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picblanc
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer

I´ve got a feeling it could be entering Glencutchery Road, after the dip, after Govenors, before the start/finish ;) tongue.gif wave.gif


Sounds good to me!! tongue.gif rolleyes.gif
exclubracer
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer

I´ve got a feeling it could be entering Glencutchery Road, after the dip, after Govenors, before the start/finish ;) tongue.gif wave.gif


Hi ex Rhodie wave.gif

I thought about that as well but came to the conclusion that the wall was too low. Hmmmm...... confused.gif
picblanc
Originally posted by picblanc


Dont think its Braddan, I have just looked at some pics no large coping stone on the wall at Braddan.
Could it be on the exit of Governors Bridge, the last bend before start finish? there appear to be faces in the B/W pic?

Faces could be an optical illusion? :\


Ahem!! frown.gif
Sergio
I've just learned how to insert a photo into a message from my own PC files. Cumbersome yes but it's done.

So here's a Who, When, Where (precise location please) which may prove a challenge. I have clues ready if necessary.



Sergio
jeff sayle
Originally posted by Sergio
I've just learned how to insert a photo into a message from my own PC files. Cumbersome yes but it's done.

So here's a Who, When, Where (precise location please) which may prove a challenge. I have clues ready if necessary.



Sergio


OK i will start with a few, Rex White, Martin Ogbourne, Mick Smith, Graemae and Brenda Crosby, Dave "Radar" Cullen, Pops Yoshimura.
jeff sayle
Dont take it too heart, because it has taken you awhile to work out how to post pictures, but it is after 1968. biggrin.gif
PaulMB
Standing left to right, Rex White, Martyn Ogbourne, Mick Smith, Croz's missus Brenda, Croz, dont know who is in cap at rear, possibly Yosh engineer Asakawa, Dave (Junior) Collins, Pops Yoshimura,
Front Row, Dave (Radar) Cullen, Hmmm, Pops daughter, and sitting right hand side our parts store man, can't remember his name though. It'll come back to me. Gordon Whitehead?
Ford Duple Coach at rear as transporter. XR69 nestling in the group.
I would guess Isle of Man and 1980 or 1981, before I joined the team though. Hotel carpark about a mile from Quarter Bridge? South West on A5 from Quarter Bridge. We worked out of there several times.
picblanc
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sergio
I've just learned how to insert a photo into a message from my own PC files. Cumbersome yes but it's done.

So here's a Who, When, Where (precise location please) which may prove a challenge. I have clues ready if necessary.



Sergio
[/QUOTE

Mind you being B/W it does look like a real olden.
Any more Sergio? can you post them in 1969-1990 thread, especially if in that time span.wink.gif wave.gif
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by Sergio
I've just learned how to insert a photo into a message from my own PC files. Cumbersome yes but it's done.

So here's a Who, When, Where (precise location please) which may prove a challenge. I have clues ready if necessary.



Sergio


Front left, Angus Young out of AC/DC ?
GD66
Originally posted by Russell Burrows
This is well of topic (on the car threads they take a very dim view of this), but on the off chance that some of you are cricket fans - does anyone recall the name of the one armed Pakistani test cricketer from the 1980's? I've tried Google but nothing.....I didnt dream this did I ?


Possibly Russell, you may well be thinking of the Pakistani medium-pacer Azeem Hafeez, who had two fingers missing from a hand due to a birth defect, leading to the rather cruel but amusing nickname, Hafeez Handmissing... and actually Gra, the stonewall Triumph and the racing paperhanger are outside the timeline of this thread as well if we're strict, but it's a thread, and they do tend to meander.... smile.gif
Russell Burrows
By jove GD, you've done it again. Funny how the memory plays tricks, I thought he had something going on with his arm, as in it being underdeveloped and not really usable. Whatever, must have taken a fair amount of determination to play at that level.
picblanc
Originally posted by GD66


Possibly Russell, you may well be thinking of the Pakistani medium-pacer Azeem Hafeez, who had two fingers missing from a hand due to a birth defect, leading to the rather cruel but amusing nickname, Hafeez Handmissing... and actually Gra, the stonewall Triumph and the racing paperhanger are outside the timeline of this thread as well if we're strict, but it's a thread, and they do tend to meander.... smile.gif


Did we find out the year of Tom Armstrongs Triumph?
Remind me what is "racing paperhanger" I have been and had me tea and cant remember nowt now!? eek.gif
GD66
I meant the brave soul on the Drixton Aermacchi, Gra....you know, the Ducati replica.. smile.gif
picblanc
Originally posted by GD66
I meant the brave soul on the Drixton Aermacchi, Gra....you know, the Ducati replica.. smile.gif


Ah yes the Ducati, yes now its all coming back!! lol.gif I thought it had all been a dream drunk.gif
ex Rhodie racer
Originally posted by jeff sayle


OK i will start with a few, Rex White, Martin Ogbourne, Mick Smith, Graemae and Brenda Crosby, Dave "Radar" Cullen, Pops Yoshimura.


Jeff, I was looking at Croz´s website the other day, and he spoke about his new partner, Helen. At the time I didn´t give it more than a passing thought because I couldn´t really remember his wife´s name, but now I see the pic and the name Brenda, it all pops back in place. What happened? May I ask?
jeff sayle
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer


Jeff, I was looking at Croz´s website the other day, and he spoke about his new partner, Helen. At the time I didn´t give it more than a passing thought because I couldn´t really remember his wife´s name, but now I see the pic and the name Brenda, it all pops back in place. What happened? May I ask?

Dont know the full story, but he is no longer with Brenda, did bump into him at Phillip Island the year before last and he had a new lady.
Sergio
SUZUKI GARAGE - Isle of Man TT - 1981



Standing L to R: Rex White, Martyn Ogborne, Mick Smith, Croz's girlfriend Brenda, Croz, Yosh engineer Asakawa-San, Dave (Junior) Collins, Pops Yoshimura.
Front Row L to R: Dave (Radar) Cullen, Pops daughter, Gordon Whitehead.

Mick Smith now works for Honda Australia and manages their racing efforts. Radar works for Kawasaki Australia and also manages their racing team.

OK, I now realise this post is in the wrong place but I'll finish it here and do better next time.

So Paul was correct although I don't recognise the location he suggests. I took this shot outside of the garage of the Majestic Hotel - the Magic Stick - which was close to the gates just off the main road and some distance from the hotel itself. I think the Majestic Hotel was on King Edward Road, Onchan at the opposite end - the Northern end - of Douglas Bay to the harbour. It was at the top of the hill and had a good view over the length of Douglas promenade.

Officially, Gordon Whitehead was in charge of the team's parts but he was, in reality, much more than this. In the 1950s he was a mechanic for many famous F1 drivers. He worked for High Efficiency Motors (Tommy Atkins) who sponsored such drivers as Roy Salvadori, Jack Brabham, Chris Amon and Bruce McLaren (amongst others) with his cars - mainly Coopers I believe. When McLaren started making his own cars, Gordon joined him and when Peter Agg (the owner of Suzuki GB before Heron bought him out) started to build production McLaren F1 cars under the Trojan badge in the early 1970s, Gordon joined Trojan. From there it was a short step for Gordon to move over to Suzuki GB when Trojan stopped building racing cars and Suzuki was contesting the world championship with Sheene, Williams and Newbold in 1976. Gordon was a full member of the British Racing Drivers' Club and used to obtain passes for hangers-on like me into the BRDC's facilities at Silverstone. I don't know what happened to Gordon but he was a very quiet, unassuming guy with spades of racing experience.

This garage evokes a number of memories. The young scouse hotel waiters and waitresses lived in a dormitory above this garage so there were plenty of comings and goings all night, especially comings I recall. The garage was a real pit of a place. The Magic Stick is the only hotel where I've seen a live rat in the dining room (during breakfast).

I remember the Majestic garage as the place where Martyn and Radar worked non stop for two days and nights preparing Hailwood's winning Suzuki two years earlier. Then it was a recurring main bearing oil seal problem. I recall SMBH sliding the garage door open late the evening before the race to see his Suzuki engine smattered all over the filthy garage and worked on by the two young sprogs. "Eveything all right lads?" he said, his head popping through the barely open door. "Yeah, no problems," Martyn replied. Hailwood raised an eyebrow and said goodnight. The next day, in his post-race radio interview Hailwood was asked about the race. "Before I answer that, I'd like to thank Martyn and Radar my mechanics for all their hard work..." What a man!

I recall one year (maybe 1981) when Rex wanted to speed up the pit stop which was limited by the fuel flow rate of the antique 1930s' style TT fuel filler guns. So in the early morning hours before race-day, Rex and I went down to the pits in the van and removed two or three filler systems off their posts which we brought back to the Magic Stick. I put a gallon of fuel in each and Rex clocked the time taken to pass the fuel with a fully open gun. We chose the fastest kit and I dismantled its gun. It was an aluminium sand-casting and as rough as a bear's backside inside. It was full of gunge and had probably never been serviced since Shell donated the fuel systems (in the 1930s I once heard). I used the team's dental porting drill to clean and polish the insides of the gun. I adjusted the valve to remove the free-play to provide maximum lift on full trigger. I reassembled the high speed gun.

After a couple of hours work, Rex checked the time saved for a full fuel dump. Over four seconds. That's gotta be a record for effort per second saved. We marked the gun so that we could find it at subsequent TTs. All we'd have to do then was exchange the kit for the one we'd been allocated.

I have some other photos I took during an all-nighter in 1981. I guess I'll eventually post them on the right thread.

Sergio
picblanc
That was great Sergio, thanks for that, an excellent story and read. up.gif wave.gif
pmbboy
Hi
any one recognise this rider?

cheers
Peter
knickerbrook
Is it Barrie Smith?
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by pmbboy
Hi
any one recognise this rider?

cheers
Peter


Erm....Southern Africa. Post '63 British Kirby style fairing, big air scoop on front brake, probably a Manx, so you kinda think it there's a good chance its someone who came to Europe - but then why didnt he buy himself a proper pair of googles...... How about Ray Flack or Owie Howe?
PilotesdeLegende
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


Erm....Southern Africa. Post '63 British Kirby style fairing, big air scoop on front brake, probably a Manx, so you kinda think it there's a good chance its someone who came to Europe - but then why didnt he buy himself a proper pair of googles...... How about Ray Flack or Owie Howe?


Hello Russell, do you mean Ollie Howe ?
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by PilotesdeLegende


Hello Russell, do you mean Ollie Howe ?


Hi Michel, I'm not sure now..... confused.gif The geezers on here from them there parts will doubtless tell us.....
pmbboy
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


Hi Michel, I'm not sure now..... confused.gif The geezers on here from them there parts will doubtless tell us.....

Hi,
I think you are thinking of Offie Howard, but it is not him and this rider did ride in Europe,

cheers
Peter
picblanc
Originally posted by pmbboy
Hi
any one recognise this rider?

cheers
Peter


Mike Grant? a long shot.
fil2.8
Originally posted by pmbboy
Hi
any one recognise this rider?

cheers
Peter

Erroll Cowan ?? wave.gif
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by pmbboy

Hi,
I think you are thinking of Offie Howard, but it is not him and this rider did ride in Europe,

cheers
Peter


But perhaps a bit after the time the pic was taken ? Mmmmm...can we have some clues?
ex Rhodie racer
fil2.8´s got it. up.gif Errol Cowan it is.

BTW Peter, Offie also did a season or two in Europe if I remember correctly. Lovely rider he was. Rhodesian of course smoking.gif
Russell Burrows
After scouring me old programmes...... I dont think it's any of the more well known SA riders to come over here in the sixties, so the only other regulars in Britain at least - and most of these guys based themselves here - are Garth Neveling and Andreas Geogededes, or however it's spelt. Neveling I think pretty much lived here forever, and If I recall correctly was exclusively a lightweight stroker rider (wasnt he also a Mormon and gave notice that in the event of crashing in the TT he did not want a blood transfusion ? ) Anyway, this is a rather long way a explainiing that it's Andreas?

After looking at this again......some highly dubious conclusions based on my fast fading recollections stoned.gif
Henry Snee
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
... Offie also did a season or two in Europe if I remember correctly. Lovely rider he was. Rhodesian of course...
Spot on Rhodie, Owen Fettkenhauer (better known as Ophie Howard) did the TT in '64 and '66. In fact in '66 he spent the season racing in Europe, until a big crash at Spa (during practice for the GP) ended his overseas exploits.
David
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by Henry Snee
Spot on Rhodie, Owen Fettkenhauer (better known as Ophie Howard) did the TT in '64 and '66. In fact in '66 he spent the season racing in Europe, until a big crash at Spa (during practice for the GP) ended his overseas exploits.
David


Do we know why he changed his name ? Presumably Howard is not the Anglo version of Fettkenhauer ?
fil2.8
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


Do we know why he changed his name ? Presumably Howard is not the Anglo version of Fettkenhauer ?


What would you sooner be called out of the 2 choices lol.gif lol.gif eek.gif
pmbboy
Originally posted by fil2.8

Erroll Cowan ?? wave.gif


spot on Errol Cowan it is, not sure what year but the picture is taken at the Roy Hesketh circuit and the bend is Beacon Hill. Beacon was descibed in an early post as being one of the best corners on any circuit for me being very bias I would say it is the best but then all the corners on the Hesketh circuit were the best well thats my view.

cheers
Peter
fil2.8
Originally posted by pmbboy


spot on Errol Cowan it is, not sure what year but the picture is taken at the Roy Hesketh circuit and the bend is Beacon Hill. Beacon was descibed in an early post as being one of the best corners on any circuit for me being very bias I would say it is the best but then all the corners on the Hesketh circuit were the best well thats my view.

cheers
Peter


Yes Peter, never been to SA but remember the 'bone-dome' pretty well .A good rider who was a member of the ' Continental Circus ' up.gif
barrykm
How about Errol Cowan?

Going up Beacon Hill at Hesketh?
barrykm
Originally posted by barrykm
How about Errol Cowan?

Going up Beacon Hill at Hesketh?


Oops, too late - that's what happens when go online when still half-asleep! Anyway, satisfying to know I'm right.
Russell Burrows


I watched Errol a lot as a kid but I dont recall the Springbok crash hat design..... Here he is at Brands around 65.
ex Rhodie racer
Guess What? I found that pic of Offie Howard I was looking for. I was quite friendly with Offie and for those who didn´t know him, he was a great guy and a brilliant rider. I´m not sure how many SA titles he won, but I think it was 2.
Can anyone name the people in the background?wink.gif

pmbboy
I think the picture is taken in Cape Town and the guy in the background with the cap looks a bit like Les Van Breda the bikes look like early TD2 Yamaha.
good atmosphere from the picture it shows Offie as he is, always smiling, I remember him mostly on his G50.
I always assumed most of the Rhodesians would come south as a group I seem to recall Ray Richards and Rob Panter shared a vehicle did Offie have a travelling partner.
Peter
ex Rhodie racer
Originally posted by pmbboy
I think the picture is taken in Cape Town and the guy in the background with the cap looks a bit like Les Van Breda the bikes look like early TD2 Yamaha.
good atmosphere from the picture it shows Offie as he is, always smiling, I remember him mostly on his G50.
I always assumed most of the Rhodesians would come south as a group I seem to recall Ray Richards and Rob Panter shared a vehicle did Offie have a travelling partner.
Peter

Peter, Offie travelled mainly with Keith Petersen IIRC. I did a few trips with them, mainly as the general dogs body though lol.gif . He also travelled with Andy Quinn a fair bit.
Yes Cape Town it is, but I think the bike was his TR2 350. He had the #1 on his 250 that year I think.
The guys in the background are Tommy Johns with cap and Laurie Zeeman (Keith Zeemans dad) sitting on the pit wall. Keith is next to him (with the long sideburns).
ex Rhodie racer
Oh boy, am I on a roll today smoking.gif . The wife has gone to visit her sister and I´ve got the house all to myself, without any interuptions. Raining and cold out, so what better to do than indulge myself a bit. lol.gif
Ok, its local (South African) but interesting. I also need a bit of help with the front rider. Peter?
Oh, and anyone know where it was taken?


fil2.8
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
[B]Oh boy, am I on a roll today smoking.gif . The wife has gone to visit her sister and I´ve got the house all to myself, without any interuptions. Raining and cold out, so what better to do than indulge myself a bit. lol.gif

Well, ex Rhodie with the high class standard of your postings , I hope all of the above happens on a regular basis lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif roflmao.gif eek.gif wink.gif up.gif
Russell Burrows
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
Oh boy, am I on a roll today smoking.gif . The wife has gone to visit her sister and I´ve got the house all to myself, without any interuptions. Raining and cold out, so what better to do than indulge myself a bit. lol.gif
Ok, its local (South African) but interesting. I also need a bit of help with the front rider. Peter?
Oh, and anyone know where it was taken?




More great stuff.......Might need a clue Rhodie: Is the second guy on what appears to be a Honda someone who has been known to appear on here?
knickerbrook
Is number 78 Ian Burne?
ex Rhodie racer
Originally posted by Russell Burrows


More great stuff.......Might need a clue Rhodie: Is the second guy on what appears to be a Honda someone who has been known to appear on here?

I shouldn´t think so Russ. I doubt you would have heard of him, despite the fact he was a real charger. His name was Freddie Van Niekerk and he was SA 350 champion in 1968 I think it was. That Honda twin was a real rocket.
It´s the guy in front that´s worrying me. I cant for the life of me remember who he is, but I´m sure one of the other SA contingent will know. I thought It could be Ian Burne at first, but he´s a bit big for Ian.
fil2.8
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
[B]
I shouldn´t think so Russ. I doubt you would have heard of him, despite the fact he was a real charger. His name was Freddie Van Niekerk and he was SA 350 champion in 1968 I think it was. That Honda twin was a real rocket.

Hmmmmmmmmm that Honda looks more like a converted 'Black Bomber' than a 305/350 to me ex Rhodie sad.gif Do you know anything about it ?? If as you say it was a 'rocket' or was it an ex Bruce Beale semi -works machine confused.gif or have I completely lost the plot lol.gif lol.gif
Herr Wankel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fil2.8
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
[B]
I shouldn´t think so Russ. I doubt you would have heard of him, despite the fact he was a real charger. His name was Freddie Van Niekerk and he was SA 350 champion in 1968 I think it was. That Honda twin was a real rocket.

Hmmmmmmmmm that Honda looks more like a converted 'Black Bomber' than a 305/350 to me ex Rhodie sad.gif Do you know anything about it ?? If as you say it was a 'rocket' or was it an ex Bruce Beale semi -works machine confused.gif or have I completely lost the plot lol.gif lol.gif
[/QUOTE]

Looks like a CB72/77 based machine from where I'm sitting.Can't see any any frame tubes 'neath the motor like a Bomber would have.
HW
fil2.8
Originally posted by Herr Wankel


Looks like a CB72/77 based machine from where I'm sitting.Can't see any any frame tubes 'neath the motor like a Bomber would have.

HW


OK , so I was right , I have lost the plot !! lol.gif lol.gif tongue.gif

I was looking at the space between the 2 downpipes HW redface.gif --could it be in a different frame ??? confused.gif
Herr Wankel
Originally posted by fil2.8


OK , so I was right , I have lost the plot !! lol.gif lol.gif tongue.gif

I was looking at the space between the 2 downpipes HW redface.gif --could it be in a different frame ??? confused.gif


Could be but look how low it seems compared with the big single.That Bomber motor was/is a huge thing.You'd be able to see the head over the side of the fairing.Was the Drixton the 1st of the trick framed CB450s?
HW
fil2.8
Originally posted by Herr Wankel


Could be but look how low it seems compared with the big single.That Bomber motor was/is a huge thing.You'd be able to see the head over the side of the fairing.Was the Drixton the 1st of the trick framed CB450s?
HW


Am not sure HW sad.gif I think i'll reserve judgement and wait to see what that sage --aka ex - RR has to say up.gif
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