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Personal photos from the paddock

Started by Barry Boor , Nov 02 2001 20:25

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#1601 gerard BARATHIEU

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 16:18

JERRY ,

what is the adress of the RICHARD MACON site ?

#1602 David McKinney

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 16:20

I think he means the Richard Macon thread

#1603 Jerry Entin

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 16:42

This is for Allen Brown: This is the Forsgrini Formula A car that was run in New Zealand by Mike Campbell. It had a Ford engine from Ford R&D that had been worked over by Ryan Faulkner. The car was never run with this engine before going to New Zealand. The engine proved very unreliable. It cracked the #8 cylinder several times while the car was in New Zealand. Mike Campbell had won the Formula C championship previously in a Forsgrini.
Harry Swanson bought one of the first Formula A cars. He won a race at Westwood B.C. with it. This was a club type race. Harry Swanson owned more Forsgrini cars than anyone. He was from Auburn, Washington. There were approximately 5 Forsgrini Formula A cars made. They were all made in the Seattle area. The first ones had no wings. The next ones high wings and the last version low mounted rear wings. When Lyle Forsgren went to work for Rupp Industries in the Manfield, Ohio area, he didn't make anymore race cars. He worked on their snowmobiles while at Rupp. Lyle didn't remember the exact numbers given to the different cars in the day. Whatever the entries show is what he was calling them.
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Lyle Forsgren his dad and brother Dale. Another Forsgrini being built.
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Chassis #05- Cars used ZF gearboxes and chevy engines by Al Oppie.
all photos Lyle Forsgren collection-scanned for site by Sandy Forsgren

#1604 bradbury west

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 20:58

I have just come across this website for Neil Twyman's work. Some of you will be afmiliar with the quality of his cars at Goodwood etc. If you like photos of the right sort of cars, click on here and enjoy them. Check also on the "past and present projects" links

http://www.twymanrac...com/gallery.htm

Usual disclaimers, apart from as an admirer of his work

Roger Lund.

#1605 David M. Kane

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 22:38

Roger:

Very nice...

#1606 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 06:57

Jerry

Please pass on our regards to Lyle Forsgren from the Westwood gang. He's in Wisconsin now, right? You can let him know a big Westwood reunion is planned for 2009. I have some photos of his other sports racers if you're interested.

Vince H.

#1607 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 07:52

"Forsgren" sounds so very Swedish. When did his ancestors emigrate from Europe?

#1608 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 11:57

Originally posted by Teddy Dupont
Moving away from Brands for a moment.

Where and when? The US perhaps! I am sure you can recognise them all without my prompting.

Gauloises smoking?

#1609 David M. Kane

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 13:51

Nanni:

That's Watkins Glen, you can see the Red Kenndall Oil (spelling?) on the side of the building. Also the Blue of the Building is the paint they used on everything at the track including the guardrails.

#1610 Jerry Entin

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 15:54

Lyle Forsgren in one of his Formula A creations.
Tomas: Lyle's name is Swedish. Hs family however are mostly Norwegian. They have also been in the States for over 2 generations.
photo lent site Lyle Forsgren collection
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Lyle's Formula C or B car configuration.

#1611 Allen Brown

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 17:04

Originally posted by Jerry Entin

Lyle Forsgren in one of his Formula A creations.
photo lent site Lyle Forsgren collection

Inspired by the wonderful pictures Jerry has received from Lyle, I'm writing up the Forsgrini marque on OldRacingCars.com. Could anyone comment on what influences they see in this car, which I believe was Lyle's first Formula A built late 1968.

Allen

#1612 Alan Cox

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 17:35

It brought to mind David Hepworth's Brabham, which was developed into the 4WD Hepworth-Oldsmobile hillclimb car - in other words sensible, robust, no-nonsense technology.

#1613 David Beard

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 19:32

Originally posted by Jerry Entin

To my eyes a wonderfully handsome piece of machinery. And who needs a roll-over bar with inlet trumpets like that....

#1614 Jerry Entin

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 20:11

Allen and David: You have to remember that Lyle Forsgren built these cars in his own garage by himself with very little outside help. He was what I would call a get it done kind of guy. Like Alan Cox has said. This was a robust car that wasn't worried about being so light that it flexed. It was a safe sturdy car that ran. It was also built at a time when no one knew what direction the wing technology was heading. At first they were raised over the rear of the car. This was proven to be a dangerous situation. They were then lowered to be safer. The width was suppose to be about the middle of the rear tires. Lyle had to come up with these different configurations out of his garage.

#1615 bradbury west

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 20:23

Jerry, I know we keep saying it, but thanks so much for sourcing and posting all these paddiock and race photos. To me it is stuff I have never come across, and anything new like this is always interesting

Roger Lund.

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 07:48

The Forsgrini in the picture seems to have a lot in common, conceptually, with the '66 & '67 F1 Repco Brabhams, although I can't identify any actual Brabham components. As David Beard says, it's certainly a well proportioned and very handsome car, although I don't think Ron would have approved of the angle of those front dampers.

#1617 Jerry Entin

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 11:55

Here are a couple of that famous Indy car driver Lothar Motschenbacher
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That's Jerry Eisert leaning in and talking to Lothar. Lothar drove a Eisert for Marv Webster after this race. He said the car had megaphone type exhast pipes and it was so loud people were holding their ears. Anyone with a picture of Lothar in the Eisert with megaphone exhaust please post it.
photos Gil Munz-scanned for site by Ike Smith

#1618 Jerry Entin

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 12:11

Pace lap for the Formula 5000 race at Monterey in 1968. On top of the Shelby Goodyear truck is Lil Joe Aguirre.
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Starting line up for the 1968 Formula 5000 race at Monterey. Note#14 Bud Morley in a converted McLaren Mk 2 with Formula 5000 body work. The car #12 is the Eagle of George Wintersteen and the #15 is the Eagle of Lou Sell the #57 is the McKee Mk 8 of Kurt Reinold and the red and white #11 is Brett Lunger in the Caldwell D-8.
photos Gil Munz-scanned for site Ike Smith.
cars identified by Wolfgang Klopfer

#1619 Alan Cox

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 17:44

I think that's the first time I've seen a mug-shot of Lothar, Jerry. You seem to have a fine support crew identifying, scanning and searrching their archives!

#1620 Jerry Entin

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 17:58

This is the Mecom USAC entry for John Surtees at Riverside in 1967. Jim Chapman leaning in doing the adjusting. Surtees finished 20th in the Lola. Rex Mays 300 was won by Dan Gurney.
Alan: Ike Smith is the man to thank. He and Gil Munz were the crew for Chuck Parsons in the day. Ike has been scanning all of the photos Gil Munz took in the day. I have been putting the ones of Chuck Parsons on that site. I thought the forum may be interested in some of these. Lothar had a shop fire in the early 70's and was badly burnt trying to get his and customers cars out of his building. He was firing up a Formula 5000 McLaren by the back door of his shop. When as they say all hell broke loose. He lost all his photos and was badly burnt on the face and arms. An off duty fireman happened to be going by on a dirt bike. He made Lothar get out of the building. Lothar didn't know how badly he was hurt. I have been sending these new discoveries on to Lothar and we had been talking about the old days. I don't think I have seen Lothar in 35 years. When I get back to California I will definetly look him up.
photo by Gil Munz- scanned by Ike Smith

#1621 Jerry Entin

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 02:37

Elkhart Lake in 1970 Haas Lola driven by Peter Revson. Jim Chapman and Davey Evans working on car.
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Davey Evans working on Lola for Peter Revson. In top right in striped shirt is Sherry Parsons. Wife of Chuck Parsons.
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Posted 13 December 2006 - 02:56

Originally posted by Jerry Entin
Lothar had a shop fire in the early 70's and was badly burnt trying to get his and customers cars out of his building. He was firing up a Formula 5000 McLaren by the back door of his shop. When as they say all hell broke loose. He lost all his photos and was badly burnt on the face and arms. An off duty fireman happened to be going by on a dirt bike. He made Lothar get out of the building. Lothar didn't know how badly he was hurt. I have been sending these new discoveries on to Lothar and we had been talking about the old days. I don't think I have seen Lothar in 35 years. When I get back to California I will definetly look him up.
photo by Gil Munz- scanned by Ike Smith

I didn't know that. In which year did that happen?

I found something intersting about Lothar:

http://www.markroesl.....ds _1974_.pdf

#1623 markmanroe

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 04:02

The Gil Munz photos are wonderful. I hope there are more! Thanks to Jerry, Ike and Gil for these treasures.

#1624 Alan Cox

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 09:59

Any chance of getting Lothar to sign up with TNF, Jerry?

#1625 Allen Brown

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 10:32

Originally posted by Jerry Entin

Here are a couple of that famous Indy car driver Lothar Motschenbacher

That's Jerry Eisert leaning in and talking to Lothar. Lothar drove a Eisert for Marv Webster after this race. He said the car had megaphone type exhast pipes and it was so loud people were holding their ears. Anyone with a picture of Lothar in the Eisert with megaphone exhaust please post it.
photos Gil Munz-scanned for site by Ike Smith

This would be Riverside 27 Nov 1967 when Lothar drove the Eisert Indycar. My web page assumes Lothar drove the 1967 car that weekend but this looks like the 1966 car, which had been Congton's Chev-powered backup car. If I'm right, this car was kept by Eisert and he rebuilt it just before he died in Feb this year.

Allen

#1626 Jerry Entin

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 10:53

This is from Kent Washington in 1968. It was a USRRC race. Skip Scott and Chuck Parsons car in pits. They finished 1-2. Peter Bryant and Colin Riley and Chuck Parsons also in picture. That is George Eaton's #98 McLaren and that is Lil Marv Webster pushing the Webster Special.
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Here is another of Lothar Motschenbacher for Alan Cox. This is from 1966. Mark: I am glad you are enjoying the pictures of Gil Munz. No one has ever seen them until now. They have been in a box for 40 years.
photos Gil Munz-scanned by Ike Smith.

#1627 Jerry Entin

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 16:45

I would call this one the" Sorcerer's Apprentice". It is Davey Evans in Jackie Stewart's hat and sun glasses and race suit. Longtime Haas employee Charlie Gix with him.
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This is from St Jovite in 1971. Lola T-260 in the Haas pits. Pete Biro is talking to Eric Broadley and Davey Evans and George Woodward working on the car.
photos Ike Smith
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Elkhart Lake 1967. Chuck Parsons and Mark Donohue on the starting Grid. Karl Kainhofer, Mark's main man with his back to us.
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Peter Revson on the Grid at Elkhart Lake in 1967 in the Lola T-70 3B.
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#1628 Alan Cox

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 18:31

Thanks, Jerry, for the pic of Mr Motschenbacher. Yet again, every one a gem.

#1629 Jerry Entin

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 21:01

This is Jerry Grant at Bridgehampton for the USRRC race in 1966. He won this race in the Gurney entered Lola T-70.
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Bardahl one of Jerry Grant's past sponsors helped with the car also. It was called the AAR Lola.
photos by Gil Munz-scanned Ike Smith
Hope no one is getting mad at me putting up so many pictures.

#1630 bradbury west

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 21:29

Jerry, never worry. This is food and drink to some of us. We so seldom see this sort of stuff, complete with narrative. It is fantastic how TNFers share their material.

Roger Lund

#1631 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 21:48

I didn't realize Jerry Grant was such a good road racer. I only knew of him as a Indy driver.

#1632 Gramps3

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Posted 14 December 2006 - 15:38

Since we were looking at Lothar Motscenbacher I decided to offer up these before and after photos.

Before is in the paddock with the Dana Chevrolet sponsored McLaren #11 which the 1967 Mid Ohio USRRC program listed as a McLaren MK1C.

The after is just after Lother’s crash which was up close for me as I was leaning against the fence which is now flattened except for the rather substantial fence post!

Our main concern once Lother staggered from the car under his own power was the little hibachi grille in the foreground which was lit! I don’t know if the fuel cells were ruptured or not but the grille was too close for comfort.

I proceeded to the paddock after the race and volunteered my services to the Motscenbacher crew. They asked if I would guard their equipment while they went to retrieve the McLaren which I was only too happy to do for them.

Gramps

#1633 Jerry Entin

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 21:25

George Follmer in his youth.
Great pictures of Lothar Gramps. I sent them on to Lothar. I am sure they will bring back memories of his wild youth.
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Bill Eve in his Lola T-70. Woody Young owned car.
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Posted 16 December 2006 - 10:35

Warwick Brown, Lola T400, Oran Park for the Rothmans International Series 1978.

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 10:39

A question on my post with Warwick Brown's pic - he may be with a T332, not a T400. Any experts out there?

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 10:46

Oran Park, 1978, Derek Bell in Alan Hamilton's F5000 Lola.

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#1637 Twin Window

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 10:51

Oi, Allen!

#1638 Eshe

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 10:55

Oran Park 1978 - John David Briggs - Tropicana Hotels Lola.

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 11:04

Oran Park 1978 - Graham McRae.

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#1640 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 11:29

Originally posted by Eshe
A question on my post with Warwick Brown's pic - he may be with a T332, not a T400. Any experts out there?

Neither. It was a Can-Am T333CS converted to F5000 specification for the series.

Twinny's right; I'm drooling. May I use these on OldRacingCars.com?

Allen

#1641 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 11:34

Originally posted by Eshe
Oran Park, 1978, Derek Bell in Alan Hamilton's F5000 Lola.

This was Lola T430 HU1, looking very different to a normal T430. It was later wrecked in Alan Hamilton's crash at the 1978 Aussie GP.

Allen

#1642 Twin Window

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 11:35

Did you get my email from a week or so ago, Allen?

#1643 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 11:36

Originally posted by Eshe
Oran Park 1978 - John David Briggs - Tropicana Hotels Lola.

Another Can-Am Lola T333CS converted to F5000 spec. The origins of this car are unknown as it never wore a chassis plate and was just known by its SCCA tag number of 33-673. There's a good chance it was Briggs' 1976 F5000 T332C converted by Haas for Can-Am.

Allen

#1644 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 11:39

Originally posted by Twin Window
Did you get my email from a week or so ago, Allen?

I did Stuart. Work has gone slightly mad the last month (which is good - the kids might now get Xmas presents) so I haven't been keeping up with email. I'm very grateful for your offer and fully intend to abuse your kindness

Allen

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 11:44

Originally posted by Eshe
Oran Park 1978 - Graham McRae.

The McRae GM3, also returned from Can-Am spec to F5000 for this series. It had debuted as a F5000 car at Riverside 1976 then become a Can-Am for 1977, achieving little I'm afraid, and then returned to the southern hemisphere for the 1978 Rothmans series as a F5000. Graham won at Sandown in it in Sep 1978. It may, or may not, have been the basis of the 1980 Can-Am McRae GM9, depending on who you ask.

Allen

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 13:30

Originally posted by Eshe
Oran Park, 1978, Derek Bell in Alan Hamilton's F5000 Lola.
That is Tom Nailard in the fireproof ? clothing . :

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 18:02

Originally posted by Jerry Entin
Hope no one is getting mad at me putting up so many pictures.

Absolutely not, Jerry. Please keep up the good work - I've learned so much about American racing from your great posts in this and other threads.

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 18:31

That is Tom Nailard in the fireproof ? clothing .

The business end of Motor Racing has never exactly been a catwalk, but the current fashion for baggy attire suits the build of the average TNFer rather better than the tight short!

#1649 Jerry Entin

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 17:16

The great Roy Campbell next to a McLaren Mk2 he was working on in the day. PaceSetter Homes was his sponsor and he ran the car for Masten Gregory. He had also ran an Indy car attempt for Jochen Rindt.
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Nickey Chevrolet McLaren at Bridgehampton in 1966. Charlie Hayes driven car.
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#1650 Jerry Entin

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 19:09

Stew McMillan Formula 5000 Eisert
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