I think I offered Dave Elvin, but I have to say I'm now less sure. I should have the programme somewhere, so I'll endeavour to find it.....
It's a funny old grid though with Dunphy and Jenkins not on the front row. From memory grid positions were decided by past form ? Perhaps it depended if it was a Bemsee or ACU meeting? Anybody out there have a run at the Palace and perhaps remember more clearly? Definiely not McCosh or Ainsworth. The mystery continues GD, can't find the prog......

Hi Rennmax

I know these selfmade grandstands from old pics. This was before my time at the racetracks. These grandstands were constructed with steel tube and became secured by tension wires or ropes. The tension wires were anchored at the ground. It is right, these stands were banned after an accident. I read it in the book "Das war der Sachsenring".
BTW the sequence of the 350 and 500 starting grid is a mistake. The film makers merged it. It were different races.

Regards

Thanks, Thomas.

Yes, the movie is focused on Findlay and his season in the 500 cc class, the starting grid with the flowers on the ground is the 350 cc for sure.
Did you attend races when the factory MZ squad was still competing ?

Regards

No, I was in this time a Kid and had other interests
My year of birth is 65.

I raced a couple of national meetings at Crystal Palace in mid 60's Russell but looking back can't remember how grid positions were decided.The general practise in those days was to draw grid numbers from a bag when you entered the warm up paddock so it was the luck of the draw at least in the heats.With stationary engines and push start it was'nt such a handicap being to rear of grid.
Palace was a nice smooth circuit better than some of the airfield concrete tracks ie Silverstone,Snetterton ect but what I remember there was plenty of solid stuff to hit if you made a mistake especially one bend which swept under a bridge.

Continental Circus is available as a torrent. Thats how I DVD'd it. Excellent film with the late Jack centre stage

Hi Arthur, Yes, I found one A.C. Lawn at the Palace in Easter '63 with an EMC/Puch and the Moto Guzzi. I was almost certainly there watching you Arthur. The old Palace programmes show that unlike the August Bank holiday meetings, those at Easter held heats and finals, at least until the late sixties. Numbers out of a bag.....I once got pole at Snetterton.

The kink down the back straight Arthur, and some of the obstacles.

That looks better Russ Did it happen again ??

Only in my dreams...

Well at least you took part nighty night matey :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

An easy one?

Apparently not, Russ

Wild guess.. Pip Harris...no, in these days he drove a Norton...

Shocked and stunned is wot I am...... He made an appearance on here just a few days ago.

A really easy one then

Gentleman crouching - John Hartle

Spot on Gripper. The other guy was a factory Macchi rider for a fair few years......

Alberto Milani ?

Yes, Gilberto Milani

The outfit rider is Swiss and the bloke in the chair is arguably more famous........

Would you please give us the where and when, Russ ?

Don't think it's a event in UK

'59 TT.... Sorry, musn't be Anglocentric, IOM TT.

Strange indeed.... doesn't look like IOM TT paddock or Glencrutchery road

Haven't noticed such a lot of strawbales in this spot nor somehow Italian or Teutonic overcoats in the background...

Furthermore


http://www.iomtt.com/TT-Database/Events/Ra...LL&ride_id=2021

Sorry Renn, I've mislead you. I am now refering to the guys on the Be'em oufit.

I not sure where the Hartle /Milani shot was taken, although it looks like one of those up and down the seafront, early in the year Italian meetings. It's 1962.

Strub/ M. Wollett ?

Yes.. Mick Woollet before his journalism career took off.

Bought myself a Teutonic overcoat one December in Berlin...

Gilberto had an absolutely stunning daughter named Laura. A real blond beauty she was.
Mmmmmm....... I wonder whatever happened to her.

Something strange about this Yam, gents ?

Not so sure by myself, so where are the Yam and/or Ferry Brouwer collection experts ?

I think this is Ferry's take on what a 350/4 from that period would have looked like --engine RTM

What makes me wonder is the engine.... is it a real thing compared to




A long time ago, there was a post in the original 69-90 thread about a Morbidelli 350 motor used for Yam RD05 replica. I'm wondering if the 1st picture is showing this bike ?
Can anyone recall this story or am I going nuts ?

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What makes me wonder is the engine.... is it a real thing compared to

Read my edit Renn , engine RTM .Incidently have a look at Ferrys 'Yamaha Classic Racing Team '

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Read my edit Renn , engine RTM .Incidently have a look at Ferrys 'Yamaha Classic Racing Team ' [/QUOTE]

Thanks,


hv had a glance at Ferry's website....

The Milani/Hartle photo is from the Imola Coppa d'Oro Shell in 1962, while that of Edgar Strub/Mick Woollett was taken at the Nursery Bends on the Clypse Circuit, on the run from the Manxie (Manx Arms in Onchan) up to Signpost Corner.

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That reminds me, I've gotta repair my washing machine.....

The real one:

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That reminds me, I've gotta repair my washing machine..... [/QUOTE]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr oh Russ it's exotic and grrrrrrrrrrrreat a PROPER works bike IMHO ( well could have been ) but enjoyed your joke

Not that long ago , Rennmax, only about a year , when I saw it and spoke to Michelle Duff about it at the Moto-Légende meeting in Dijon.

I can't copy my original picture and post here 'cos the old thread is closed, so the link to the post is here
http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php...110#post3147110
and I would suggest those interested to also take a look at the story linked at the end of that post, about the original Morbidelli 350 square-4 .

Regarding the "RTM" designation vs "Morbidelli" , I have been wondering lately if there was a link between the 1973 Morbidelli engine ( which never raced ) and the strangely similar RTM engine that Carlo Perugini raced in GP's a season or two in the late 70's . There may well be ( and it could maybe be the very same thing ) since if I'm not mistaken both engines were developped by italian engineer Franco Ringhini ...

Regarding the actual engine in the 350 Yamaha replica, it would make sense if it was from RTM since a while ago Ferry Brouwer had acquired and restored the original complete RTM bike - and he may either have gotten a spare engine with it, or used the engine from the bike to better effect....and Michelle Duff may also have oversimplified things when she told me it was a "Morbidelli" engine .

Fascinating topic, anyway....

...... and by the way....the 250 square-4 Yamaha the the Brouwer Classic Team parades on track is also a brand new re-creation of the original - and Ferry makes no mystery about the fact that most of his bikes are similar re-creations, the originals being either gone, or too valuable, or unsafe to ride .

I am fairly certain Philippe, that the RD05 the RA31 and the RD56 at Assen in '98 were the originals -with the mechanics from that period in attendance

The RTM 350 from 1979, a square four.

The engine from the "replica" Yamaha 350 is a V-four as the original is.

Assen '98

RTM 350-4:



RTM 250 & 350:

Carrying on from last pic Michelle Duff talking to engineer

In 1998 at the Centennial TT , yes, absolutely, you're perfectly right, the bikes were coming from the Yamaha museum .

But the ones dispayed on track today , 10 years later, are mostly* replicas / recreations , I haven't looked on Ferry's site right now but from memory I'm fairly certain that he makes no mystery about it in his description of the machines . The 250-4 at Dijon last year was said to be "brand new".

* mostly, not all, the "Katayama" 350-3 and the similar 500-3 of Van Der Kruys for instance are probably the originals .

OK, I give up, then

Never give up

Ferry say's it is an RTM engine in a RD05 frame.....Link.....scroll down.

I see also square four Ferry come over here and tell us more

If this helps the Yamaha 350/4 question, it is the RTM engine in Yamaha running gear, the 250/4 pictured at a show (posted by Rennmax) is a new machine, built from scratch by Ferry from drawings supplied by Yamaha, it was ridden during 08 at Spa & Schotten by Chas Mortimer, a 124/4 is now completed.
The 350/4 was ridden at the 07 TT Friday lap by Rod Gould, (attached pic) notice the longer stingers, makes it easy to recognise.
The 1970 a/c 250 ridden by Rod, the 1972 w/c 250 ridden by Rod or Chas and the 1972 w/c 350 ridden by Dieter Braun are all original machines.
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Another shot from the mysterious one...

Just to interject briefly, I was flicking through the Race Retro 2009 Stoneleigh thread, and post #175 contains a pic of the JP7, the 500 racing car built by Bob Mac's bike builder, Joe Potts the Belshill undertaker. Worth a look, also the Greenwood Mini's there. Looks like a good display all round.

Godd morning gents,

nice little commercial for a starter....

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category...079771hXrCwDFZ#