I didn't get to see last year's telecast but it would be good if they're told, "we love the live telecast, but please give us ITV commentary, the local commentary just isn't up to the standard."

Same with Suzuka, they could be told "we like watching a live race, but why not also give us a full replay of the race at midnight as well?".

the jap gp thing is a wierd one.

i can see where c10 are trying to do something right and 'almost' show it live....

but i think if it comes to a choice between a full gp + pre and post (kinda) race stuff + adds, all squeezed into 90 min, id almost rather have it delayed till 10:30 and get a full telecast.



again on the woods cromley thing...if c10 dished out for them to go to each race i wouldnt lose any sleep if they took on full time comms down here.
its all the little things, which add up to an amazingly big thing, that get missed when commentating from tv.

Word

Actually ive got more to say than that... Woodsie...Shut up! Put Mark Skaifes member back in your mouth and shut up. Your worse that Matthew White ever was, leave the commentating to people who actually know what there talking about. At least cropton has actually raced before.
And as far as live coverage, Channel ten are bound to stuff it up and then id only get to watch a black screen, so i think its safer to have a delayed telecast.

I think they are smart enough to realise if they are no complaints then they are doing a decent job. Something that I get in my line of work (IT) also, you judge the level of service you get on the lack of complaints you receive, rather than the praise.

That's definitely one way of looking at it, but IMO with TV fighting for air-time and ratings I can't help but think with them be innundated with complaints RE: commentary for China, it will become their main focus. They'll look at it and say, okay this year, we'll give them ITV commentary, we had live coverage last year, but they didn't seem to worry too much about that, so we'll put something else in this slot that should get better ratings (though I have wonder whether the Sunday 4 - 6 slot is really that lucrative) and give them a show at midnight.

With Suzuka I guess the same thing, they'll get messages of "don't murder the race for the 90 minute slot" so they don't and just show the delayed coverage. I guess that comes down to personal prefernce, I'd rather see a cut down race live, and then also watch the full race at the end of the night because knowing me, I'm going to have trouble not clicking on my Grandprix.com Live Bookmark that'll no doubt say "Webber wins Japanese GP"

In any business i have worked in, you will get almost zero positive feedback. Its not about positive feedback. And if you are getting no complaints, then most likely everything is well with your customers.

Anytime on Sunday, especially late afternoon onwards, is very lucrative.

Ch10 will never show a cut down version of the race live, and then full replay. Look right through their sporting packages, that is just not something they do.

G'day all. Good to hear people talking. Lost post, apologies.

A few things to mention, I'll number the comments:

1) Japanese GP. I applaud N10 for making the effort to show the race straight after the Bathurst 1000 - even when running 30 mins late - but at the expense of editing 20 or 22 laps out of a 53 lap race? WTF? Last year it was 18 out of 53 laps edited! And no parc ferme? And no Post Race Press Conference? They've done this every year they've shown the Jap. GP (3 years in a row). They know that they can't fit the race in, so why not broadcast it properly late at night instead of afternoon?

And what made me enormously angry, was that the best Grand Prix of the year, at Suzuka, and the best for a while, was so badly chopped up. I look forward to one day getting an actual full copy of the race - and enjoying it.

2) The rights are up for negotiation. Was the BW/NC commentary at the Chinese GP a ploy? Next year is the 1st year of the new F1 broadcast rights agreement.

3) Chinese GP. The broadcast was an absolute disgrace - in reference mainly to the commentary here - but well done for the timeslot. No Post Race Press Conference again. Someone answer me this:

How can two men commentate a Formula 1 race at in a booth at Phillip Island, Australia, whilst the event is being held in Shanghai, China?

Pathetic. And then the audio cutting-and-pasting of ITV pitlane interviews? I wonder how many other pitlane interviews we didn't hear. When I intially heard BW/NC commentating, I wanted to switch off. Woods and Crompton, I believe, particularly as they don't need to speak after ad breaks (as ITV commentates during ad breaks for non-UK viewers getting the ITV audio), really enjoy the sounds of their own voices. Nothing worse than egos present on TV - and nothing worse than people who talk too much. Bill and Neil - it's very selfish - no matter how on topic - and what exacerbates this, is when they repeat exactly what ITV's Allen and Brundle say.

4) I'll take a guess here. N10 are cost-cutting (again). And to save money, they're only going to have Aussie men commentate from their studio in Sydney, Australia (argh!), and use them for 2006 onwards. One wonders why they just don't let ITV, with an ex-Formula 1 driver (Michael Schumacher's teammate, no less), a full pitlane interview crew - in other words, people at the circuit - do their job. After all, Network 10 pay for it.

N10 have this ability to complicate things, when all they need to do is keep it simple.

5) As for Sunday night races. I don't buy Woods and Crompton's apologies for lateness (remember how we were promised better start times by N10), when they still mention that we're going to "live race pictures". It's enough that N10 don't care about F1 (David White, Young, et al at N10 don't answer correspondance any more - and haven't for a long time - and forget RPM Producer). When the races are still late on Sundays, they still never show it full often enough.

What's very frustrating, is that N10's hosts, Woods and Crompton, talk too long in the opening, and by the time the race starts, it's late enough. Ch9 had short openings, late starts, and N10 has long openings, and late starts - they're as bad as each other.

Per your inquiries to N10, talk to Kevin Joyce, the Business Development Manager and Scott Young, the Exec Producer of N10's F1 coverage. I'm told they're not very affable people - very difficult to deal with.

6) It's thought that qualifying won't be justified in the ratings (although I think the OzTAM system is laughable). But to be the only country in the world of the 15 or 16 that host the 18 or 19 races, that doesn't show Qualifying throughout the year - enough said.

Network 10 do exactly what Channel 9 did - and that quite simply is, they manage to screw something up a different way every other Grand Prix telecast. And the thing is, when they rarely get things right - it shows that they can do something. But the attitude of all at N10 (as they've mentioned in meetings by messrs Young et al) is that they don't care about viewers.

N10's deal with ITV has few optional extras (that's why we don't get the brilliant ITV Brundle grid walk).

At the end of the day, I'd just like to have commentary from overseas that isn't interrupted, consistent Sunday night start times (10:30pm to 10:50pm - how much later?), and a post race show that isn't raped.

And considering F1 has more ads on N10 than it did on Ch9, I doubt that N10 are struggling for profitability in their broadcasts. One final thought BTW. Why send Woods and the team overseas to Belgium - why not actually spend that portion of money towards the amount for Qualifying.

Ive said it before, I'll say it again, we need good, consistent coverage - and we've never really had that from Network 10.

best regards to all on another F1 season,
doohanOK.

Would you prefer an edited version straight after Bathurst, or a full evrsion at 10:30pm? They are the only two choices. Keep in mind which one fits better into their 'dusk until dawn' promo.



I have a DVD version of the full ITV coverage if you would like it.



It can be done quite easily as we can see, but it will never beat people at the track.



Bad guess. Having aussie commentators will not save them a cent. They still have to pay for the feed, so there is no saving. Like you said, they pay for it.



I agree, the intro is too long.



The only country that gets the grid walk is the UK.



You think an all expenses paid trip to Europe for the N10 motorsport boys will go some way to cover the costs of qualifying? Get off the smack!

Qualifying is not shown because it will not be profitable enough, it simply costs too much to buy. Be patient, qual will be on payTV sooner rather than later.

Then come to the Charles Dickens Tavern! You've known about it for 3 years now! The more the people the better!

It is central melbourne, it receives:

-live coverage of all races, and qual and practice sessions
-ITV feed for race
-1 hour pre-race show
-30min post-raec show

(and plenty of time to get home and watch the last half of the race on N10)

Next time you guys are in at the CDT please ask the management if they plan to expand the franchise into Adelaide ;)

Any idea where they get this feed from? Obviously satellite but would they tell people which one?

Some of us obviously cant make it to Melbourne each time we want to watch the f1.

GlobalTV on palapaC2 satellite

Yes, agreed. Yet there are some who live in Melbourne and have been complaining about the coverage of F1 for ages and consider it of highest importance that the coverage be improved.

Yet alot of these people still dont show up.

There used to be a site: www.f1fansvschannel9.com

Does anyone know if there is a channel 10 equivalent?

The whole telecast situation here really is, has always been, like a sick joke to any devoted fan.

D

DoohanOK, was the one who ran that site.

it fizzled out.

onto Crompton. He just did 6 laps in a Team Australia champ car! Lucky boy!

He commentated through the laps. Except a pretty good segment during the Indy coverage this weekend.

Rene, I see you're up to your old antics, TELLING us all what we should be getting on N10! Well how about you go and buy the rights, then you can show it how you want. You're not an F1 fan, you're someone who nit picks about things you'll NEVER have any control over. You carry on like you're already in a pension home!! If you were really passionate about F1, you'd come down to the Charles Dickens Tavern and watch all 4 free practice sessions, Qualifying LIVE, and the races LIVE!! Yet you CHOOSE not to. We are very lucky here in Melb to have such a venue, people from other states would love to have their own "C.D.T". So to hear you moan like you do, you can't be taken seriously!!!

Get over the T.V coverage, and then get over yourself!!!

Touche.

Does the live practice sessions at C.D.T come from Eurosport France on CanalSat Calédonie/Tahiti Nui Satellite ?

or somewhere else?

correct.

Anyone know if Ten will be covering F1 next year? Their contract expires this year.

They already have extended their contract for another 3 years I believe

This hit my inbox today. Channel 10 have secured exclusive F1 rights until 2010.



Strangely, Formula 1 fans were unavailable for comment on the deal...

lol we have been owned.

BTW was the deal with all you guys crapping on about NOT having ITV commentary.........FARK its not like there the only people in the world that can commentate on F1.....gees its not like there the JESUS of F1 commentators, personally I think there both crap. And would rather the Ten commentate, but hey thats just me.

Im so angry right now, I had been hoping that Fox Sports would offer a lifeline to frustrated Australian F1 fans, but it seems we will have to put it with the crap Network Ten dish out forever.



I think its time for f1fansvsnetworkten.com to reopen.

Well I don't mind that much, saves me the trouble of paying for cable for a while, I get all the football and F1 I can afford to watch on FTA.

So who are you angry at 10 for getting the rights or foxtel for not stepping up?

While you guys are having a right old whinge, you should complain about the MotoGP footage too. You're really missing out on BBC2's motorsport girl Suzi Perry

From the Anti-Syphoning List Jan 2004 - Dec 2005:

Motor Sports
11.1 Each race in the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile Formula 1 World Championship (Grand Prix).

11.2 Each race in the Moto GP.

11.3 Each race in the V8 Supercar Championship Series (including the Bathurst 1000).

11.4 Each race in the Champ Car World Series (IndyCar) held in Australia.

See? Fox Sports are shut out of the F1 picture. The new list that will come into force for five years from the beginning of 2006 limits the restrictions to each race IN AUSTRALIA. Given that, (my speculation only) it is unlikely that Bernie would sell the rights on a race by race basis - it hardly increases the value. Therefore, with Fox Sports out of the picture for the Australian races he would only sell the complete package to a FTA broadcaster (i.e. Ch10).

I'm not quite sure how MotoGP got through this - Fox have carried the bikes for as long as I can remember, probably initially up against Ch9. They have always carried the full programme and maybe this was a convenient loophole to differentiate the package enough such that Ch9/Ch10 were prepared to co-broadcast the top class (after all, they were/are never going to give up prime time Sunday night to the lower classes).

does anyone know a decent place to download full length grand prixs? I wouldnt mind seeing the FULL jap gp from this year because of the way ten chopped it

emule has it but that could take weeks to download .. torrents anyone?

Suavest invitation down the pub I've ever seen!



I'm amazed people are calling for fox sports to take over. They'd surely do a worse job than 10 and you have to pay $60 a month or whatever to watch it (I wouldn't pay that).

Channel 10 do suck but I think we just have to get used to it. Woodsie and Crompo managed ok in the few races where the iTV commentary had some technical problems but doing a whole race? *puke* A couple of years ago I stopped doing VHS recordings and now have downloaded 04/05 full seasons of iTV and stuck them on DVD. I usually watch the delayed coverage on 10 and have the full race to watch by the end of the weekend.

I think the absolute worst part is fucking Greg Rust. Along with Ted Kravitz he would make a perfect sideshow shooting gallery target.


BAM! 12GUAGE TO THE HEAD!

The reason we had Aussie commentary for China was so that Channel 10 could go to ad breaks on their own time instead of relying on ITV's schedule.

I'm with you though, from next year I'll be getting all the ITV telecast after the race.

ive got no reason to think FOX would do a shit job.

ive had zero problems with all their bike and NASCAR coverage, and now their A1GP coverage.

its live, they generally have a decent amount of time for pre and prost race stuff, none, or few ads during the races.....everyone people want.

the ONLY time i have any kind of issue is for the aussie races, where FOX seem to want to do what c10 do and use their own commentary.

as for the 60 a month. im sure alot are already paying. if not, well atleast youd have c10s delayed and butchered, yet free option like with the bikes.

I queried FOX about their F1 plans, if any at the start of the month, and I got this reply today:

At this stage Channel 10 have exclusive rights to the Formula One. Fox
Sports will be considering making a bid for the rights in the coming
months.
Kind regards,
Premier Media Group

But I thought N10 had announced an exclusive deal?

Im not living in Australia right now and one of the very positive things is even in a developing nation with no link whatsoever to F1 i get...

live coverage!!!!!!!!

of the race, qualifying and practice with ITV commentary. I could even have the local language at the flick of a switch.

So what am I saying...Australia thinks it so fuckin smart, yeh rugby, cricket, swimming, blah, blah, then they think they can mix it with the big boys and go round the world as some pretend police force bulling other countries around, yet when it come to little things like tv they just cant hack it can they. What the fuck is the problem. What fucking century do we live in?

FACT: F1 is the most widely watched sporting event in the whole wide world
FACT: F1 is broadcast live to more than 170 countries in the world, how many countries are there left in the world that dont get it and wanna hold Australias hand
FACT: F1 has the highest paid participants of any sport in the world
FACT: Some half a million people walk through the turnstiles on a melb GP weekend. Thats the same as the SYdney olympics
FACT:Several of the participants including a driver, until recently a whole team, a team manager are Australian
FACT: The morons with the rights to show it do not think there is enough following to warrant showing it live. Which arsehole do they have their heads stuck up??

QUESTION: Why cant F1 be shown live like in every other civilised developed country in the world?

FACT: Because it doesn't pull ratings numb nuts. Simple. Not brain surgery.

Exactly! WTF cant any of you guys understand this simple FACT!. ITS DOESNT RATE SHIT!, so they arent going to put it on LIVE!

polaris, I bet the country you currently live in has a population greater than 20million people too!

actually its about 4 million

Yeh it doesnt pull ratings for the kind of audience that ch 10 and ch 9 pander to. the point you missed is that In world ratings aus rates the worst I know in showing things on tv that are not totally perochial. What are they scared of.... we might get sick of footy or cricket cause we seen something better? in the 80s even they used to have a regular weekly program on world cup skiing ( in perth at least) and where is that now? In fact F1 was shown live alot more in those days as well, WTF do you get now then?... delayed, delayed telecasts. Ok so if doesnt rate better than the news or some dumb repeated movie but some of the programs they showed at midnight instead of F1 were absolute bollocks and they showed F1 at 2am! so dont fuckin tell me about ratings!

Anyway what im getting at is if the people that make up the ratings dont want to see it then why not show it on another channel even if its on cable. Hell there is so much other utter shit on cable why cant there be a dedicated foxtel sports channel that can cover it.

And one more point... How well do you think F1 rates in singapore, malaysia, china, saudi arabia, kuwait, qatar, UAE, ... i could go on and on but the fact is prob not high but hey those that want to see it have the choice.... thats the issue in aus you simply dont get choice.

Well folks Channel Ten does call itself 'The home of motorsport'
Forget about defending them cause it does not rate well, it has never been given a chance to rate well....
Channel Ten should change its slogan to 'The crack house of motorsport' if it continues this way.....

I think they should change it to...

"The Home of DELAYED Motorsport"

Yeah that works for me
Crack house is not very suitable for the kids :\

from ITV:

"The Canadian Grand Prix drew the third largest global TV audience of any sporting event in 2005.

Only the Super Bowl and the UEFA Champions League Final attracted more viewers." ..

And Australian tv still wont show these events live!

heh the funny thing is that the Canadian GP was one of the two gp's they showed live this year, the other was the US. It was great being able to follow live timing and the RC-Live thread on atlas for once - especially when I realised something had happened to alonso in an ad break.

I agree, it was great to be able to watch the TV and use my brothers laptop to get an idea of everyones track position.

Well watching cars travel round and round a Tilke dome with 100s of metres of run-off and no sensation of speed, really isn't as interesting as (AFL) football with actual continuous action to the casual viewer, is it? So it can't go in prime-time.

Ten said it's a fixed number of motorsport programming hours justifiable with their sponsors, any extra F1 coverage means cuts in other areas no?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rfus
heh the funny thing is that the Canadian GP was one of the two gp's they showed live this year, the other was the US. It was great being able to follow live timing and the RC-Live thread on atlas for once - especially when I realised something had happened to alonso in an ad break. [/QUOTE

sorry i have been out of aus for two years. When i was last there they showed the canadian GP at 9am on monday when most people are at work

[QUOTE]Originally posted by V10 Fireworks
Well watching cars travel round and round a Tilke dome with 100s of metres of run-off and no sensation of speed, really isn't as interesting as (AFL) football with actual continuous action to the casual viewer, is it? So it can't go in prime-time.

Ten said it's a fixed number of motorsport programming hours justifiable with their sponsors, any extra F1 coverage means cuts in other areas no? [/QUOTE

well give it to another chanel who will show it. Why hog the rights if it doesnt rate? which century are we in?