April fools day was a couple of days a go Glen!!

Charlie Williams?

Yes, it's Siggi Wünsche on the #1 DKW... he had his fair share of success in the TT (pre and postwar) but he didn't win...probably the guy in the background is Charlie Williams, don't know...but it's the guy on the other bike I have in mind

I remember seeing Chris Conn come off at Mallory in a downpour. He started to lose it on the Elbow and went over the line (in 1st place I think) on his belly with arms and legs stretched out. I remember thinking that he probably knew how to steer himself in that position because of all the parachuting he must have done in the RAF! (Bless!... I was only little!).

And who was it who posted a little while ago about having an A10 with a Monza chair when they were a kid. I'm having an identity crisis here, because so did I!

Heinz Rosner? Gueesing really...can you tell?

No, Graham...it's Heinz Luthringshauser, 500 cc sidecar winner in '74

and the bikes are pre war DKWs, which are very interesting on the technical side....double port (correct expression ?) ... two pistons but one common combustion chamber...3rd piston acting as charging pump (no roots type layout)...and rotary valve in cylinder form (no rotary disc) ...well I notice my limits in (technical) English...anyway Ewald Kluge won the lightweight TT in '38 on such a bike

Your description is very good. The layout with two cylinders and one common combustion chamber is normally referred to as a "split single". I believe Kluge's TT winner was reputed to produce around 30 bhp which was a fantastic figure for a pre-war 250.

Hi Maridadi, thanks for your kind words.
Yes, the DKW is a brilliant example for the sophisticted engineering in the immediate pre-war era... the Gilera Rondine, AJS V4, Velocette Roarer (Arthur provided a pic of it recently in this thread), Benelli 250 four etc etc...
on the other side, I admire very much the 91 mph lap of Harold Daniell in the TT of '38 on a rather simple gardengate Norton....as brilliant as SMBH' s 108.77 mph lap nearly 30 years later, perhaps even more....

sorry chaps, era out of thread but I'm not sure if it's worth to start a new one...

Brilliant engineering..

Yes Renn ,thats what you would call 'Ultra -Q-D' I reckon

Puch also produced a split single 125cc which Dr joe Erlich used in the EMC Puch in the 1950s

Joe also produced a 350 split single EMC in England in the late '40s.

the lower third might be quite interesting

http://www.1990greif.de/hugo/tradition.html


Dr. Joe Ehrlich was a director with Puch 'til he emigrated (rather he had to, I suppose...) to UK in '39, didn't know that...

Good Friday, forty six years ago.....

#55 and #41 should be the easy ones, #11 a young Mint... the rest is for the real experts, have to opt out of it

54 Tony Godfrey?

Mmmmmmmmmm #54 Paddy Driver
Where can you go now at Easter?? OK , i'm off to Pembrey in the morning which I am looking foreward to ,but it's hardly the same...............................

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43, Mike (michelle) Duff

Well done gents, mostly correct. It was up previously but some time ago. L to R Hailwood, Duff, Read, Hartle, Minter, Godfrey, Dunphy, and Driver. It's Brands, Good Friday, '63. This 350 race turned into a brilliant four way battle between, Hailwood, Minter, Read and Duff. Hailwood led for much of the race but crashed at Clearways on the last lap, almost taking Minter with him, but Derek stayed on to win from Read and Duff. This was the meeting where Hailwood was due to ride the MV against the Gileras of Minter and Hartle but didn't make the start due to injuries from the earlier race. I think Minter went on to set the first ever over 90 mph lap of Brands that day?

There must be something very interesting right in the middle of the starting grid, all riders turn their heads towards...

I wonder if it's not a bit of leg pulling/ joking ?

The Mint definitely looks quite delighted..

And, as mentioned before, just EIGHT wide on the grid - eek !

Hopefully this link will work!

I found this in a 1953 Shell Successes book.

Anyone know what happened to John?

Here is a small amount about him. It seems he emigrated to Canada.

http://www.silverdragons.co.uk/1952/1952_junior_race.htm

Thanks, Paul. Enjoyable web site indeed, worth rummaging through ..

The Dave Bennett mentioned in the blurb was killed on a factory Norton around '52ish. Although it appears to contradict the info on the site, I thought it was his first ever ride on a factory Manx.

Dave Bennett was killed in Bremgarten in May '52 (a fortnight after the Eppynt event), which was the 1st Grand Prix of this season and, acc to M. Walker's Manx book, Bennett's first race on the continent....in this book he is described as "he had only recently begun work at Norton"...

Thanks for the info, Paul. I checked the Canadian telephone directories and there are five john Storrs that come up.

He had a brother, Don, who used to ride a 7R. He didn't take things quite as seriously as John. I wonder where he is now.

Gentlemen, who might this be ? And perhaps where and when?

Well Russ me old mucker 18 IIRC was a number used by SMBH in the TT . And the lid looks like an early Hailwood --about '58 I guess in the Island but rider looks more like Tommy Robb :\

Hi Phil, '58 is right, so is the Island......less accurate though on the rider's ID.

Is it Bill Smith?

Good punt, but not Bill. Clue then: the same guy also rode a G50 in the Senior.

Huh ,you call that a clue!!!!

Smiling Jack Ahearn.

The G50 he rode in the Senior was the first to leave the factory.

The Aussies always smartened themselves up properly for the pre-race weigh-in!!

Yes Larry, Jack resplendent in his ACCA jacket. Well done. Presumably the G50 was a factory development bike, although I don't suppose it was very different from the then newly introduced 'big 7R' ?.

That was a good clue ! First G50 etc.....

What bike could this one be, gents ?

Bennelli circa '64

Hi Russ, it's not a Benelli.... it's not sooo easy

Mmmmm, in which case, er...... dunno. Renn, are you hinting that it's some sort of special ?

http://www.motomoriniclub.nl/250_foto3.jpg

Found this while searching for your mystery bike Renn - lovely or what....

well, it's not a private effort, it was built by a motorcycle company...

http://www.motomoriniclub.nl/fast.html

The full thing.

Laverda?

Indeed, one of my all time favourites... still have a lp covering the German GP of '63, where Provini beat all the 4 cylinder bikes of Honda and Benelli on that very fast Hockenheim circuit (only 2 corners in these days), so the single was probably more beefy than the multis..he came very close to clinch the championship in this year and finally finished 2 points behind Redman

No Graham, Laverda never tried their luck at GP racing, only endurance with their 750 SFC and a few outings on the 1000 triple and that impressive 6 cylinder at the Bol d'or in '78

Should we be thinking Eastern Europe.....CZ built a four, but was it accross the frame ? Before the stepped type four of the late sixties that is.....

How about a Russian Vostock ???