of Americans, and I think the TF's owner was based there. He rebuilt it as RH drive, but it had gone before I met him, so had his T35 Bugatti, but he had an MGA in French Blue, and a FIAT Topolino. The MGA was the first 'modern' sportscar I ever had a ride in!

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 12:56

Marc,
you and Tony are right. The Citroen SM cutaway is by Giulio Betti.

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 13:12

When I first met him he had rebuilt an MG TF, originally a LH drive car owned by a US Airforce member who had a very bad accident in it, probably through briefly forgetting which side of the road to drive on. There is an airbase near Hitchin, Chicksands, which in the 50's, 60's and 70's was very big, home to a lot of Americans, and I think the TF's owner was based there.

Off topic: I almost had a huge accident outside Chicksands in a LH drive Porsche 924. Trying to overtake in a LH drive car can be awkward at times although I was a bit mad in those days :eek:

On topic: I did see a drawing somewhere of the Early Warning Structure at Chicksands. A huge circle of antennae on top of the hill. Now gone and I think the place is being used as Council Offices.

Edited by alansart, 29 December 2009 - 13:13.

#3245 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 13:55

Off topic: I almost had a huge accident outside Chicksands in a LH drive Porsche 924. Trying to overtake in a LH drive car can be awkward at times although I was a bit mad in those days

We've (nearly) all been through that phase Alan! The road from Hitchin to Bedford is a bastard, even now that they have done quite a bit to 'improve' it, parts of the old road still exist, and I do have occasional flash-backs when I remember a particular incident or three from the old days! I have a client in Bedford, so I use the road every now and then, always a thrill to see the airship hangers at Cardington.

On topic: I did see a drawing somewhere of the Early Warning Structure at Chicksands. A huge circle of antennae on top of the hill. Now gone and I think the place is being used as Council Offices.

You used to be able to see the Early Warning Radar Display from miles away, I never saw it close up, but it was massive, and a huge landmark from Pegsdon Hills, Sharpenhoe Clappers or Barton Springs - unless you were down at the springs, of course, when you couldn't see much but grass and sky. And the springs. Chicksands is still in use, but I don't know the purpose.

Edited by Tony Matthews, 29 December 2009 - 13:56.

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 14:14

Not a drawing therefor off topic:
Posted Image

Voila! Chickensand radar array.

#3247 macoran

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 14:14

Marc,
you and Tony are right. The Citroen SM cutaway is by Giulio Betti.
Ibsen

Thanks for the confirmation Ibsen, now I can file it in the Betti file rather than just stick it into the A.N.Other file

#3248 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 14:26

Not a drawing therefor off topic:

Voila! Chickensand radar array.

Wow! That was quick DM! Just look how stunted the trees are around it - spooky!

A big seasonal thank you to Marc for getting us back on topic!

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 14:26

always a thrill to see the airship hangers at Cardington.

Yes, yes, yes :up:

For those who don't know what we are on about, the hangers were built in the 20's for Airships, including R101.

One is in good condition and is used as a Warner Bros film set. The other is in a bit of a state and is up for sale. Take That used it to set up their massive stage for rehearsals before the last tour. It was on TV a couple of days ago. My kids were watching Gary Barlow etc, but I was looking at the old building. Looking a bit rough and full of holes. A bit like a cutaway really

#3250 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 16:37

Found this, and will try and get in touch with the Bettis. Brother Bruno is still staff-artist at Quattroruote !!

http://images.google...ttp...=210&um=1

Did anything come of this Marc? I'm guessing no, or we would have heard about it.

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