[QUOTE]Originally posted by polaris
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rfus
[B]heh the funny thing is that the Canadian GP was one of the two gp's they showed live this year, the other was the US. It was great being able to follow live timing and the RC-Live thread on atlas for once - especially when I realised something had happened to alonso in an ad break. [/QUOTE

sorry i have been out of aus for two years. When i was last there they showed the canadian GP at 9am on monday when most people are at work [/B][/QUOTE]

That would have been back in 2001 with it being queen's birthday public holiday the next day. The reason why it wasn't shown live was that it clashed with another sporting event, can't remember if it was tennis or cricket?

Well 7 and 10 have matched Channel 9s offer and have landed the AFL rights.


How do we think this will influence 10 and motorsport?

IIRC the reason Ten has gone into partnership with another network is because it is unable to show Sunday AFL games due to their V8, motorsport coverage.

Then it won't change much from the existing coverage...

I guess Aussie TV doesn't show the races live to give them time for editting the race and insert some digital movies and add special effects.

That's the only way I can imagine why some people over-and-over-and-over-hype Mark Webber.

Brainwash, that's what it is.

The Brazilian GP is also shown live...

It just occurred to me that we could be in for trouble with this years Aussie GP coverage, with Channel 10 committed to saturday football coverage and all...

Hopefully common sense prevails and they delay the game coverage until after the days action.

And as for Ten and Seven getting the footy, it pretty much ensures the V8s won't leave Ten coz Seven were the only realistic rival. It also means that V8 coverage won't get any better, with the possiblilty of saturday races being shown live now completely out of the question.

it'd be on seven in that case, wouldn't it?

i dunno - i'm in sydney, just asking.

footy coverage normally starts at 3:30pm. So they should be able to get in qualifying and maybe a v8 race before swtichign over to the footy.

Yeah the new deal means Seven won't make a play for V8s. I'm guessing Seven will cover Friday nights and Sundays while Ten cover Sat. day and nights. In a perfect world they might switch Friday and Saturday slots during the GP weekend but I doubt it will be that simple.

My concern is F1. IIRC the contract between TEN and FOM is due for renewal soon. Does TEN have the $$$ to keep F1 given the huge amount of cash spent on the AFL deal?

I was pissed TEN and Seven got the deal though. Remember in the pre AFL days when TEN would have motorsport programming on Sat. afternoons ie. CART replays etc. We need it given that TEN shows the races at 2am after Big Brother Uplate

It has already been renewed, N10 have exclusive F1 rights until 2011.

The problem with Australia is that there is not enough FTA TV stations, and stupid laws preventing the existing stations from running multiple channels. Stupid goverment protecting Pay TV

I thought 10 has already resigned with FOM.

Errr everywhere else I have been there are virtually no FTA stations, everyone ponies up for TV. Mind you, i have 30 channels now but most are shit anyway.

There's only so much TV 20 million people can watch..

If Australia had 30-40 million people then it might be justified.

there are many countries in Europe and the middle east with far smaller populations than aus and they get to see chanels from other countrias as well as their own. I get over two hundred here in the middle east albeit mostly useless to me because of the language. Why cant it be possible to see some of the asian networks in Australia. I belive star sports has the GP live. i thought australia promoted competition, seems all they promote is regulation and protectionism

The Australian image and reality are very different. The vocal Australians are mostly conservative and if not vocal, are so lazy they'll let the politicians slip any conservative laws through right under their nose.

WE should get TEN to show the contract that they signed with bernie and see if that ten is breaching the contract and if so do a pertition to get SBS to take it on because none of the commentators know shit all of the the sport. They just read what comes out of the mags. Im sick of the sub standard commentry. they should employ the likes of ex technical directors and drivers.

Did you even read any of this thread or did you just go straight to the end and post?

I did not read this whole thread but if it will make you feel better, in my country F1 TV coverage sucks even more.

I read somewhere recently that the network coverage of V8's is set to get better from this season, something about they're gonna start showing a few hours on Saturday evenings?

It is pretty much a time zone thing, most of the European races occur during FTA prime time slots. The people who pay for the TV stations want there ads on during big brother and the like not a F1 race where maybe a fraction of those who want to see titties and ass would watch.

FTA Digital TV should be able to offer mutl cast over FTA, problem is bandwidth and what product and how advertising gets packaged.

Digital TV is still very poorly implemented here, but Channel ten could if it wanted too run a second digital broadcast within its bandwidth like SBS and ABC, say for live sporting events and even if they were half smart create niche advertising slots for those broadcasts because the people who would switch to watch live are the sort of people that would be best targeted by niche market advertising.

The they could just run it on FTA normal at the later time for those who want big brother and F1 in the same night.

If you don't think it is a prime time thing look at the Japanese GP, we have a Racing Mecca weekend with Bathurst and the GP back to back but to make the news slot it gets truncated, even the Bathurst award ceremony gets rushed due to time slots, one of the most embarrassing race ceremonies was Sandown this year because it was wet the race run late, the guys hardly got two words in.

Then why not just deregulate and let the market decide if new channels are justified? I find it hard to believe that the existing channels would not startup second channels if they could. They already have all the bandwidth and channel placeholders on digital TV, just waiting for when the government stops protecting Fox/News Corp/Murdoch/etc

I definitely belive there is a place for free to air tv in that every chanel gives you a "balanced" program of different things but it does only pander to the percieved masses, the lowest common demominator. Step in cable tv...These are a whole bunch of chanels where you tune in a spefic chanel to view what you feel like, eg can watch world war 2 over and over again on a history chanel, old movies or a dedicated program just for cooking. there are also sports chanels, at least everywhere else in the world. That way "morons" who like F1 like me can watch a race live instead of tuning into tits or ass and preventing those that do from geting their daily dose of crap. Well this is the case every else in the world ive ever been so what stopping Aus? I just cannot work out if a chanel like 9 or 10 doesnt think F1 rates then why the hell buy the friggin rights only to hoard it and deny the fans who want to watch it. I just dont get it. I really feel the broadcasting commission needs to make some rules with hefty fines for hoarding.

But they're not hoarding. Under the Broadcasting Act, "hoarding" means you buy the rights and then you don't show it. My understanding is that there is no obligation to show it live. Therefore, N10 is acting perfectly within the law by showing it as a delayed telecast.

What's different in Australia is that FTA has always had an entrenched and cosy competitive position. When pay TV came along, none of the FTA networks were initially involved and they (quite rightly) saw Galaxy/Foxtel/Austar as a significant competitive threat. This is different from (say) in the USA where cable (as opposed to satellite) was a complimentary technology to FTA because it allowed networks to increase their coverage, not threaten it. The Packers had a significant lobbying ability on both sides of the Parliament and were able to protect their position against the pay TV threat.

The pay TV landscape is a bit different nowadays and if Ch9 still had the rights it's likely you would see F1 on Fox Sports given PBL's part onwership. Look at rugby league and also AFL where Ch9 happily share content with Fox Sports/Fox Footy Channel because they can show everything on FTA. Unfortunately what hasn't changed is that only 20% - 25% of the population has pay TV and that probably isn't going to change too much moving forward. If Foxtel got exclusive rights to F1 then it would never be shown on FTA - full stop. Don't expect it to chnage until pay TV has a significant penetration of the population, akin to USA or perhaps UK and Europe.

I'd be interested to see the ratings for MotoGP on N10 compared to F1. On Fox Sports they show 125 - 250 - MotoGP live, which means I can be tucked up in bed by 11:30 ish on a Sunday night just when N10 is going across to their "live" coverage from the track. Also it would be interesting to compare ratings for the footy "match of the day" prior to pay TV to now. How much have viewing habits changed.........?

I still can't believe 9:30pm - 10:30pm on a Sunday night is that lucurative with reruns of NCIS (as much as I love the show).

There you go - you said it yourself. All of that crime stuff is the genre of the moment and so has MUCH broader appeal than F1.

Right... American crime show about missing persons, followed by Ameican crime show about cold cases, followed by American crime show about blind detective, followed by American crime show about Navy etc. etc. etc. With a big serving of British crime show who-dunnits on the side.

Not to mention shows about retracing evidence of real crimes espicially American ones showing actual corpses and actual detective investigations about some drug neighbourhood

Perhaps not F1 races themselves too dull & too many Tilke dromes, but NASCAR races seem to do okay right? Mythbusters seems to also do OK, I think a F1 behind-the-scenes (ooh, too many technical secrets eh?) show with appropriate drama would have adequate broad appeal?

Yeah but we don't see them on Sunday evening do we?

Oh and BTW.... you forgot about show that tracks for missing person caused as a result of crime....

The FTA's wonder why everybody is turning over to pay TV - it's because the same show is on no matter what channel you are watching! Ahh, television...... the bastion of individual creative thought.

I wish that Aus TV could have the pole runs. Most other countries do.

I wish Channel 10 could delay the race while they switch to their advertisments. That way the vital pit stops, crashes and overtaking that normally happens when they switch to an ad., would not be lost.

If Channel 10 did the same, they could delay the race while they switched to an advertisment. That way the pit stops and overtaking that normally happens when they switch to an ad. would not be lost.

I've said all this before: but there has been no change.

So, now I have got around all the ads. and delays etc etc..

To quote Sean Valen's reference: "My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of armies of north, true servent to the real Emperor Marcus Aurelius, and I will have my revenge. "

Yep I've taken revenge, despite its possable affects against capitalism. I've bought a set top box with a hard disk. I can watch live, freeze the race and come back when you ready. Beer in my hand and smile on my face. I shall just press play and I've lost nothing. I can slow motion at 1/2 to one eighth, fast forward etc etc.

I like the idea of watching the first corner Mark Webber balls up at race time, over and over, and then go back to the race. I'll be able catch up the with the race when the advertisements come, by fast forwarding.

I may not even fall asleep this season.

... serves 'em right I reckon.

Then people will complain that the race starts too late.

Originally posted by Melbourne Park
I wish Channel 10 could delay the race while they switch to their advertisments. That way the vital pit stops, crashes and overtaking that normally happens when they switch to an ad., would not be lost.
If Channel 10 did the same, they could delay the race while they switched to an advertisment. That way the pit stops and overtaking that normally happens when they switch to an ad. would not be lost.

They do, when the race isn't live .

Originally posted by Melbourne Park
I've said all this before: but there has been no change.

Indeed.

Stick it to the man!

Hey Melbourne Park! What sort of kit did you get ($$$, config etc). I was looking at getting a satellite dish/STB combo for abour $500 Aus, but the only ones I could find so far are in Melbourne (I'm in Sydney).

Anything to get F1 live instead of suffering through 1) Big Stupid running 1 hour overtime as usual, and 2) The top and tail that we've already seen that Sunday on RPM 3) No qualifying.

I'd come to the CDT but the commute home would be a pi$$er.

I haven't got a radar dish - they sound very interesting. My parents naeighbour have one. $500 sounds good depending on what you get ... my brother ran a case several years ago for a hotel which had a radar dish aimed at Hawaii, and there was some sort of world feed there which the pub was showing on a big screen. I think Sky or someone like that sued the pub: the pub didn't loose, but they had to stop getting the suspect feed.

All I got what is a digital signal decoder for the local digital signal broadcasts, these start at around $100. With a hard disk, they start at around $290. But my cheap one kept failing, like a hard disk crash, so I returned it and got a better quality one, which works reliably.

Melbourne Park,

Thanks much for the snappy reply. But as Columbo would say, just one more question. Do you get live qualifying and racing on Digital FTA (obviously after you had the decoder card) or does it appear on the black box by some other method than an antenna???

Thanks

PS If you have any brand recommendations, suppliers etc can you PM me with them pls to as not to turn the forum into a marketplace.

There is a miss-understanding here! I do not have a radar dish. I see the same free channels other Melbournians do, (but also a couple of extra ABC channels). The digital signal I view comes through the same arial I used before: the stations - 10, 9, 7, SBS, 2, 31, now also broadcast a free digital signal. There are slso program guides braodcast. One can also get Hi Def through set top boxes, but with hard disks such units are expensive and we don't yet have a di def TV.

The digital signal provides standard DVD quality: better picture, and much better sound quality.

Also because its a digital signal, attaching a hard disk to the decoder (set top box) allows recording and playback of programs very easy. Ones with hard disks attached also allow you to view on channel and record the other.

For $100 or less, you can get set top boxes without hard disks that will give a much better picutre and far superior sound.

Only bad issue with them is they are more sensative to a bad signal: yor arial needs to be good. The better unit I bought also seems to hand our arial much better than the cheaper one did.

I bought it at JB Hi Fi and they were very helpfull with the issues on the first unit and refunded via a credit and upgrade to the second unit which they sold for cost price because of the issues I had with the first. But I kept the box and all the wrapping amterials and remote bag, manual and the receipt. The latter being essential.

I don't understand why 10 don't broadcast pole runs - I would have thought it would help their ratings. Either it's much more expensive, or there is some political thing going on. I saw a GP telecste in China, a few years ago, it seemed better than our show because it had lots of pre race stuff on the teams and cars. I couldn't understand a word though. OK some words, such as Schumacher managed their way through. In Germany the word I most recognised was "Michael". They have great telecasts over their, with Lauda talking to lots of the teams and drivers.

We get a poor deal, but this year, I will enjoy it more, because I have become a master of time. with some luck I suppose ...

Man even here in Canada with a VERY small local interest we get practice, qualifying and all that.

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Chan 10 dont want to do a Deal like the MotoGP with Foxtel, because they would lose a shitload of viewers. Why watch the delayed teleacast when you could see it live on Fox.

Bikes are different, Bikes dont have the bigger following that F1 has.

does f1 REALLY have that much big of a following than moto gp?
are there any stats on that?

just asking people who have any vague interest in any motorsport and millions more crawl out of the woodwork when bikes are mentioned...mention F1 and you just get funny looks.

Idle, uninformed speculation: There is probably a reasonable following for MotoGP but substantially less so for 125cc and 250cc where there could a view that "it's full of unknown Spanish and Italian teenagers." Therefore Ch10 feels OK about giving away the lower classes (and consequently the real bike viewers who are possibly a viewing minority) to Fox compared to their movie/crime drama fare. They then pick up the slightly-more-than-casual viewer who are prepared to wait up but who have no interest in the smaller bikes.

Compared to F1, it's probably more mainstream especially with Webber in the ranks. Ask your casual motorsport fan who Mark Webber is and compare their response if you ask "Who is Troy Bayliss/Corser?"

Finally, Ch10 have given away WSBK which I would have considered is possibly more mainstream than MotoGP. It's more akin to V8 Supercars compared to F1 because viewers can say "I ride that bike" or "I can see that bike on the road." However, Ch10 does not have any full race coverage anymore so to bring a long circle to a close there is less interest in bikes compared F1. QED.

Ten to show qualifying?
http://www.southerncrossbroadcasting.com.a...rie&dd=20060311

read on another BB that it could be in promotion of the australian grand prix. So maybe Bahrain and Malaysia quaifying will be shown and thats it.

Your right and your wrongish, right as to the closet MotoGP closet, but I would directly attribute that to Wayne Gardiner, Mick Doohan. Now that we no longer have a WC, it is the decaying memory of those days that linger. Casey Stoner if he makes it to the pinnacle will reignite those closet watchers.

If MW does anything other than circulate in the next 5 years we will have the same side effect, we also have this occur in drivers/riders ratios as well. Far more interest in young Australian drivers after MW first year in F1.

Far more interest in Aussie riders after Wayne Gardiner started doing well. The difference is that the Riders won alot and now have influence in the international teams where as F1 is still very much a closed society, whatever the flavour of the month will suffice, be it Finnish, South American, British, Japanese, Australian, North American.

So... how do we find out if it's just 'til Melbourne, or for the whole season? Anyone up for calling Ten and asking?

Delayed by 2 hrs !

I will be watching it live via a live stream on the net ;)

It looks like it will only be the bahrain qualifying session. What a tease!

Oh and it looks like the malaysian GP will be on at 10:30pm - even though it does not conflict with the adelaide 500. Although the blame for this one lies with bernie, who pushed the race local start time back so the softies in Europe wouldn't have to get up so early.

Pardon me if this issue has come up before; I have not read all the way through this thread.

Please try understand something of the realities of running a commercial television station. You have to get the factors of potential ratings of the property, the time you air it, the revenue you can raise from it and the cost of obtaining and airing it into balance.

And I'd bet my left thingumejig that running F1 qualifying live does not add up to a viable proposition.

That said, if Network 10 do end up running qualifying in full at all the Grands Prix, at whatever time of the day or night, I'll be very 'appy!

Help!!

Recently emigrated to Perth, Australia and need to know how I can get maximum TV/radio coverage of F1 Grands Prix. I have Foxtel and can get all terrestrial channels here on Digital too.

Anyone know where I can find schedules, etc?

Thanks.

gee you are going to be pretty sad

Only on chanel 10 usually delayed by a few hours no quali although this year they have quali for bahrain in the schedual, hopefully it a sign of things to come


see thread

Nooooooo!!!!!

Qualifying could be the best bit this year, and so important to the races with the new regs.

Aaaargh!!