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#2201 Arthur

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 20:22

Correct Renn. I allways marvelled at the performance of that machine Isle of Man TT F/L 94 mph with race average 92mph in 1954.

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#2202 Rennmax

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 20:42

Originally posted by Arthur
Correct Renn. I allways marvelled at the performance of that machine Isle of Man TT F/L 94 mph with race average 92mph in 1954.



As you know, they had a power output of around 36 hp and the roadholding must have been okay, too. The MV 250 of ' 60 (Hocking, Ubialli) had 2-3 hp more, so they would have had quite a basis for the years after '54....
Do you know that these 3 small oval holes in the reverse cone added another hp ?

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 21:10

Originally posted by Arthur
Correct Renn. I allways marvelled at the performance of that machine Isle of Man TT F/L 94 mph with race average 92mph in 1954.


BTW, where were this pictures taken ?

Thinking of the TT races in '54, one has to admire IMHO Rupert Hollaus, who was a newcomer and he had to learn the Clypse course (where he won) and the Mountain circuit (finishing 2nd and lapping over 90 mph) as well

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 05:06

Originally posted by Rennmax



Sorry, not again

Thats the correct one, I hope


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..Great sidecar pic - the driver/passenger relationship has to be good..! :eek:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 08:33

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yendor
[B]Another couple of "three wheeler" pics I've come across, well three actually :|

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34, TSS Bultaco? looks more than a bit like Eric Hinton ?

#2206 Rennmax

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 08:38

Originally posted by Yendor
Seeing as we're on charts at the moment, a very obvious driver here

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Good morning mates,

not so obvious though, please give us a hint, Yendor

#2207 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 08:41

Hi Renn, It's Bill Boddice with son Mick behind who began racing one of the old man's outfits age sixteen, I think at Brands.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 08:49

Originally posted by barrykm


..Great sidecar pic - the driver/passenger relationship has to be good..! :eek:


Blimey, titanium arse-sliders!!

What will they think of next?

#2209 Rennmax

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 08:59

Originally posted by Russell Burrows
Hi Renn, It's Bill Boddice with son Mick behind who began racing one of the old man's outfits age sixteen, I think at Brands.

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Thanks Russ.

Bill's daughter (or one of them, don't know) was married to Dave Simmonds... no stunning news, I guess, but what springs to my mind anyway....

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:01

Originally posted by exclubracer


Blimey, titanium arse-sliders!!

What will they think of next?


Sparkling performance, isn't it :smoking:

#2211 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:11

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Any offers on this gentlemen?

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:20

Originally posted by Russell Burrows
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Any offers on this gentlemen?


L to R

Hobl (DKW) Campbell (?) (Guzzi), Lomas (Guzzi), Surtees (MV)
and a Jawa in the 2nd row

Dutch TT '56

#2213 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:26

Almost a perfect score, although its pretty much impossible to distinguish Campbell from the actual rider, Kavanagh. I've not seen many shots of the Jawa from this period...wonder why they didn't use a dustbin? It's the '56 Dutch TT, which Lomas won.

#2214 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:40

Gentlemen

Just a short note to thank you all for making this the most popular thread in the Nostalgia Forum. Puts those car boys to shame. It's a real pleasure to see pics of bikes and riders from 'my' era on here and I've learned so much too.

Oh, not forgetting this amazing thread - 1962-1983: the years of fast racing 'mopeds'!

Paul

#2215 Rennmax

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:56

Originally posted by Russell Burrows
Almost a perfect score, although its pretty much impossible to distinguish Campbell from the actual rider, Kavanagh. I've not seen many shots of the Jawa from this period...wonder why they didn't use a dustbin? It's the '56 Dutch TT, which Lomas won.


There is still one missing...the chap in the overall close to Surtees is Vittorio Carrano, not as prominent as Magni was or is, but staying in the MV squad for at least the most of the era. (Chief Mec for SMBH)

The Jawa was a rolling testbed in these times, I guess...

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:07

Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
Gentlemen

Just a short note to thank you all for making this the most popular thread in the Nostalgia Forum. Puts those car boys to shame. It's a real pleasure to see pics of bikes and riders from 'my' era on here and I've learned so much too.

Paul


Well Paul, its thanks to you too mate! you got the original 15000 thread started, and this thread and the "New" 1969-90 one have grown from that, and now us bike sport fans have really!! high jacked the car boys forum!
:D :up: :wave:

#2217 Rennmax

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:10

Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
Gentlemen

Just a short note to thank you all for making this the most popular thread in the Nostalgia Forum. Puts those car boys to shame. It's a real pleasure to see pics of bikes and riders from 'my' era on here and I've learned so much too.

Paul


Thanks a lot, Paul

On my behalf, I'm just putting down silly comments in a non-native language (fighting with prepositions :blush: :blush: ) , you know I'm the guy with world-champ potential if ever had had the chance to prove but always stood on the other side of the fence.... :rotfl: :rotfl:

#2218 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:12

Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
Gentlemen

Just a short note to thank you all for making this the most popular thread in the Nostalgia Forum. Puts those car boys to shame. It's a real pleasure to see pics of bikes and riders from 'my' era on here and I've learned so much too.

Paul


Yes, there's some wonderfully detailed knowledge imparted on here....eg, Rennmax's latest but one post :up:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:30

Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
Gentlemen

Just a short note to thank you all for making this the most popular thread in the Nostalgia Forum. Puts those car boys to shame. It's a real pleasure to see pics of bikes and riders from 'my' era on here and I've learned so much too.

Oh, not forgetting this amazing thread - 1962-1983: the years of fast racing 'mopeds'!

Paul


Paul, I´ve always seen this, and the other M/C threads, as more than just a bit of fun and camaraderie. It serves an important function in that facts can be presented and checked by those of us who were actually there, and will serve as an excellent reference point in years to come.
There are so many people out there with so much knowledge of the sport, that, sadly, won´t always be with us. It´s important they share their knowledge I think, so that future generations have a sense of history, without which, the sport would be all the poorer.
Thank you all for your great contributions. :clap:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:36

Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer


Paul, I´ve always seen this, and the other M/C threads, as more than just a bit of fun and camaraderie. It serves an important function in that facts can be presented and checked by those of us who were actually there, and will serve as an excellent reference point in years to come.
There are so many people out there with so much knowledge of the sport, that, sadly, won´t always be with us. It´s important they share their knowledge I think, so that future generations have a sense of history, without which, the sport would be all the poorer.
Thank you all for your great contributions. :clap:


Good point Rhodes, not viewed it like that! : :up:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 10:43

Originally posted by picblanc


high jacked the car boys forum!
:D :up: :wave:


Oi! As a fan of four wheels firstly, but a frequent visitor to the bike forums, I must say it is always a friendly and fun place to visit, even someone with such a poor knowledge of the bike world, heck, I even get some of the Brands questions wrong :blush: I think Graham deserves a lot of credit for raiding his photo store....I am going to start a book on him depleting his collection soon, any takers?

I just love Graham's photos of "my old Brands", anything really pre 1970, be they of cars, bikes, or just the empty track, the stuff of dreams :wave:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 11:17

Originally posted by sterling49


Oi! As a fan of four wheels firstly, but a frequent visitor to the bike forums, I must say it is always a friendly and fun place to visit, even someone with such a poor knowledge of the bike world, heck, I even get some of the Brands questions wrong :blush: I think Graham deserves a lot of credit for raiding his photo store....I am going to start a book on him depleting his collection soon, any takers?

I just love Graham's photos of "my old Brands", anything really pre 1970, be they of cars, bikes, or just the empty track, the stuff of dreams :wave:


Yes, of course Sterling, I'll second that, although he knows we all appreciate his great pics.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 11:59

Originally posted by Russell Burrows


Yes, of course Sterling, I'll second that, although he knows we all appreciate his great pics.


:blush: :blush: but of course I am normally found on the younger persons thread!
But I must say as regards the pics on here just lately have been fantastic! (not to say that those gone before have not been also, they have!!) thanks to all who post pics from this era! :up: :wave:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 13:32

Originally posted by Rennmax
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Thanks Russ.

Bill's daughter (or one of them, don't know) was married to Dave Simmonds... no stunning news, I guess, but what springs to my mind anyway....


That'll be Julie , Renn ,she used to scrutineer at the TT IIRC :up:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 14:10

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No prizes for getting the Gilera jockey...what about the guy behind on the bike with the green fairing? Have to say, I'm only about 80% on this myself. :eek: Perhaps a bit more ;)

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 14:26

Originally posted by Russell Burrows
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No prizes for getting the Gilera jockey...what about the guy behind on the bike with the green fairing? Have to say, I'm only about 80% on this myself. :eek: Perhaps a bit more ;)


Spa '57

LL on Gilera, a Guzzi rider behind, is Campbell ok this time ??

#2227 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 14:34

Yes, Renn, I agree with everything except the Guzzi pilot. I'm 99.99% it isn't Campbell.......

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 15:21

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 15:23

And another :D Think we may have already had him today but hey ho where is he?

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 15:26

Originally posted by Yendor
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Mike Hailwood, testing? Jurby Airfield?

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 15:32

Originally posted by Yendor
And another :D Think we may have already had him today but hey ho where is he?

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Ralph Bryans, Dundrod '66, Honda 125 5-cylinder

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 15:34

Originally posted by picblanc


Mike Hailwood, testing? Jurby Airfield?


Right man wrong place ;)

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 15:35

Originally posted by Rennmax



Ralph Bryans, Dundrod '66, Honda 125 5-cylinder


Right on all counts :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 15:38

Originally posted by Yendor
And another :D Think we may have already had him today but hey ho where is he?

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He is here :clap: and here . :wave:

#2235 Rennmax

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 16:01

Originally posted by Yendor


Right on all counts :clap: :clap: :clap:



What a marvellous piece of engineering this Honda engine is....reving up to 20 000 rpm or something like that
Luigi Taveri still has his w/c winning bike of '66, too precious to be ridden :(

#2236 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 16:04

Originally posted by Rennmax



The chap in the middle ?? :p


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Yes, I think.... If it's Keith Bryen ? at the Norisring? Ah so, Rennmax found the origin of your pic..... unfortunately, I cant read German. A good rider who had his chance too late.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 16:24

Originally posted by Rennmax



What a marvellous piece of engineering this Honda engine is....reving up to 20 000 rpm or something like that
Luigi Taveri still has his w/c winning bike of '66, too precious to be ridden :(


Honda RC149, 5 cylinder fourstroke, 1966.

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#2238 Rennmax

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 16:27

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Yes, I think.... If it's Keith Bryen ? at the Norisring?


Yes, he is...

What about the 2 other gents ? I'm sure you know the 3rd (right one), the left is a tough one...

And yes again, it is the Norisring and should be '57 as well. The arcade on top of the tribune is still standing in this shot, was demolished in the sixties


BTW, I enjoy these pics / movies of garlanding in these days. Can't stand that foolish champagne spraying :mad: :mad:

#2239 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 16:30

Originally posted by Rennmax


Yes, he is...

What about the 2 other gents ? I'm sure you know the 3rd (right one), the left is a tough one...

And yes again, it is the Norisring and should be '57 as well. The arcade on top of the tribune is still standing in this shot, was demolished in the sixties


BTW, I enjoy these pics / movies of garlanding in these days. Can't stand that foolish champagne spraying :mad: :mad:


Is it one of the Hinton brothers...Harry Junior ?

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 16:43

Originally posted by Russell Burrows


Is it one of the Hinton brothers...Harry Junior ?



The records show Eric Hinton, can't evaluate that though...

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 17:21

Norisring, July 21st 1957 - 350 Race.

Keith Bryen won it, a Swedish rider V Lundberg (left in picture) was 2nd and Eric Hinton (on the right) was 3rd - all on Nortons.

Enrico Lorenzetti led initially on a Guzzi, but dropped out.

:cool:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 17:52

If you could please ignore the fact that I'm in this one :blush: who else is there?

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 17:56

Originally posted by Yendor
If you could please ignore the fact that I'm in this one :blush: who else is there?

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Little Bill, 88, Jim Russell or is it Ron Pladys?

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 18:19

Anyone know this cheeky chappy?:p
More often seen on smaller capacity machine I think!

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 18:23

Originally posted by Yendor
Anyone know this cheeky chappy?:p
More often seen on smaller capacity machine I think!

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Dave Simmonds?

#2246 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 18:27

Grant Gibson - I think ?

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 18:29

Originally posted by picblanc


Dave Simmonds?


No sorry Mr Fu ):

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 18:30

Originally posted by Russell Burrows
Grant Gibson - I think ?


Sorry Russell not Grant

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 18:53

Is it John Samways , Rod ?? :confused:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 19:47

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