You're thinking of that one ?

The very one Renn. A vee four really - wasn't this a 350 or 500. For some reason I think your pic is of a two fifty? Perhaps I'm mis- remembering about an across the frame CZ ? Can we have the country of origin?

Spain

Blimey...Spanish Ducati flahed into my head but the more I think about that...cant be, can it?

Yeah, it's a Mototrans, the Spanish branch of Ducati, built in '67 and tried out by Bruno Spaggiari in practice of the Spanish GP in '67... tried out later again, but never made it to the starting grid...

You know, these bikes, where obviously a lot of effort was put in but nevertheless failed are my soft spot...

Ah yes, its all coming back to me now....

Now a easy one www? and no points for the guy in the suit this time...

Walter and Eddie Crooks, probably on the island, 59ish?

BTW Renn, the Sanish Ducati was an excellent brain teaser

After all, it took 6 min gross

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Russell Burrows
[B]http://www.motomoriniclub.nl/fast.html

Brilliantly designed and crafted, magnesium all over the place, so wonderully Italian......bello. I bet it handled and stopped beautifully and probably didn't loose out too much on grunt either. Morini, and the many other Italian makers with miniscule output, competing largely for the love of racing - how brilliant was that.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Russell Burrows
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Russell Burrows
[B]http://www.motomoriniclub.nl/fast.html

Brilliantly designed and crafted, magnesium all over the place, so wonderully Italian......bello. I bet it handled and stopped beautifully and probably didn't loose out too much on grunt either. Morini, and the many other Italian makers with miniscule output, competing largely for the love of racing - how brilliant was that. [/QUOTE]

Yes Russ , a lovely bit of kit , and I suppose you could bring the Spanish and Dutch into the ' love of racing' especially

....... Link (3 pages)

Grazie molto

Sì, alcuni di loro ....

Sorry Russ , I don't understand Lithuanian but yes , if you say so

Yeah, those translation thingys are crap...

Another Morini rider

Young Ago, San Remo 1962.

IIRC, he clinched the 250 Italian championship in '64 ahead of Provini, who had changed to Benelli

WWW

That's Provini on a '50 --IOM ?? '62??

Provini on a Kreidler in '64, no clue where...

IOM TT 1964, works rider for Kreidler that year.

Tarquinio had problems with the difficult gear shifting on the Kreidler (he was not alone in that), with two gearboxes, three gears by hand and four by foot.

So from start both boxes in first gear, then up by hand to 2nd and 3rd gear, then simultaneous by foot to 2nd and by hand back to first, and so on ..............

Hemeyla, did the later bikes also use the same system ? And did the later restrictions on the number of gears allowed apply to 50's

After 1965 Kreidler canceled racing, some of the machines where given to Dutch importer Van Veen which used them to the end of 1968.

In 1965 a new engine was build by the Kreidler factory for speed record attempts, with also two gearboxes, but with two by hand and six by foot gearchange.

The new F.I.M. regulations for 1969 allowed a maximum of six gears and one cylinder for the 50cc class.

These new regulations were made under pressure from the European constructors (Kreidler, Derbi,Tomos), Honda and Suzuki had already build 3 cylinder 50cc machines with 14 gears.

Thanks for that. What's you own view on the '69 restrictions ? Nowadays I'm generally a supporter of 'formulas' as I think giant manufacturers should not dominate etc..... But I can understand the dissapointment that must have been around after the '50 three' was, as it were, still born.......

From technical point of view racing with or without formula both has its own charm for me.

Remember the TT Assen 1968, Paul Lodewijkx with the home made Jamathi single cylinder fighting the whole race with Hans-Georg Anscheidt on the works Suzuki twin, wich Paul won.

The complicated engine from the Suzuki produced 18 hp at 17000 rpm when in good shape, but needed 14 gears to get the power on the circuit.

The 1969 formula brought much improvements for the single cylinder two-stroke engine, in 1970 power level and powerband were already a lot better then the twins ever had before.

But the sound from the twins was unbeatable, i will never forget the Honda twin's revving up to 22000 rpm.

That's a nice shot of Tarquinio gassing it out of Quarter Bridge? 1966? '68 on the photo???

It was 1965 Russell. Old elbows always had an all action style, Pasolini had a very simlar style head down sometimes leaning the bike but not the body. I watched him (Paso) in 1968 through the bends just before Glen Helen Hotel he used every inch of the road, so fast I thought he wouldn't make it round. I had my camera ready but never took the shot, I was looking where to run, scarey stuff!

The reason the picture was dated 1968. My mother posted it to him asking for his autograph! He wrote a short message, signed it and returned it.

John

Dave was in his first ride with the factory squad, having won the 1951 Senior Manx Grand Prix. He was the younger brother of Clive Bennett, whose amazing industry career included looking after Les Graham's Earles-forked works MV, and long periods at both Ariel, where he worked on the Leader and Arrow development projects, and at BSA, where Bert Hopwood appointed him chief development engineer right through to the Umberslade Hall days. Article on him in the August 1984 Classic Bike mag.

Went to Brands today for the first time since 1976. I found it a really enjoyable day; the atmosphere was so friendly, and the racing/parading was pretty good too. Anyone recognise the old racer on the left ?

Ken Inwood isn't it? Perhaps best known for his racing spares service, but he was very handy around the island in his day. Has a big collection of MGP replicas! (Manx Nortons and later a TZ, if memory serves). Any idea of his best result Russell?

It is Ken who was reliving races from forty years ago with great clarity - what a lovely bloke. When I mentioned TNF he said he wasn't into IT stuff but agreed I could post his picture as he imagined most people thought he was no longer with us. He's still operating his tyre and spares outfit Barry..... The database shows he got a fifth in the '72 Senior Manx , and as you say loads more. He was no mug on short circuits either, and one of his stories was about outgunning Dave Hughes' Arter 7R out of Clearways to pip him across the line.

Yes Russ , Ken is a first class guy .When I was with Tony Head in '82/3 Ken had an 'off' during TT practice ,resulting in a stay in Nobles . Well, Tony got to hear about it and dispatched yours truly to Nobles for a 'visit' for the loan of his 7 gal IOM tank for his tz .There was poor old Ken , arm or leg in plaster in bed ,after pleasantry's were exchanged he asked why I was there ' To borrow the tank ' I replied ' Oh thats ok and sent me round to his digs in Derby Square IIRC Yup a good 'un

Don't expect you can identify all of them, think I can id only one but not for sure...but team,where and when ?

Looks like the MV team Renn, midish fifties. Is that Ubialli on the bike to the left and mechanic Magni on the other? Location: Northern Europe! The bloke with the sulky demeanour on the extreme right looks a bit like Umberto Massetti? Hello - is the camion right hand drive.....?

Hi Russ, it's a shot of the German GP, held at the Schottenring in '53 and which was boycotted by most of the top teams... the circuit was regarded as too dangerous, even by the standards of the early fifties.
Only the 125 and 250 classes received worldchampionship points after all.
The pic shows the race winning 125 MV of Ubialli and the 350 MV on which Carlo Bandirola clinched the victory... I think it's Magni on that, too.
Quite a lot of mecs for these days...
Not so sure about Massetti, I think he wasn't a MV teamster before '55

Edit: do you have pics of yesterday's Bemsee meeting ?

I thought this was pretty impressive. I think it's the first one to have been made.

Then it's the genuine mount of Fritz Egli ? IIRC, there was also another Swiss chap in the early seventies on a Egli Vincent quite successful on Britsh circuits... Peier ?? something like that...

I think the claim is it's an Egli original... There no doubt about this one though - Francis Beart's Manx winning 7R, which is in pretty much as raced condition.

I can't recall the other Egli runner Renn.

Amazing, didn't know that Francis Beart was a AJS tuner as well, knew only about his Manx and Aermacchi bikes

re Vincent.



I think Fritz Peier had some impressive outings in UK...can anyone recall some details ??

Ding ! Fritz Peier, Swiss hillclimb champ and part-time circuit racer.

Well guys , I took this pic last October at Brands , and have found a listing for our friend F Peier for the Race of the South 5 Oct. 1969 --but unplaced , also another Egli-Vincent in the same race ridden by Birminghams P K ( Pete ?) Davies

The Vincent pictured is a much-travelled and raced example, I spotted it at Pukekohe in February of 2007. And I think Peter Darvill may have won the Junior Manx GP on a Beart 7R in the mid-sixties (a hunch)....

Wonder why Francis Beart applied a somehow Manx livery for petrol- and oil tank...some kind of reminiscence or something like that ??

Don't really know the answer to that one Renn.... It looks to be pretty stanard externally ( although non standard tank) . Would we be wandering into the realms of psyco babble to conjecture that the different paint job was designed to put the thought into the rider's subconcious head that he was on a much modified Beart bike ? Actually, I think it probably would

A '62 model - with mods of course.

Pretty sure this is a Godet-Egli-Vincent, it has a Godet sticker on the tank.
What this means?
Patrick Godet of France makes new replica Egli-Vincents with the blessing of Fritz W. Egli himself.
Maybe it's the first Godet-Egli-Vincent that has been made...?
He has been making them since the last 10 years or so.

I bet you check engine/frame number of every 7R you set eyes on to find your old baby, don't you